1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: The Michael Barry Show. 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if I ever told you, but I 3 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: was once on Nightline with Ted Copple. It was filmed 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 2: in Houston at Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church and I was 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: supposed to be on the panel, but at the last 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 2: minute I wasn't on the panel. And it was the 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: then mayor I was a mayor pro tem, Bill White, 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: and it was a Houston based show and Ted Copple 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: was very arrogant. Oh, I used to love the show. 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: I thought it was a really, really well done show, 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 2: and this was before hosts were as partisan and ideological 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 2: as they are. Although he ended up kind of revealing 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: that he was as well, but early on I didn't 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 2: detect it. Heck, I used to watch Chris Matthews Hardball 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: back in the day when he started, and I thought 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: he was pretty good. Even there it was a partisan hack. 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting. I read his book. But 18 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: of course they all and this is where the Death 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: of Media, they all skewed too far to the left. 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 3: Well. 21 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: I bring all that up for no particular reason except 22 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: as an introduction to the fact that in nineteen ninety 23 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: two Rush Limbaugh was for many years the sole voice 24 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 2: of conservatism, and much more so than say Bill Buckley. 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: Rush Limbaugh had an every man's audience. So when he 26 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: came on the scene, Buckley would speak in this received pronunciation, 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: very patriarchal, aristocratic voice, and I don't think you know, 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: it was very national review and there was a group 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: of people that liked that. But the average person, even 30 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: from his years at Firing Line, I don't think the 31 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: average person could identify with him because he was quite 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: patrician compared to people you know, well, you get the point. 33 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: But rush Limbaugh came on the scene and they wanted 34 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: him as the guest because he would say anything. He 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: was unafraid and fearless in what he said. So on 36 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: Nightline in nineteen ninety two, then Al Gore he would 37 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: be running as Bill Clinton's vice presidential running mate in 38 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: short order and l Rushbo rush limbough and they're going 39 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: to debate the kromet the climate crisis. And I got 40 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: to tell you, we love rush Limbaugh and we love 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: to honor him as much as possible. And I don't 42 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 2: have to give you any more introduction than that. Here 43 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 2: is rush Limbaugh debating Al Gore, and it ain't even 44 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: fair on Nightline in nineteen ninety two. 45 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: Enjoying in the studio now is Senator Al Gore of Tennessee, 46 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 3: who a new book is Earth in the Balance, Ecology 47 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: and the Human Spirit. And joining us from our New 48 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: York studio is Rush Limbaugh, who is syndicated radio show 49 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: is heard across the country. There is a Senator, goare 50 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: a growing feeling. I don't want to say it represents 51 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: anything approaching in majority yet, but a growing feeling that 52 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: sometimes the environmentalists are putting the spotted owl and the 53 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 3: snail there or ahead of human beings. 54 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 4: Well, I think you've got really two separate issues discussed 55 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 4: in your setup piece. 56 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: Ted. 57 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 4: There are local conflicts involving the use of public lands 58 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 4: and some laws that impinge on private property owners, and 59 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 4: there are some legitimate complaints, No doubt they're in the 60 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 4: tiny minority, but there are legitimate complaints. On the other hand, 61 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: we now face a global ecological crisis that is more 62 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 4: serious than anything human civilization has ever faced, and there's 63 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 4: a problem of scale here. To discuss the friction in 64 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 4: the passage and implementation of some of the laws on 65 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: the local environment, and to weigh at the same time 66 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 4: that against this unprecedented global crisis I think presents a 67 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 4: problem of scale. 68 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: You're talking now about the Holy Mio zone layer or 69 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: global warming or combination of the two. 70 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 4: Well, let me make it to the point this way. 71 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: When you talk about military matters, you talk about local conflicts, 72 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 4: regional theaters of action, and strategic conflicts. Same with the environment. 73 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 4: You've got local environmental problem, regional problems like acid rain. 74 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 4: Now we've got a whole new category of global or 75 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 4: strategic problems, which include the hole in the ozone layer 76 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 4: which now could appear above the United States, global climate change, 77 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 4: the destruction of the rainforest at a rate that means 78 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 4: they'll be totally gone in another few decades unless we 79 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: stop the pollution of the oceans and the atmosphere and 80 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 4: the like. These represent brand new challenges that call for 81 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 4: a new kind of response Russia. 82 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 3: I've listened to you many afternoons, as you know, and 83 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: you tend to I don't want to see you dismiss 84 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: all of these issues, but at least you dismiss them 85 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: as having been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. 86 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 5: Well, absolutely, I don't think that there's anything conclusive about 87 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 5: what Senator Gore said, with all due respect, I think, 88 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 5: for example, there is no ozone hole over the United States, 89 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 5: and if we want to get into the detailed discussion 90 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 5: of ozone depletion, we can. But I think ted that 91 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 5: there is not a crisis. This is the problem I have. 92 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 5: I don't think the Earth is fragile. I don't think 93 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 5: the ecology is fragilely balanced. And I think that the 94 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 5: Doom's day industry that is typified by members of the 95 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 5: Hollywood acting community, who say we've only got ten years 96 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 5: left to save our planet. We've got to act now. 97 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 5: There's no way if what these people say is true, 98 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 5: that we could solve these problems in ten years. Anyway, 99 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 5: it's budget time in Washington. NASA's being cut, and I 100 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 5: think that this fright and the doom scenario is designed 101 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 5: to frighten people. Everything in this country today seems to 102 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 5: be a crisis. We can't do anything without it being 103 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 5: having to face it as a crisis. We don't have 104 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 5: any time to think about it. There are as many scientists, 105 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 5: maybe even more, on the opposite side of all of 106 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 5: these Doom's Day predictions, and I think that they need 107 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 5: to listen to it. Ye Oh yes, there are. 108 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 4: That's not true. If I could jump in there, Ted 109 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 4: Russ did identify, I think the key point of disagreement 110 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: early in his first response, and that is the question 111 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 4: of whether or not the Earth is fragile. Are we 112 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 4: as human beings now capable of doing serious damage to 113 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 4: the global environment. That's really the key difference. Do you 114 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 4: think we are between the yes? I think so. I 115 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 4: think for three reasons, Russ. I think. I think three 116 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 4: things have changed in our lifetimes. Incidentally. Number one, the 117 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 4: population explosion now adds the entire population of China every 118 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 4: ten years. Number Two, we've got new technologies we never 119 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 4: had before, like chlora flora carbons, which magnify our impact 120 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 4: on the Earth. Just as nuclear weapons transformed warfare. These 121 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 4: thousands of new technologies that magnify our ability to exploit 122 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 4: the earth change our relationship to the Earth. 123 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 3: Let me just let me just interrupt for a moment. 124 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: If I'm made a senator, because you know, what I 125 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: know confuses certainly a lot of people who will listen 126 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 3: to Russia's program every yetternoon is that he will state 127 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 3: as a matter of fact that there is in the 128 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 3: disagreement within the scientific communities now then they will be 129 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: disagreement within the scientific community, but you seem to stay 130 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: just as forcefully that there is, if not unanimity, that 131 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: certainly the preponderance of scientific opinion is in agreement that 132 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: these things are a massive danger. 133 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: There's there's no question about that. Let me compare it 134 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 4: to this situation. You can find today some scientists who 135 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 4: work for tobacco companies who will claim with a straight 136 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 4: face that there is no proven link between smoking and 137 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 4: lung cancer. And if you look closely at the scientific data, 138 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: you have to admit that there are uncertainties. We don't 139 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,119 Speaker 4: know exactly how smoking causes lung cancer. But the weight 140 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 4: of the evidence accepted by the overwhelming preponderance of scientists 141 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: is yes, smoking does cause lung cancer, and so we 142 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 4: act on that knowledge from the scientific community, even though 143 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 4: there are some remaining uncertainty where the ozone hole is concerned. 144 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 4: For example, the linkage between the chemicals flora flora carbon 145 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 4: and the ozone hall is established. There may be one 146 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 4: hundredth of one percent of the scientific community that disputes it. 147 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, it's far more than that. Responsible works. 148 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: Let's if we can. We're going to take a break rush. 149 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: When we come back, I'll give you a chance to respect. 150 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: We'll continue our discussion in just a moment. Careers are 151 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: knowing how to fake it on an issue. I don't 152 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: know of anyone up on Capitol Hill who is more 153 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: knowledgeable on the subject of the environment than Al Gore. 154 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: You have to take seriously what he said. 155 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 5: Oh look, I don't mean any disrespect to Senator Gore. 156 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 5: I think that Senator Gore is a well intentioned man 157 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 5: and only he's doing what he thinks best. And I 158 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 5: think that the vast majority of people concerned about the 159 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 5: environment will fall into that camp. But I think ted 160 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 5: that the environmental movements, as fueled by the militants who 161 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 5: lead it, I think is the new home of socialism. 162 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 5: I think it is they've adopted a constituency here which 163 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 5: can't speak that is, trees and rocks and so forth, 164 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 5: and can't reject the so called help and concern. Learn 165 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 5: that the advocates are giving it, and it gives them 166 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 5: a stage from which to constantly launch at tax at capitalism. 167 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 5: If you listen to what Senator Gore said, it is 168 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 5: man made products which are causing the ozone depletion. Yet 169 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 5: Mount Pinitubo has put five hundred and seventy times the 170 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 5: amount of chlorine into the atmosphere in one eruption than 171 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 5: all of man made chlorofluorocarbons in one year. And the 172 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 5: ultraviolet radiation measured on this country's surface since nineteen seventy 173 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 5: four has shown no increase whatsoever. And if there's ozone 174 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 5: depletion going on, you're going to have UV radiation levels 175 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 5: going away. They simply aren't. The Sun makes ozone, and 176 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 5: there is an ozone hole in the Antarctic Circle in 177 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 5: the Arctic Circle simply because the sun's below the horizon 178 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 5: for a portion of the year. This is not a 179 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 5: big mystery, and there are people who will tell you that, 180 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 5: such as Dixie Lee Ray, the former president of the 181 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 5: Atomic Energy Commission, governor of the State of Washington, and 182 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 5: a respected scientists. And she has her own book out 183 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 5: called Trashing the Planet, which debunks a number of these myths. 184 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 5: I've talked to her about it. 185 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 3: Let us give a Senatorgora a chance to respond. 186 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 4: Thanks. I'd like to respond on two points to First 187 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 4: of all, on a technical point, volcanoes put chlorine in 188 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,239 Speaker 4: the atmosphere, but at a very low altitude Mount Pinatubo 189 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 4: has had an effect on the depletion of ozone. But 190 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 4: because the particulates go up so high now in the 191 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 4: presence of the chlorofluorocarbons and other chemicals like bromine, they 192 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 4: accelerate the depletion that is going on. But I wanted 193 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 4: to get back to a more important point again a 194 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 4: matter of philosophy. I think ted that Rush sincerely believes 195 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 4: that the global environmental crisis is kind of hyped, and 196 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 4: it's a fiction hyped by some people who are using 197 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 4: it as an excuse to expand the role of government 198 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 4: or the state. But let me respond because I think 199 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 4: it's ironic Rush that most environmentalists who have really studied 200 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 4: these global issues point the finger or of blame at 201 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 4: centralized government power as much as it anything else. The 202 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 4: worst problems have been caused by communist nations where the 203 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 4: power of government is strongest, like in Eastern Europe. 204 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 5: Senator, You're absolutely right, but you're one of the few 205 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 5: voices saying that most of the fingers of blame are 206 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 5: pointed at US. Business are pointed at evil corporate America, 207 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 5: which doesn't care about the environment of the United states well. 208 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 4: I argue that that both capitalism and democracy and individual 209 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 4: freedom have to be expanded around the world as preconditions 210 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 4: and prerequisites for solving the global ecological. 211 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 5: Wings are we agree soltly. 212 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 4: Some businesses are now beginning to see the light and 213 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 4: recognize that there's a huge market worldwide opening up for 214 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 4: the new ecologically responsible products and processes. That's why that 215 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 4: we don't. 216 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 5: Do it by shutting them down. The Senator see one of. 217 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: Them, milions, trying to shut them. 218 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 5: Well, but you may not be But there are those 219 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 5: who want to shut down business, who want to blame 220 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 5: American business for the problems that we have, and they 221 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 5: want to go back to the Stone Age and preserve 222 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 5: everything as it is now for the rest of time. 223 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 5: And I don't think that's worked with. You may not 224 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,479 Speaker 5: prescribe to this, and I would suggest. 225 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: That that maybe you. 226 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 5: I don't want to impune or insult you, But as 227 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 5: I said, I think your intentions are honorable and uh 228 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 5: and and full board. But I think you may not 229 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 5: be aware of just some of the hideous leadership that 230 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 5: we don't even know the names of these people. I mean, 231 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 5: we're not publican let. 232 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 4: Me let me ask you this rush. Why do you 233 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 4: think Japanese businesses the key Dan Wren, who who is 234 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 4: that big Japanese business organization? Why do you think they 235 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 4: have set much tougher environmental standards for Japanese corporations than 236 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 4: are established in US law. 237 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 5: I don't know that they have. 238 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 4: I don't think there's on competition, but I think the 239 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 4: reason is twofold number one. They see this new market 240 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 4: opening up. Sure number two, they discovered that waste in 241 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 4: the form of pollution is also economic waste, and when 242 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 4: they pay careful attention to eliminating the inefficiencies and the 243 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 4: wasteful process, their profits go up. And American companies that 244 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 4: has sincerely undertaken the effort to be responsible towards the 245 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 4: environment are discovering the same. 246 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 5: Senator, I don't disagree with that at all in any way, 247 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 5: shape matter form, But you must understand that there are 248 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 5: those who seek to blame American business for causing these problems. 249 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 5: This movement that was highlighted in the setup package for 250 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 5: the show tonight. There clearly is a movement on to 251 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 5: take as much land back from private ownership as possible 252 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 5: and give it back to the government so that it's 253 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 5: off limits for private property ownership, and that, as you know, 254 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 5: is fundamental to the American way of life. And I 255 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 5: consider it an assault on the American way of life. 256 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 5: And I got set up Peace was brilliantly put together. 257 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 5: And it's about time that kind of thing was exposed 258 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 5: because the other side, quite frankly, has had its way 259 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 5: with a willing media. 260 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 3: Well, actually, you've just confirmed my worst fears because I 261 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: saw I'll go a wincing throughout the setup Peace. So well, 262 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, gentlemen. We're down to about our 263 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: last forty five seconds. So a closing thought then from you, 264 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 3: Senator Goo, just heard from USh Limbo. 265 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 4: Well, there's a classic experiment in science ted about a 266 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 4: frog that's dropped in a pot of boiling water and 267 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 4: jumps right out. When the same frog is put in. 268 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 5: A pot of lukewarm water. 269 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 4: That's slowly brought to a boil, it just sits there 270 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 4: until it's rescued. A frog's nervous system needs a sudden 271 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 4: jolt to get the connection. We're like that frog. We're 272 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: getting the signals of an ecological devastation around the world, 273 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 4: but we're still dead in the water. The Ozone hole 274 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 4: is threatening to open up above North America, above ken 275 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 4: A Bunkport. And still we're not reacting. But the American 276 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 4: people want to see us take this problem seriously and 277 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 4: do something about it. 278 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: All right, Senator Gore, thank you very much. Russia'll have 279 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: three hours tomorrow afternoon to respond. They no, I was 280 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: on depletion. 281 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 5: There's no crisis. 282 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 3: Thanks Ted, Okayeah, thank you both. Good of you to 283 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 3: join us. 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