1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: We do have Alex Stone here though, because we spent 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: a lot of time last hour talking about the great 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Chinese airship, the balloon carrying that payload of spy equipment 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: all the way from Alaska to North Carolina before it 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: was finally shot down. And Alex has the latest from 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: ABC News. I will be your ken for you. Okay, 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: you can got two headed monster there you go, hold 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: my hand. Well, I'll be your cat. So yeah, we 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: got a briefing today from the head of NORAD, the 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: commander of nora AD, General Glenn Vanhirk, and he laid 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: a lot of this out and I know you've been 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: talking about it, but they're trying to collect the debris 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: right now. Relatively shallow water about six miles off the 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: coast of South Carolina, only about forty seven feet deep, 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: so pretty easy for divers to get down there and 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: get to it if if it's still intact. The FBI 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: is on board the boats in that area. The weather 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: was bad yesterday, they've been in the water today. The 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: FBI in charge of counterintelligence. They're going to collect pieces 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: of it, send it to Quantico, try to put together 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: the counter intelligence part of it of what was China 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: doing and what did they have on board. But he 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: did get into a lot of details with us, including 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: why Nora D didn't order it to be shot down 25 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: when it was seen entering over the Aleutian Islands and 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: into Alaska. And this is what he told us a 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: little while ago. It was my assessment that this balloon 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: did not present a physical military threat to North America. 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: This is under my NORAD had and therefore I could 30 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: not take immediate action because it was not demonstrating hostile 31 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: act or hostile and ten. Now the way he described 32 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: it to us, he said they determined that China could 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: not get much from the balloon and that we could 34 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: learn more from exploiting the balloon and learning what they 35 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: had on board than they could get from flying over. 36 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: He also talked about that we took actions. He wouldn't 37 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: answer the question if we jammed their signal, but that 38 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: we took actions to make sure they couldn't get anything 39 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: from the balloon or getting much out of it. That 40 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: they felt like what we could learn because other balloons 41 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: we haven't been able to spend this much time with, 42 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: or get this close to, or knew about them in 43 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: real time, that they could we could fly close to them, 44 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: use the technology to see close to it, to see 45 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: what China was putting on these balloons, and spend a 46 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: few days with it. This is his way of explaining 47 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: the reason why it took so long, and he says 48 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: that that we did get counterintelligence out of it while 49 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: it was flying over the US, something they says, nor 50 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: ED doesn't typically have the ability to do day to day. 51 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: We do not have the authority to collect intelligence within 52 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: the United States for AMERICT. In this case, specific authorities 53 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: were granted to collect intelligence against the balloons specifically, and 54 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: we utilize specific capabilities to do that. He told us 55 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: a payload on the bottom was about the size of 56 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: a jet airliner, a small jet airliner weighing a few 57 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: thousand pounds. They had worries, he said, about once it 58 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: was in the continental US about glass from the solar panels. 59 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: He said, think of glass the size of a jet 60 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: airliner blown apart and coming raining down and hasmat on board. 61 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: He said. They also thought China may have equipped and 62 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: we still don't know if they did, with explosives on 63 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: board to destroy it like we would if we had 64 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: something that was spy equipment and trying to get rid 65 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: of it before the enemy got their hands on it. 66 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: That they thought there may have been explosives on board. 67 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: And one other thing John the two f twenty two 68 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: is that they used to take it down where Frank 69 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: zero one and Luke zero one. Frank zero one was 70 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: the one that used a live warhead the sidewinder missile 71 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: that took it down. But he explained it was symbolic 72 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: and why they did Frank and Luke as the call signs. 73 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: He said that it was in honor of somebody who 74 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: did a lot of Frank Luke Medal of Honor winner 75 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: World War One for his activities that he conducted its 76 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: observation balloom. So how fitting is it that Frank zero 77 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: one took down this balloon in sovereign airspace of the 78 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 1: Unined States of America within territorial water. But he says 79 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: the goal now is to get those pieces out of 80 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: the water, exploit them, and in every way we possibly 81 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: can figure out what China has been doing with these 82 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: balloons around the world. We know there was one in 83 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: South America around the same time, and he says that 84 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: that they want to figure these out and what they're 85 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: all about. If they were concerned that there might be 86 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: explosives on board. Was there any worry that those explosives 87 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: could be used in an attack against a townshing it 88 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: into didn't worried about that that they're they're concerned, and 89 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: I think that they could see some of what was 90 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: on board. You know that it wasn't anything major would 91 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: have been to destroy the balloon and the payload underneath, 92 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: not to there was no maneuverability. It didn't look like 93 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: to drop and then explode down on the ground to 94 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: hit a certain area. Plus the fact it sounds like 95 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: and this is only you know, the kind of indications 96 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: we're getting that the signals were jammed and they Chinese 97 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: may not have had a lot of control over it 98 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: once action was taken from the US side, But I mean, 99 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: maybe that was a possibility. He didn't indicate any of 100 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: that today. So did he talk about what he thought 101 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: the purpose of the Chinese experiment was to see if 102 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: we could block them and jam them. They believe that 103 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: and this is apparently these balloons. And he did, by 104 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: the way, talk about the previous balloons, and we've known 105 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: about the ones that were off of Hawaii and other places, 106 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: but these other ones that had become controversial in the 107 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: last couple of days that this is a surveillance means 108 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: that that China is doing right now sending these balloons 109 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: manufactured by a Chinese company to the US to try 110 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: to get intelligence on what's going on in other areas 111 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: of the world on the previous balloons, which this is 112 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: now a big political point that you know, the Biden 113 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: administration kind of dangled out there last week that there 114 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: had been other balloons under during the Trump administration, and 115 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: the Trump former Trump administration officials said bull there was 116 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: nothing that went on, there were no balloons, and they 117 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: can continue to stand by that today. The general today 118 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: who became commander of NORAD under precedent Trump, said there 119 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: were in fact balloons during the Trump administration, but NORAD 120 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: never detected them and they didn't know about them until 121 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: not that long ago when the intelligence community informed them 122 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: that they had intelligence and there had been balloons. But 123 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: he put it this way, I mean, essentially, the US 124 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: failed to detect that there were balloons that flew over 125 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: parts of the United States in previous years. It's my 126 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: responsible to responsibility to detect threats to North America. I 127 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: will tell you that we did not detect those threats 128 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: and that's a domain awareness gap that we have to 129 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: figure out. But I don't want to go into further detail. 130 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: The community after the fact, I believe it has been 131 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: briefed already assessed those threats to additional means of collection 132 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: from additional means and made us aware of those balloons 133 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: that were previously approaching North America or transited North America. 134 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: So according to the commander of Norad, there have been 135 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: Chinese balloons that have either approached or gone over or 136 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: I should say and gone over America and we never 137 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: knew about it. North America never knew about it in 138 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: that time, in real time. So maybe China believed in 139 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: this one. Hey, those were never detected. This one will 140 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: never be detected. But he says, a domain awareness gap, 141 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: you know, essentially the failure in that moment when the 142 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: balloon was going over parts of the US and we 143 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: never knew about it. All right, thank you very much, Alex, 144 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: appreciate it. You gotta thanks, guys, Alex done ABC News 145 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: for kimain awareness gap. Yeah, it's a dag domain awareness 146 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: gap that means we don't know what the hell is 147 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: going on out there. That's what that means. They can 148 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: fly pretty high, these balloons, so I guess sometimes they 149 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: don't get picked up stud feet. I've heard one hundred 150 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 1: thousand feet. They can go up to so one news 151 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: What balloons would be on the radar this year? What 152 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: could they what could they carry that could really do 153 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: us damage? Look, I read a lot about this over 154 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: the weekend. I think this is just and I guess 155 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: the term they're using it a trial balloon, you'll like 156 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: the one they want to see what they can get 157 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: away with. They've probably been doing this for years. So 158 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: we didn't detect three during the Trump administration, and that 159 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: goes back and there might be seven years. There's probably 160 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: stuff we never detected. These were those were detected and 161 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: never publicize. But what about who knows what they collected 162 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: from us? And who else is doing this too? Russian balloons, 163 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: Well it's got to be Russian balloons, right, Armenian balloons, 164 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: the Iranian balloons, Yeah, it could be all over the place. 165 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: I well, now we have a new balloon awareness then, right, 166 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: we're closing the domain awareness gap gap. Right, so now 167 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: we'll billy be on the lookout for these things. So 168 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: are they ever going to tell us what they find 169 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: now that they're gonna they're sorting. You know, I keep 170 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: that secret from us too. These these generals are these spokesholes. 171 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: They declare very confidently what it wasn't, what it wasn't. 172 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: But are they telling the truth? Are they shoveling a 173 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: horsepool at us? It's for your own good? Yeah, I 174 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: don't really belie. We don't want you to panic. Yeah, 175 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: I know domain awareness gap. Wow, that's in the Euphemism 176 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. First ballot. Uh oh. John Bolton has 177 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: already spoken up. Remember him? Yeah, he was Trump's former 178 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: national security advisor. Really did they go into a time 179 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: machine and find a detection because during the Trump administration, 180 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: we never were aware of any balloons out there. Okay, 181 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: so we're their balloons coming in and they were afraid 182 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: to tell Trump because they feared he would fire nuclear 183 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: missiles at Beijing. Oh that's possible. Yeah, you're right, he 184 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: would overreact. Yeah, nothing would surprise me. All Right, we 185 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: got more coming up, John and Ken caf I am 186 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: six forty live everywhere the iHeartRadio app. Did you watch 187 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: them shoot down the balloon live? Not? I miss that. 188 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: I've been in on the story, but not really watching 189 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: it on TV. We were traveling all day driving to 190 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: San Francisco and is really boring going up the Interstate five. 191 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: So I was following it on my iPad and listening 192 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: to the TV and audio coverage. But when I got 193 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: to the hotel room, then I looked up and they said, oh, 194 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: it just had gotten shot down twenty minutes ago. So 195 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: I got to see the instant replace. Though very exciting. Okay, 196 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: yes it was, well, you know, it filled in a 197 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: lot of dead time during the drive. Yeah. Like I said, 198 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: I think it was a psychological warfare. They really wanted 199 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: to just mess with us mentally to by sending some 200 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: things over and seeing you know, I mean one or 201 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: two things that happened. We could have just not reported 202 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: it to the public or anybody and just shot it down. 203 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: The Chinese would have been like, all right, well they 204 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: noticed it, or they probably liked this better. It's created 205 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: a real public firestorm, right I'm, I'm. If you don't 206 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: know what's in it, then why would you let it 207 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: float over our airspace? I mean you can't be sure 208 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: what's in it or what the reason for this is. 209 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: I find that the first time. So how come Biden 210 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: wasn't told till Wednesday? Is does he nap that long? 211 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: This thing was floating over Alaska a week ago Saturday? Yeah, 212 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: I know, I read that they picked it up of 213 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: that early. And they claim the balloon during the Trump 214 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: administration nobody told Trump. Is this the new procedure presidents 215 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: are not informed when we have foreign countries sending strange aircraft? Well, 216 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: the only presidents like Trump and Biden, one will overreact, 217 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: the other one won't understand. So I just stare and 218 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: my I just I just mistrust everybody involved in this. 219 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: I think there must be a lot of cover your 220 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: ass going on, because this is this can be perceived. 221 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: Is quite embarrassing that it happened, and it actually floated 222 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: from Alaska to North Carolina, and that nobody in the 223 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: upper levels of government at least knew about it, and 224 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: the public never knew about it. I mean, that just 225 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't seem like that's how you run things. 226 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: Of course, the other big story is that earthquake that 227 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: struck Turkey seven point eight, another one at seven point five. 228 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: It also hits Syria, not getting as much coverage about Syria, 229 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: but of course the Alsagundo Times rans story runs the 230 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: story that Debra Mark's looking for what would it do 231 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: to southern California. We got hit with a seven point eight, 232 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: and as you can guess, it would be very disruptive. 233 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: I don't think we'd have as many deaths because there 234 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: is some retro fitting in better construction here. I don't 235 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: think there was a lot of retro fitting in Turkey. No. 236 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: Did you see the video of some of the buildings 237 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: just coming down just like rubble, Yeah, swaying, and then 238 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: people running in the streets. They look like mostly dirt 239 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: roads that were running in, but they were pretty wild scenes. 240 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: They think that this is all estimates. Eighteen hundred people 241 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: might die if we had an earthquake like that, with 242 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: Los Angeles County having the worst of it. We're talking 243 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: about of course San Andreas, fifty thousand injured. Freeways would 244 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: be busted up from Las Vegas, three Ways to Vegas 245 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: and Phoenix, possibly up to a million people no homes. Well, 246 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: that's supposed to definitely happen one day, right, Yes, a 247 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: seven eight that's well within oh yeah, prediction, and it 248 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: has to happen because that fault is so huge. One 249 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: day the pressure will will blow. Ye, gas power sell 250 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: service probably would be a severely out. Yeah. And the 251 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: last time we had an a seismic event like this, 252 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: of course, was in the nineteen oh six San Francisco 253 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: earthquake that was seven point eight. Everybody talks about north 254 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: Ridge because that happened down here, but that was six 255 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: point seven. You think about a six point seven and 256 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: then you jump to what happened in Turkey. Difference is humongous. 257 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: It's it's even hard to a seven point eight is 258 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: so much greater than a six point seven, because some 259 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: people mistakenly think, oh, yeah, it's just one point a 260 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: six to seven. No, I forgot what the ratio. Yeah, 261 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: there there's a ratio, but it's many times higher. You 262 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: go from a six to seven. Not to mention all 263 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: the people that will die of heart attacks during an 264 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: earthquake of that magnitude in LA I would probably be 265 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: one of them. Oh you're gonna have an overload. I 266 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't survive. I wouldn't be here to talk about it. 267 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: I'd be flipping out any minute it could happen. I know, 268 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: I know, like I said many times, if it's gonna happen, 269 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: I hope it happens while we're on the air so 270 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: we can hear this. You won't even hear anything. I 271 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: would be die. I don't know why you would bolt 272 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: to I would go underneath this table here now, Oh yeah, 273 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: that table's gonna stop. Well, what else am I gonna do? 274 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna run out. I mean, if this building goes down, 275 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: the table's going down with it. Probably. Yeah. What I 276 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: heard people say too about the Turkey quake is that 277 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: he went on for like five to ten minutes. Can 278 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: you imagine that we just have these little shocks that 279 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: go through here, but imagine going through five minutes of 280 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: that shaking, that really shaking. Well, here's the math on it. 281 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: A magnitude seven earthquake like seven point zero produces thirty 282 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: two times more energy, thirty two times stronger than a 283 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: magnitude six. Now a magnitude eight is a thousand times 284 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: stronger than a magnitude six. Wow, So there's a whole 285 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: multiplication that goes on, right, Deborah, Yeah, I know, I 286 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,359 Speaker 1: wish there was sub way that we could prevent earthquakes. 287 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I know that's that's wishful thinking, I know, 288 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: but I just I just wish my life would be 289 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: so much happier if I knew that there were there 290 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: were no earthquakes, you'd have to go to a different planet. 291 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: This is how the planet's construe. I tell you, I 292 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: spend way too much time worrying about this. It's oh God, 293 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: the other thing that it makes me this morning. Sometimes 294 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: I think the world is upside down. I have a 295 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: brother that lives in Buffalo. They got an earthquake. They 296 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: got a three point three this morning at six fifteen 297 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: or three point eight this morning at six fifteen am. 298 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: Is that related to the Turkish earthquake? Well, it's funny 299 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: that you said that. We're all the false connected underneath. 300 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: Yahoo just put up a story. Is the Turkey earthquake 301 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: related to the one in Buffalo and Ontario? The timing 302 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: isn't right, says a seismologist. So I don't know. The 303 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: Turkey earthquake was felt in Greenland, which I didn't think 304 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: was possible. Well, if it's the other side of the earth, 305 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: could that happen? I don't know. You know, we're your 306 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: kid that joke or you can dig through and find 307 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: your way to China. Oh yeah, I believe that as 308 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: a kid if you if you dug through Buffalo, would 309 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: you find your way in Turkey? Did you pop up? 310 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: And could you tell the difference? So the earth stuck? 311 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, My brother sent me a video from Twitter 312 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: and it was it was some guy who must had 313 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: a camera set up and you just felt the noise. 314 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: It was a real well we're very familiar with it here, 315 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: but it was a real shocking and a lot of 316 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: people there were really not They were totally confused. What 317 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: was that? They were asking. The dogs started barking in 318 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: the videos what it was. You're also living in a 319 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: part of the world where you know, there are a 320 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: lot of bad countries nearby, so the idea that you're 321 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: getting bombed, yes, is possible too. It's not a great neighborhood. 322 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: There are faults all over the country. It's just the 323 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: California faults or Alaska actually is to state with the 324 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: most most earthquakes, but they're the more active ones. But 325 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 1: there are faults all over the country. And this just 326 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: one happened to pop this morning. All right, we got 327 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: more coming up, John and Ken KF I am six 328 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: forty live everywhere the iHeart Radio app. Just one more earthquake. 329 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: Note the largest earthquake that could hit southern California on 330 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: the Sandy Dreas faults. They estimate eight point two. That 331 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: would be one hundred and seventy eight times stronger than 332 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: the Northridge quake. So take take that Northridge quake and 333 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: multiply that by one hundred and seventy eight. She'll be 334 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: up all night. You know, I am already. I'm exhausted. 335 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: I was looking forward to sleeping tonight. There's no where 336 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: could happen any minute. Do you know they come in 337 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: threes or something like that? Right, everybody? You guys are 338 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: not going to enjoy that either, if there's an eight 339 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: point whatever. I mean, seriously, it's not just going to 340 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: be men going to help A I was gonna say, 341 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: should we can we? Well, you'd be surprised what I 342 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: enjoy he does? You know? From times you just ride 343 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: with it? Who would enjoy an earthquake of that magnitude? 344 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. Aren't you a little curious though? What 345 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: that would feel like? No? No, no, And the aftermath. 346 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about no power for probably months. 347 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: If we survive, and it means my phone won't ring. 348 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: I already have like motion sickness. I wouldn't want that. 349 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: No coming up after three o'clock. As Todd Spitzer put 350 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: at the Orange County DA, an innocent man is dead 351 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: because he took a bike ride to enjoy a beautiful 352 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: California day along the beach. He was hit with a 353 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: car and stabbed to death by someone he apparently never met. 354 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: The murder of a complete stranger in broad daylight for 355 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: what appears to be absolutely no reason is the stuff 356 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: of nightmares. Our guest next hour is a man who 357 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: wants to remain I think it's a man, am I right, 358 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: who wants to remain anonymous. But he did witness the 359 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: entire incident, so he says they have arrested Van Roy 360 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: Evans Smith of Long Beach for the murder of doctor 361 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: Michael John Mamone. This happened last Wednesday in Dana Point. 362 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: So we'll get to our guest and talk about what 363 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: he saw and heard. The herd part could be important 364 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: because there are some things being thrown out there about 365 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: exactly what the man behind the wheel of the car 366 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: may have said after he got out and stabbed the 367 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: bicyclist to death. Last Friday. We threw a hack in 368 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: the dumpster. Didn't we go? Do you know he's in 369 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: the news already. Hugo Soto Martinez, who's this new socialist 370 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: councilman here in Los ange placed to Mitchell Farrell and 371 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: we talked about Eco Park Lake and he says, we're 372 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: taking the fence down at Echo Park Lake. He wants 373 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: he wants to bring the homeless back and take them 374 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: back to their rightful home, Echo Park Lake. Now, not surprisingly, 375 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: he's part of the Democrats Socialists of America, and he 376 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: does not believe in policing. In fact, this story calls 377 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: him one of the most prominent police abolitionists. Right, so 378 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: we're like abolishing slavery, We're beyond defunding. This whack job 379 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: wants to eliminate the police. He thinks Los Angeles will 380 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: be a better place if there are no police. Actually 381 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: got elected, That's just what the hell is going on 382 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: in that district. A guy runs out abolishing the police department. Wow. 383 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: So apparently recently a police officer a LAPD actually took 384 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: a screenshot of his computer where a radio call popped 385 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: up and apparently somebody was asking for an extra patrol 386 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: throughout the night to protect a white Lexus that was 387 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: parked at the office of Hugo Soto Martinez. So you 388 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 1: can imagine the officers and the union's response to this. 389 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: Oh all right, so they want protection now from the 390 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: police that they want to abolish. But to get the 391 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: story straight, it was not Sodo Martinez is Lexus. It's 392 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: one that would that would have been the big gut 393 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: if it was his car. One of his staffers though, 394 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: one of one of his staffers, one of his true believers. 395 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: We don't have a name for the staff or Dowey, 396 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: Oh yes we do. Dave have a name, David may 397 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: m Ai. He's the owner of the Lexus. He works 398 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: for for Hugo Soto Martinez, and he actually wanted a 399 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: patrol car to drive by periodically through the night because 400 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: his Lexus was broken down and he didn't want anything 401 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: bad to happen to it. So mister abolished, the police 402 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: has a staffer who's calling the police for private security. Police, 403 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: don't do that. My car's broken down in front of 404 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: my office. Would you go check on it every hour 405 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: or so? So Nick Barnes Batista, communications deputy for Sodo Martinez, 406 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: issued a statement, it's come to our attention that a 407 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: deputy staff or had some contact with the LAPD regarding 408 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: his personal vehicle. We're investigating this matter internally. We'll be 409 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: taking appropriate action. Council Member Sodo Martinez is very upset 410 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: if this does not reflect the values of transparency, valusible 411 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: governance and being accountable to the community that elected it. Oh, 412 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: is that the violation violates the transparency value. I don't 413 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: even want That means how about the big stink and 414 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: hypocrite value. You guys are fakes and phonies. This crowd. 415 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: They're such phonies because what we always said is if 416 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: they're the victim of a crime, or they fear they're 417 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: going to be the victim of a crime, the first 418 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: thing they'll do is call nine one one and ask 419 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: for the police. Of course they do. How many times 420 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: have we heard about legislators around the country who've been 421 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: yelping about to fund the police, and then when they're 422 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: some trouble, turns out they want the police to provide 423 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: private security. That that story was around numerous times in 424 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: the past three years, ever since the stupid defund the 425 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: police insanity started, which, by the way, vast majorities of whites, 426 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: blacks and everybody else reject god Lapd, Sargeant Jurrettas and 427 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: Dawes refers to Sodo Martinez as mister defund the police. 428 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: He says, you also don't do that. We don't send 429 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: units to protect somebody's car from possible theft. Yeah, why 430 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: don't you try to request to This must be a 431 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: very young person that just this David Nay. I don't know. 432 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: I think I knew when I was a little kid 433 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: that the police aren't going to come around and give 434 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: you private protection twenty four hours a day. It's not 435 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: his youth. He's a stupid hypocrite as what he is, 436 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: this David May. And he's not even looking for protection 437 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: for himself. He's looking for his car to be because 438 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: he couldn't move it. I have this really cool white 439 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: Lexus and it's broken down now and I'm afraid bad 440 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: guys my damage it or they might steal it. Do 441 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: you think you guys could come and just could one 442 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: of you maybe just live in it for the night 443 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: and protect it. Do you think David May's looking for 444 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: another job today or is it too embarrassing to keep 445 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: him around? Well? This, yeah, I suppose called the police 446 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: to what protect your car, except you know a lot 447 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: we're about here. If Hugo Soda Martinez was threatened in 448 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: some way, he would too. I don't know if he's 449 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: got a family or a wife or whatever, but if 450 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: any of them felt in danger, he would call the police. 451 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: These guys are phony. They have a stick that they 452 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: sell to the stupid out there. Anybody with more than 453 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: a fifty IQ knows you need a police department. I 454 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: don't write the the survival instinct would kick in and 455 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: you would ask for help. Right, what are you gonna do? 456 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: H called social worker. I don't understand this. This is 457 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: like saying you want to abolish oxygen, no more water. 458 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: It's it's just absurd, and Hugo Soda Martinez is like 459 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: the boob of the year. Inside one week. He wants 460 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: to ring hundreds of homeless back to Echo Park Lake, 461 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: and he also or is it Echo Lake Park? I 462 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: always get him confused. It's Echo Park Lake. He wants 463 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: to bring hundreds of homeless back, vagrants, bums, riff raff 464 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: to the lake. And at the same time, his stupid 465 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: staffer is calling for really calling for Daddy to come 466 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: help because his car broke down the Easy Way to 467 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: remember is there was a neighborhood in Los Angeles called 468 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: Echo Park, right, and then there's a lake, so it's 469 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: Echo Park Lake. So it's the lake and Echo Park exactly. 470 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: I can't get that straight, and I don't know why. 471 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: Now I remember you last year you were saying the 472 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: same thing, Echo Lake Park. No, no, no, the lake 473 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: isn't called Echo Lake, but it's called Echo Park Lake. Well, 474 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: you could have a park around a lake. Yeah you can't, 475 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: but it starts with the neighborhood name, and then it's 476 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: not Echo Park Lake Park, is it. Well that's a 477 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: good one. It could be almost scrambled up all. I'd 478 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: stay with us for our guest after three o'clock who 479 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: said they witnessed this horrible crash between a car and 480 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: a bicycle in Orange County and then the car driver 481 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: gets out and stabs the bicyclist to death, who turns 482 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: out to be an er doctor John and Ken caf 483 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: I AM six forty Live everywhere the iHeartRadio App. We're 484 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: now on from one to four, So pick up the 485 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: show if you can't listen live at the podcast cafiam 486 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: sixty dot com, or of course, the iHeartRadio app. Give 487 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: another shot of money too. Another keyword is coming your 488 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: way in about thirty minutes on the John and Ken Show, 489 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: and our guest next hour, kicking right off the hour 490 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: is Sam. We're going to call him and he was 491 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: there at the scene in Dana Point where the bicyclist 492 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: was hit by the car and then the car driver 493 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: got out and this is really hard to believe, stabbed 494 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: the bicyclist to death. Turns out he is an er 495 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: doctor and sorely missed by many people. Horrifying story. We'll 496 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: talk to our guest Sam right after the news three o'clock. Well, 497 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: you knew this story was going to surface. We haven't 498 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: talked about the Idaho college student murderer in a while. 499 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: Brian Coburger, he won't be having a preliminary hearing until June. 500 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: He's the one that decided to put it off. But 501 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: you know women were going to surface that. Well, they're infatuated. 502 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: And apparently we have a Kentucky woman who has announced 503 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: on Facebook that she has obsessed with Brian Coburger. Her 504 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: name is Brittany Hisslope. She's begun posting. Some people may 505 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: not understand that with Brian being my love interest that 506 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: I'm fixated on. I don't think of being with others 507 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: in the ways that I think of being with him, 508 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: and thoughts of being with him also give me sensations 509 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: that I wouldn't get when thinking of someone else. Because 510 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: I have deep feelings for Brian, I'm fixated on him, 511 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: although I don't know how he feels about me, and 512 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: there's someone else he wants instead, even though that wouldn't 513 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: be ideal for my divine masculine counterpart to be that way. 514 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: Although when I have thoughts of being with him in 515 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: certain ways, he gives me bodily sensations that are real. 516 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, you may not understand what I'm meaning, 517 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: But I also feel a love for him that isn't 518 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: just sexual in nature. As you know, there's a mug 519 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: shot of him. I took on ended hearts and a 520 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: pair of lipstickers to it, A pair of lip stickers. Lipstickers, Yes, 521 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what lipstickers are. Can you you know 522 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: what stickers are? You had kids that played with stickers 523 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: of lips? Correct? I see you put them on there. 524 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: It looks like you're kissing me. I thought it was 525 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: like pot stickers. I didn't know. Oh no, no stickers. Uh. Now, 526 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,479 Speaker 1: now she's got a sixteen year old son, and how 527 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: do you how do you think he feels this morning? Uh? 528 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: Mom went public with her crush on a mask killer 529 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: four college students. Yeah, you think he's going home? Uh No, 530 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: I don't think that was a bad day at school. 531 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: Sixteen two is a tough age. Oh yeah, right to 532 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: find out your your Your mom announced the world that 533 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: she's in love with a mask killer. Debrah. She says 534 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: they're a good couple, a good match because of their 535 00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: astrological signs of both scorpios. No, they're birth doesn't not 536 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: at all well, because you have a thing for prisoners, 537 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: And no, I don't have a thing for prisoners. I said. 538 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: I used to have a thing for going to jails. 539 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: It was just it was kind of a jail. No, 540 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be in prison. It's just that 541 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: I was just fascinated by the prison culture. Not that 542 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm ever interested in being behind bars, nor would I 543 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: ever fantasize about somebody who is behind bars. You share 544 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: that astrology thing with her, too, I saw you. No, 545 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: I do check out my horoscope once in a while, 546 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: but no, I don't sit there. I'm a sagittarius and 547 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: you're a sagittarius, and therefore we should be together. No, 548 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: especially not a criminal. Yeah, I didn't think it worked 549 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: like that. I thought you weren't supposed to do with 550 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: your same So let's have the opposite signs that you 551 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: pair well with. Probably all right, this is not her 552 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: first prisoner, Well, this is not her first crush of 553 00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: the killer. Right. She had a crush on Cody Hall, 554 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: who fatally shot a fifty year old man in Kentucky 555 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen and then attacked his sister and another 556 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: woman with a machetti. And uh and uh this this girl, 557 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: Brittany couldn't get enough at Ham. She visited him, put 558 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: money in his commissary account, wrote him letters, and I 559 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: wanted to be in a loyal, committed relationship with them. 560 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: This is back in twenty eighteen, she wrote this, How 561 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: badly was he wound up blocking her from visiting him 562 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: in jail The murderer rejected her. Wow, that would be 563 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: so embarrassing. You're too crazy for me? But how how 564 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 1: how bad was the last relationship she had that resulted 565 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: in the sixteen year olds A picture of her. She's 566 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: definitely had some face work, but she still looks kind 567 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: of young and attractive. To see a picture, Yeah, I see, yeah, 568 00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: the car there changing hair colors, uh, says he. She 569 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: also has sent letters to Coburger about her amorous intentions, 570 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: along with pictures of herself all dressed up and looking 571 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: sharp with me being deprived of a love and sex 572 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: life for so long? Gee, why would that be? And 573 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: only one the one with someone I truly wholeheartedly feel for? 574 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: What are those first dates? Like? She's hoping for conjugal 575 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: visits with this guy? I don't think you get those here. 576 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: I was going to stay. I guess that would be 577 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: the goal, right because she's I don't think in this 578 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: case that would. He's not convicted yet. Maybe you get 579 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: some sort of visits. I don't know how, because she says, um, 580 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: she's already getting bodily sensations that are real. The Lata 581 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's officers declining to confirm whether got an email 582 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: from this woman. What is she talking about? If she's 583 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: for real? Oh? Yeah, this one where she's wearing a 584 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: rather shall we top there? I can't tell it's a 585 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: bra or just like a Pike pic. You're in her 586 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: in the car. Yeah, I know, yeah, Yeah, she's selling herself. 587 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: I like this. His slope did not respond to multiple 588 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: request for comment from The New York Post, and family 589 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: members could not be reached for comment either. You imagine, 590 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: so somebody must have seen her Facebook post and brought 591 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: this story to the post, but they can't get her 592 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: edging peak on the record, and your mom or your daughter. 593 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: I think you guys should try and get her on. 594 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: But there's always these women. Manson had his women that 595 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: loved her, remember Menendez brother. One of them married a lover, 596 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: a woman that was infatua. I don't know what goes 597 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: hey wire because you don't see you don't see guys 598 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: falling in love with female prisoners. I've not heard of that. 599 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: I'll bet you it's happened, but it's very rare. Yeah, 600 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: but they don't They don't usually go public with with 601 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: their infatuation. Right, And there aren't a lot of female 602 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: mass murderers either. I was just gonna say, you really 603 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: can't compare. Female prisoners are kind of rough. Okay, all right, 604 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: come it up next, our guests. We'll talk about how 605 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: he was on the scene in Dana Point. We'll learn 606 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: the whole story. This is when doctor Michael John Mamone, 607 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: an er doctor, was riding his bicycle at pH and 608 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: Crown Valley Parkway in Dana Point and he was hit 609 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: by a car driven by Van Roy Evans Smith of 610 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: Long Beach. That isn't unusual. It's terrible but unusual. But 611 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: Smith got out and then stabbed Mamone and he died. 612 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: Mamon died. Johnny Ken caf I AM six forty Live Everywhere, 613 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app and Devin Mark lytton the twenty four 614 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: hour Cafe one News Room