WEBVTT - 9 Rinkrinkerfink Facts about Dr. Seuss

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what will? What's that mango? So this week I

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<v Speaker 1>was watching Dr Seuss with my kids and I started

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<v Speaker 1>wondering where did Dr SEUs get his inspiration? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>between the green eggs and him, or like a grinch

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<v Speaker 1>who actually steals Christmas an elephant who hatches an egg

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<v Speaker 1>exactly like Like, they're wonderful ideas, but they are not normal.

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<v Speaker 1>So I looked it up and uh, here's what he

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<v Speaker 1>had to say about it. Quote. I get all my

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<v Speaker 1>ideas in Switzerland, near the forka pass. There's a little

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<v Speaker 1>town called Gletch, And two thousand feet up above Gletch

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<v Speaker 1>there's a smaller hamlet called Ubergletch. I go there on

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth of August every summer to get my cuckoo

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<v Speaker 1>clock fixed. And while the cuckoo is in the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>I wander around and talk to the people in the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>They are very strange people, and I get my ideas

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<v Speaker 1>from them. Of course, so apparently he hated the question

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<v Speaker 1>where do you get your ideas? And you got to

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<v Speaker 1>ask so much This is the answer he came up with.

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<v Speaker 1>But today's nine Things is all about everyone's favorite doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor SEUs, So let's dive in good y, hey their

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<v Speaker 1>podcast listeners, Welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm Will Pearson

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<v Speaker 1>and as always I'm joined by my good friend man

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<v Speaker 1>Ticketer and sitting behind that soundproof glass refusing to eat

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<v Speaker 1>his breakfast, even though you know what we've provided him with,

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<v Speaker 1>what a box and a fox. I think he might

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<v Speaker 1>prefer it with a boat and a goat. I guess so. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's our friend and producer Tristan McNeil. And actually he's

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of some new soundproof glass. So

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<v Speaker 1>much happening here at how stuff works that we're actually

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<v Speaker 1>in a brand new studio. I think they called this.

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<v Speaker 1>They call it a whisper room, Is that right? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but they haven't named it after rock Star yet. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we have we have Bowie, and we have Eno

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<v Speaker 1>and now we're waiting to name this one. Huh. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Well we'll let Tristan decide what that's gonna be,

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<v Speaker 1>because he's pretty bossy. All right, Well, man, go back

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<v Speaker 1>to are a topic. I know you're a fan of

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<v Speaker 1>Dr SEUs. I'm a huge fan of Dr SEUs. But

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<v Speaker 1>do you have a favorite fact about him? Definitely? So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we've both read a lot of little things

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<v Speaker 1>about him over the years, and there's so many cute

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<v Speaker 1>facts like he, uh, he wore bow ties because they

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<v Speaker 1>were harder to spill soup on, or he actually had

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of hats that he kept hidden, but he pulled

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<v Speaker 1>him out for dinner parties. But my favorite thing about

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<v Speaker 1>him is that his doctor told him he had to

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<v Speaker 1>quit smoking, and he had this little pipe that he used,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead of smoking with it, he potted a little

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<v Speaker 1>p plant in it, and a friendly like some people

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<v Speaker 1>say it's a strawberry plan. Some people say it was

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<v Speaker 1>like a radish plant. I guess, But whatever the case was,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever he had an urge to smoke, he'd actually take

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<v Speaker 1>out a little medicine dropper and feed his little pipe. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it's one of my favorite little facts

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<v Speaker 1>about him. Yeah, I like that. But you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>thing I always get stuck on is the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't have any kids, and apparently he and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife Helen had tried to conceive but they couldn't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it actually heard that, And also that he was scared

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<v Speaker 1>of kids, like he had this quote, you make them,

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<v Speaker 1>I amuse them. Well, I think he thought they were unpredictable,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, found them a little hard to be around.

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<v Speaker 1>But he'd also get annoyed when his friends would talk

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<v Speaker 1>endlessly about their kids, so he made up a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of his own, just to drop in a conversation. I

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<v Speaker 1>had never heard that. Yeah, sometimes he'd signed their names

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<v Speaker 1>on this Christmas card, so you might see, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>his and his wife's name, but then also kids like

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<v Speaker 1>Norval and Wally and Wickersham and Snud of course. But

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<v Speaker 1>the pride of his family was little Chrysanthemum Pearl, the

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<v Speaker 1>daughter he'd boast about the most, and apparently she was

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<v Speaker 1>super precocious for an imaginary child at least, and made

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<v Speaker 1>a quote most delicious oyster stew with chocolate frosting and

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<v Speaker 1>flaming Roman candles. He even dedicated a book tour the

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred Hats of Bartholomew Cubbins. That's really funny, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually never heard that before. Actually, speaking of things

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't heard before, there's this story that Mark Mancini

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<v Speaker 1>wrote for Mental Fluss, and it's about the time Teddy

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<v Speaker 1>Roosevelt traumatized a young Theodore geisl which which is I

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<v Speaker 1>guess Dr Seuss real name. That's right, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>SEUs was actually his middle name, and it's supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be pronounced I think zoice, right, Yeah, that's right. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a pen name he adopted over the years, and

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<v Speaker 1>even though people mispronounced it, he kind of liked it

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<v Speaker 1>better as Zeus because it rhymed with mother goose, so

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<v Speaker 1>he accepted the mispronunciation. But uh, back to my stories. So,

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<v Speaker 1>during World War One, the Boy Scouts started selling war

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<v Speaker 1>bonds to help the forces abroad, and a young Teddy

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<v Speaker 1>Geyzell decided to join in the efforts and prove his patriotism.

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<v Speaker 1>He was actually of German heritage, so he felt he

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<v Speaker 1>had something extra proven. Remember this is when like sauerkraut

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<v Speaker 1>was being rebranded as Liberty cabbage, so there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of anti German sentiment. Anyway, As part of Troop thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>of Springfield, mass geis Ll sold over a thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>worth of bonds. And this is way back in Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of money. Yeah, certainly, so, like any fundraiser,

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<v Speaker 1>his grandparents actually kicked in a lot of dough to help.

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<v Speaker 1>But he did so well that the Boy Scouts decided

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<v Speaker 1>to honor him and nine other boys for their work,

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<v Speaker 1>and they sent Teddy Roosevelt to town. But the problem

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<v Speaker 1>was they only gave tr like nine medals, and when

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Seuss walked on stage, he was the last one

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<v Speaker 1>to get his, and Teddy Roosevelt didn't have a medal

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<v Speaker 1>for him, so he just yelled what's this boy doing here?

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<v Speaker 1>And then this other parent like instead of explaining the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>he just whisked him off and uh, and apparently Dr

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<v Speaker 1>SEUs was just totally humiliated. That's like, that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>sad though. Yeah, I mean, I guess it is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an honor to get barked up by Teddy Roosevelt,

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<v Speaker 1>but it must have been in volmer. Yeah. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing I love about Dr SEUs is that that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the only time he actually got in trouble. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is kind of a well known story, but back

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<v Speaker 1>when he was in college at Dartmouth, he was actually

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<v Speaker 1>kicked off the college humor paper for being caught with

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<v Speaker 1>a bottle of gin. And that this was during prohibition,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, and he was actually the editor in chief

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and his grandfather was a brewer, so

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<v Speaker 1>if anyone could get his hands on alcohol during that time,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be Geyzell. But but that didn't stop him

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<v Speaker 1>from writing and drawing. And it's actually when he started

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<v Speaker 1>playing with pseudonyms, and he continued work under names like

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<v Speaker 1>THEO Lessa, which is his name backwards, THEO fast as

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<v Speaker 1>SEUs or Rosetta Stone and then of course later Dr Seuss.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I don't know if you knew this, but

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<v Speaker 1>he did a stint at Oxford after college. He was

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<v Speaker 1>doing his masters there. I had no idea he'd spent

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<v Speaker 1>time in Oxford. Yeah, that's actually where he met his

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<v Speaker 1>first wife. But then he returned to the US to

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<v Speaker 1>start his work as an illustrator. But why don't we

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about some of our favorite books? Definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>So one book I loved as a kid and I

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<v Speaker 1>had actually heard a political rumor about was Marvin K. Mooney,

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<v Speaker 1>Will you please go Now? And it's about someone telling

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<v Speaker 1>little Marvin the millions of ways he can and should

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<v Speaker 1>definitely go, and then at the end he finally leaves.

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<v Speaker 1>But the rumor I had heard about it was about

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Nixon. So it came out two months after Watergate,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what made people think the two were connected.

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<v Speaker 1>Though it's highly unlikely that SEUs could have written it

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<v Speaker 1>and put it out in time to coordinate with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, SUSI used to work for eight hours a

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<v Speaker 1>day on his books, and it often took him like

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<v Speaker 1>a year and a half to two years to be

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<v Speaker 1>happy with them. So it was more of a happy coincidence,

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<v Speaker 1>but one that he was actually happy to indulge. And

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<v Speaker 1>when the book came out, he sent a copy of

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<v Speaker 1>the book to his friend, the political humor columnist Art

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<v Speaker 1>buck Walt, and uh, he crossed out the name Marvin K.

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<v Speaker 1>Mooney and added Richard M. Nixon throughout it. And buck

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<v Speaker 1>Walt actually printed the whole book as a column, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, only hidened the rumors. But what's funny is

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<v Speaker 1>that the book keeps resurfacing from time to time, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with new politicians in his place. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was actually used for Mubarak in Egypt recently, and Maureen

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<v Speaker 1>Dowd referenced it in relation to the Clintons. Wow, I

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<v Speaker 1>had not heard that before. All right, well, here's something

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<v Speaker 1>I had learned while researching The Cat and the Hat.

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<v Speaker 1>This week, not every week, you get the research. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I love about her jobs. But Apparently the inspiration

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<v Speaker 1>started with an article in Life magazine. Now this was

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty four, and it was by a writer

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<v Speaker 1>named John Hershey, and this is from biography dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>So Hershey writes, quote, in the classroom, boys and girls

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<v Speaker 1>are confronted with books that have insipid illustrations depicting the

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<v Speaker 1>slicked up lives of other children, all feature abnormally courteous,

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<v Speaker 1>unnaturally clean boys and girls. In bookstores, anyone can buy brighter,

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<v Speaker 1>livelier books featuring strange and wonderful animals and children who

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<v Speaker 1>behave naturally and sometimes misbehave. So an editor read that

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<v Speaker 1>and invited Dr SEUs over. And at the time he

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<v Speaker 1>was more of an ad exact and a political cartoonist,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, write me a book that kids can't

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<v Speaker 1>put down. And the Cat in the Hat is the

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<v Speaker 1>result of that conversation. That's pretty awesome. I've actually read

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<v Speaker 1>something about how one of the things Dr SEUs is

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<v Speaker 1>proudest of was killing off the boring Dick and Jane series,

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<v Speaker 1>I think so I read that too, and he really

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<v Speaker 1>tried to infuse a bit of mischief, and he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>the kids to be inspired by the cat. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>to revolt against authority, but not too much. They of

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<v Speaker 1>course clean up the mess at the end of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>But the other funny thing I learned was that the

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<v Speaker 1>fish in the story, who's you know, kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>kid's conscious, but is also a doomsday character. He was

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<v Speaker 1>modeled after Cotton Math or you know that the Puritan minister.

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<v Speaker 1>And like you said, you know, SEUs really worked hard

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<v Speaker 1>at that book, and it's not easy to make something

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<v Speaker 1>come pelling with less than two hundred and fifty words.

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<v Speaker 1>But after a year and a half's worth of work,

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<v Speaker 1>the book published and it was an immediate bestseller. I

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<v Speaker 1>love that. But let's take a quick break and then

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<v Speaker 1>do our last two facts. Welcome back to Part Time Genius.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're talking about doctor SEUs, so Mango. Obviously, there's

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<v Speaker 1>too much to cover, No way we could cover this

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<v Speaker 1>in just one nine things. We might have to come

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<v Speaker 1>back to this as a full length episode at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>But but what do you want to cover for your

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<v Speaker 1>final fact? So, I mean, I know there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to say about the lorax or the sneeches and how

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<v Speaker 1>it was actually written because it inspired the civil rights movement,

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<v Speaker 1>but uh, the story I want to talk about is

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<v Speaker 1>that without doctor SEUs we wouldn't actually have the Barren

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<v Speaker 1>Steine Bears. Really. Yeah, So apparently the Barren scenes were

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<v Speaker 1>inspired by a New Yorker profile of doctor SEUs that

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<v Speaker 1>was just written about how he's launching this new imprint

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<v Speaker 1>for Random House. And apparently once they submitted their entry,

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<v Speaker 1>he took to the couple immediately, and of course he

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<v Speaker 1>had lots of notes for them. He actually shortened their

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<v Speaker 1>author's names from Stanley and Janice to stan and jan

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<v Speaker 1>so they kind of had where that sous r. And

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<v Speaker 1>he asked them to make their rhymes in the books

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<v Speaker 1>with more consonants and less contractions because it was easier

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<v Speaker 1>for kids. He also thought kids want more details from

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<v Speaker 1>the books, so so he actually asked them to think about,

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<v Speaker 1>like what type of tobacco does Papa Bear smoke, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know is one of these details that kids might love,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's funny to think about because you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk to kids about tobacco. But mostly

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<v Speaker 1>he tried to get the story to move, and he

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<v Speaker 1>asked them to put something compelling on every page. And

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<v Speaker 1>the Berenstein's first they wanted to do a follow up

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<v Speaker 1>book about penguins, but their book did so well that

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<v Speaker 1>they've actually done hundreds of books ever since. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this, uh, this interview about why they chose to

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<v Speaker 1>write about bears, and I think it was stand that said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, something to the effect of, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>we chose bears because they can stand up on hind

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<v Speaker 1>legs and they look good in clothes or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. I mean, it's also funny to me

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<v Speaker 1>that SEUs commissioned this very sweet book on bears and morals.

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<v Speaker 1>But the books he actually loved the most for those

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<v Speaker 1>by Maury Sendak, because they're darker and more of what

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<v Speaker 1>he related to as a kid. Yeah, but what's your

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<v Speaker 1>last fact? All right? Well, like you said, there's so

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<v Speaker 1>much good stuff about Dr. Sus. I definitely think we

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<v Speaker 1>can do a full episode on the Grinch who Stole

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Eve. So this is super short of all Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Seus's many accomplishments. Do you know what he was most

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<v Speaker 1>proud of? I don't know. Maybe that Gerald mcboying Boyne cartoon,

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<v Speaker 1>or or that he was the first person to win

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<v Speaker 1>a Pulitzer for writing children's books. He would think, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that seems like a pretty decent accomplishment. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing he was proud of stuff was donating the

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<v Speaker 1>lion waiting pool at the San Diego Zoo, Like so

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<v Speaker 1>who's actually had a history with zoo's And he of

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<v Speaker 1>course wrote the book If I Ran the Zoo, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, is famous for the first use of the

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<v Speaker 1>word nerd. So we have him to you know for that,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a big one. But his dad also managed the

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<v Speaker 1>zoo when he was a it and he'd go down

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<v Speaker 1>and draw the animals there and it's part of where

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<v Speaker 1>he learned to love to draw. That makes me smile,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's definitely something I didn't know before today's episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give you the trophy, thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 1>but actually, you know what, I think Dr Seuse deserves

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<v Speaker 1>the trophy. So we're just going to voice this to

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Seuse. Thank you guys for listening, and we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back with a full length episode tomorrow