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Speaker 1: Now we're talking about doctor SEUs, so Mango. Obviously, there's

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Speaker 1: but actually, you know what, I think Dr Seuse deserves

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Speaker 1: Dr Seuse. Thank you guys for listening, and we'll be

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Speaker 1: back with a full length episode tomorrow