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Speaker 2: The John Annick and Kenny Florian podcast. That's so gary,

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Speaker 2: Kenny Florian, Oh my god, you're your hosts, John Annick

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Speaker 2: and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I know we need a new show open, but I

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Speaker 3: kind of like how it goes Kenny Florian and then

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Speaker 3: oh my god, because I think that's the reaction for

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Speaker 3: a lot of people when they hear Kenny.

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Speaker 4: Floryda oh yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: I kind of like hearing Danny count Us on the air.

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Speaker 3: We need to do that more often. I was able

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Speaker 3: to audibly hear that today. It put me in a

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Speaker 3: good headspace. It is Monday, November fifth, twenty eighteen. I've

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Speaker 3: been drinking all morning. It is episode one the eight

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Speaker 3: of the Anak and Florian Podcast. You know, I like

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Speaker 3: New York City, I think about as much as any Bostonian, Ken,

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Speaker 3: But I like leaving New York too. It's nice to

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Speaker 3: be back in South Florida. Wasn't wasn't chilly at all

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Speaker 3: up there. But it's just tight, man, I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: sit there, people everywhere. And they say people are leaving

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Speaker 3: New York right now, and that the real estate market

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Speaker 3: has fallen on hard times unlike Los Angeles and Boston.

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Speaker 3: But it seems, Kenny, a lot of people in New

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Speaker 3: York City are flocking to Jersey or wherever else. I

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Speaker 3: will say this week, it didn't seem like anybody was

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Speaker 3: leaving the city. With the marathon and UFC two thirty,

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Speaker 3: you could barely fucking move, dude.

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Speaker 5: It must have been absolutely packed over there. But I

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Speaker 5: like New York as well. But you love New York.

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Speaker 5: It's a nice it's I do. I really do love

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Speaker 5: New York. But then again, I'm not like living there.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: I get to go, I enjoy myself, I do my thing,

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Speaker 5: and then I leave. But there's a certain energy in

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Speaker 5: that city which is which is kind of special. It's

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Speaker 5: probably a chaotic energy. But for whatever reason, I feel like,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe like maybe you and a casino,

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Speaker 5: for example, I just feel.

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Speaker 3: Like there's an extra little pep in no And that's fair.

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Speaker 3: And I feel that too. When I was traveling there

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Speaker 3: once a month last year for the video game voiceovers,

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Speaker 3: I started to envision a life with my family, my

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Speaker 3: young children in New York because I fell so in

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Speaker 3: lovel with it, because I got to go for three

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Speaker 3: days without the UFC road show and the circus and

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Speaker 3: just go for three days and stay at the Viceroy

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Speaker 3: probably more than any kid from Boston ever should.

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Speaker 5: But they probably don't want enough titles for you though.

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Speaker 5: That's the problem, all right, right, right, that is fair.

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Speaker 5: We just lost all of our New York listeners, all right.

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Speaker 6: I know, one by one.

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Speaker 3: I lost a lot of followers with my tweets about

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Speaker 3: the Red Sox, but I'm not worried about that. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: we did sneak in a little dig on the broadcast.

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Speaker 3: I well, no championship parades here this week, but the

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Speaker 3: Octagon is in town and open for this so at

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Speaker 3: least you have that so I just have to say,

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Speaker 3: long Goo's coming up here in about seven minutes. But

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Speaker 3: your daughter True Florian born in February Grace the mats

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Speaker 3: at may Rocky BJJ this again, and I mean, just

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Speaker 3: unbelievable visual for all of us to finally see that.

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Speaker 3: she's not rolling around. I mean, I know she's not

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Speaker 5: Heart was bursting out of my chest. Dude, just like that.

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Speaker 5: And so like I was there, I didn't know that

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Speaker 4: She will train, she has no choice, right, well, and

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 6: Think there's any Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't really think there's any argument against Brazilian jiu jitsu

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Speaker 3: It seems like a lot of these other sports there's

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Speaker 3: you are just heart You are just melting hearts nationwide.

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Speaker 3: of course we will get to Longo in a second.

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Speaker 3: But Daniel Cormier over Derek Lewis's second round submission. As

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Speaker 3: you and our guest pick are both in envisioned, I

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Speaker 3: one prediction. And I hope we have time to talk

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Speaker 3: about Derek Lewis and all of this, because at least

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Speaker 3: a little bit. But as far as Daniel Cormier is concerned,

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Speaker 3: there were a lot of things working against him in

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Speaker 3: changing money, and even though there was risk involved because

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Speaker 3: you would expect DC would make the walk. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: I think the confidence that he brings and just like

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Speaker 3: I am going to kill this guy, And he texted

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Speaker 3: he's just so confident that short notice or otherwise thirteen

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Speaker 3: that maybe ninety eight times out of one hundred he's

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Speaker 5: Well, this just adds to the story and the legend

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Speaker 5: His back is kind of against the wall already, people

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Speaker 5: maybe thinking that he thought Derek Lewis really was much

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Speaker 5: him hurting his back, of course, said that he sneezed,

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Speaker 5: he felt his back go out. He wasn't sure whether

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Speaker 4: Of attack is through grappling.

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Speaker 5: So this is the guy who, really, you know, has

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Speaker 4: So must have been a little bit scary for him.

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Speaker 5: The fact that he was able to go out there

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Speaker 4: And you know, there was a.

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Speaker 5: Lot on the line that night, and I think that

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Speaker 5: of the biggest upsets in UFC history, And it seemed

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Speaker 5: he could have finished that fight in round one. Actually

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Speaker 5: in my opinion, he had some great opportunity to take

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Speaker 3: It's interesting you talk about the back because we all

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Speaker 3: remember October of twenty seventeen Derek Lewis on fight day

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Speaker 3: pulling out of the fight against Fabricio overdoom. And of

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Speaker 3: course he doesn't have to lean on the grappling chops offensively,

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Speaker 3: the fight. But yeah, man, I think you set it

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Speaker 3: Right now, I would agree with you that in retrospect,

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Speaker 3: have been one of the biggest upsets in UFC history.

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Speaker 3: But when Derek Lewis made his UFC debut and filled

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Speaker 3: his UFC career. This was his sixteenth UFC appearance. I

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Speaker 3: just didn't see any urgency Kenny. I didn't see him

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Speaker 3: DC than I do Derek Lewis. But I just felt like,

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Speaker 3: given this opportunity, and given what Derek Lewis could have

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Speaker 3: I call me crazy, and I think off the air

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Speaker 3: maybe some people did after the fights, but I just

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Speaker 3: expected more from Derek Lewis, and maybe I was ignorant

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Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, I think that there's some aspects of truth

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Speaker 5: to what you're saying. I think that he didn't do

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Speaker 5: a great job of really moving his feet, circling away

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Speaker 5: of like he said, you know what, if I get

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Speaker 5: to try to keep this on the feet. I was

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Speaker 5: surprised also that he really wasn't trying to go to

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Speaker 5: the body, at least trying to take away that level

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Speaker 5: said than done. Daniel knows how to faint his way in.

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Speaker 5: He did a great job of getting into that clinch safely,

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Speaker 5: an all time great. But for Derek Lewis, you think

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Speaker 7: And I'll get to push a hole in this fucking shops.

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Speaker 7: During Ray Longo.

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Speaker 3: And the Great Ray Longo, Classy has ever to join

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Speaker 3: us on what I'd imagine is a pretty difficult Monday morning,

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Speaker 3: my man, if you didn't see the fights this weekend,

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Speaker 7: That was a guy that didn't want to, you know,

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Speaker 7: he would have went for you know, I think he

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Speaker 7: he was. I thought he would have went for a

437
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Speaker 7: couple of takedowns, just so we could fake the takedowns

438
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Speaker 7: to open up the hands. I mean, that was kind

439
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Speaker 7: of what we talked about. But I think he felt

440
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Speaker 7: so comfortable in there that he he didn't even find

441
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Speaker 7: that necessary. But I'd have to talk to him. I

442
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Speaker 7: only spoke to him briefly, just to make sure he

443
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Speaker 7: was alright, and I didn't want to bother him, and

444
00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,840
Speaker 7: you know he's he's pretty fucking bummed out because I think, again,

445
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Speaker 7: I think things were going good and just that just

446
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Speaker 7: went bad.

447
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Speaker 5: So well, Ray, one of the reasons we love having

448
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Speaker 5: on the podcast every week is because of your honesty.

449
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,959
Speaker 5: And I want to know what you think of that

450
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,360
Speaker 5: stoppage by Dan Mergliata. Jockha Raysosa seemed to be kind

451
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Speaker 5: of upset about it. He felt that it was probably

452
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Speaker 5: a little bit late. What did you think about that?

453
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Speaker 7: You know, A good thing. I'm gonna surprise you on

454
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Speaker 7: this one, because I know I've always been critical of Dan,

455
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Speaker 7: but I do think in my I do think he

456
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Speaker 7: wanted to give him every last effort to win. It

457
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Speaker 7: was a it was a The magnitude of that fight

458
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Speaker 7: was pretty big. So I think I'm gonna I don't

459
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Speaker 7: even know if this is true, but in my mind,

460
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Speaker 7: I think he wanted to give him every last possible chance,

461
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Speaker 7: and I liked that for my fights. I talked Aya

462
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Speaker 7: Pointer about it last night. They you know, these guys

463
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 7: want to die, they don't want anything stopped. Then I

464
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Speaker 7: think because look, he sat down on his ass, which

465
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Speaker 7: is always a good sign. He didn't face plant, and

466
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Speaker 7: he did go right for the lake, so until the

467
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Speaker 7: point I saw him get hit once and he wasn't responsive,

468
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Speaker 7: you know, so I don't think he took any unnecessary damage.

469
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Speaker 7: And I think he gave the you know look in

470
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Speaker 7: gastoline he got, he got sat down kind of the

471
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Speaker 7: same way, and he survived and he went on to

472
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Speaker 7: win the fight. So I think, to Dan's credit, if

473
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Speaker 7: he's thinking like that, I think, you know, let's give

474
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Speaker 7: him every last chance. I just saw him in his

475
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Speaker 7: previous fight come back and win off the same thing.

476
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Speaker 7: So I know he got criticized for that, But for

477
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Speaker 7: me as a coach, I want to give I know

478
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Speaker 7: Chris was in great shape. I want to give him

479
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Speaker 7: every last chance, and I I think I think he

480
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Speaker 7: I think he did the right thing and he didn't

481
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Speaker 7: get hurt after that too much because JACKI raised a gentleman.

482
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Speaker 7: So I think at the end of the day it

483
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Speaker 7: all worked out. He might want to go back and

484
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Speaker 7: look for previous fight, you know, at future fights to

485
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Speaker 7: see if maybe wants to stop it short. But I

486
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Speaker 7: don't think he wanted to stop that fight too short,

487
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Speaker 7: because that would have been a disaster well, of course,

488
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Speaker 7: and the guy was winning the fight, and you know, right, yeah.

489
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Speaker 3: So I like the fact that he has a good

490
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Speaker 3: knowledge of the fighters. Dan Murgliata does, and he understands

491
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Speaker 3: that Chris has had a pension for rallying through adversity.

492
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Speaker 3: And you're right that Chris didn't get severely injured there after,

493
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Speaker 3: But what if he had, right, And that's my issue,

494
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Speaker 3: right when I see that type of knockdown, This is

495
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Speaker 3: what happens in boxing, right, A guy gets what, in

496
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Speaker 3: my opinion, was a concussion, and then as long as

497
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Speaker 3: he can stand the fuck up in ten seconds, he

498
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Speaker 3: can come up and get another concussion and then go

499
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Speaker 3: get your CTE right, So largely I think maybe I

500
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Speaker 3: can't came down too hard on Dan on the broadcast.

501
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,239
Speaker 3: I liked that he was aware of the athlete, and

502
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 3: you're right, Chris did seem to recover in a minute.

503
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Speaker 3: But I just think it's fortunate that there wasn't more

504
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Speaker 3: damage sustained after the fact, exactly.

505
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Speaker 7: You know, I agree with you. Look, it's it's okay

506
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 7: like for you guys to come down because by doing that,

507
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Speaker 7: you do kind of keep that bubble, you know, in

508
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Speaker 7: the public eye, and we want to make sure to

509
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Speaker 7: fight a safety. But you know when you talk to

510
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Speaker 7: these guys, because look, even you know, I got criticized

511
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Speaker 7: for the rock Cold fight. Did that go too long? Dude?

512
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 7: These guys they're a different breed man. They want to

513
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Speaker 7: fight to the death. And yeah, we are there to

514
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Speaker 7: protect them. But when you know a guy and you

515
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Speaker 7: know what he could do, and you've seen him in training,

516
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Speaker 7: and sometime you know guys that come back and they

517
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Speaker 7: win fights. And look, even if a guy comes back

518
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Speaker 7: and wins fights, right, that doesn't mean it's good for

519
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Speaker 7: him either. Of course, we're in man, We're in a

520
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Speaker 7: crazy We're in a fucking crazy sport.

521
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Speaker 1: Man.

522
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you're sport, we're.

523
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Speaker 7: Even worried about it. I wouldn't get into this sport.

524
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Speaker 7: I mean I'm always going to say so, like whether

525
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Speaker 7: one thing is right, well, get hitting the head is

526
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Speaker 7: just not good for you.

527
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Speaker 4: Ever, that's it.

528
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Speaker 7: You bump your head into the refrigerator.

529
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Speaker 4: Going heading a soccer ball, Yeah not good.

530
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Speaker 7: It's just not good. Yeah, So this is what we

531
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Speaker 7: live with. These guys. Know the risks I think the

532
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Speaker 7: more you get the weight cut down and your brain's

533
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Speaker 7: not dehydrated because I think like the brain is the

534
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 7: last place to get the fluid when you're rehydrating. So again,

535
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Speaker 7: another good question is maybe two oh five is a

536
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Speaker 7: better fit because I don't see this ever happening in

537
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Speaker 7: the gym, Like I'm telling you ever.

538
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Speaker 3: You know so, but this was all indications were, and

539
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 3: you would know better than anyone else. He looked to

540
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Speaker 3: be in the shape of his life. I mean, this

541
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Speaker 3: was an outstanding training camp. It seemed to be the

542
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Speaker 3: best he looked on the scale. To me, seemed to

543
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Speaker 3: be an outstanding cut. I gotta think he has some

544
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Speaker 3: pause to move up after a cut that goes that well.

545
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Speaker 7: No, well, I agree with you one hundred percent because

546
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Speaker 7: I'm telling you the waight till went good. But that

547
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Speaker 7: would be something we have to really to look And Kenny,

548
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 7: you notice no weight cut. If the average person watches

549
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Speaker 7: a fighter make weight, they're going to be mortified. Would

550
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Speaker 7: that be a correct statement?

551
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 5: An, Yeah, they would absolutely be mortified and horrified. It's

552
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 5: really tough on your body either way, even if it's

553
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Speaker 5: like it's a great cut, it's still really freaking difficult.

554
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 5: Something that maybe only one percent of the human population can.

555
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Speaker 4: Actually do exactly great.

556
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Speaker 7: Cause if I tell the average person don't eat for

557
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 7: fucking sus, they might fucking kill me, you know what

558
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 7: I mean? Even a good weightcut to the average guy's

559
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 7: like this is torture. So I'm gonna say this to me.

560
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Speaker 7: The weight tilt went great, the training camp was phenomenal,

561
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 7: everything was good. I'm not an expert on those last

562
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 7: five days. I'm just not. Man, I've seen it. I

563
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 7: have a lot of experience witnessing it. But if you're

564
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Speaker 7: asking me, do I know exactly what the results on

565
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 7: the body, I don't. So maybe two oh five might

566
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Speaker 7: be a place where he comes in just stronger, moca,

567
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 7: he in, you know, everything, all those attributes that go

568
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 7: with that. So I don't know. I really don't know.

569
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 5: But well, it's a good reset button too. It's a

570
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 5: good reset button to change weight classes.

571
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Speaker 7: So look at Gastol, look at winn a good These

572
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 7: are guys that fought at one seventy. They happen the

573
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Speaker 7: time of their lives at one eighty five.

574
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Speaker 3: Well, maybe even I'm saying, even off the loss, given

575
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: his resume, he could find himself in a light heavyweight

576
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 3: title eliminator against the number two guy in the world

577
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: Anthony Smith, and fans aren't going to bat an eye

578
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 3: at that, right, you could be one win away. Not

579
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 3: that you're in any great rush to share the octagon

580
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: with John Jones or Alexander Gustipson necessarily, but it could

581
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: happen pretty expeditiously for Chris if he does move up,

582
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: given what the top five looks.

583
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 7: Like right now exactly, and the old of those guys

584
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 7: get maybe the weight cut starts to affect them.

585
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 4: Yep.

586
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 7: This is a really crazy thing, those weight cuts. And

587
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 7: I'm saying the weight When I say the weight cut

588
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 7: went well, I'm telling you, if you're the average guy,

589
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Speaker 7: you know, I think it was to Mark lamontor Patris

590
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 7: because he he comes to the weight cuts because he

591
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 7: reports a dude, it's it's it's brutal. It's fucking brutal.

592
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 7: I'm telling you the weight coat was good, but if

593
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 7: you ask his wife, it wasn't good.

594
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: Well, right, And I'm basing it on my conversation with him,

595
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: which was Wednesday, and also the fact that his eyes,

596
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 3: his eyes just looked much better to me, not so black.

597
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: Not that he was smiling up there. But yeah, for

598
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 3: guys like rock Hold and Widman. There's nothing I mean

599
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: for rock Hold, it is absolutely brutal.

600
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Speaker 7: Making it look he was very, very dedicated to this fighting.

601
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 7: I'm saying he was. We were training at two oh three,

602
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 7: two o two, two o four two. He never went

603
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 7: above two oh five. I don't think for it. I

604
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 7: mean he was, he was, He was really good man.

605
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 7: But again I'm just saying, and I don't know this.

606
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 7: I'm just I don't We don't really know what happens

607
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 7: when you do that to your body, you know what

608
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 7: I mean. Some guys look good, some guys could say

609
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 7: they feel good inside. We don't really know. And that's

610
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Speaker 7: maybe one of I'm just offering it up. That might

611
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 7: be one thing that who knows, maybe too Olf. I look,

612
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 7: I would think like a one ninety five would be

613
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 7: a perfect weight for him, you know, two hundred would

614
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 7: be phenomenal. You know, I always said that there's a

615
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 7: lot of fighters that one sixty would make a big difference,

616
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 7: or sixty five, you know, instead of fifty five. You know,

617
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 7: it's like that that boxing, you know, years ago when

618
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 7: boxing was very competitive, Man, a guy tried to move

619
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 7: up from one thirty to one thirty five that was

620
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 7: hard to do because the level of skill was so

621
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 7: competitive that even that little weight made a big difference.

622
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 7: So these guys are giving up fifteen pounds and they

623
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 7: got to get that. I don't know, it's it's tough, man.

624
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 7: I would like to see more weight classes for sure.

625
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: Hey, I don't know what your schedule's like, but you

626
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: know Wyman doesn't fight all that often. I just have

627
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: a couple more things on the fight and tell me

628
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 3: when you need to go.

629
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 7: But I'm good. I stayed home. I'm I'm gonna after this.

630
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 7: I eat and I go work out and I get

631
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 7: back to my normal schedule.

632
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: It's nice to have you at home. I mean, it

633
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: sounds better, it looks better. But we haven't watched in

634
00:27:59,040 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 3: the gym.

635
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 7: How about this guy?

636
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 6: Oh yes, he's showing us his house. Oh we have

637
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 6: a dog.

638
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 3: Yah literally barked throughout the first thirty five episodes of

639
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: the Anakin Florum podcast, and then somehow it went away.

640
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 7: He's a man best friend, baby man's best friend. It

641
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 7: is hanging out. He's just chilling.

642
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: So you talked about the takedowns a little bit, or

643
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: the lack thereof. So after round two and I'm going

644
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 3: on Matt Sarah's podcast later today, and I'm going to

645
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: spend the interview around to him and ask him because

646
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: he seemed to say take him down Chris after round two.

647
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 3: I'm wondering how much you can give us in terms

648
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: of the game plan as to whether or not you

649
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: guys plan to try to take him down more often.

650
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: Do you think Shaka Day, given that Chris had taken

651
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: down his previous thirteen UFC opponents, was expectant that you

652
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: were going to try to take him down more. What

653
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: was the thought process going in? And I don't know

654
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: why was that not more a part of what we

655
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: saw Saturday night?

656
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 7: I mean, I look, it was part of the plan

657
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 7: because look, Chris is really good on top. I don't

658
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 7: think he was going to get submitted, you know, working

659
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 7: at even you know, even up in the dressing room

660
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 7: up to the fight. So you know, for me, I

661
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 7: like always going for even if you don't get it.

662
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 7: I like going for it because the more you mix up,

663
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 7: the more the guy has to react to, you know

664
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 7: what I mean. Like Chris has great you know, he's

665
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 7: got pretty good head kicks. I wanted those, you know,

666
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 7: the more you could throw at a guy, the more

667
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 7: he has to think about, you know what I mean,

668
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 7: if you keep doing the same thing. That's what surprised

669
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 7: me about Jock Array. He does the same stuff over

670
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 7: and over again. And like I told his corner, whoever

671
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 7: went over the body shot with him, that's the only

672
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 7: thing I didn't see coming, you know, was the body shot.

673
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 7: So you know, hats off to those guys. I thought

674
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 7: that was great and I don't know if it hadn't

675
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 7: effect in the fight, but it was still mixing it

676
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 7: up enough that it might you know, like again, the

677
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 7: more that guy has to think about, man might get

678
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 7: my leg kick. Now he's going to my head. Now

679
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 7: he's shooting for me. Now I'm getting hit with the

680
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 7: jab again, you know, the more you could put in.

681
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 7: And I thought, you know, he's got phenomenal leg kicks.

682
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 7: I would have liked to see a little more of

683
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 7: that and uh, just the headkicks just to freeze him.

684
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 7: And yeah, the takedowns were ren and we were confident

685
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 7: he had a great top game. But I think that's

686
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 7: a question for Chris really, because I think that might

687
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 7: have made a little difference in the fight. Although he

688
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 7: was on his way to a victory, and I think

689
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 7: he was just having a blast out there.

690
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 6: Of course, of course, like he was just doing good.

691
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 7: That's my take. But you know that could be a

692
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 7: little different, but mixing in the wrestling and even you know,

693
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 7: some of the other things he could have done would

694
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 7: have been a little better, but you know, he was

695
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 7: successful doing what he was doing, and you know, and

696
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 7: that was it. And maybe you know that was part

697
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 7: of the problem.

698
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: Who knows, but no, he certainly had that crowd by

699
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: the balls all right, last thing, and just in terms

700
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: of his legacy, and you know, it's just crazy because

701
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: if you talk about Ken Flow, you know, who's the

702
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: greatest middleweight of all time in the UFC at least

703
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: certainly Anderson Silva is going to begin that conversation. A

704
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: lot of a thought skill for skill that Luke Rockhold

705
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: would eventually become that guy. He lost to Michael Bisping

706
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: and his candidacy went sort of down the drain with

707
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: that loss. I think a lot of people thought Schwidman

708
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: was going to be that guy too. And I'm not

709
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: saying he isn't the greatest middleweight of all time, but

710
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: the record now says that he's lost four of his

711
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: last five and I know you shared this opinion that

712
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: I'm about to offer that for a guy as talented

713
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: as Chris, who works as hard as he does with

714
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: everything in the right place, it's amazing that that is

715
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 3: what we're looking at on paper, because he is one

716
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: of the best pound for pound fighters that I've ever seen.

717
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 6: And the ledger says, L four or five.

718
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, No, Look, man, if we would have had

719
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 7: this conversation like three years ago, four years ago, I

720
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 7: would have told you it's not happening like where we're

721
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 7: at today. I just never saw that coming because he

722
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 7: was so dominant and what he accomplished with nine or

723
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 7: ten fights, whatever it was, it was phenomenal, you know

724
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 7: what I mean. So you can never take that away,

725
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 7: just like you know, you can never take away Matt's

726
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 7: you know, knock out at GSP. And these are things

727
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 7: that will I think standard test the time. But no,

728
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 7: we're we're in a we're in a predicament. I didn't

729
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 7: think we'd be in for sure, So we're gonna have

730
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 7: to get together and just see where we're going. But

731
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 7: now I agree, I didn't think this would we would

732
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 7: be in and I got to tell you for about

733
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 7: twelve minutes. I didn't think we were.

734
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 4: Going to be here.

735
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 7: So you know, that night, I mean I felt like

736
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 7: I got hit in the head with a baseball bag

737
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 7: and just didn't see it coming. I was very confident

738
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 7: after schooling I'm going into that third round and you know,

739
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 7: I don't know you know, so hey, it's the fight game.

740
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: Baby, Yeah.

741
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: Man, Well all of that said, you know, look where

742
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: you were going into the Calvin Gasolm fight.

743
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 6: All it takes is one win.

744
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: And you know, Chris, his next fight is going to

745
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: be against a marquee name and it's going to be

746
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: a huge fight, could even be Isra a lot of sunny.

747
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 6: You just never know. So hey, man, I appreciate he.

748
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, lad, he got fighted the night. Let me interrupt Bolo.

749
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 7: You know, I kept telling him for a bowl of man,

750
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 7: you got fight to night, man, there's no more locked up?

751
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 7: How crazy is that? Then I went back to the hotel,

752
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 7: I saw Lando and I go, you did get fired

753
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 7: at night, right. He's looking at me like, the hell's

754
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 7: the matter with you? Widen Me got I think he

755
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 7: wanted Widman. He goes, it's at least it's your gym.

756
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 7: I think the fair thing that you would be split

757
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 7: it three ways. So it was funny, you know, good stuff.

758
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 7: But I'm happy for Chris that at least people and

759
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 7: the brass and you guys, the comment all realized it

760
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 7: was a great fight. And unfortunately I love a great fight,

761
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 7: but I don't like it one does go my way.

762
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 7: But if there's any consolation, you know, you know, he

763
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 7: got some more money, and you know, with those fights,

764
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 7: of the fights that people remember you for, and he's

765
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 7: had a bunch of them, He's got nothing to be

766
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 7: ashamed of. He's he's done a lot in his sport

767
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 7: and a short period of time, and you know, it's

768
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 7: all it's all good. That's what That's one of the

769
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 7: things that really impresses me about d C. Man. You know,

770
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 7: he's an old you know, he's getting a little older.

771
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 7: He started late. Man. This guy is just he's fucking phenomenal.

772
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 7: So I want to say congratulations to him.

773
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 8: Man.

774
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 7: I had a great chat with him at the Waynes

775
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 7: where he still teaches those kids every fucking day twenty

776
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 7: four to seven and three sixty five. He's just a

777
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 7: good dude, so happy for everything he gets.

778
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I texted Chris I was like, dude, I couldn't

779
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 6: have more respect for you.

780
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to name my fourth kid Wadman, and we're

781
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: gonna call him Weedman, because a little weed man, I think.

782
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 7: But you've gotten enough trouble with all of these predictions

783
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 7: you're making. You gotta walk around with that tattoo on

784
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 7: your head. Now, Now, man, are you having a fourth kid? Now?

785
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 4: You now you're nine?

786
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 3: Motherfucker what No, I'm not having a fourth kid. Honestly,

787
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: if if somehow my wife got pregnant with a fourth child,

788
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: I would dip into the deepest state of depression.

789
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 6: I don't think I'd ever get out of it, you know.

790
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 7: I we should. We should do a whole podcast on

791
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 7: that one day, because I fancy myself an expert in

792
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 7: that category. Because I want to. I want to take

793
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 7: a gun and shoot myself in the head. I don't

794
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 7: know if anybody out there is with me ten years,

795
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 7: we'll see where you have. If you're laughing like that, my.

796
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 6: Goodness, still going all for one and one for all,

797
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 6: sticking together.

798
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 8: Man.

799
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 7: There's a great team, and everybody feeds off everybody else.

800
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 7: It was great having Al, Joe and Al there. Everybody

801
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 7: was cheering and Rob and Zi. We got a good crew, Ma,

802
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 7: and everybody's behind Wyman. They appreciate all the things he does,

803
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 7: and you know it's all good stuff.

804
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: Man.

805
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 7: I know, at the end of the day is more

806
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 7: to fighting. This was a tough one to swallow, but

807
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 7: he is surrounded by really good people and it's all

808
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 7: gonna be good.

809
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 6: All right, my man.

810
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 3: Appreciate the time for the one hundred and seventy eighth

811
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 3: consecutive week. You know how much love we have for you.

812
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: It's hard for me to look through the fence and

813
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: see you like that, but a lot of good in

814
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: that performance. And we know Chris will be back and

815
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: and bet for better for worse. You're gonna be back

816
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: next Monday. So we'll let you go after twenty five

817
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: and we'll talk to you in a week, my man.

818
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 7: Beautiful guys. I appreciate everything. I really do. You guys

819
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 7: are great. Uh. This is almost therapy for me, So

820
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 7: I appreciate it.

821
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 4: Thank you man, Thank you. Rach guy.

822
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 3: The Ray Longo minute every week here on the anak

823
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: Implorian Podcast. Uh dude, I mean I thought he was

824
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,479
Speaker 3: gonna and Ray doesn't listen to this podcast. After the fact,

825
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 3: so I can say some of the stuff that's about

826
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: to come.

827
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 6: Out of my mouth. I thought he was just gonna

828
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 6: fully break down.

829
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: I've never seen him look so despondent, and because I

830
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 3: just think they feel like they have the greatest middleweight

831
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 3: of all time.

832
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 6: And the record now says he's lost fucking four of five.

833
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: And I know it's all against elite competition, Kenny, but

834
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: this is a part of the legacy, man, And it's

835
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 3: crazy to think that, maybe just a little bit removed

836
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: from his fighting prime, that despite some good performances in

837
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: these losses, that he has lost four of his left five.

838
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 4: The highest highs and the lowest lows. That's what this

839
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 4: sport gives you.

840
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 5: And it's amazing when you look at guys like Anthony Pettis,

841
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 5: guys like Chris Widman, who are really on top of

842
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 5: the world, being a champion in their division, in a

843
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 5: very tough division, have some amazing wins, and then all

844
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 5: of a sudden, in the blink of an eye, they're

845
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 5: staring at three four fight you know, losses in a row.

846
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 4: I mean, it's unbelievable. This sport is absolutely brutal.

847
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 5: It's the toughest sport in the world in every aspect

848
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 5: and momentum confidence. Style matchups are huge in this sport,

849
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 5: and even when you have an advantage as far as

850
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 5: the style fights, it doesn't always go your way. You

851
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 5: zig when you should have zagged, like Ray said, and

852
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 5: that could be the end of it. And you know,

853
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 5: we knew though obviously Jock array so is one of

854
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 5: the best Brazilian jutsu competitors of all time, a guy

855
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 5: who hits extremely hard. We knew that was gonna be

856
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 5: a tough matchup for Chris Widman, and I gotta say

857
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 5: I agree with with Matt. I was a little surprised

858
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 5: that he didn't try to go for more takedowns, especially

859
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 5: in that third round. Jock array is very dangerous on

860
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 5: the ground, but not as dangerous when he's on his back.

861
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 5: I thought Chris should have gone for a little bit

862
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 5: more takedowns. And the other thing was countering that left hook.

863
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 5: You don't throw a lead left hook to the body

864
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 5: in boxing, let alone and mixed martial arts. It's a

865
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 5: very dangerous thing, especially when you have four ounce gloves.

866
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 5: I was surprised that Chris didn't try to counter with

867
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 5: that right hand cross going backwards to deal with that

868
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 5: left hook to the body.

869
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 4: But those are the two things that really stood out.

870
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 5: Obviously, it's a lot easier said than done, and it

871
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 5: was an unbelievable fight at the end of the day.

872
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 5: And this is going to be one of those for

873
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 5: Chris Widman and Ray and his team that they're going

874
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 5: to have to battle back from. And I think one

875
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 5: fight that might make sense is maybe he does fight

876
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 5: rock Hold, but he fights rock Hole at two hundred

877
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 5: and five.

878
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: Pounds, right, Yeah, I think that's a fight that would

879
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: have legs. And I like the way you're thinking. And

880
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: obviously light heavyweight is on their radar at this point

881
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 3: in time, and I thought you hit on a lot

882
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: of good points in terms of the game plan and

883
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: maybe why it wasn't more takedown heavy. But it's just

884
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 3: a tough to sort of walk back into your new

885
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 3: world after a loss like that. And I think especially

886
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: so because this was the training camp of his life.

887
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: He was in the shape of his life. I mean,

888
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: he was his body five percentage was lower than it

889
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: had ever been before. And you know, Ken Flow didn't

890
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: lose a lot, but when Kenny did lose to bj

891
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: Penn or Jose Aldo. I'm sitting around taking forty five

892
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: to fifty minutes to write you a text message. Right,

893
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: It's like you have relationships with these fighters and you

894
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: don't know what to say in that moment. And so

895
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: I felt like if I said, do we're gonna have

896
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: a kid, He's gonna be called weed maannak.

897
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 6: Maybe that'll like help bring some levity. But it's just tough.

898
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: But the story ultimately is Jaka Day Sosa and how

899
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: about this Camp Fusion Excel performance in Orlando, right In

900
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: terms of what they've been able to extract from Jakaray, right,

901
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: he says when he was in Brazil, they were just

902
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: going way too hard, sparing all the time. They've gotten

903
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: back to basics, striking fundamentals, head movement, angles, footwork and

904
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: say what you want about Sose's not the fastest guy

905
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 3: in the world necessarily, maybe he's lost to step Kenny,

906
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: but it was moving his head like never before. I

907
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 3: think in terms of some striking improvements, Jaka Day has

908
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 3: made them and they helped him rally to get a

909
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 3: win center.

910
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 5: I saw improvements on the technical side, but I also

911
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 5: saw improvements on the mental side of things, and on

912
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 5: the technical side of things, I think you nailed that.

913
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 5: His head movement was so much better than we've seen

914
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 5: in the past. He was getting that head off the

915
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 5: center line and the next level of that. I think

916
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 5: in his next fight, not only will we see that

917
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 5: head movement, but we'll actually see slips and punches off

918
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 5: of that head movement next, which is gonna be terrifying

919
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 5: for his opponents. But yeah, I thought that was a

920
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 5: huge difference. I thought his ability to move forward and

921
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 5: not get not having to really coward the pressure of

922
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 5: Chris Widman was a huge difference. So this he obviously

923
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 5: went back looked at the Kelvin Gaslom fight and maybe

924
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 5: even some other fights where maybe he took his foot

925
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 5: off the gas a little bit, or or maybe let

926
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 5: the guy kind of take over, you know, in some

927
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 5: of those fights. That was not the case this time around.

928
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 5: I thought Chris won that first round. I thought that

929
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 5: he may he probably snuck away with the second round

930
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 5: as well. I thought those takedowns and grappling exchanges probably

931
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 5: wanted for him as well. I thought it was a

932
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 5: closer round, no doubt about it, and then he was

933
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 5: doing well in the third round, but it was Jock

934
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 5: garay Sosa continuing to walk him down and throw hard

935
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 5: combinations in the pocket. That really had me worried for Chris,

936
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 5: because Chris wasn't moving his head so well, and Chris

937
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 5: wasn't countering so well, and he was circling into power

938
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 5: a little bit, which concerned me. But in the end,

939
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 5: it was that continued pressure, in that confidence from Jock

940
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 5: Risoza to continue going forward that one in that fight,

941
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 5: and I think that was a different wrinkle to Jock Riysosa.

942
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 3: Hopefully we won't short short change Daniel Cormier today, nor

943
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 3: Jared Cannonier and some of the other Nights Nights big winners.

944
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 3: But I need this segue to Israel outa Sonya because

945
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: our guest pick for Denver is coming up soon, and

946
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 3: this is a guy who made his UFC debut in February.

947
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: If anybody is going to challenge DC for Fighter of

948
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 3: the Year in twenty eighteen, it's Israel outa Sonya. He

949
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: is four and zero in the UFC big win over

950
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: Derek Brunson. It came with nine seconds to go in

951
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: the opening round by tko Atasanya is all the rage

952
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: right now, and rightfully so. He was all the rage

953
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: coming in can flow. And I think when you look

954
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 3: at the body of work, not just the kickboxing and

955
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: boxing background, but now the mixed martial arts body of work,

956
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: he could have come to the UFC several years ago.

957
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: Joe Silva wanted this guy very badly, right, he boded

958
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: his time. He waited till he was ready. Money wasn't

959
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: an issue, so he wasn't in any rush to get

960
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: to the big show. And now over the course of

961
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 3: nine or ten months, we've seen him improve dramatically in

962
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 3: a lot of areas, just with the strength of four

963
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: training camps. So I think Atasigni might be one fight

964
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: away from a championship fight. He might be the backup

965
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: when Whitaker and gastoln fight for the UFC Midleway title

966
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: sometime first quarter twenty nineteen. This kid is an absolute superstar.

967
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 3: I think he'll be headlining a UFC pay per view

968
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: by this time next year for sure.

969
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 5: One of the more impressive performances at UFC two thirty

970
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 5: in my opinion. And you know, you have to credit

971
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 5: his management and his coaching squad as well for what

972
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 5: they've done with him, because for a couple reasons. Not

973
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 5: only are they taking the right fights in the right

974
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 5: order to get him the right experience to build up

975
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 5: to the championship run, but he's getting better.

976
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 4: He really is getting better.

977
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 5: I think Derek Brunson was, no doubt, in my mind,

978
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 5: a tougher challenge than even Brad Tavares. And maybe he's

979
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 5: not as well rounded as a Brad Tavares, but he

980
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 5: has fought some very tough competition and has some good

981
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 5: wins over some elite guys, and you know, he was

982
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 5: able to get to that clinch. He was able to

983
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 5: get to his strong positions in Israel A Deasnya was

984
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 5: able to stop every single takedown attempt, and granted I

985
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 5: think Derek Brunson was a little intimidated. He seemed a

986
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 5: little gun shy out there. He was shooting from a

987
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 5: little far away, but he was still able to get

988
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 5: to the clinch and still able to get some good

989
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 5: scoring positions and Adasanya just would not let him get

990
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 5: to those positions and finish them. So huge credit to Audasanya,

991
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 5: who looked way more comfortable when it came to those

992
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 5: wrestling exchanges. He seemed very confident, and then once he

993
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 5: was able to utilize his striking.

994
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 4: It was all over for Derek Brunson.

995
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: So in terms of Adusna's future, Kenny certainly he has

996
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: a style and a disposition that has really endeared him

997
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 3: to fight fans around the world. I think there's a

998
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 3: fight IQ element to him that maybe he doesn't get

999
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: enough credit for. I haven't thought in his UFC debut,

1000
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 3: even though it was Rob Wilkinson, I don't care who

1001
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 3: it is. A guy with a UFC contract who tries

1002
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: to take you down sixteen times, you stuff thirteen of them.

1003
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: I'm giving you some modicum of credit for it. I

1004
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: don't know if the next fight for him is going

1005
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: to be the title right I thought, you know, a

1006
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 3: Wideman fight would have had legs potentially if Chris had won,

1007
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 3: because Autasnya had called for that fight but said he

1008
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 3: wanted to get through Derek Brunson first. I think if

1009
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 3: you're Jaka d Soza, you're not going near Israel out

1010
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 3: of Sonya at thirty eight, almost thirty nine years old.

1011
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 3: I think for Jaka Day you're going to try like

1012
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: hell to wait and have your next fight be for

1013
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 3: a UFC championship, but for Israel out of Sonya. There

1014
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: weren't a lot of people saying that if he could

1015
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 3: knock out Derek Brunson, he would be in the championship conversation, Kenny,

1016
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: And yet don't you think he kinda is? Given that

1017
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 3: performance and given that this was sort of billed as

1018
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 3: moving night in the middleweight division.

1019
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 5: I think he's certainly in the conversation. Should he have

1020
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 5: that next title shot? I don't think so yet. And listen,

1021
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 5: I think he matches up extremely well against Robert Whitaker,

1022
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 5: but give him one more fight. I think that fight

1023
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 5: against Paula A Costa is interesting. I would love to

1024
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 5: see that fight. Costa, you know, is going to get

1025
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 5: in his face and try to knock his head off,

1026
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 5: and I think that also brings out the best in

1027
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 5: Adasania in a lot of ways. So I think that

1028
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 5: would be a fantastic fight. So, yeah, a little bit

1029
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 5: more experience, because I think the whole thing is really

1030
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 5: building up that level of experience in the octagon before

1031
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 5: you get that title shot, so when you do have

1032
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 5: it in front of you, you could take it right

1033
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 5: away and hold onto the belt after you get it.

1034
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 5: So I think he is building up that right experience.

1035
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 5: He is going against good wrestlers, but you know, certainly

1036
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 5: don't put him up against yol Romero for example, at

1037
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 5: one eight five in his next one. I think that

1038
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 5: would might be a little bit too much. But maybe not.

1039
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1040
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 5: Maybe he does fight a guy like a paul A Costa,

1041
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 5: get that experience, Maybe fight a Robert Whitaker.

1042
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 4: You know, by that time he's ready to take on

1043
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 4: whoever it is.

1044
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: How about the fact that he wants Widman though one

1045
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: of the most actually had he taken him, had he

1046
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: taken Jocket Day down twice, he would have become the

1047
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: most accomplished takedown artist in UFC middleweight history, right. I mean,

1048
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 3: it's interesting that Widman was the name on the tip

1049
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 3: of his tongue, right because if there's a wrestling challenge

1050
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: in that division, I mean, doesn't that conversation sort of

1051
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: start with Romero and Widman.

1052
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 4: Without a doubt?

1053
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 5: And I think Widman is a very dangerous style matchup

1054
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 5: for him, and the fact that he called him out

1055
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 5: and the fact that you know, Chris has been struggling

1056
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 5: in his last five fights is an interesting choice. I

1057
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 5: don't know if that's the choice. Chris is a tough

1058
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 5: style matchup and Chris kind of would have nothing to

1059
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 5: lose in that one. But yeah, I don't know if

1060
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 5: that's the play though.

1061
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: All Right, Yeah I don't either. I just think it's interesting,

1062
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: right coming off a loss. I'm not sure that that

1063
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: is the way they are going to go. Well, it's

1064
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,360
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Speaker 3: thirty on the back end. But we have kept this

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00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: man waiting long enough. It is time to segue to

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Speaker 3: UFC Denver. Let us get to the main event challenge.

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Speaker 2: It's the main event challenge and the time is most

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Speaker 2: definitely Flori, Hi.

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Speaker 3: Fish, Fine, how do you everything both well to.

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Speaker 2: Win the main event Challenge? To John Annick and Kenny

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Speaker 2: Florian podcast.

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00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 3: I think the Killer Gorilla Jared Cannoneer actually listens to

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00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: the Anak and Florian podcast. So I promised Jared, I

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00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 3: expected to get to you earlier than fifty five minutes in.

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Speaker 3: But last week on the show, Ken Flo went head

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Speaker 3: to head with one of my favorite guest pickers of

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00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 3: all time from the two o nine, Ryan Martinson. You

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00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: guys tied four to four lead for tamp Team Annik

1107
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: thirteen one twenty six, one thirteen. It's UFC Denver this weekend,

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00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 3: joining us to make picks today from Prince George British

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00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: Columbia in Canada. Chris Meyer, Chris, good morning, man.

1110
00:48:58,960 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 6: How are you.

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00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 8: I'm doing great? How are you guys?

1112
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 6: We're doing well man. Well, we appreciate you stepping up today.

1113
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 3: I know you're excited to test your skills against the

1114
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: flow and let us get to at FS one UFC

1115
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 3: fight Night, the Korean Zombie versus Rodriguez. We got four

1116
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: main card fights for you today. First up at flyweight,

1117
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: this might be one of the last flyweight fights in

1118
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: UFC history. You never know, essentially a pick him here

1119
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: on paper, guys, Joseph Benavitez and Ray Borg Benavidez minus

1120
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 3: one twenty, Borg minus one ten. Chris, who do you

1121
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 3: like here at one hundred and twenty five pounds?

1122
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 8: My man, it's pretty close to a pick him fight

1123
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 8: according to the odds there. I think it's a big

1124
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 8: step up in competition for ray Borg though, and I

1125
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 8: think Benavidez is going to take a decision in this fight, all.

1126
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 3: Right, Chris goes Joseph Benavidez by decision. I thought Benavidez

1127
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: would be a little bit bigger a favorite. I want

1128
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: to set up the ray Borg story here quickly if

1129
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: I could so. He hasn't fought more than a year

1130
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 3: since losing the title fight to Demetrius Johnson that was

1131
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: a fifth round submission loss October of two thousand seventeen.

1132
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: Was supposed to face Brandon Moreno that was UFC two

1133
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 3: twenty three in April, but ray was perhaps the fighter

1134
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: most affected by that dolly throw from Connor McGregor got

1135
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: shards of glass in the eye.

1136
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 6: He was unable to compete that weekend.

1137
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: The Moreno fight was rescheduled for May nineteenth, but then

1138
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 3: Borg had to pull out of that fight to help

1139
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: take care of his infant son. It's a story, Kenny,

1140
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 3: I know you've been following very closely. His son has

1141
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 3: undergone multiple brain surgeries at this point in time. Of course,

1142
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 3: our good friend Brendan Schopp, what a gesture offering to

1143
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: pay for the entirety of his medical bills.

1144
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 6: But for Borg this is tricky, right because.

1145
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 3: This training camp has coincided with a lot of these

1146
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: medical procedures and a lot of the emotional hardship that

1147
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: comes with it, not to mention the fact that he's

1148
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 3: fighting one of the best flyweights in the world. So

1149
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that the odds makers have accounted for

1150
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 3: everything that reg Borg has been dealing with. Kenny, your

1151
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: thoughts on Benavitez in Borg this weekend?

1152
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's my big concern.

1153
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 5: I mean, that is a lot to deal with as

1154
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 5: a family, as a father, as a fighter, and my

1155
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 5: heart goes out to them.

1156
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 4: I mean, that is a lot to deal with.

1157
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 5: So whether he's really been able to commit himself like

1158
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 5: he normally does, I just don't know, and I have

1159
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 5: a hard time believing that.

1160
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I.

1161
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 5: Mean, what more motivation than seeing your your child fight

1162
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 5: every single day to survive, really, and that kind of inspiration,

1163
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 5: you know, can go a long way as well. So

1164
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 5: this is a tough one for me, but even tougher

1165
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 5: for Ray Borg and his family. So I gotta go

1166
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 5: with the veteran Joseph Benavitez here. I think he's gonna

1167
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 5: be really tough to stop, whether there's an issue going

1168
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 5: on or not. But this, I just it's gonna be

1169
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 5: really hard for me to believe that ray Borg has

1170
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 5: been able to really commit himself to a full training

1171
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 5: camp here.

1172
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 4: I would love to see him get a win.

1173
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 5: Joseph benavite is a friend of mine as well, so

1174
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 5: it's tough, but I think Joe probably takes this.

1175
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 3: And ray Bor's got all the skill in the world,

1176
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 3: right and he's a guy who a lot of enduscrit

1177
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 3: like can't get himself back to it. Yeah, outstanding submission

1178
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 3: game and just the transitions on the ground. Very fun

1179
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: fighter to watch, but we'll see how it goes in

1180
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 3: that flyway fight that's part of the main card. Also

1181
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 3: on the main card the return of former UFC Women's

1182
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 3: featherweight champion at Jermaine Derandomy. So she hasn't fought since

1183
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: that forgettable fight. It was February of twenty seventeen. She

1184
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 3: denied Holly Holmes bid to become a two division champion

1185
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 3: that night, so she threw punches after the horn in

1186
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 3: rounds two and three, and she got a lot of

1187
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 3: criticism for that. Then she refused to fight Chris Cyborg

1188
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 3: in her first title defense because of previous ped transgressions.

1189
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 3: That brought more criticism to Jermaine Derandomy. Of course, now

1190
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: she drops down after being stripped, returns to the bantamweight division.

1191
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: She'll be the minus one seventy five favorite here against

1192
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 3: recent title challenger Raquel Pennington. She is the dog at

1193
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 3: plus one forty five. Chris Meyer, who do you like here,

1194
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 3: Jermaine Randomy or Rocky Pennington.

1195
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 8: I like you said, Jermaine's coming off quite the layoff.

1196
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 8: It's been almost two years now since she's fought, but

1197
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 8: I think she's got enough experience in her kickboxing background

1198
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 8: to really take it to Pennington. And I think she's

1199
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 8: gonna she might start off slow, but I think it's

1200
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 8: going to be a rough kne for Pennington. I'll take

1201
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 8: the Randomy by decision again.

1202
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 3: Jermaine Derandomy by decision for Chris ken Flow. Pennington's last fight,

1203
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: of course, the title lost to Amanda Noon As that

1204
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: was in May, and that came after she missed all

1205
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: of twenty seventeen due to injury. This is a fighter

1206
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 3: who had a broken back when she was a teenager.

1207
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of injuries for Pennington, a lot

1208
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: of MMA miles as well. Your thoughts on Raquel in

1209
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 3: the spot against Jermaine de Randomy, Yeah, and.

1210
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 5: She unfortunately gained a lot of miles in my opinion

1211
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 5: in her last fight, Raquel really took a lot of

1212
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 5: punishment in that one. She does get hit a lot,

1213
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 5: and that's really what concerns me here against an excellent

1214
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 5: striker in Jermaine de Randomy, can she cause some problems

1215
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 5: if this fight hits the mat and she gets on

1216
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 5: top absolutely obviously, Jermaine Randomy not known for her ground game.

1217
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 5: I think Raquel could absolutely submit her. So I think

1218
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 5: it's a little bit closer than we think. However, I

1219
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 5: think because of Raquel's propensity for getting hit, I think

1220
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 5: she does take a beating here on the feet and

1221
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 5: Deranomy wins.

1222
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 4: All right.

1223
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 3: Comin event, we've seen some money come in on Platinum

1224
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 3: Mike Perry. He did open as the betting favorite against

1225
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 3: Donald Cowboys Seroni, but far more pronounced now Perry minus

1226
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: two point thirty Serroni plus one eighty outstanding matchup on paper.

1227
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 3: I think you're getting to finish here on one side

1228
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 3: or the other. If not, I think you're probably getting

1229
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 3: the fight of the night, Chris. Great fight here between

1230
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: Perry and SERRONI who will it be for you?

1231
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1232
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 8: This was actually a really tough fight for me to

1233
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 8: make my mind up on. Perry's a pretty powerful guy,

1234
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 8: and I think that Seroni's going to struggle if they

1235
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 8: get into the clinch at all. And I think he's

1236
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 8: going to have a real hard time with Mike Perry

1237
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 8: just in the striking department. I think Mike Perry hits

1238
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 8: really hard and it's going to really affect Don Serni

1239
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 8: going through that fight. I was going to take him

1240
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 8: by t kal, but I'll take Mike Perry by a.

1241
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 6: Decision, all right.

1242
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: Mike Perry points for Chris ken flow. Can't speak much

1243
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 3: for Seroni's training camp. I know he's done some traveling.

1244
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 3: I will tell you the reviews on Mike Perry coming

1245
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 3: out of Albuquerque, New Mexico have been outstanding. A lot

1246
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 3: of evolutions since he aligned with Jackson Wink MMA, and

1247
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 3: he's really found a guy in Frank Lester that has

1248
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 3: brought out a lot of confidence in him at least

1249
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 3: as a mid holder and everything else. And I'm not

1250
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 3: sure about the line movement here. You know, Perry did

1251
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 3: beat up Paul Felder pretty good. That was back in

1252
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: July at UFC two twenty six. Serone on paper has

1253
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 3: lost four of five. He's been in three straight main events,

1254
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 3: lost to till the win over Yancy maderis then a

1255
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 3: loss to Leon Edwards twenty ninth UFC appearance Kenny for

1256
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 3: Seroni forty six pro fight. Overall, how do you think

1257
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 3: he'll fare against Platinum Mike Perry?

1258
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 5: This is a This is a tough one for me

1259
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 5: as well. I think Mike Perry, there's no doubt in

1260
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 5: my mind, he hits harder, and I do agree with you.

1261
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 5: I saw some really good changes in his last fight.

1262
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 5: I think he's hiding his strikes a little bit better,

1263
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 5: he's disguising his combinations better, He's mixed things up a

1264
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 5: lot better, and I think he probably is improving as

1265
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 5: a grappler as well, which will need against Donald Soroni,

1266
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 5: who can be sneaky with his double leg takedown. I

1267
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 5: think Serroni definitely has an advantage if this fight hits

1268
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 5: the mat. I don't think it's gonna be easy to

1269
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 5: take down Mike Perry. However, this guy is short, stocky,

1270
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 5: very strong. I do think that Donald Serroni still has

1271
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 5: a huge experience advantage, and sometimes Mike Perry gets a

1272
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 5: little emotional. I think for Donald Serni, he needs to

1273
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 5: needs to show tremendous footwork here in this fight against

1274
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 5: Mike Perry. He cannot hang out in the pocket for

1275
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 5: very long against a guy who hits as hard as Mike.

1276
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 5: Serroni needs to use those long range weapons, particularly those

1277
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 5: leg kicks in that kick right down the middle to

1278
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 5: the body. I think if Donald Soroni is able to

1279
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 5: do it, he can get the win. I'm a little

1280
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 5: surprised he's as big as an underdog as he is.

1281
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 5: Obviously he hasn't had the same kind of success as

1282
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 5: he's used to. But I think Donald Soroni when this,

1283
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 5: I think it will be close, but I think he

1284
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 5: wins us against Perry.

1285
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 4: And I need points.

1286
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I do wonder to your point, if if

1287
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 3: by the time Saturday rolls around, if some betters will

1288
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 3: also see the value in Seroni plus one eighty against

1289
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 3: platinum Mike Perry.

1290
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Speaker 6: I guess we'll find out all right.

1291
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: Main event sees the Korean zombie Chan Sung Jung, the

1292
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: minus one fifty five favorite against the late replacement, Yeah

1293
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 3: you Rodriguez. He comes back at plus one twenty five,

1294
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: stepping in for Frank Edgar here all right, Chris, main

1295
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: event in Denver. So we will need the round and

1296
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 3: the method as well. Who wins the main event at

1297
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 3: the UFC's twenty fifth anniversary show this week?

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00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 8: This is another type tough fight to call on. They're

1299
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 8: both coming off of long layoffs. They haven't fought since

1300
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 8: last year early last year. I think that Ei Rodriguez

1301
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 8: is going to come out and put on a good

1302
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 8: performance on Saturday. I think he's gonna take a two

1303
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 8: chance on Jong, who sometimes has a tendency start slow

1304
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 8: as well. And I think it's a good striking matchup

1305
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 8: for Yer Rodriguez as well. He's a pretty good striker,

1306
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 8: and I think he's going to come out and make

1307
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 8: a statement with this win. And I'll take him by

1308
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 8: knockout in round.

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00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,479
Speaker 3: Two, round two knockout or TKO for aira. Chris Meyer,

1310
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 3: And you're right too, Chris, like he's a very intelligent guy. Rodriguez'

1311
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: a very thoughtful guy, and I got to think that

1312
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 3: in taking this opportunity, certainly it's a main event, but

1313
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 3: he feels like this is a favorable matchup for him,

1314
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 3: and otherwise he wouldn't have jumped on it so swiftly.

1315
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 3: All right, Chris Meyer, great job today, man. We appreciate

1316
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 3: you coming on and hopefully we'll have you back on

1317
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 3: down the line.

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00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 4: My man.

1319
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 6: Thank you also for listening.

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00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 8: Awesome, Thanks a lot for having me on. Guys, have fun.

1321
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 3: All right, there he is Chris Meyer. We're going to

1322
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 3: get rid of Chris so we can spend some time

1323
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 3: here with Ken Flow on this main event. So Rodriguez

1324
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 3: actually is the guy ending the longest layoff of his

1325
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 3: career here that dates to May of twenty seventeen, when

1326
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: he entered six and oh in the UFC and left

1327
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 3: six and one courtesy of a Frankie bludgeoning. And that,

1328
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 3: of course, the man he replaces here against the Korean

1329
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: zombie Chance Sung Chong, his layoff is even longer, not

1330
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: the longest of his career, of course. He headlined, man

1331
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 3: hasn't fought since the UFC Super Bowl Weekend show, Houston, Texas,

1332
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 3: February of twenty seventeen, when he returned from his military

1333
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 3: service to knock out Dennis Bermudez. That was his first

1334
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 3: fight since the Jose Auto title fight in twenty thirteen.

1335
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: It's amazing, Kenny, to think about where Chan Sung jong

1336
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 3: could be had he not done the military service. When

1337
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 3: he did it, you know, he got injured and had

1338
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 3: to pull out of a fight, and then I think

1339
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 3: he decided it was a good time to go do

1340
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 3: the military service. But it's amazing to think. I mean,

1341
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: this is a leaf fighter in my opinion, and it's

1342
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 3: amazing to think where he could be if he didn't

1343
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 3: lose four years of his fighting prime. All of that said,

1344
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 3: what are your thoughts on what we have in store

1345
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: this weekend?

1346
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and those are precious years, no doubt about it.

1347
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 5: This is a tough one because we haven't seen these

1348
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 5: guys very often as of late, so they could be

1349
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 5: drastically different fighters in that time. So this is a

1350
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 5: very difficult one. I think Yair is more dynamic on

1351
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 5: the feet. I think he's gonna be faster on the

1352
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 5: feet as well. I think the Korean Zombie, with all

1353
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 5: of his high level fight experience, I think he's coming

1354
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 5: in with a different mindset. Yairo Rodriguez is gonna be

1355
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 5: very hungry, but I think Korean Zombie is gonna be hungry.

1356
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 5: But I just think he has a little bit more

1357
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 5: high level experience, you know, having fought guys like Josie

1358
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 5: Aldo and true veterans like Mark Hamenick. He actually, you know,

1359
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 5: I know, Chris said that he could be a slow starter.

1360
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,959
Speaker 5: I agree with that, but he's also a pretty fast starter.

1361
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 5: His knockout over Mark Comenick was the fastest and featherweight history,

1362
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 5: one of the fastest in UFC history, so he can

1363
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 5: get it done with his knockouts. He has serious power.

1364
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 5: I think the Korean Zombie has an advantage on the

1365
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 5: ground as well with his submission game. This is a

1366
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 5: tough one. I know Yayi has been working on his wrestling,

1367
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 5: both offensively and defensively, but I'm gonna go with the

1368
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 5: Korean Zombie here. I do need points, and both these

1369
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 5: guys are going to come in to entertain It should

1370
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 5: be a good one. I'll go with the Korean Zombie.

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01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 5: Let's go with round three finish.

1372
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Speaker 6: Round three finish, so let's do.

1373
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 4: Submission Round three.

1374
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 3: Submission for the Korean Zombie. Chan Song John. I just

1375
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 3: can't wait to see the kid fight.

1376
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 7: Man.

1377
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 3: You know it's one time since twenty thirteen. All Right,

1378
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 3: a couple final thoughts on UFC two to thirty, first

1379
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 3: on Jared Cannoneer, and we could spend in most of

1380
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 3: these fights, Kenny as much time talking about what it

1381
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 3: means for the loser as it does the winner.

1382
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 6: Because for David Branch, I really feel for this guy.

1383
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 3: It is remarkable what he was able to accomplish outside

1384
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 3: the UFC to earn his way back. Not just winning

1385
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 3: two belts in another promotion, a major promotion at that,

1386
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 3: but defending both of those titles at one hundred and

1387
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 3: eighty five pounds and two hundred and five pounds had

1388
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 3: Luke rock Hold on the ropes in what had been

1389
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 3: his only UFC loss in this second stint prior to

1390
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 3: what happened Saturday night. And now for the seventh rank

1391
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 3: David Branch, it all goes away, almost impossible for him

1392
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 3: to get to a UFC championship situation at this point

1393
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 3: when you lose as a minus five hundred favorite to

1394
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 3: Jared Cannoneer. And maybe he shouldn't have been that big

1395
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 3: a betting favorite, but he was supposed to fight Jacka

1396
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 3: Da Sosa. Instead he gets Cannoneer, and man, did he

1397
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: get Jared Cannoneer. Ken Flow Your thoughts on Cannoneer's middleweight

1398
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 3: debut Saturday night.

1399
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 5: Well, obviously I like Cannoneer. At one hundred and eighty

1400
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 5: five pounds, I think he's in the right weight class.

1401
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 5: He looked absolutely gigantic and ripped on Saturday night, And

1402
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 5: unfortunately for David Branch, you know, fighting at home, it

1403
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 5: could be a blessing and a curse. And you just

1404
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 5: saw this kind of tightness in his body. He seemed

1405
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 5: a little nervous as he walked out on Saturday night.

1406
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 5: And you know, I thought he had a great first round.

1407
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 5: It was you know, I thought he he mixed in

1408
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 5: all of his skills well in round one. But still

1409
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 5: you kind of got this sense that he was still

1410
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 5: trying to figure it out, and he was still a

1411
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 5: little nervous and still a little hesitant. After Cannoneer was

1412
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 5: able to get back to his feet on a few

1413
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 5: of those takedown opportunities, and yeah.

1414
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 4: I mean he was kind of watching his work a

1415
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 4: little bit.

1416
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 5: He'd land a combination, kind of would drop his hands

1417
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 5: and look to see if Cannoneer was hurt, and that

1418
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 5: really concerned me because Cannoneer is tough as nails man,

1419
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 5: and he returned when those hands dropped and really hurt

1420
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 5: David badly.

1421
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 4: And for David, who came in with a lot of momentum.

1422
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 5: When you look at his last thirteen fights, I think

1423
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 5: he was like twelve and one, his only lost being

1424
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 5: to Luke Rockold. He really could have done some big things.

1425
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 5: He would have put himself in a great position to

1426
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 5: maybe fight for the belt at some point in twenty nineteen.

1427
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 5: That is all gone after this knockout loss to Jared Kanneer,

1428
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 5: who I think will inject even more.

1429
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 4: Interesting things into this division. He's a guy that could

1430
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 4: make a run himself.

1431
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 3: I mean, a Branch beats Cannoneer, it's not out of

1432
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 3: the realm of possibility that they rebook the Branch Soza

1433
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 3: fight as the co main event for Whittaker and gessolom right,

1434
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 3: And now that fight is certainly not going to come

1435
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 3: around again. But the bigger story is Jared Cannoneer, And

1436
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 3: you do get to know the guys a little bit, Kenny,

1437
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 3: as we do on the road and This a guy

1438
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 3: who who worked for the FAA for a long time

1439
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 3: in Alaska while he was a pro fighter, only left

1440
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 3: his full time job in May of twenty seventeen, moved

1441
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 3: his entire family three young kids, to Arizona, and has

1442
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 3: put all his faith in John Crouch, Benson Henderson and

1443
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 3: the rest at the MMA lab.

1444
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 6: And how about these results.

1445
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 3: He wasn't even supposed to fight until November seventeenth, And

1446
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 3: that was really my only concern going in was this

1447
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 3: guy's bumping up his first middleweight cut. He didn't do

1448
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 3: a practice cut. He's got to make one hundred and

1449
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 3: eighty six pounds two weeks prior, comes in one eighty

1450
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 3: four point eight, leading the league in just six eight packs.

1451
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 3: It just, I mean, literally cut out a fucking stone

1452
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 3: and then he turns in that type of performance.

1453
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 6: I don't think he got a bonus. Maybe he did.

1454
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 6: Maybe he did get a bonus. I'll have to look

1455
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 6: that up. Let's see, did he get a fucking bonus here?

1456
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if he got a bonus, but either way,

1457
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 3: huge win for Jared cannoneer, father, family man, and I'm

1458
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 3: very excited for him.

1459
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 4: All right.

1460
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 3: Last thing on Daniel Cormier, maybe just to provide a

1461
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 3: little bit of historical context, because the Ledger now reads

1462
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 3: fifteen to zero as a heavyweight in mixed martial arts,

1463
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,959
Speaker 3: and now that he has defended the title, Kenny people

1464
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 3: are starting to talk about him, even though maybe he

1465
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 3: fancies himself the greatest of all time. And I think

1466
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 3: there's an argument to be made in terms of the

1467
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 3: heavyweight division. Okay, forget about John Jones, and in terms

1468
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 3: of his heavyweight legacy. I think most people still believe

1469
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 3: on Caane Blaskez his best knight, that he's the best

1470
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 3: heavyweight they've ever seen. Some people will still make an

1471
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 3: argument for fad Or Milionenko, who maybe didn't have a

1472
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 3: prime that was aligned with the prime of the sport necessarily,

1473
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 3: but Kane Fade or DC Randy Kotor maybe honorable mention.

1474
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you think DC stacks up in

1475
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 3: the pantheon of great mixed martial arts heavyweights?

1476
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 5: I mean, one of the greatest of all time, regardless

1477
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 5: of weight classes. But this is a guy who's undefeated

1478
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 5: at heavyweight in a division where one slip, one zig

1479
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 5: when you should have zagged, and yeah, a bunch that

1480
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 5: could go wrong This guy is absolutely flawless in this division,

1481
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 5: So there's no doubt in my mind he's one of

1482
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 5: the greatest heavyweights in UFC history, perhaps the greatest. And

1483
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 5: again people were saying that about steep A Miaciic. Well,

1484
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 5: he knocked out steep in round one, so I think

1485
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 5: he probably can lay claim to that. He's been extremely

1486
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 5: consistent in that division. He's beaten a variety of very

1487
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 5: elite fighters. Yeah, he could be very well the greatest

1488
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 5: heavyweight I've ever seen.

1489
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 3: Steep A, Josh Barnett, Bigfoot, Silva, Frank me or Roy

1490
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 3: Nelson and of course, most recently Derek Lewis.

1491
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 6: But what a year for Daniel Cormier. And we couldn't

1492
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 6: be happier for him.

1493
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 3: And he's one of our best friends, so we didn't

1494
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 3: bug him this week, but he's probably gonna be on

1495
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 3: the podcast next week. We haven't talked to the big

1496
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 3: Man in a while. Just want to give him a

1497
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 3: little bit of time to breathe here on the Monday

1498
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 3: after a big win. All right, final thought, I'm not

1499
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 3: sure if you saw the UFC two thirty two press

1500
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 3: conference this weekend. Cyborg, Amanda noon Az, John Jones, Alexander

1501
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 3: Gusta said, but even if you didn't see it, I

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01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 3: can tell you there's legitimate heat on both of the fights.

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01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if Cyborg and Amanda Nenez are ever

1504
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 3: really going to be able to bury the hatchet and

1505
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 3: get to a good place right. Cyborg just seems frustrated

1506
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 3: at the way Nonz has allowed this fight to be

1507
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: delayed a little bit, even though I can defend Amanda's

1508
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 3: decision to try to mathematically get herself in a position

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01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 3: to defeat Chris Cyborg. But then with Jones and Gustafson,

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01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is real, right, Like this

1511
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 3: is just this is a great fight most people think

1512
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 3: the greatest fight in UFC light heavyweight history, if not

1513
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 3: one of the best UFC fights of all time. And

1514
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 3: in six weeks, Kenny, they're going to close the octagon

1515
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 3: door behind those guys. So pretty exciting to see that

1516
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 3: press conference, and I thought it really gave UFC two

1517
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 3: thirty two a whole lot of momentum leading up to

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Speaker 3: December twenty.

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01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 4: I'm genuinely excited about both of those fights.

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01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 5: Obviously, the Gustafson John Jones fight, their first one was

1521
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 5: an absolute classic one of the best fights I've ever seen.

1522
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 5: That was the first time that we really saw John

1523
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 5: Jones truly tested. That was the first time we saw

1524
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 5: him get taken down. Augustuson will always be a tough

1525
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 5: matchup for On Jones.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 5: Obviously there was the talk that John Jones maybe didn't

1528
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 5: prepare at his best for that one. But you could

1529
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 5: see just style wise, the way that Gustison moves, with

1530
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 5: his power, his speed, his ability to mix things in

1531
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 5: with those takedowns. Jones was struggling, and it's rare that

1532
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 5: you see a guy who moves as well and is

1533
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 5: as big as Alexander Gustison and Jones. A big part

1534
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 5: of his game is that reach and his ability to

1535
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 5: touch guys from the outside and mix things up. Well,

1536
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 5: Augustuson kind of threw that game right back at John Jones.

1537
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 5: So I think we're in for another classic. And for

1538
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 5: Aman the noon Is and Cyborg, I think these are

1539
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 5: the two women who can actually beat the other. I

1540
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 5: don't think there's anyone else who can really challenge the other.

1541
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 5: So this super fight is much needed. It's a women's

1542
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 5: fight that I've been excited for for a long time.

1543
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 5: I was asking for this fight for a long time.

1544
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 5: It's finally going to happen. I truly think that both

1545
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 5: of these women believe that they can beat the other,

1546
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 5: and I think these women need this as far as

1547
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 5: status in legacy to truly kind of become legends in

1548
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 5: this sport. So I can't wait to be there. I

1549
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 5: will be there live for it in Vegas, and I'm

1550
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 5: excited for that. When John Jones, I got to say,

1551
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 5: was very impressive at the press conference. He was very present,

1552
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 5: he was very calm, he was very proposed. He was

1553
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 5: firing right back at Alexander Gustison, who I thought was

1554
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 5: pretty good on the mic himself. It's usually pretty quiet,

1555
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 5: so these guys do not like each other. Neither does

1556
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 5: Cyborg and Nunez. It is legit.

1557
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 4: They are not trying to hype up the fight, so

1558
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 4: I always love that.

1559
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 3: My excitement for Cyborgnonez trumps certainly how excited I was

1560
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 3: for Ronda Rousey, Holly Holm, or even Ronda's return against

1561
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 3: Amanda Nunez. I cannot wait to see the two best

1562
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 3: women's mixed martial artists of my lifetime, Amanda Nunez and

1563
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 3: Chris Cyborg, get in there and throw down, and I

1564
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 3: say that with all I say that with all due

1565
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 3: respect to the UFC went and strawweight division, Rose and

1566
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 3: you Wanta and everybody on down. So in terms of

1567
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 3: in this, I promise is the last thing, but the

1568
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 3: betting line for Jones and Gustufson. You thought John won

1569
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 3: the first fight, correct, I did?

1570
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 4: I thought he he uh yeah?

1571
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 3: And I bee with you yeah, And I actually think

1572
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 3: you and I are in the minority, right, But we

1573
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 3: both thought John Jones did enough late to win that fight.

1574
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 3: So John is minus three hundred and Alex is plus

1575
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 3: two thirty five, right, And I just felt like, given

1576
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 3: how close their first fight was, that if Alex opened

1577
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 3: around plus two fifty plus two forty, that some betters

1578
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 3: out there, since you know you are betting a number

1579
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 3: and not a fighter, would fire on Alex. I mean,

1580
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 3: maybe it's properly priced with John Jones as a three

1581
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 3: to one favorite, but I don't know. Am I crazy

1582
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 3: to think that that this is a closer fight on

1583
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 3: paper and that we have the potential even though John

1584
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 3: and Theory will be in a better place in terms

1585
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 3: of the training camp behind him. I think it's not

1586
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 3: a pick them fight, but I thought John would be

1587
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 3: you know, minus one sixty, minus one eighty, not twice.

1588
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 5: That I agree with you, especially given that both guys

1589
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 5: are coming off kind of long layoffs here a little bit,

1590
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 5: John Jones having to deal with a lot. I think

1591
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 5: maybe one thing that is being thrown into the equation

1592
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 5: on Alexander Gustifson's side is perhaps the fact that he

1593
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 5: has had to deal with a lot of injuries. He's

1594
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 5: dropped out of a lot of fights. Maybe that's what's

1595
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 5: playing in to their mindset perhaps. But yeah, I am

1596
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 5: a little surprised because that first fight was extremely close,

1597
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 5: and I do think that regardless of whatever happened on

1598
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 5: John Jones and in his training camp leading up to

1599
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 5: that fight, I think that Gustafson has a style and

1600
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 5: has a body and has a mindset that is always

1601
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,759
Speaker 5: going to be a difficult matchup for John Jones.

1602
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 3: And as we said last week, it's actually Gustafson who

1603
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 3: will have the longer layoff. Hasn't fought since that headliner

1604
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 3: against Glover. To share, all right, we got to get

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Speaker 3: out of here. Thanks to the crew for staying late

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