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Speaker 1: So delighted today to be joined by a wise and

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Speaker 1: experienced small council to talk about some of the lingering

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Speaker 1: questions from the first season of Nine of the Seven

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Speaker 1: Kingdoms and the future of the Game of Thrones franchise.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome season Miche from History of Westros and Neil

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Speaker 1: and David from Storm and Spoilers. Folks, It's so wonderful

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Speaker 1: to see you.

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Speaker 2: It's great to be bad.

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Speaker 3: I'm here. Look at this great group we have good

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Speaker 3: to be saying.

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Speaker 1: It's like old time. Yes, it's wonderful. Well. Nine of

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Speaker 1: the Seven Kingdoms, huge critical and writing success, nine point

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Speaker 1: five million US viewers in three days for the finale,

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Speaker 1: and still lots to talk about despite it all being

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Speaker 1: six episodes and a half hour apiece. Here's the thing

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Speaker 1: that I've been thinking about the most, as we look

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Speaker 1: Targetarian stretching out before us. Do you think they ever

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Speaker 1: bring back ja Harris the two? Did they ever drop

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Speaker 3: His reign so short that they could maybe just do

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Speaker 3: that with it, be like, yeah, we left himut because

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know, it's a tough one for the

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Speaker 1: The uh yeah, and he thoughts about that from the

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Speaker 1: of what we're talking about. Uh, jeharis the second is uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, part of the lineage in the books. But

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Speaker 1: then in the show, when maser Amon reveals his heritage

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Speaker 1: to John, he basically he basically skips him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they made they just made Egg be the father

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Speaker 3: of the Mad King instead of the grandfather, which, yeah, that.

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Speaker 4: Changes a lot for Egg the character, right.

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Speaker 1: And then there's like a ton of you know, it's

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Speaker 1: Penny Kings and the career, yeah, the fallouf of Summer Hall,

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Speaker 1: the beginning of Barriston Selmy's career. But it also feels like, again,

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing that makes me wonder do they

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Speaker 1: ever address it As we appear to be heading towards

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Speaker 1: a Game of Thrones movie, do they need.

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Speaker 4: To address it, Like will they get to that point

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? Like, if they don't

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Speaker 4: ever get to that point in Egg's life, does this matter?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a good question. I mean this leads to

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Speaker 1: the Summer Hall conversation. Sorry, go ahead, Well.

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Speaker 3: You were you were also saying, what about if they

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Speaker 3: then they have to maybe address that. But Shay is right,

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Speaker 3: if they don't do that, then they can kind of

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Speaker 1: It's honestly a great worker on Neil David, any thoughts about.

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Speaker 5: I have a thought, and it's more of a meta thought,

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Speaker 5: which is it proved two things. One that the fans

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Speaker 2: Have the big spectacle.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure House of the Dragon's gonna be

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Speaker 5: But also that hewing closer to George's vision is the

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Speaker 6: And build a whole other tiny lore story out of that.

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Speaker 1: That would be really cool. The lost king like a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, why don't we talk about Grandpa? Well there's an

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Speaker 3: Yeah. You also have things like Mace Tyrrell saying that

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Speaker 5: I mean, I would love to meet Lady Elena in

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I am famously on our podcast haven't read any

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Speaker 6: I love all our crazy Lanisters with their various teen names,

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Speaker 6: Aclass a really cool easter egg. Matter of fact, I'm

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Speaker 5: I also think it will happen, but I think it'll

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Speaker 5: Maybe there's a period where they're not traveling together, don't.

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Speaker 3: people a lot of people are like, is Dunk cold hands?

436
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 3: We're kind of against that theory because it's too short.

437
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: I mean, cold hands doesn't seem to be six foot eleven.

438
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 3: People shrink when they get older, but that's a lot

439
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 3: of shrinking. So yeah, it will causes strength cold shrinking.

440
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: Cold does it cause Does it cause nine inches as well?

441
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 3: That's a question for joy. When the blood goes it hardened? No,

442
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: the hands are hard so maybe the I don't know. Yeah,

443
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: that one's very peculiar. It's hard to figure because it

444
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: does seem to like our source for Dunk being dead

445
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 3: in summer Hall is the world of ice and fire basically,

446
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 3: and that's a nicter that's gonna be again unreliable. It's

447
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 3: a history book. Why would they have the exact precise truth,

448
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 3: not a narrator.

449
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 4: So I see it very much as like Sandor Clagane

450
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 4: is the grave digger. If Dunk survived, it's like Duncan,

451
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 4: Sir Duncan of the King's Guard died then, but that

452
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 4: maybe Dunk did survive and go I don't. But the

453
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 4: thing for me is is that satisfying to me as

454
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 4: a reader, not really not really like as a character.

455
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 4: Arc is like where where does that leave him? What

456
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 4: is the meaning to that? I don't love it, but

457
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 4: you know, maybe there's more to it. At that point

458
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 4: he goes off and it's.

459
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: Hard to be yea like, how do you go incognito

460
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 3: at six foot eleven?

461
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's the thing. Let me quickly read the quote

462
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: just just so we're all in the same page with

463
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: the ong. It's dot dot dot. This is dexter. I

464
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: do know a bit about when Egg's trying to make

465
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: dragons in Summer Haul and then there's a huge fire.

466
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: But we know from George, we know Dunk survives, but

467
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: we don't know if Egg survives yet. Pretty yes, I agree,

468
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: and I by the way, I agree with you. I

469
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: think that if I'll expound on this war in a

470
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: bit after Niel and Dave, But I think if Dunk

471
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: does survive, then he must be on some sort of

472
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,239
Speaker 1: mission to somewhere, because you can't miss this guy. You

473
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: can't miss this guy wandering around the realm, right he

474
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: has to go off in search of something, which makes

475
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: me wonder if Summer Haul do we get it all wrong?

476
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: Is it some sort of was this part of the plan?

477
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: Was his disappearance part of the plan? And you know,

478
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: like did they fake their deaths in a way in

479
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: order to go off and do something? Unclear? But it'd

480
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 1: be crazy to not be like, hey, is that Duncan?

481
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: Is that sort of Dunk in the tall literally the

482
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: tallest guy around. They have your thoughts about about about

483
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 1: Dunk surviving Summer Hall and what it could ast.

484
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 5: It's true, would be very difficult to hide. I think

485
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 5: I only have one theory that I like as far

486
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 5: as Dunk surviy thing. And it's a sad ending for Dunk,

487
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 5: which is that he's so torn up about losing his

488
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 5: best friend of all time, right Egg, Egg obviously would die.

489
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: In this scenario.

490
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 5: But by this point we've learned that he has a

491
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 5: true love who lives on Tarth, and he returns incognito

492
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 5: to Tarth to live out the rest of his days.

493
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 6: A tall person amongst other tall people.

494
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 5: That's which is a relatively remote place for him to

495
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 5: spend the last of his days being extremely badly burned

496
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 5: and injured in the care of his great love Brienn's

497
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 5: great grandmother.

498
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 4: Uh.

499
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 5: And this explains why his shield is in Randall Tarth's

500
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 5: collection at one point. And I think that that's like

501
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 5: a sad, tragic ending for him. But that's really the

502
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 5: only thing I can think of Dunk having to go

503
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 5: do without Egg, right, Like, if.

504
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: I could add something to that that that gives it

505
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 3: a little more, maybe a little more. If he had

506
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 3: a kid, which he did on Tarth, then that's a

507
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: great reason to go back there. Even he doesn't have

508
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: to tell the kid, I'm your dad, but he would. Man,

509
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 3: that's like go to where his kittens, right Like, that

510
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: makes sense a.

511
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: Very honorable thing for Dunk to do. Sounds much like him.

512
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 3: I hadn't thought of that before. It's pretty good one.

513
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 4: He'd end on his own quiet aisle.

514
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: That's great.

515
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 6: I am very sadly thinking about, like he won't be

516
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 6: the tallest person in the land if he doesn't have

517
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 6: any legs. But other than that, I would like him

518
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 6: to retire on We're in so duncta tall welster. Dunk

519
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 6: the stumps right over there.

520
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: This is Sir the Stumps, no relation to Sir Dug

521
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: the Tall. I would be so thrilled if we get

522
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 1: a depiction of Summer Hall. Do you think we get it?

523
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean it seems like we will, But do you

524
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: think we do? And when we get there? Was what happened?

525
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: On purpose? Did Egg know what he was doing? What

526
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: was Egg trying to do? And why is it that

527
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: nobody seems to talk about it? I think that's the

528
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: thing that is so interesting to me. Is it really

529
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: appears like a thing nobody wants to talk about for reasons.

530
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: And what could those be? Neil Dave any thoughts about

531
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: Summer Hall? Where we see it and what could it

532
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: all mean?

533
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 6: I was trying to explain to my girlfriend about how

534
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 6: this could be prophecy related. So Neil, please explain to

535
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 6: me once again how what Dunk does trying to awake

536
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 6: the drag makes sense given that he's a man of

537
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 6: the people. Well, I think this is yeah.

538
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it could obviously have something to

539
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 5: do with positioning, like egg trying to reawaken the dragons

540
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 5: egg having an egg a dragon egg could have something

541
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 5: to do with obviously the birth of Reguar Targarian takes

542
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 5: place right there. He thinks Reguar is the prince that

543
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 5: was promised. Potentially, it also could have something to do

544
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 5: with these dragon eggs being lost and eventually ending up

545
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 5: in the hands of Danaris.

546
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 6: Oh does Dunk take the eggs? Is that another possibility

547
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 6: for why Dunk has to die in Summer Hall as

548
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 6: he has to get the eggs out of there.

549
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 5: Or maybe somebody somebody escapes with the eggs. I mean,

550
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 5: we know, we know some people escape Summer Hall, right,

551
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 5: Reguar doesn't die as babies, he's born there and they escape,

552
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 5: So I do you know, I think that there's a

553
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 5: lot of answers potentially in there. This is like like

554
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 5: the doom of Valeria is a big moment for this

555
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 5: story world where a lot of the answers could come.

556
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 5: I also, you know, from a meta standpoint, very much

557
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 5: hope we get there. I'm a little worried about the

558
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 5: Paramount acquisition. I mean, I think that the Game of

559
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 5: Thrones machine is very strong, and the HBO team, Casey

560
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 5: Boys and the HBO executive team have navigated pretty well.

561
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: But like part of me in the back of my head.

562
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 5: Is like, if we get to season twelve, is it

563
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 5: going to be season twelve of A Night of the

564
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 5: Seven Kingdom is written by Taylor Sheridan.

565
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: That terrifies.

566
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 5: So, you know, I hope we get there, and I

567
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 5: hope we get there on the right kind of terms,

568
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 5: because I.

569
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: Do think Sheridan is out at Paramount. I believe now,

570
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: and I think the latest statements, I mean I just

571
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: saw them today from the Ellison regime were that HBO

572
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: would have significant independence. I don't believe the Game of

573
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: Thrones ip was mentioned specifically, but that would be great

574
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: if that's the case. That said, from an industry standpoint,

575
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right, Like there's a lot to

576
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: be concerned about whether it's Game of Thrones DC, any

577
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: of the other ip that's held there, and it certainly

578
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: seems like, you know, Thrones in general, the Night of

579
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: the Seven Kingdom series was in part an attempt to

580
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: make something cheaper. Let's like, control some of these costs

581
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: and make something cheaper. It makes something smaller. It's been

582
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: a wonderful success, but you do wonder, like, what is

583
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: the appetite in a world in which this parent company

584
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: has now taken on seventy plus billion dollars in debt

585
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: for expensive dragon shows. Hopefully it, hopefully it will continue.

586
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right. Sorry, it's a high jet that

587
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: as he's in Shia summer Hall stuff.

588
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 6: Your thoughts, Well, it's I like.

589
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: The comparison to the Doom. It's like a microcosm of

590
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: the Doom. You have kind of an unexplained both in

591
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: world and from a fan perspective, exactly what happened. You know,

592
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: it was a big cataclysm that killed a lot of

593
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: like a whole culture of Valerians. Now this kills off

594
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: the almost all of the rest of those who survived that,

595
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: you know, through almost three hundred years later. And yeah,

596
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: so it's both a mystery in world and a mystery

597
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: to us. We have some clues. We have different clues

598
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: than the people in world have. And I think that's

599
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: part of why it's not discussed in the world is

600
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: nobody knows exactly what happened. They're like, well, the Targarians

601
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: did something really stupid. I think a lot of people

602
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 3: just perceive it as as as mad. Yeah, they've been

603
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: in that category with Arias, thinking he could turn into

604
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: a dragon or arian. Yeah, drinking, what's of perfect examples

605
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: especial because that's his brother and so many other just

606
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: weird Targarians that did strange things. So they I don't

607
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: know that they want to just go again have yet

608
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: another mad Targarian at the end of the story. So

609
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like maybe this would be they

610
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: could invert that a little bit and have people think

611
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: he's mad. They can interpret his actions as mad, or

612
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: the other nobility can try to market him that way

613
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 3: because they don't like his pro small folk changes or

614
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: what have you. And so they are the ones who

615
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: spread the word that he was mad. They tell the

616
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: masters what to write down afterwards, things like that. So yeah,

617
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: just for reasons of like having it to be a

618
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: different plot, I think there's some pretty there's some room

619
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: for some pretty big surprises within that, But I think

620
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: the basics are, yeah, like a lot of people died,

621
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 3: it was an accident, or maybe Egg was a little off,

622
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 3: maybe he was a little mad, maybe he wasn't. But yeah,

623
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 3: there's some interesting possible permutations that could lead to a

624
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 3: lot of different things.

625
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a lot of room for Egg

626
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 4: to alienate people and have people rejoice in his death

627
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 4: while not being mad, Because I do think you're right.

628
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 4: That does get a bit repetitive to just keep repeating

629
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: that motif so often. So I would like it if

630
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: it had more nuance to that. But again, like you

631
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 4: can be dislikable, you can be unpleasant and not be mad.

632
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 4: You can be mistaken about something and you're not mad.

633
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 4: So I think there's room for that. But I do

634
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 4: think Egg, you know, was misguided. Egg thought things you

635
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 4: know would happen that wouldn't, And so yeah, I think

636
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: that speaks to his that he was convinced via prophecy,

637
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 4: via dreams, via people see, Like, I mean, you can't

638
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: ignore that in show can and Danny wasn't bald when

639
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 4: she birthed dragons, But in the book. She sure was.

640
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: And so you see he has all these reasons why

641
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 4: he might think that he has some great connection to

642
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 4: the birth of dragons.

643
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is also the side question, why do

644
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: especially the Targetians of his generation, but also some other ones,

645
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: why are they so obsessed with wildfire as a solution

646
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,479
Speaker 3: to this in general? You know, where did that come from? Yeah?

647
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: Like where does that? Where does that come from from?

648
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: It didn't. What wasn't a thing like in there of

649
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: the Blackfires or aim in the dragon Night or egg

650
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: On the Unworthy, There was no The only wildfire used

651
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 3: by egg On the Unworthy was to like he tried

652
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: to invent little things that would spew it, and that

653
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 3: was just a big disaster. So that wasn't an attempt

654
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 3: to bring dragons back. But like, I don't think anyone

655
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: looked at egg On the Unworthy was like, hey, he's

656
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: on the right track there, let's try that. Uh yeah,

657
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: So there's some that's there's some backstory that's missing too

658
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: that that would really George is keeping it close to

659
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: his chest. I think he knows what it is. He

660
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: just it would be bad to tell us. At this point.

661
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: There's no no organic way to reveal that yet I think.

662
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 6: That's a fun a series arc two of like when

663
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 6: does your like beliefs in chivalry? It just becomes too

664
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 6: tempting to forge outside of that for greatness, Like at

665
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 6: some point you're going to be giving a certain amount

666
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 6: of power and you're like, why shouldn't I use this

667
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 6: the way that I feel like it should be wielded?

668
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 6: And that sort of conflict, especially if we have done

669
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 6: trying to anchor egg at that point, could be really

670
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 6: good for later seasons of the series.

671
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: It is recently being announced that bo Willheman, who was

672
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: a writer on and Or, is going to be developing

673
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: a Game of Thrones movie at Warner Brothers. This is

674
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: something that's been kicked around, I think, for a while,

675
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: and there's a ton of different approaches and lots of

676
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: speculation about what a Game of Thrones movie could mean.

677
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: Does it pick up at the end of the series,

678
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: does it pick a different era within the world. We

679
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: have zero information, zero, but let's speculate because it's fun.

680
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: I highly doubt that it would pick up after the

681
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: end or some years down the road after the events

682
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: of the show. That could be fun, But my suspicion

683
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: is they'll pick something from the wide history of West Ros.

684
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: If they do, what would be a what would be

685
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: a rich feel that we have not seen mind yet?

686
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: And along with that, like, is there a way to

687
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: do you know, for instance, a Game of Thrones but

688
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: from a different perspective, could they do the you know,

689
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: the the Dave Filoni thing where you see it from

690
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: the other side of the perspective? Your thoughts, Neil and

691
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: Dave the movie? What could it be?

692
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 6: I mean, I for I guess a lot of it

693
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 6: also depends on where they want to position the movie

694
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 6: in their entire franchise. Push So there is a world

695
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 6: where they saw nine of the seven kingdoms work out,

696
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 6: and they're like, may we don't do Agon's Conquest because

697
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 6: that's a lot of dragons. Maybe we do roberts rebellion,

698
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 6: because then we just make our you know, we getting

699
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 6: a lot of good cast in there, We get you know,

700
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 6: a lot of great props in there. We got a

701
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 6: great moment of some hammered shattering some rubies over the trident, Like,

702
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 6: I feel like you could make those things. That's also

703
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 6: a personal obsession of mine that ever since I knew

704
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 6: that existed, I wanted to see that actually happen, and

705
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 6: we've been poking around the edges of it, so I

706
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 6: think it would be close to Game of Thrones, and

707
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 6: you could maybe sell it as a prequel to people

708
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 6: who aren't necessarily paying attention. But you've also been selling

709
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 6: out of your other property as a prequel, so that

710
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 6: would be a linear straight through where it's like, here's

711
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 6: what we know. People like, we're not going to spend

712
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 6: a bunch of money on it. It could be this.

713
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 6: Otherwise you could go big, which I'm guessing would be

714
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 6: an Egon's Conquest.

715
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 5: Neil, Yeah, I mean, I think one of the things

716
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 5: that I've heard or that feels true as well about

717
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 5: the development of some of these projects is that they

718
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 5: wanted this to be so sort of a Dune level

719
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 5: cinematic experience, and the only thing I can think of, well,

720
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 5: not the only thing, but the thing that comes to

721
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 5: mind first is the doom of Valeria and Agon's conquest.

722
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 5: But they've been kind of dancing around that with multiple

723
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 5: projects alive and dead for a while now, and I

724
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 5: think there is a reticence to go there for several reasons. Obviously,

725
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 5: it would be massive right in its scope. The other

726
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 5: thing is that similar to Summer Haul, is that going

727
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 5: back to Old Valeria and answering questions about the Doom

728
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 5: answers a lot of questions about the Targarians that I

729
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 5: don't know if George wants us to know those answers

730
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 5: just yet. And I think it also for wherever right,

731
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 5: it would put a lot of firm answers in the

732
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 5: ground about Targarian exceptionalism and maybe break apart some of

733
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 5: the things that we think of when we think about

734
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 5: the Targarians. That would beat to me very interesting, right,

735
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 5: Like it if it came back to whether the Targarians

736
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 5: are truly special in their bloodlines or whether they were

737
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 5: doing blood magic back in the day and that's how they,

738
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 5: you know, were able to tame dragons. Stuff like that

739
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 5: very fascinating, But it also very much impacts the entire

740
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 5: canon of everything that they've told since and previously, so

741
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 5: I think, you know, I can see why they're struggling

742
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 5: to lock in an Agon's conquest story because of the

743
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 5: size and scope and because of the way it could

744
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 5: affect the rest of the cannon.

745
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: But I would assume that bo Willhelmon's.

746
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 5: Movie is sort of in there somewhere because that's where

747
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 5: the big action is.

748
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: You know, it's old Valeria.

749
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 4: I would say. I mean, it seems like the reports

750
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 4: have been saying that this is kind of a dueling

751
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: situation between Mattson Tomlin's series version of Agon's Conquest right

752
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 4: and Bo's version a movie version. So my impression has

753
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 4: been that this is two different pitches for Agon's Conquest.

754
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 4: As much as I like TV more in general, I

755
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 4: do tend to think Agon's Conquest would be better as

756
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 4: a series of films to me, But you know, you

757
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 4: could do many things with it, but it lends itself

758
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 4: to film to me. The prequel type period that I

759
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 4: think that I would like for them to do is

760
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 4: Blackfire Rebellion because I think at a certain point in

761
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 4: and out of the Seven Kingdoms that that that fan

762
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 4: base is gonna be there, that's gonna be hyped to

763
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: see the Blackfire Rebellion in the same way that people

764
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: are excited about a Robert's Rebellion type thing. I think

765
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 4: more and more people are gonna be like, Ooh, I

766
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 4: want to see young macar and the you know, a

767
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 4: peak uprising. I want to see young Baylor. Like I

768
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 4: think people are gonna want that more than before they

769
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 4: even knew the characters before, and an out of the

770
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 4: Seven Kingdoms, you know, So I think there's room for

771
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 4: that to be like a big war centerpiece film. But

772
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: to take it a different direction. When you were talking

773
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 4: about is there room to see Game of Thrones from

774
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 4: another perspective, George is long talked about his spear Carrier's concept,

775
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 4: which is just like the people, the comedy of people

776
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 4: behind the scenes, the spear Carriers, and just like what

777
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 4: was happening during all of these events of Game of Thrones,

778
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 4: that there was the mundane common folk and what they

779
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 4: were doing and using that for great comedy. I don't

780
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: know that I think that's likely to ever happen, but

781
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 4: I do I would like it. I like comedy, and

782
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 4: I like to note that that's something George has pushed

783
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 4: for a number of times that he really seems to

784
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 4: like the idea of seeing what's happening on the fringes

785
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 4: of things.

786
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be a way to have egg On's

787
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: Conquest with out At being the focus, like you have.

788
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: The backdrop is Eggon's Congress. The problem with Megan's Conquest

789
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: is a storytelling thing is where's the conflict, Like who.

790
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 6: Is so easy?

791
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: Like the conquest was easy for them relatively until they

792
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 3: got to Dorn And that's like a ten year slug,

793
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: which I don't know how you write a series about

794
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: that either. Uh so maybe move forward one generation the

795
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: civil war between Megor and Egon the younger that results

796
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 3: in Jae Harris, which you know, kicks off this Golden

797
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: age afterwards, which that's maybe not the best thing to cover.

798
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: But the thing leading up to that, you have kind

799
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: of a defined, clear bad guy, Megor, but you can

800
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: maybe give him some gray area here and there. And

801
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: the problem with that is Jeeerrys doesn't actually do anything.

802
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: He just ends up king at the end. So it's

803
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: like the guy that becomes king is It's kind of

804
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: like The Dance of the Dragons has that issue too.

805
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 3: It's like we're not going to care about the person

806
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 3: ends up on the throne because it's some kid we

807
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: have no idea about. But uh that's I feel like

808
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 3: that there's you, you involve a lot bigger luck cast

809
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: of characters. It's things aren't as certain. You get some

810
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 3: back and forth you have just it's not simple like

811
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: the conquest, right, Yeah, So you have it's the first

812
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 3: break of the Targarian line, like you have, the Great

813
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: Golden Age appears to be headed and then it all

814
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 3: falls apart because Agon's first heir is Anies and he's

815
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: weak and everything. Yeah, so I don't know, there's I

816
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 3: feel like that's a little more fertile ground, even though

817
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily as popular. That's that's a flaw with

818
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: it as people both people just don't know about it.

819
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 3: Agon's Conquest, Blackfire Bellion, those are way more popular, way more.

820
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: There's way more to suggest their importance within the other shows.

821
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: Like I said, Blackfire Billion, stuff's going to come up

822
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: a lot and Dunkin Egg and that because Duncan Egg

823
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: is doing so well that I'm automatically is going to

824
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,479
Speaker 3: make that stuff more popular. And then we have the play,

825
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: the stage play coming out this year, which is The

826
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 3: Mad King. So that lay's groundwork for Roberts Rebellion. If

827
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: they want to do that, there's a lot more there

828
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: might be a little more hype for that, more interest

829
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 3: because some more of that will have been revealed, and

830
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 3: so that's spark people.

831
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 6: There's also the dumbest possible solution to all of this,

832
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 6: which is they're doing Robert's Rebellion because their next step

833
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 6: is film reboots of the actual series, because like this

834
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 6: is David Ellison brain. This is so it all depends

835
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 6: to think. I don't know that much about the relationship

836
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 6: between George and the movie side, as much as I

837
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 6: know about relationship with George of the HBO side, But

838
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 6: I don't know what that relationship is and how much

839
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 6: the movies are just champing at the bit for being

840
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 6: like basically doing a reverse what they're doing with Harry Potter.

841
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 6: I think, like, we own this version, we know people

842
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 6: don't like it. What if we hype them up that

843
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 6: we're going to make them like the Doune level version,

844
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 6: like Neil was saying, each one of these is gonna

845
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 6: be IMAX. Here's your cast. We're locking them in for

846
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 6: a decade, and then just like go for it. That would,

847
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 6: at least in the short term, make them the money

848
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 6: that they think they need to make. I think I

849
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 6: don't know how that's a long term thing.

850
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 4: They're like, I think, given the history, yeah, we'll have that.

851
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 6: How much time do we have a Warner Brothers anymore?

852
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 3: Though this might be the end, This might be the

853
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 3: is really funny as an example there because how many

854
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: times has done been remade? So that's a great like

855
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: kind of like, yeah, remakes that, dude.

856
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 6: We got the pet parties. James Gunn is really wanting

857
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 6: to launch like a fifteenth Batman, and we're holding him

858
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 6: back because the fourteenth Batman still going. So it's like

859
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 6: it's there's they're gonna if they if they press all

860
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 6: the buttons like they have in like, you know, twenty

861
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 6: sixteen or twenty twenty two, then why not reboot the

862
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 6: Game of Thrones movies or at least announce that you're

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Speaker 6: doing it and make everybody talk about stuff.

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Speaker 1: Here here's my pitch. I think you we don't know

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Speaker 1: exactly what the stage play is going to focus on,

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Speaker 1: but I would start at the beginning of very the

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Speaker 1: second Reign, whether you put your hairs back in there

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Speaker 1: or not, start at the War of the Nine Penny Kings,

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Speaker 1: and you tell the story of this young promising king

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Speaker 1: who goes mad through the lens of an up and

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Speaker 1: coming night Paris and sell me and a young lord

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Speaker 1: on the make Tiwin Lanister, who is going to show

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Speaker 1: his ruthlessness, his ambition and his intelligence and his willingness

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Speaker 1: to do anything to put his family in a position

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Speaker 1: of power. And you know, there's so many wonderful things

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Speaker 1: that Ryan tarback revolt. There's like a there's just like

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Speaker 1: a lot of things to hold on to there. Plus

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Speaker 1: you have characters that people know, and you can lead

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Speaker 1: into characters people know in a story that you haven't

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Speaker 1: seen Robert's rebell, you haven't really seen it, right, but

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Speaker 1: you know all the people that were involved with it's Ned, Robert,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. And you know, Ari's reign is so tragic

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Speaker 1: in so many ways. You know, if he's not taken hostage,

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Speaker 1: if he's if that does trigger his madness, what could

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Speaker 1: he have been? And to tell it to your to

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Speaker 1: kind of like underline things we were talking about before,

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Speaker 1: to take a more small folk approach through the lens

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Speaker 1: of sell Me and his rise to greatness, and to

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Speaker 1: legend to see him in some of the great like

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Speaker 1: you know, action set piece scenes. His incredible rescue of

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Speaker 1: Aris basically by himself. I think was would be one

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Speaker 1: of the most amazing things that you could see in

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Speaker 1: this world. Just from a pure spectacle standpoint, I think

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Speaker 1: that would be really cool. And you know, it would

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Speaker 1: be like a like a almost like an you know,

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Speaker 1: to keep referencing Flony, it'd be like an Anakin, kind

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Speaker 1: of young Anakin in reverse, with the good young Knight

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Speaker 1: who kind of gets cast aside, and then the good

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Speaker 1: young king who goes crazy.

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Speaker 4: That's my PA's a great pitch, Jason, especially because they

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Speaker 4: talked about I mean, well, one, they kind of rebrand

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Speaker 4: They changed the working title from the Iron Throne to

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Speaker 4: the Mad King, showing that emphasis, and too. They've really

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Speaker 4: been hitting on how they want this to be a

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Speaker 4: Shakespearean tragedy. And I think what you're talking about is

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Speaker 4: how they make it. Otherwise it's not quite as tragic.

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Speaker 4: I don't think unless you manage to really make the

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Speaker 4: audience somewhat invested in the mad King.

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Speaker 3: You have to kind of like him a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise you're just kind of room for him to go down.

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Speaker 5: I have one more pitch, please, But I've been sitting

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Speaker 5: here thinking about it ever since YA mentioned comedy. I

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Speaker 5: would like a workplace comedy about the builders at Heron Hall.

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Speaker 2: You are building the towers.

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Speaker 5: And it's just about their daily lives, and it ends

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Speaker 5: with dragons coming and melting, the castle melting it.

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Speaker 3: You can also do that with the red heap right

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Speaker 3: Meg or just at the end Megor executes every Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 5: I think that's the perfect Thros comedy because it ends

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Speaker 5: in the way that George would end things.

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Speaker 3: And there were no.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for joining This is super fun.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to check back with you all again. Please

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Speaker 1: plug all of your shows. Where can folks find you?

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Speaker 3: We're History of West Ros. That's the name of our show.

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Speaker 3: You can find us that way, on YouTube, on any

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Speaker 3: podcast platform, and on social media. We actually a few

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Speaker 3: months ago did an episode on jer Harry's The Second

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Speaker 3: So there you go, right on right there.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and we're a storm of spoilers. Is just a

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Speaker 5: storm of spoilers dot com. We'll get you to all

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Speaker 5: of our links. We got YouTube, we got podcast links,

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Speaker 5: we got a Patreon.

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Speaker 2: We're all over the place, Dave and I.

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Speaker 1: Well, wonderful to talk to you again, Thanks so much

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