WEBVTT - 11. Closing Arguments 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:04.080 Murder on Songbird Road is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:11.120 Previously on Murder on Songbird Road. It's crucial to recognize 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.840 the ripple effect of Beverly's conviction on her immediate family, 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:19.360 and in Jaden's case, those ripples were more like shock waves. 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.640 Miss Jade, missed, my mom, miss a lot of people. 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.920 I made Mom promise to stay strong in the jail, 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:26.799 and I'll stay. 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:27.240 Strong for her. 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.440 In August of twenty twenty four, nearly four years after 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:35.360 Jade's murder, Renee and Jaden were reunited with Beverly's three 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:36.760 youngest children. 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:38.959 And I can already see Julian every single while. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.919 The autopsy also revealed evidence that may have been mishandled, 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.360 and it involved a towel that was apparently tossed into 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:49.600 the body bag used to transport Jade to the morgue. 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:53.760 I just don't understand what person that was at that 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.680 crime scene that thought that that was the right thing 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:57.120 to do. 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:58.160 It's crazy. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.680 What else is crazy? Of time it took for the 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:06.200 then forensic pathologists to turn around Jade Beasley's autopsy. It 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.080 took over a year to turn around the autopsy. Did 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:10.800 you ever get any reason as. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:11.959 To why I did not. 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.679 At the end of August twenty twenty four, Bob and 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.959 I were back in Marian again, knocking on doors on 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:19.679 or around Songbird. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.520 Road, and I was looking out the window and then 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.080 the camera was videotaping him, and. 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.720 He just kept knocking and knocking and waiting, and I 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:29.200 was an answer. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.040 So a shirtless guy and he looked like he was 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.640 under the influence of drugs or a mental illness. 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:35.440 Yeah, he did. 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.680 I have not been here in thirty years and more. 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:49.440 They still have the video, really really wow. And guess 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:50.520 who now has the video? 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:51.440 You? 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:57.120 Yep, I'm Lauren bred Pacheco and this is Murder on 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:19.160 Songbird Road. Over the past ten episodes, you've heard the 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:23.000 many pieces that came together to form an unfathomable story 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:27.560 of heartbreak. You have listened to the devastating aftermath, families 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:33.760 torn apart, relationships destroyed, siblings separated, and a community fractured 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:38.040 by the shocking, controversial, and brutal murder of Jade Beasley. 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:43.680 The biggest thing for me is that we were able 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:48.360 to be boots on the ground and investigate, to really 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:53.600 be able to kind of unpeel this onion. It just 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:57.040 had to be boots on the ground what we were 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.480 able to discover in this case, because remember we didn't 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.359 get the discovery in total. You know, we didn't have 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.400 that advantage, which again to me, speaks volumes, Lauren. I mean, 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.600 the fact that we were never provided with that always 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.480 tells me that they have something to hide. What is 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:17.280 the motivation of people not wanting to answer questions or 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:21.320 not providing information? It should make you suspicious, it certainly 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.160 does me. But us being able to get down there 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.560 to Marian as many times as that we did, and 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.160 go and knock on doors and talk to people face 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:34.160 to face and have that communication and that contact with them, 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.960 it's just a different thing. I mean, that's it's because 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.200 we care. It would be really easy to be. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.480 Just like guy I tried check that off the list. 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:43.480 You know. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:48.320 It's that persistence that is what drives these things. The 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:53.520 persistence is what creates information for us that we can 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:57.800 use to potentially lead us to other information which can 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:59.760 potentially lead us to answers. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.800 Bob Mada and I didn't take on covering this case 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.720 or Beverly's conviction without a great deal of forethought. We 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:12.000 also didn't enter this investigation with preconceived notions. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.080 I cannot say this enough. 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.240 When you and I got into this in the beginning 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.440 of it, neither one of us had formed any kind 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.920 of opinion as to innocence or killed at all. 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.560 I agree, But also I think that the fact that 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.640 we went in with no agenda right is what ultimately 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:35.760 motivated us, because if we were just literally convinced she 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.960 was innocent or convinced she was guilty, we would have given. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.600 Up totally, totally. 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:41.360 There would be no. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:48.799 Point right once you really land where we have landed now, 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:54.120 and that was not an easy place to land, because 0:04:54.160 --> 0:05:00.280 what you're doing is you're opening yourself up for not 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:05.520 just criticism, but real animosity. Yeah, because people like to 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:12.400 believe if something was tried that it's done, it's finished. 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.280 You don't go back and muddy. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:15.679 Up the waters. 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.000 And it's a difficult thing too, because we know that 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:23.760 we're dealing with very real lives and very real emotions, 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:28.360 very real grief and trauma. It has taken us well 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.599 over a year and a half to reach the point 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:31.480 we're at now. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.440 I think that some of the bad facts, as we 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.840 call them, that exists will still have people wondering because 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.920 some people can never get over those bad facts. Once 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:47.200 that gavel hits after twelve people have deemed somebody guilty, 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.719 it's really hard to erase it completely because the mindset 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.680 being that, all right, well, no matter how screwed up 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.960 the trial was, the fact is that they had enough 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:01.960 evidence to convince it. You're that she did it, despite 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.760 the fact that it went unchecked and unchallenged, which is 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.560 really the entire point of a trial, you know, to 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.479 vet the evidence from beginning to end. This thing was 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.680 just a railroad job in the sense of what was 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.839 allowed in and how it flowed and just all the 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.560 little things that happened. We can't do it justice in 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:26.120 terms of really articulating just how messed up this trial was. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:28.799 You know what, you just gave me the words. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:33.000 It was a railroad job that went off the rails. 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:34.360 It was that bad. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:35.480 It was that bad. 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.159 So now, in terms of where we have landed, let's 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:45.520 just quickly address that. I do understand how people can 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.279 still have some reservations about what you and I have 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:54.840 referred to as bad facts, but it is undeniable that 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.880 Julia Beverly did not get a fair trial. 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.320 Right. There's no Quoestan. 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.360 We were told that what we now have video of 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:10.000 was an impossibility, that nobody's knocking on doors. We believed 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.920 it when we went down on the first trip. We 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:17.080 looked around and said, nobody has ring camera footage here. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.840 This isn't the place where you get foot traffic, and 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:24.200 lo and behold, that's exactly what happened. And if they 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.640 had done a proper investigation, they would have discovered it 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:34.600 within two months of the murder. We have spent far 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.560 more time investigating this case than the four days that 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.640 had been spent when former Williamson County State's Attorney Brandon 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.880 Sonati announced Jade Beasley's death at the same press conference 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.920 in which he announced Julia Beverly's arrest, Although he spun 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:51.960 it this way. 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.880 There's, as I said, you know, any given time, twenty 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:59.320 people working this, you know, like I said, working around 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.680 the clock. These things just don't happen overnight. 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.680 You know, we have to you know, we have to. 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.720 Follow the rules. You know, we have to you know, 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.880 conduct these investigations we have you know, under you know, 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:16.360 constitutional safeguards and constraints, and you know, ideally like it 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.160 to be wrapped up and tied up now, but unfortunately 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.720 I said it's not. It's still going to take some time. 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:26.160 It took just four days for the investigation to conclude 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.600 it had gathered enough evidence to arrest twenty nine year 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:33.840 old Julia Elaine Beverly, though even that decision came with 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.640 a disclaimer pursue it. 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.680 To Supreme Court rule, I must remind the public that 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.959 charges are not evidence of guilt. A defendant is presumed 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.440 innocent and is entitled to a fair trial, on which 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.160 the government has the burden of proving guilt beyond a 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:47.959 reasonable doubt. 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.880 The state was tasked with the burden to prove Julia 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:56.800 Beverly's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Having processed everything you've 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:00.400 now heard, do you think they met that burden? Here 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.480 is the opinion of one former juror. 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:08.240 After listening to the podcast and listening to you guys, saw, 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:13.080 I feel like I've definitely got a different perspective of 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:14.240 reasonable doubt. 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.000 I kind of feel like because you're coming up. 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:23.880 With different alternatives to what there supposedly was, and I 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.440 feel like it's a different ball game. 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:32.040 In our previous episode, we shared audio from ring camera 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.200 footage of an unknown intruder banging on a door on 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:39.679 Songbird Road, just weeks after Jade Beasley's murder. Here is 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.520 that jurors reaction to seeing that video? 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:48.240 So many thoughts, so many thoughts. I know some people 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.240 will be like, oh, but that was two months later. Okay, 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.120 it was two months later. But also it was only 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.600 two months later, and it was a man matching the 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:04.240 same description and stuff, the same body build that Julie games. 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.520 And if this man was clearly on drugs, you should 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.480 have been on drugs two months earlier trying to get 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.600 somebody else's house and stumbled upon Jays. 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:18.360 If you had seen that video during the trial, do 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.640 you think that would have changed things in terms of 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:21.760 the jury's deliberation. 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.720 I think it could have, guess. I think the fact 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.520 that the guy matching the same description was trying to 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.360 get into another house on the same road. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:36.080 So let me ask you this, had you been given 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:40.840 everything that was presented in the podcast, how would that 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:45.600 have impacted the deliberation in your opinion? 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:55.120 Honestly, after listening to you and Bob, if the defense 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.680 could have presented a case like you guys, did I 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:00.240 feel like we would have had to have said, should 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:00.920 work with guilty. 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.520 Additionally, on April third of twenty twenty one, so less 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.320 than two months after the video of the unknown porch 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.680 intruder was taped on Songbird Road, there was a home 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.640 invasion in Marion committed by an intruder brandishing a knife. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.440 A woman told police a man had come in through 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.480 an open window and threatened her with a knife. She 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.280 was injured, but the assailant fled the scene. At the time, 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.440 police were asking anyone who might have seen something or 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.760 who might have video surveillance in the area to contact 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:36.600 them with information, but that request was apparently contradicted when 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:40.120 a local crime watch page posted the incident and people 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:44.560 began weighing in with tips and speculations. Here's Renee High Tower. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:49.120 There was a post on the crime watch page run 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:53.040 by Becky Grimes, and there was a lot of people 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.800 commenting under there saying that there was a lot of 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.960 similarities in the incident with Jade. 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.560 There was another intruder breaking into a home with. 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:12.040 A knife, threatened to harm this woman actually did cut her, 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:18.760 I believe, and then got away, and they were striking similarities. 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:24.120 Then I started noticing the comments disappear and I sent 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:28.160 a direct message private message to Becky Grimes. I told 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.199 her some people are more comfortable speaking on her and 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.200 I said, I know the police are watching the page 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.520 because they get tips from social media all the time. 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:40.080 And she said, yeah, I know they're watching my page. 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.240 And she said they're the ones who told me to 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:43.199 take it down when it. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:47.320 Veers into Julie's case. And I said to police and 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:53.120 she said yes. And I was just in disbelief, shocked 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:54.240 that she just said that. 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:58.160 Becky Grimes, the woman who ran that Facebook page, has 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.720 subsequently passed away, but high Tower has shared the text 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:06.120 message exchange with her that backs Renee's version of the events. 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.000 High Tower then went to the Marian police station in person. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.200 I went down to that police station and I was 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.760 telling the alswer, this sounds a lot like my daughter's. 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.600 He first takes my information, he's got his pain going, telling. 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.360 Him it looks a lot like my dog. He put 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:23.959 his pen down and sat back in his chair and 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:28.959 just stared at me and didn't say another word. And 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.280 I said, well, I think it connects. You're not even 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.440 listening to me. You're not right now, I said, I 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.360 he was just going to quit listening your time and I left, 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.960 and I realized, this is never going to be any 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:41.920 kind of help from law enforcement whatsoever. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:47.480 Why wouldn't law enforcement want possible tips pertaining to Jade 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:48.439 Beasley's murder? 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.400 What can you take away from it other than that's scary, 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.800 and it's scary for all the reasons that Flom was 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:57.640 talking about. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.800 That that other part of these. 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.960 Wrong convictions that people just tend to kind of forget about, 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.360 which is when they convict the wrong person, that the 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:11.280 actual killer is still roaming free, free to create havoc 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.959 and make mischief and kill people. Further, which, if you're 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:20.080 the community that's the taxpayer that's paying for these people's 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.200 salaries who have a job. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:26.400 To do, that would upset me and it should upset you. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:27.760 What are they afraid of? 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:28.160 What? 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.800 Why would an investigation be afraid of people questioning the 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:39.560 investigation in the early stages of it, offering another option 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.800 that would have forced them to deviate from their tunnel vision. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:59.200 Murder on Songbird Road will return after the break. Now 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:03.840 back to mur on Songbird Road. While the podcast was 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.720 in production, Julia Beverly from prison was also going through 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:12.800 trial transcripts, journaling and sharing thoughts with Renee. One recovered 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.560 memory she experienced was that the door to the bathroom 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.840 Jade was in was locked, and that Beverly spent time 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.960 finding pliers to unlock it. Here's Renee. 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:25.600 I don't know if she had them in her hand 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.840 or where she put them. Don't know where they went to, 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.280 but she had to go to the laundry room to 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:31.640 get them out of this toolbox. 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:38.200 Okay, I'm just wondering after exactly, but that's important because 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:43.440 they could conceivably be in the crime scene photos. Sure enough, 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:47.640 when we finally received the inventory listing, those pliers were 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.600 mentioned and were found next to the bathroom a top 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.200 of laundry basket in the hall. Beverly also recalled seeing 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.640 a crime scene photo of the interior front door knob, 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.400 depicting a short light hair in embedded in what appears 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.840 to be blood. This is significant because of the hair's 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.920 length and color. Beverly's hair is dark, long and curly, 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:12.080 and Jade's hair fell past her shoulders. Here's Renee. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.600 She said there's a picture, and she remembers it now 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.480 that she's seen it in testimony. There's a hair in 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:23.560 the blood on the doorknob of the front door collected. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.120 Possibly don't know, but no, for sure it wasn't tested. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.120 A light colored hair and she said it may be 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.320 an inch and a half long at best. She said 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:36.440 you could see it plain as day. 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:38.080 I wonder where that is. 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:43.560 Yeah, yeah, So I was like, you've got to be 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.240 hidden me. There's a hair, Yes, there's a hair. 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:48.880 And whose blood is on the doorknob? 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:53.000 Jade's And that's the thing. There weren't very many samples. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.040 I think it was twenty nine samples that were sent off. 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.560 Now was it the inside or the outside doorknob? 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:01.200 The inside? 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.639 And then she said that she could because she had 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.719 a storm door and then the inside door. And Julie 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.200 said she could swear in the pictures there was blood 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.640 on the storm door, on the inside of the storm door. 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.840 And they never tested it because they said, oh, it 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:23.200 looks like mud, never tested, never swapped, so it looks 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:24.920 like somebody brushed against it going out. 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.680 I've reached out to Williamson County with a foyer request 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.639 for that photo, along with several others. My request was 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:36.439 denied and I shared the response with Bob. Does that 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:37.639 surprise you? 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.600 No, I mean, at this point of course, not your 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:45.120 foyer request. Journey has been legendary. I mean you've gone 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.960 up to the age. I mean you've gotten some results, 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.720 but it's still just been like pulling teeth. 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:53.280 It's been pulling teeth. 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.160 Yeah, Well, we get are the things that they think 0:17:56.200 --> 0:18:00.800 are probably benign, the least problematic for them. They're the 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.399 things that they think can't hurt them. And we're still 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:07.959 finding shit. We're still finding just inconsistencies and things that 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:12.480 bug us, which only adds fuel to the fire in 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.359 terms of us wanting to see more that the concept 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.480 that there was an unknown hair on the inside of 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:24.280 the door that was covered in blood could only indicate 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:26.720 that it could have been left. 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:29.080 How wasn't that tested. 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.240 I've also reached out to the Williamson County Sheriff and 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.680 the state's attorney for explanation as to why it took 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.239 over fourteen months and a court order to complete and 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:44.600 file Jade Beasley's autopsy report while they've ignored my request. 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.800 Former crime scene investigator Katie Hartman finds the turnaround time 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:50.240 highly unusual. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.679 Since you reached out to me, I talked to another 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.600 friend of mine who is a lieutenant with their homicide 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:00.280 that just to double check with him because he would 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:05.080 receive the final pathology reports on our homicide victims. And 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.040 I asked him what was the longest he ever had 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.960 to wait. He said, at the most three months, So 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.760 I thought it was an extraordinary amount of time to 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:20.840 get a final report from the pathologists. Do we know, Lauren, 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:26.080 was the pathology report done? It just wasn't released, so 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:27.840 we don't know. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.600 We just know that it wasn't in the discovery and 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:38.240 the court had to compel the completion of the report. 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.520 And the reason why I asked that is it's dated, 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:45.560 as you know, twelve six, twenty twenty. These findings are 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.919 precise and they are final, so I wonder if it 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.720 was finished in twenty twenty, but it's been held up 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:59.680 for whatever reason or whatever mistake or whatever miscommunication for 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:00.880 two years. 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:05.679 When the defense went to reference, it realized that it 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:10.639 hadn't been filed and so asked for it, and the 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:16.600 court had to compel to get the finished autopsy, which 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:23.320 again wasn't signed until February fourth, twenty twenty two. It 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:28.840 wasn't signed, it wasn't submitted, it wasn't filed, it wasn't completed. 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:32.119 So it wasn't submitted to the state. No. I mean, so, 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:37.159 how can prosecution charge anybody with murder without a final 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:41.480 finding from a pathologist who did the autopsy? That's what 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:43.879 I want to know. Do you understand what I'm asked? 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:49.159 There's a lot in this autopsy that I cannot understand 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:54.520 how it was not submitted immediately and why things weren't 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.080 followed up on. There's a few things in here that 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:56.600 should have been. 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:57.119 Followed up on. 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:02.879 She had round contusions in the autopsy. She refers to 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.720 them as circular contusions. I think one's on her jaw. 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.920 So implying that she was hit with an object. 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:15.399 Possibly or somebody had a ring on or something like that. 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:17.400 You know, you got to look at all these things. 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.920 That's evidence. I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not ANME. 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.440 ME is an abbreviation for medical examiner. 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.920 I'm a cramecy investigators. So if I'm having a meeting 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.320 with a prosecutor about a murder case, I'm gonna ask 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.200 do you have everything you need? Do you have all 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.400 of my reports? Do you have the me's report. I mean, 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:41.040 I don't get why you can prosecute or have a 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:45.560 prosecution without an autopsy report. How's that allowed. 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.960 We do not wish to sensationalize the autopsy's findings in 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:53.640 a graphic way. But in addition to the circular contusions, 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.760 there are other things mentioned in the autopsy that may 0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:01.680 have benefitted preparation for both the defense and prosecution if 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:06.359 more thoroughly examined and or tested. For example, Jade's next 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:10.000 showed scratches and keeping with attempted strangulation, and there were 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:11.679 hairs found on her body. 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:18.440 The autopsy is a part of the investigation. It's there 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:23.920 to answer calls death, manner of death, everything, what exactly 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:29.840 killed the person. I mean, these things are in here 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:34.160 about what exactly killed her and how, But there are 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:39.800 so many other facts that are raised, or injuries that 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:44.320 are raised that no one even questioned. We're doing things 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:48.000 that a defense attorney should have looked at and said, 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.800 well what about this and what about that? And while 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.520 a prosecutor didn't bring up some things, you know, you 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:59.080 can use some of these injuries to compare to Beverly's. 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.359 Does she work rings? What about a fair nail clippings? 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:04.840 We've got those, let's send them. I mean, I don't 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:06.880 understand any of it. I don't get it. 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:11.680 You're preaching to the converted and speaking of nail scrapings. 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.600 While Jades were tested, there was something discovered but not 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.200 further tested, that was a bit buried during the trial. 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:24.440 Here is Beverly's defense attorney's closing statement from the transcript, verbatim. 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.400 The DNA could have told us something from the nails 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:33.400 if the state hadn't been so short sighted defendants. Exhibit 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:36.880 seven was shown to doctor Reich after he was asked 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:41.600 was it only X or only female DNA found under jade? 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:45.240 And he had to say, no, no, it's not. These 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:49.200 are jades nails. These are the white chromosomes. It might 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:52.359 have been a minuscule amount popping on two different areas, 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:56.280 but it's there. It just doesn't fit the state's theory. 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.879 I'm done with this now, Judge. Of course, we'll never know, 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:04.400 or we don't know what was on Julie's hands, what 0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:08.400 was under Julie's nails. The state also decided to not 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:14.680 test it might not fit their story unknown male DNA 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:21.560 under Jdb's Lee's fingernails, which was downplayed at trial. 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:25.440 If you're a person that's out there and you hear 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:28.160 of all the things that weren't done, that do exist 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:31.159 that should have been done in terms of evidence and 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:34.840 things that should have been tested, and you're still sitting 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:37.080