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Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is

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Speaker 1: Cal's weekend review, presented by Steel. Steel products are available

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Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, right, Cal Callahan. It

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Speaker 1: is now illegal to fish from under a bridge in

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Speaker 1: Cape Coral, Florida. That's right, the nation, in the state

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Speaker 1: of Florida, which if I had to live there and

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Speaker 1: Can now rest easy? I'm sure you can guess the

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Speaker 1: complaints trash under the bridges, cars parked near the bridges,

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Speaker 1: but you know, to my knowledge, parking nearer bridge is

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Speaker 1: still illegal, and people who leave trash under bridges aren't

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Speaker 1: necessarily there to fish. One Cape Coral resident said, the

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Speaker 1: fishing under the bridge scene got so bad that someone

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Speaker 1: was fishing from his at night. Scary stuff. Of course,

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Speaker 1: other residents of Cape Coral are upset as walking to

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Speaker 1: Can you believe all the other media outlets are covering

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Speaker 1: the Russian invasion of Ukraine while tiny Cape Coral, Florida

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Speaker 1: Tiny Cape Coral, Florida standing up to people who want

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Speaker 1: to fish to give you an idea of what they

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Speaker 1: are up against. In two thousand twenty, the state of

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Speaker 1: Florida had two point four million active recreational fishing licenses,

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Speaker 1: over one hundred and twenty thousand jobs related to fishing,

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Speaker 1: impact related to fishing, which I am sure is important

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Speaker 1: to Florida and Cape Coral, Florida as long as you

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Speaker 1: don't do it under a bridge. This week we've got

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Speaker 1: the crime desk, wolves, white tails, and open fields. But

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Speaker 1: first I'm gonna tell you about my week. And my

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Speaker 1: week was good. Well, snore to kiss, and I are

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Speaker 1: back into the swing of training spring training. I guess

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Speaker 1: you'd call it working on our backs and overs and

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Speaker 1: not dropping the darned dummy before I say give Repetition

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Speaker 1: fixes everything. I'm confident we'll get there. And speaking of

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Speaker 1: getting there, I'm looking forward to getting over to Missoula, Montana,

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Speaker 1: to the back Country Hunters and Anglers Rendezvous. If you've

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Speaker 1: never been, I encourage you to go. Tickets are on

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Speaker 1: sale now. Lots of seminars ranging from tracking skills to legislation,

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Speaker 1: wild game cookoffs, gear and serious storytelling both structured and

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Speaker 1: non That's happening again in Missoula, Montana, May fifteen. I'll

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Speaker 1: be there. You should go. I'll see you there. On

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Speaker 1: top of that, the new season of Cal in the Field,

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Speaker 1: the YouTube series tied to this podcast, is live now

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Speaker 1: on the meat Eater YouTube channel. Check that out and remember,

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Speaker 1: And last but not least, the Land Access Initiative that's

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Speaker 1: where we raise a bunch of money and donate a

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Speaker 1: fishing is live right now. Go to the meat Eater

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Speaker 1: even submit a property or project for me to take

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Speaker 1: a look at. Here's an example for you. There's a

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Speaker 1: near anything per se. It's great hunting ground primarily for

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Speaker 1: The letter urges the Secretary to appeal a recent court

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Speaker 1: on to the legislation desk, first up, Minnesota, h F

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Speaker 1: a voluntary herd buyout program. HF three three allocates funds

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