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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Bonnie and Clyde have been greatly romanticized. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Because it's nothing like in the movies are on TV.

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Speaker 1: at least five dead victims that we know of crime

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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. It's not romantic, and it's not

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Speaker 1: They can hide behind their moniker body and Clyde, but

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Speaker 1: Grace this is crime story. Thank you for being with

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Speaker 1: us here at Thoughts Nation in Sirius XM one eleven,

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Speaker 1: listen to this bigger reward being offered right now for

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Speaker 1: new information and two heinous murders now connected by forensics.

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Speaker 1: Whoever shot these two to death in separate parts of

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Speaker 1: the Saint Louis County community is still on the streets.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stoppers is elevating the reward from fifteen to thirty

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Speaker 1: an arrest fast. Saturday night, just before eleven, Barbara Goodkin

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Speaker 1: hour later, someone shot doctor Sergei Zakarev to death in

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Speaker 1: Brentwood and play say this silver vehicle caught by multiple

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Speaker 1: surveillance cameras may have been involved in both shootings. A

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Speaker 1: hearing Samantha Jones and Corey start speaking. Let me introduce

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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, former felony prosecutor, now renowned defense attorney in

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction and really across the country. You can

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Speaker 1: find him at CCA L Law dot com. Doctor Joy Crossen,

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Speaker 1: Police Psychologist Faculty, Saint Leo University Research consultant, Blue Wall Institute,

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Speaker 1: Author Operation s O S. Doctor Priya Banerjee, Board certified

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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, Rhode Island. Lenny DePaul, former Chief Inspector Commander

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Speaker 1: US Marshals. Reporter Christy O'Connor with WBTV News Charlotte WBTV

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Speaker 1: dot com. Christie, this is quite the ball of yarn.

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Speaker 1: What a mess, But we know it all starts with

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Speaker 1: the murders of the seemingly unconnected people. But take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our forensic KMOV four. Corbatov says Zakarev spend

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Speaker 1: but statistically, Daryl Cohen, what's wrong with men? Now? I

424
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: understand why I've been called a man hater, but it's

425
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: always a and what is a man involved in practically

426
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: every violent felony? Why? Why Daryl? Look, Nancy, when you

427
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: and I were prosecuting. We know that of our violent

428
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: criminal offenders were men. We as men tend to protect.

429
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: We as men tend to go out too far. We

430
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: as men tend to be jerks. Sometimes women are far

431
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: more close to the vest, and when women kill, it's

432
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: normally not cereal. Although we were obviously involved in a

433
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: wasn't a test, nooster, No, it was a yeah, you're

434
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: gonna blame it on biology. Well, you know, I'll let

435
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: you go ahead and do that. Time Stories with Nancy

436
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: Grace to you. Christy O'Connor, reporter anchor WBTV joining us

437
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: out of Charlotte, North Carolina. Christie, tell me where did

438
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: they get the grab of a female? How they connect

439
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: a female? Well, she this woman was identified in surveillance

440
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: footage that they were homing through in the Saint Louis area.

441
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: So that's how they knew a female may have been involved.

442
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: They just need to identify who this woman was. Well,

443
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: go ahead, yeah, Nancy's Lenny back up just a little

444
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: bit with respect to those surveillance cameras and what they

445
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: picked up on. They got a partial plate at first,

446
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,719
Speaker 1: and then they continue to look at other security cameras

447
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: in the area and whatnot. They were able to get

448
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: a big shot or you know, a shot of the

449
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: plate itself, so when they ran it did come back stolen. However,

450
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: the LPRs a license plate readers picked up on that

451
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: plate in a specific area and that's how they get

452
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: to I believe it was North City the area. But

453
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: that's how they get there, right, And then they're knocking

454
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: on doors, they're talking to people, and then then they

455
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: get people identified inside the car. In fact, they put

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00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: them in a hotel, said that they were there buying

457
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: narcotics or something. Lenny, you know, but you got me

458
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: drinking on the fire hijra here, Because that's a lot

459
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: of information. Would you just slow down and say one

460
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: more time please? Yeah, it's that fugitive investigator part and

461
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: part of me go back a little bit. So with

462
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: respect to the surveillance cameras, they picked up originally on

463
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: a partial plate and the ID the vehicles it was

464
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: a hatchback I think Mitsubichi silver and color. They continued

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Speaker 1: to look at surveillance cameras in the area partial plight,

466
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: hatchback miss bish silver and color. Go ahead, Yeah, they

467
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: continued to look at surveillance cameras, security cameras in the area.

468
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: They were able to get a complete shot of the

469
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Speaker 1: plate itself. That plate came back stolen from a truck

470
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: company I believe, or from a truck right right at

471
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: that point, the local law enforcement to put that plate

472
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: into their license plate reader database. It did get picked

473
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: up on in a specific area. They responded to that area.

474
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: They started Q and A and people knocking on doors.

475
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: They were able to establish or they it came down

476
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: to people saying, yeah, we know who they are. They're

477
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: here buying narcotics and factors staying in this particular hotel.

478
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: They respond to the hotel and they hit They hit

479
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: the jackpot there with respect to surveillance cameras there. They

480
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: were able to identify the woman and they thought that

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00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: was consistent with a possible homicide that had happened in

482
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Speaker 1: South Carolina. So with her identification, you know, at that point,

483
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: they had people, they had names. You know, you go

484
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: from zero two hundred miles an hour as a man hunter,

485
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: as a futures investigator, you now identified that ghost. So

486
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: you're you're turning their world's upside down at that point. Man,

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00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: You're good, Sorry, Oh, I get the whole command or

488
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: US Marshall service thing. Wow, Lenny. I mean when I'm

489
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: hearing partial plate and then plate grab, license grab, those

490
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: are the things you pass a lot of times on

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00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: the interstate. They're sticking up on a looks like a

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00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: metal rod and it's a little panel. They're grabbing the

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00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: information from your tag and I'm fine with that. A

494
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: lot of people think it's in trus I don't have

495
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: a problem with that, because that's how we're going to

496
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: catch these killers. Take a listen to Jamala goss our

497
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: cut eight Fox forty six. The FBI atf and sled

498
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: or assisting in the search, and they're reminding people to

499
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: lock their doors, remove any valuables from your car, and

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00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: remove firearms from your vehicles. Authority say Terry is armed

501
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: and should be considered extremely dangerous. As a search continues,

502
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: authority say, welfare checks and residents and businesses will continue.

503
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: Who is this guy, Tyler Terry to Aceh reporter or

504
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: Christy O'Connor WBTV, Who is this guy? He's just twenty

505
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: six years old. How could he have done so many

506
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: horrific things at that young age. It's a great question

507
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: I wish I had to answer for you. Yeah, and

508
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: you know what I deviated. I normally don't say, oh wow,

509
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: why would he do that? Who is this guy? Not

510
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: only I want to know jurisdiction, perpetrator, facts that can

511
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: prove a case. But once in a while I get

512
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: crazy and want to know who is this person and why.

513
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: But what I do know right now is thanks in

514
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: a large part too tedious, tedious police work coming through

515
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: video license grabbers bambin on doors. I mean, when you

516
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: look at video for hours and hours and hours to

517
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: catch every freeze frame, that is hard work. But they

518
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: did it. And Christy O'Connor the one guy, this guy,

519
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 1: twenty six year old Tyler Terry, leads us somewhere else.

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00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut thirteen Marino Boyle. There

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00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: is another person facing charges in all of that. This

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00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: is Adrian Simpson. As you saw her mug shot a

523
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: moment ago. Deputy say Simpson is the one who drove

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Speaker 1: Terry's getaway car in several of the crimes, including the

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00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: murders in Missouri. Her first court appearance was Tuesday, just

526
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: hours after she was taken in. Her bond was denied.

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00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: She is in the Chester County Detention Center right now

528
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: she's facing a traffic charge in connection to that chase

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00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: that started the man hunt Monday. Simpson is also charged

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00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: with two counts of accessory to felony murder and now,

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Speaker 1: as we mentioned the breaking news, she is also charged

532
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: with murder in the death of her husband oh Man.

533
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: The plot is thickening and why would a woman get

534
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: tangled up with a guy like this Tyler Terry? Listen

535
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: to our friends a wb TV. The last six days

536
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: have been tough for Carol de Wit. She spoke to

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00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: her daughter Adrian Simpson in a brief phone call from

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00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: the Chester County jail, and police are holding Adrian Simpson

539
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: because of her alleged connection to the four murders. Twenty

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00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: six year old Tyler Terry is accused of committing. This

541
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: includes the disappearance and death of her husband, Eugene s Sin.

542
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: Dewitte tells me her daughter and Eugene have been separated

543
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 1: for several years but remained friends. She says her daughter

544
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: started dating Tyler Terry in twenty eighteen. He was a

545
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: piece of physically, verbally, mentally. Dewitte took these photos of

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00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: Adrian after, she says, Terry was arrested for beating her.

547
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: She told me, Tyler, she told me, that's a couple

548
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: of times. Why do you see going back? Said Mamma

549
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: love her? She said, maybe, am just hang in there, Okay,

550
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: I really need a shrink right now. I mean, tell

551
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: the kids I love them seriously, If you love them,

552
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: why are you the Bonnie part of a Bonnie and

553
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: Clyde cereal killing machine? If you love your children, I mean,

554
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: help me out, doctor Jerry Crossen, you're the psychologist. I

555
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: love them, and so I'm afraid of him. So therefore

556
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: I rod as a getaway person and he helps shoot

557
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: and kill innocent, unsuspecting victims. That's not fitting together for me. No,

558
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: there's so many, you know, different psychological theories you could apply.

559
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: But with this individual, I mean what she was telling

560
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: her mother. You know, I love him, and I think

561
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: I can change him if I hang in there. Who

562
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: wants to change him? Just get away from him? Yeah,

563
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: But they get connected through this excitement with that domestic violence,

564
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: and it's different levels of violence where you know that

565
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: they experienced the violence. Then they have this makeup between

566
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: the two of them and they're back in love again,

567
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 1: and it cycles over and over again, and that can

568
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: easily as we see here, I could even conjecture this

569
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: going out to the murders that they committed. Definitely, the

570
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: mail in this, he was the driving orchestrator of this.

571
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: And you know she kind of went along, but she

572
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: played some metrical parts in there, you know, especially getting

573
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: to her. You know what, She's just as guilty as him.

574
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. You know, after the first murder, when you

575
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: realize you're taking someone's life. She had the chance right

576
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: then to back out. She had a chance before then

577
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: to back out. But when you say, tell the kids,

578
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: I love them, really, do you love them enough to

579
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: go be with them, to work a regular job nine

580
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: to five every day to support them? Do you love

581
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: them enough to sacrifice what you want to help them

582
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: achieve what they want? Much less drag some good for

583
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: nothing man prone to violence around your children? Oh hell no,

584
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: hey man, she didn't love them enough to do that.

585
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: What go ahead? Trying to tell me I'm wrong, And Nancy,

586
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you're wrong. I'm wondering if she didn't

587
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: orchestrate this whole thing, you know, just because she does saying, hey,

588
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: we finally like something you've said. You're right and all

589
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: this time, remember Gerald Cohen to buttress what you are saying.

590
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: They can't urr. But she doesn't give him up. He's

591
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: still on the loose. Take a listen to Jamal Fox

592
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: Fox forty six efforts have been beefed up in the

593
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: search for Tyler Terry. More than one hundred law enforcement

594
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: officers are searching for him right now. Choppers have been

595
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: in the air most of the day while search dogs

596
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: and lawforcement officers search the woods. Tonight makes almost a

597
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: week since Terry has been on the run. Proopers in

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00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office have been, you know, really doing a

599
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: pretty good job trying to find him. But he's really

600
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: really elusive. There's no question that he's determined. But also

601
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: we're calling the question what state of mind he's in.

602
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: Certainly he's tired. We have evidence to believe that he's

603
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: not well. To Christian O'Connor, how does this guy keep

604
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: eluding police, Yeah, that's a great question. My understanding is

605
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: that he was living in the woods prior to when

606
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: they were searching for him, so I think he was

607
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: familiar with surviving without a whole lot of amenities. But

608
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: it still was pretty mind boggling that it took so long,

609
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: and law enforcement there was I mean, there was hundreds

610
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: of them out And I reminds you of somebody, Christie

611
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: O'Connor that I know you're going to know the name,

612
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: Eric Rudolf, the Atlanta Olympic bomber. He lived in the

613
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 1: woods for a really long time and I hate that guy.

614
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: Not only did he do the Olympic bombing, but he

615
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: then bombs some abortion clinics. And when my investigator that

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00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: you know well, Daryl Cohen, my personal investigator that helped

617
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: me on every case, my partner went to the scene

618
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: of one of the bombings and while they're all standing there,

619
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: another bomb is time to go off, and shrapnel actually

620
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: hit my investigator. This guy, Rudolf alluded police and lived

621
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: for years in the wild. And this guy right here,

622
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: Terry Tyler Tyler Terry is doing the same thing. But

623
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Speaker 1: you know what, you can run, but you can't hide.

624
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: Take a look of our friends Fox forty six, our

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00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: cut sixteen breaking knew that noon Tyler Terry in custody.

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00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: Thereas Flox forty six exclusive video here of Terry being

627
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 1: brought in on the back of a pickup truck. Within

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Speaker 1: just the past hour and a half in Chester County.

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Speaker 1: So the sheriff says that basically they were able to

630
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: secure that cerimeter, that perimeter excuse me, that they had

631
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: around the area of Highway nine, and they were able

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00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: to capture him safely. So take a look. This is

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00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: Louisville High School right across the street. This is where

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Speaker 1: we've been set up all throughout the afternoon, watching as

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Speaker 1: officers kind of cheered when they were able to bring

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Speaker 1: Tyler Terry in safely. The officers cheered, and I guess

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Speaker 1: they did working day and night twenty four seven to

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Speaker 1: catch the Clyde part of the Bonnie and Clyde scenario.

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Speaker 1: And it's just burning me up that they are being

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Speaker 1: romanticized right now as Bonnie and Clyde modern day Christy O'Connor.

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Speaker 1: How many dead bodies do we know of? Is it

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Speaker 1: five and one? Nearly dead? We know that they are

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Speaker 1: charged with four homicides and they are suspects in a

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Speaker 1: fifth homicide out of Memphis, Tennessee, Memphis, Memphis. Yes, but

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Speaker 1: they have not formerly been charged in that homicide yet,

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Speaker 1: They're just suspected. And what do we believe was the motive?

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Speaker 1: Christy O'Connor A good question, because all of them don't

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Speaker 1: appear to be related at all. But law enforcement has

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Speaker 1: said that many of the cases were robberies and the

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Speaker 1: money to buy frugs. However, some of the cases we

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Speaker 1: know that they had personal connections with, such as Thomis

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Speaker 1: Heartened out of York, South Carolina, and you've seen Simpsons

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Speaker 1: Adrian husbands. They do have more personal connections there. Well. Fortunately,

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Speaker 1: the law is the state is not required to prove motive,

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Speaker 1: and that will give something for these two Tyler Terry

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Speaker 1: and his Bonnie Monicered agent Simpson, something for them to

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Speaker 1: think about while they twiddle their thumbs behind bars. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend,