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Speaker 1: Welcome in What's Driving the Gred Episode four sixty five.

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Speaker 1: This episode of What Driving the Red is presented to

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Speaker 1: you by Boost Mobile, and we officially have ourselves in

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Speaker 1: NBA Finals. At halftime, I did not think we were

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Speaker 1: going to have ourselves in NBA Finals, but the Spurs

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Speaker 1: clawed back thanks to about as good of a bounce

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Speaker 1: back game after the catastrophic into Game two as you're

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Speaker 1: going to see from a superstar in Victor Winmbinyama, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden now Game four feels like the

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Speaker 1: old vintage double must win. It's not. The Spurs need

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Speaker 1: it way, way more than the Knicks do, but there

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Speaker 1: will certainly be a level of anxiety and at least

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Speaker 1: amongst the fans panic if after then went to San

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Speaker 1: Antonio and took the first two, if the Spurs come

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Speaker 1: to New York and take the next, to something that's

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Speaker 1: never happened in NBA Finals history. Also today the triumphant

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Speaker 1: return of co host Demanse, who is fresh off a

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Speaker 1: third job, which is working with complex and complex bets.

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Speaker 1: I do want to save those full details for later

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Speaker 1: in the show, but if you follow you know us

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Speaker 1: on social media, you saw Demanse at a golf course

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Speaker 1: in Texas, hanging out with j R. Smith. Very cool.

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Speaker 1: How are you good to see you?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, pretty good. I've got no complaints. Life is

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Speaker 2: I've has been going pretty well last six months.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, see pretty well. I mean hell, I mean

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Speaker 1: you probably maybe want to extend that, like seven seven

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Speaker 1: months exactly seven on the don as of today, right,

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Speaker 1: isn't it the ninth? It is is today? So busy

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Speaker 1: it is today. The seven baby was more than seven

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Speaker 1: months ago, picked up another job, you know all of that.

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Speaker 1: So we will get to that later in the show,

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Speaker 1: but first straight to voicemail, brought to you by Boost Mobile.

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Speaker 1: The US loses, but I thought played awesome in their

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Speaker 1: sendoff match to Germany. Much more on the World Cup

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Speaker 1: on Thursday show, Caitlin Clark hits a game winning three

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Speaker 1: against the Mystics as she seems to be embroiled in

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Speaker 1: a bit of a slump and a little controversy and

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Speaker 1: Lugerious Snead returns to Kansas City. That was the most

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Speaker 1: Patriotsy thing the Chiefs have ever done as far as

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs dynasty trying to duplicate the Patriots dynasty. Have

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Speaker 1: a player that you pay almost nothing because she's a

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Speaker 1: mid round draft pick, develop him into a star, trade

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Speaker 1: him away, get a better draft pick back for him

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Speaker 1: than you spent on him. See that team give him

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Speaker 1: a great contract, watch him play very poorly and very

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Speaker 1: little for that new team to whin. They then cut him,

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Speaker 1: and then you once again bring him back into the

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Speaker 1: fold for almost no money. The Patriots did that countless

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Speaker 1: times over the course of their twenty year run. This

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Speaker 1: is one of the first times the Chiefs are doing that.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they might end up also doing that

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Speaker 1: with Tyreek Hill when he gets healthy. But the story

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Speaker 1: is Game three of the finals, Demons take it away.

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Speaker 2: So yesterday you believe that this series is over, but

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Speaker 2: this young Spurs team came back with a fight, gave

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Speaker 2: the Knicks a loss in their first game in thirteen games.

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Speaker 2: Are you still confident that the series is over?

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Speaker 1: I would be shocked if the Spurs won the series.

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Speaker 1: I had no point predicted a sweep, and I you know,

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Speaker 1: going into Game two, I thought the Knicks were going

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Speaker 1: the board that the Spurs were going to fold and

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Speaker 1: and so credit to the Spurs. I want to say

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Speaker 1: this on the front end, I think the the snap

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Speaker 1: analysis that I'm seeing from people, whether it be just

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing from people this morning, I think is misguided.

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Speaker 1: The two most popular opinions I'm seeing I disagree vehemently

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Speaker 1: with both of them. The first one is the whining

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Speaker 1: about the officiating. Listen and Mike Brown, while saying repeatedly

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Speaker 1: that the Knicks needed to be better blamed, you know,

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Speaker 1: was very critical of the refs. I did not think

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Speaker 1: that was an excellently officiated game. I also think Knicks

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Speaker 1: fans blaming the officiating for that loss are misguided. And

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Speaker 1: what I think is actually happening is Game two was

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Speaker 1: that game felt like it was an eighty twenty officiated game,

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Speaker 1: in the Spurs favor this game being a fifty five

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Speaker 1: more unfair because it feels compounding. I understand that, and

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Speaker 1: it is frustrating that the Knicks keep having to challenge

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Speaker 1: when the skurs, well we'll get to that. That's a

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Speaker 1: separate thing, and we'll get to that. And that was

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Speaker 1: to the Wimby Brunson thing because that's a separate discussion.

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Speaker 1: But the Knicks did not lose yesterday because of the officiating.

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Speaker 1: The Knicks lost yesterday because much like every team in

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Speaker 1: NBA history, they were unable to play fourteen excellent playoff

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Speaker 1: games in a row like they were do a bad performance,

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Speaker 1: and they weren't as connected defensively as they've been. Mitchell

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Speaker 1: They and despite all of that, there were mons that

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Speaker 1: it looked like they might steal it. In the second half,

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Speaker 1: absolutely nothing possession going and Wimby late in the shot

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Speaker 1: clock throws a grenade to Steph Castle, who, as excellent

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Speaker 1: a knockdown three point shooter. When that happened, I thought,

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Speaker 1: ball down for two minutes left, and Castle hit the

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Speaker 1: three to go up seven, and that essentially ended it. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Knicks made a couple crazy threes late where the

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Speaker 1: Spurs had to hit free throws, but the Knicks did

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Speaker 1: not play well enough to win that game flatly, and

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Speaker 1: they didn't deserve to win that game. And I understand

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Speaker 1: the frustration with the officialiating, but the frustration is should

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Speaker 1: be less about the fouls the Knicks got. I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: the fouls the calls the Spurs got. If you're gonna

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Speaker 1: if any Knicks fouls that were called that weren't fouls.

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Speaker 1: The reason the Spurs were in the bonus immediately because

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Speaker 1: then knows, oh, everyone who watches this is tweeting about officiating,

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Speaker 1: it becomes it. It becomes the story. Because a spark

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Speaker 1: leading the pod with it. It's a very you know,

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Speaker 1: weird way to consume sports media, or that the way

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Speaker 1: sports media honestly is created these days, and so maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm part of the problem. I don't know, but that

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Speaker 1: is what I'm seeing, So I don't The officiating was

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Speaker 1: awful in Game two, awful, and had the Knicks lost

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Speaker 1: that game, if I were a Knicks fan, I would

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Speaker 1: have been beside myself. Game three, the Knicks did not

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Speaker 1: I think people are panicked way too much about what

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Speaker 1: think the Knicks are totally fine, and I think the

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Speaker 1: in a double must winning game for when one team

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Speaker 1: it would just be okay, it's best of three going

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Speaker 1: back to San Antonio, where we've already won twice, speaks

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Speaker 1: to the fact that I do think there is still

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Speaker 1: in trouble, and I also don't think the officials cost

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Speaker 1: them that game. Now, before we get to any of

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Speaker 1: it was, a is a stunning visual which is whinby

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Speaker 1: grabbing the back of Brunson's head and shoving him early

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Speaker 1: first quarter. I do want to get your take on

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Speaker 1: this series up to this point, last night's game, whatever

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Speaker 1: you want, because you've been away on other projects, and

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Speaker 1: where you think the Spurs team that I think is

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Speaker 1: the team you've adopted for this postseason. Where you stand

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Speaker 1: on the series last night, all of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised that the Spurs have gotten themselves in

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Speaker 2: this situation, but it does make sense like the Knicks

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Speaker 2: it's strange that the Knicks lost that game last night

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Speaker 2: I think I think if the Spurs can win this

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Speaker 1: And it's so here's where I was, Here's where I

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Speaker 1: was surprised. I I thought at the end of the

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Speaker 1: first half the Knicks had won the game. I ought

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Speaker 1: the Knicks had not played well in the first half,

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Speaker 1: Wimby was playing great, and the fact that the Knicks

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Speaker 1: with a seven point lead, I thought that that was

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Speaker 1: half on fire, knowing we can win the championship in

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Speaker 1: this third quarter. If we put it on san Antonio

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Speaker 1: we we can make them do what we've made every

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Speaker 1: single previous opponent do in the playoffs, which is give up.

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Speaker 1: And instead they came out in that third quarter and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the game was being played on

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Speaker 1: san Antonio's terms the rest of the way.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's nothing. That's nothing for san Antonio either. I

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Speaker 2: being in that position, Like I think they'll be able

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Speaker 2: to do it again. Like all these games have been pretty.

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Speaker 1: Tight, unquestionably, and so no all the games have been

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Speaker 1: this was the only game that wasn't seemingly in the

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Speaker 1: balance in the final. Well, no, this was I mean

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Speaker 1: it's a four point game of two minutes left in

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Speaker 1: Castle has to hit the three. I do think the

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Speaker 1: Knicks will win Game four. I do think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: go up three to one, and I think right now,

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Speaker 1: I think the Knicks where I sit here today, I

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Speaker 2: So Wimby with his best game of the series after

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, I want to talk Wimby here. The Castle

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Speaker 1: that is not the only Wimby story from this game

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that I think Lowkey has to

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Speaker 1: Brunson gotten up and grabbed Wimby, yeah that would have

429
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Speaker 1: been a tech. But that would have they would have

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Speaker 1: stopped the game and they would have automatically reviewed what

431
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Speaker 1: happened because Brunson, and then I think Wimby would have

432
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Speaker 1: gotten the flagrant because Brunson kept his cool, play just

433
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: kept going. So if we're just calling balls and strikes

434
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Speaker 1: and we're trying to be fair here, I think that

435
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: was a flagrant foul and I think it was missed

436
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: in real time. I think if Brunson had reacted negatively,

437
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: they would have caught it in real time. And I

438
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: think Wimby should be playing the rest of the series

439
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: sitting on three flagrant foul points, which I think could

440
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: have a real impact on his defensive effectiveness. We'll see

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Speaker 1: what the league office does, but I think they gave

442
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Speaker 1: Wimby the benefit of the doubt a number of times.

443
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Speaker 1: I don't think they should on this one. I think

444
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: that's a flagrant foul. It was a non basketball play.

445
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: It happened to also be to the head of the neck.

446
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: It was pretty obvious to me, and I do wonder

447
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: the impact that could have.

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00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: Is this enough to say that he would be becoming

449
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: a dirty player. There's another time he like kind of

450
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: ran into Alex Cruz on the last series that I

451
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: think anybody brings up, where it looked he clearly like

452
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: looks at him, runs into him. That was the other.

453
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: Instant, And in game two he grabs Jose Alvarado and

454
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: throws him to the side. I he is, he is

455
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: trying to meet physicality with physicality, and he clearly loses

456
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: his temper. That to me is not, you know, arguable.

457
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I want to There's only a

458
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: handful of guys in the league that all flatly called dirty.

459
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: I think dirt is dirty. I think when Beverly was playing,

460
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: he was dirty. I think that you know they're He's

461
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: not that. But I think Dylan Brooks certainly can be

462
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: dirty and has a reputation. I'm not putting women in

463
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: that category. But of all, how about this, Of all

464
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Speaker 1: the great great players, he and Joker are the only

465
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Speaker 1: two with a bit of a rap sheet on the

466
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Speaker 1: stuff Like There's none of it from Tatum, There's none

467
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Speaker 1: of it from Shay, there's none of it from Luca,

468
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Speaker 1: there's best I can remember, none of it from Yannis.

469
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Speaker 1: And now I'm glad I mentioned Giannis there because this

470
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: was the other positive wimby thing I wanted to say.

471
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Speaker 1: The last time a team was down two to Oho

472
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Speaker 1: in the finals, and came back was Janice's Bucks. Now,

473
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: they didn't lose those first two at home, but they

474
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Speaker 1: were down oh two and then they won four straight.

475
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: Their path to coming back was Yannis in the final

476
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: four games of that series, averaging thirty seven, twelve and six.

477
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Wimby. I don't think Wimby can average

478
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Speaker 1: thirty seven a game over the you know, a four

479
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: game stretch, but that's the blueprint. The guy just being like,

480
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna every night we're out here, I'm gonna

481
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: be the best player on the court, and I do

482
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: wonder if he's going to be able to do that.

483
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: All right, let's Demondsey move on to Jalen Brunson, who

484
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: has had a very odd series.

485
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could point to a lot of reasons that

486
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: the Knicks lost this game. Brunson has been super inefficient.

487
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: Cat did not show up for his first game in

488
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: the series. Mckel Bridges was missing as well. What do

489
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Speaker 2: you think that the biggest reason this one got away

490
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: from the Knicks was?

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, I just don't think as a hole they

492
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: played well and I listen, Cat didn't get the ball

493
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: and wasn't aggressive. Bridges made one shot in the game.

494
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: He got those two early foulsand it took him out

495
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: of it. But bruns in this series, while he's been clutch,

496
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: has not been excellent. And in Game one, Brunson played

497
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: thirty seven minutes, the Knicks were to his credit, plus

498
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: six in those thirty seven and plus four in the

499
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: eleven minutes he sat. In Game two, Brunson played thirty

500
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: seven minutes. The Knicks were minus ten in those thirty

501
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: seven and then plus eleven in the eleven minutes he sat. Sat. Yesterday,

502
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: Brunson played thirty six minutes. The Knicks were minus nine

503
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: in those thirty six minutes and plus five in the

504
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: twelve minutes he sat. So again just some very quick

505
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: mass here he has played. There's ninety six. There's been

506
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty four minutes this series he has

507
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: sat for the well, how many total minutes is he played,

508
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: He's played in one hundred and ten. So in the

509
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten minutes that Brunson's been on the court,

510
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: the Knicks are This is stunning. They are minus thirteen

511
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: and in the thirty four minutes he has set the

512
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: Knicks are plus twenty. So that's a bit of an

513
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: eyebrow raiser. Now, there is no denying that he in

514
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: games one and two was incredibly clutch and obviously the

515
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: biggest reason they were able to tie the game in

516
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: Game two, the biggest reason they were able to put

517
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: the game away in Game one, and even yesterday, I

518
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna, maybe, you know, bring him back

519
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: in that fourth quarter. That is the competence he plays

520
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: with is almost second to none. But Castle is giving

521
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: him real trouble, and he is turning the ball over

522
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: a little too much. And it felt like he did

523
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: yesterday lean a little more into the heliocentric Brunson ball

524
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: stuff that he had gotten away from some of on

525
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: this brilliant Knicks run. And so I expect him to

526
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: be better in Game four. They are going to need

527
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: him to be better in Game four, and kat is

528
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: going to have to be more assertive offensively. I And

529
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: while the Knicks bench has been such a weapon for

530
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: the all postseason, I do think in Game four, assuming

531
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: guys aren't in horrible, horrible foul trouble, you can push

532
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: up the minutes of towns Og and Jalen It. None

533
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: of them played more than thirty eight minutes yesterday. None

534
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: of them are playing you know, crazy high minutes. This

535
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: series sham, it's been awesome. So you have six guys

536
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: right now you really really trust. Obviously, Josh Hart was

537
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: hitting threes last night. That does suck for the Knicks

538
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: to lose the game. Josh Hart was hitting the threes,

539
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: but I didn't see thirteen Jordan Clarkson minutes coming now.

540
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: He was solid. They had a very quick trigger yesterday

541
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: on Deuce McBride, and I thought Mitchell Robinson played you know,

542
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: his worst game and kind of on and they were

543
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: hesitant to go to Mitch in the regular rotation spots

544
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: because the Spurs weren't yet in foul troupe or the

545
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: Knicks were in the bonus and they didn't want to

546
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: put him in. By the way, if you're that if

547
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: the other team is that willing to play hack a Mitch,

548
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: I really do think you have to consider rejiggering your

549
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: rotation a bit to where Mitch plays the final two

550
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: minutes and the opening few minutes of the first into

551
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: the second, and then the third into the fourth, because

552
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: the final two minutes of a quarter you can't do

553
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: the hack a Mitch and the opening minutes of a quarter.

554
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: You're never in the bonus. There were some times yesterday

555
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: that it did look like they wanted to put Mitch in.

556
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: In fact, he went to the scorers table, but they

557
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: had just gotten into the bonus, so they were afraid

558
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: to do it. So those are, you know, small tweaks.

559
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: Mikhale Bridges obviously has to be better, but Brunson does

560
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: need to be better for them to get the final

561
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: two wins they need. All right, what else do we

562
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: have here? De monsay?

563
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: Uh? Do do we think Kat's Finals MVP case is done?

564
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't think so at all. Listen, I think that

565
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: he wasn't by Vegas odds, but I thought he should

566
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: have been the leading candidate after two games. He had

567
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,479
Speaker 1: one bad game, and so's the case.

568
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 2: You know, it's not in there, Bog.

569
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: He's certainly been so consistent. I don't think, I what

570
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: is he? I'm looking at him.

571
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel he's pretty good. In game one was.

572
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: The game one? Yeah, I mean he had seventeen in

573
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: game one, seventeen in game two, twenty eight. In game

574
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: three he is doing it on better than fifty percent

575
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: from the field, on nearly fifty from three he has

576
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: been excellent. He's been playing great defense. I don't you know,

577
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: I think right now it's a weird one because I

578
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: just said about all of the you know, finals in

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00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: the I'm sorry about all the plus minus of Brunson.

580
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: But Brunson right now is the favorite to win, the

581
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: favorite on the Knicks, certainly because of the game Cat had. Again,

582
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: so Brunson's plus one hundred, Wimby's plus one fifty five

583
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: Kats plus six hundred and og is forty to one. Yeah,

584
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: And so I don't think I think it'll be It'll

585
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: probably be Brunson because he's gonna like assuming the Knicks win,

586
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: because he's the best player and he's averaging the most points.

587
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: But I think that I think Cattle bounce back. I

588
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: just I think the level of panic that people are

589
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: trying to foist upon the Knicks, because again the last

590
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: they had not lost since the first day of the

591
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. They were a little bit due for a

592
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: bad game, and even in their bad game, they had opportunities. Now,

593
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: I will say this, it does feel like a missed

594
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: opportunity because, as I said, I thought at halftime they

595
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: were going to take full control of the game and

596
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: instaid they gave the lead right back to the Spurs.

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Speaker 1: One more nixt question before we get to your weekend

598
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: or week last week.

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Speaker 2: Does this loss kill any talk about an all time

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Speaker 2: team or all time run.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, they were on an all time run. It's

602
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Speaker 1: the second longest postseason winning streak ever. Only the twenty

603
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: seventeen Warriors that won their first fifteen games of the

604
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: playoffs had a longer winning streak. That is in stone.

605
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: They have all of the margin of victory records for three,

606
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: game four and five game six game that full sample

607
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: that is in stone. They still have the best point

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00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 1: per game differential of any team in playoff history. That

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00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: can change, obviously, depending on how the next few games go,

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Speaker 1: so that's not in stone. So I don't think. I

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Speaker 1: I don't People were discussing that if they swept, if

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Speaker 1: three rounds of the playoffs, does that make them an

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Speaker 2: got trampled after round two a game one round two games,

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00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: so imagine them winning a finals there.

643
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Speaker 4: I'll be at all the home games, so if they

644
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 4: win one, I'll be right back back out on seven half.

645
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: What are the differences between the mentality behind being a

646
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: professional basketball player and a collegiate golfer.

647
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 4: It's hard because I feel like basketball just came so naturally.

648
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 4: Golf's so much time in between each shot, so mu's

649
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 4: thinking so many times, so many opportunities to dot yourself,

650
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: and basketball is so fast, and it's just very reactionary.

651
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 4: If anything, for me, it just makes my brain sharper.

652
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: I think top three suits.

653
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 4: Oh uh, chicken tortilla. I'll have a good wedding suit

654
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 4: and where chick there?

655
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so a lot there. Uh So, do you want to,

656
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, for the first time, revealed to the audience,

657
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: what you're going to be doing with complex bets? Do

658
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: you want to get into that now? How do you

659
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: want to approach this?

660
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I mean we could call that right. I

661
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 2: think that it's just a little weird. Well, I think

662
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: it'll be during football season when it happens, just because

663
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: of the time of everything.

664
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: Right now, Okay, but at some point go ahead.

665
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, at some point I will be doing a

666
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: podcast with Complex mainly focused on bets and you know,

667
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: just debating back and forth around that, so kind of

668
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: like what we do when football season comes around.

669
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, people saw the listen. I was joking about the teasers.

670
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: People saw that per period last year. Demanse was America's

671
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: to you know, foremost teaser sharp and all of a

672
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: sudden he's got folks trying to scoop him out of

673
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: the One Right podcast universe. So that's coming up down

674
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: the road. That's gonna be awesome. In the meantime, you're

675
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: you know, you just did this with JR. Smith. I

676
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: do want you to walk the because that was You've

677
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: never done anything like that, nothing like it. So what

678
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: was your level of nerves? What was the prep? Who

679
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: did you decide on your own? You were gonna ask

680
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: the soup question? Did you order that with anyone? I'm

681
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: curious about all.

682
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: Of this, So yeah, I I did. I did. They

683
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: said I could throw that one in at the end.

684
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 2: If I wanted to. I suggested that question, and yeah,

685
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: I was. I was super nervous every at every point

686
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: up until the interview was over, and it was it

687
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: was I'm really glad I did it, though. I just

688
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: was expecting it to be me Jr. A cameraman or something,

689
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 2: and it was Me Jr cameraman and like fifteen twenty

690
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: other people behind us. So and they're just like, yeah,

691
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: I get rolling. We did it, and uh it worked

692
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: out well. The golf was I was. I was terrible.

693
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: As you might assume.

694
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: You can't go last on your bad in your life,

695
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: you've once in your life before. It was with me

696
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: in Hawaii. We you know, we had nobody, nobody correct.

697
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: We were just out there hacking it away. Had you

698
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: Did you tell him you don't golf?

699
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 2: No? I didn't. I did not tell him. I just

700
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: what what happened was it was pretty obvious that I

701
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: couldn't golf after my first hole, and so you know,

702
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: I went last, and then I just got to a

703
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: point where I realized, all right, I'm not going to

704
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: drive it. I just kept my ball in my back

705
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: pocket and once we got to an area where we're

706
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: about to be butting. I threw my ball down there

707
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: and I put it.

708
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: Oh that's how you did it?

709
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: Yes?

710
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: And uh? Was there anyone else you were golfing with

711
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: that was near Jr's caliber?

712
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: There was Al Harrington? Was there?

713
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: Hold on? Al Harrington was there?

714
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

715
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: Hold on, this is unbelievable. Hold on, you know what

716
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something We've never done this. I'm hold on.

717
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: You know, Al OL's on my show yesterday? So did

718
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: Al know who you were? To me? Okay, hold on,

719
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: all right, hold on, I'm gonna FaceTime Al real quick

720
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: because he's not gonna. I can't believe that he was there.

721
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. He was a really cool dude too.

722
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Speaker 1: He's the best, super super cool. Yeah, hold on, he's

723
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna freak out. I don't know if you answer.

724
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: Hold on. Ow Hey, it's Nick. Just so you know.

725
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm live on my podcast right now. So, but I

726
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: but I just found something out. So you were golfing

727
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: this last week with j R. Smith. Do you know

728
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: the guy who doesn't know how to golf who was

729
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: doing the interviews I'm flipping the camera round, is my son.

730
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: He was the one out there with you guys. He

731
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: just told me that. I was like, who all was there?

732
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, j R. Smith was there. Al

733
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: Harrington was there. He's really cool. And I was like,

734
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: Al Herrington was there. I saw him yesterday. I didn't

735
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: know you guys were out there. That's unbelievable. He was

736
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: really Yeah, you're quite the golfer. You know who's not demons?

737
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: He was truly terrible. Correct. Oh, he's not gonna kill you.

738
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: All right, are you headed into the studio? All right,

739
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: I'll see you then, I'll talk to you later. See you, bro.

740
00:49:55,120 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: But I can't believe Al Harrington was there. That's so funny. Yeah,

741
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: Demanse keeps it. The demonse is the opposite of I

742
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: don't know how to say this. I'm just gonna say it,

743
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: demonse of a of someone who the term is nepo baby,

744
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: but the like to somebody that does you know, tries

745
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: to throw you know, do you know who my dad

746
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: is around to try to gain access. I think one

747
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: of the one of my funniest moments. And again, obviously

748
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: you know there are is. It's not as if you

749
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: know our relationship hasn't helped him in certain ways along

750
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: the along the road. But I was at when I

751
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: Why was I out there? I was in I was

752
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: on the Fox lot. Oh, it was two months ago.

753
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: It was when I baby sat Mila, so that week

754
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: so whenever it was NBA All Star Weekend, that's when

755
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: it was. It was NBA So whenever, that was four

756
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: months ago. However long what when did So it was

757
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: February or March of twenty of this year. When did

758
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: you start at Fox?

759
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 2: Uh? Like in person?

760
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: No, just when did you start working?

761
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it was probably remote of like twenty two,

762
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: I want to say.

763
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: Right twenty one or twenty two, and then the and

764
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: you moved out there. When you've been in it was

765
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: twenty three?

766
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: Three years?

767
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's three years. Okay, so Demanday's been

768
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: working on the Fox studio lot for three years. I

769
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: was out there in March and I bumped in to

770
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: one of the bosses and I'm not going to say who,

771
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, what are you doing here? And

772
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know, visiting my grand baby

773
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: and seeing my son. And the moral of this story

774
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: is this person has worked not directly with but with

775
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: Demons in some capacity for the whole time he has

776
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: been out there and had no I guess the guy

777
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: doesn't watch the pod. It kind of hurt, but had

778
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: no idea your our relationship. So I do give you

779
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: credit for not, uh, you know, leaning on that. But

780
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: also this complex thing had nothing to do with me whatsoever,

781
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: none at all. And it's really cool and I'm really

782
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: excited for it. You'll still be here with us, You'll

783
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: still be doing the Fox job, and you know you're

784
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna be You're gonna be busy. But it's really

785
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: really cool and I was so excited.

786
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 2: To see it and.

787
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: The no and I know you were, like he was.

788
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: I know you were nervous at the beginning of that

789
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: thing at the the with.

790
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: All those people. Hey, you know, even with the and

791
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: then even with the fight, man, Like, it's like I'm

792
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: already nervous, and then this part messes up.

793
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: It's like bro, oh, So the audience doesn't know that,

794
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: so demands so don't don't. Just just tell the flight

795
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: portion of this story.

796
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm flying into Dallas and it's it's storming outside,

797
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: so the tarmac super wet. So we fly around for

798
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: an hour in the sky and then they're running out

799
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: of fuel and they're like we got to land and refuel.

800
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: We land and refuel, sit there for an hour and

801
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: a half. They gave us the update, like all the

802
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: planes that are already in Dallas are priority. Next flight

803
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 2: out of here is six am tomorrow.

804
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: So it was you they were running out of fuel.

805
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 1: They landed in Abilene.

806
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 2: In the Middle Texas.

807
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,479
Speaker 1: By the way, it's about two and a half hour

808
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: drive from Dallas. Yes, and Demand's got was supposed to

809
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: be there that night, has.

810
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: To be Yes Jr. And all that.

811
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: Exactly, so he has to miss that and then ends

812
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: up having to catch a ride into to Dallas. But

813
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: you made it. You won't ever be that nervous again.

814
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: It all worked out. It's awesome, all right, very cool.

815
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: Game four Wednesday night, I expect. I think the Knicks

816
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: will win. If the Knicks don't win, then being anxious

817
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: is very very legitimate. I think the Knicks will win.

818
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: I think they played as not as poorly as they

819
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: can play, but close to as poorly as they can play.

820
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: And they were right there yesterday. Both of these teams

821
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: are very good. I think the Knicks right now were better.

822
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: And we didn't spend much time talking about it here

823
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: today Wimby off the one day rest. This is the

824
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: last game that he'll play this postseason with only one

825
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: day of rest. I wonder if his production dips a

826
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: bit in Game four. It's what I expect. We'll see

827
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: it and then we'll be talking to you guys about

828
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 1: it on Thursday. One other note, I should have set

829
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: off the top starting on Thursday, man, I should have

830
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: said this at the beginning of the pod. Bad job

831
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: by me. Starting on Thursday until the end of the

832
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: World Cup, our pods, the days we do the pod

833
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: will stay the same, but this will become if you

834
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: watch us live on YouTube, it will come to you

835
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: in the afternoons because starting on Thursday, we'll be on

836
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: the air or TV wise from ten am to noon

837
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: East Coast time. First things first, from Thursday until July

838
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: fifteenth will be ten am to noon every day, So

839
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: because of that, the pod will shift to the afternoons.

840
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: But aside from that, everything's the same. The way you

841
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that is to subscribe to

842
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: the podcast on YouTube, iTunes and Spotify. Apologies for the

843
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: brief technical difficulties we had previous earlier in the day.

844
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to be on the herd in about ninety minutes.

845
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: I will see you guys then. Great job Demandsay, great

846
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: job Blue Duck, great job Volume. Thank you to Boost

847
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Speaker 1: and hard Rock. Talk to you us soon. What's right,