WEBVTT - Mean w/ Kelli Garner

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done done.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Welcome to another episode of That's Messed Up, an

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<v Speaker 2>SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Liza Trigger and I'm Kara Klank.

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<v Speaker 2>And every week we talk about an episode of SVU,

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<v Speaker 2>the true crime it is based on, and we have

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<v Speaker 2>a guest from the episode. And in the beginning, we

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<v Speaker 2>just we chick chat, we gossip, we get to we

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<v Speaker 2>pretend we don't talk every other day and text constantly.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You always have to do like an intro to like

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<v Speaker 1>and now we're going to talk, Kara, let's talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I want to say the word banter, but then

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't want to say the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>every day.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It just sucks because Tricksy and Katya for on, have

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<v Speaker 2>the best intro of any show that's ever existed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about whatever we want because it's our show and

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<v Speaker 2>not yours. And I think a lot of people need

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<v Speaker 2>to take that to heart forever. It's just like it's

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<v Speaker 2>just the perfect. It's just perfect. They're perfect. We're perfect too.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever we've had in a very exciting week, Captain Cragan

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<v Speaker 2>cause a sturry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks to everybody for your positive comments about Kragan.

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<v Speaker 1>We were also gooped and gag that we got to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the Captain himself and it was amazing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the painting. Obviously, people are going crazy for the painting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like our most popular Instagram post we've ever boasted.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, did I make up a word? Is sturry? A word? Sturry? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I said everyone was in a sturry? But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that's a word. I don't think that's a word.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the word about Christmas? Everyone was chill except the

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<v Speaker 2>mice were stirring, stirring, stirring.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but there's no noun of a story, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think there could be one. Let's keep let's keep

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<v Speaker 1>using it. Speaking of a story, there was a big

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<v Speaker 1>story on Twitter this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because I was so involved with Craigan and reading

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's like comments and posts and excitement about it all,

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<v Speaker 2>I was then facetiming one of our friends at night

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like, oh, did you see the Twitter commotion

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<v Speaker 2>about alt right comedy? Like I don't know scandal, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, that is crazy how much Craigan took

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<v Speaker 2>me out of this, Like I would be knee deep

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<v Speaker 2>in the comments.

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<v Speaker 1>On any other day, you would have been like the

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<v Speaker 1>top comment on that Twitter feud. And because of Craigan,

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<v Speaker 1>we were just like living in a different world.

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<v Speaker 2>And then our friend messaged me and he goes, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>are you over Twitter fights? Like have you gone past that?

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<v Speaker 2>I go, I was fighting about the Weekend super Bowl performance.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't even watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even see it, and I was just in

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<v Speaker 2>the comments being like, women are better go fuck yourselves.

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<v Speaker 3>He sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Did not watch it like I might even like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, I loved I don't love to fight

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<v Speaker 2>on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't really watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I like his music, but I think the

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<v Speaker 1>thing with the Weekend is his voice is great and

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<v Speaker 1>he has great music. He could almost be like a

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson style perform, but he can't dance, so like

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<v Speaker 1>to watch him perform is kind of boring. It is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so to pick him for the super Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>it is kind of weird. So Joe Kimboostar our friend.

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<v Speaker 2>He has an amazing game where he plays actress or

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<v Speaker 2>movie star, and you go through famous people and you

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<v Speaker 2>decide if they're just an actress or a fucking movie star.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that can translate into are you a

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<v Speaker 2>singer or are you a fucking entertainer?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And anyone that argued with me, they're like, oh, mensuck,

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<v Speaker 2>what about Prince? I'm like, oh, you mean the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>of all time? Yeah, you're proving my point. You're proving

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<v Speaker 2>my point if your example is one of the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>musicians that has ever graced us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I'm right. Yeah, and the exception is

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<v Speaker 3>not the rule.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just you know, give me a firework, give

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<v Speaker 2>me a belly shirt, give me a costume, change anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I just like, I thought for sure someone else was

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<v Speaker 1>coming out. I go, someone else is joining in a second,

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<v Speaker 1>freaking lu Alipa's going to be out there, like and

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe it that it was just him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I didn't pay attention to anything. I was

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<v Speaker 2>moving from a family friend's condo into an airbnb, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was having mental breakdowns for days.

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<v Speaker 3>I was fully not able to handle the stress.

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<v Speaker 2>And also it was too cold to do steps, so

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<v Speaker 2>I walked in circles in the parking garage, but I

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<v Speaker 2>was listening to podcasts about a meth addict sneaking into

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<v Speaker 2>someone's home and stabbing everyone in the family.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, why am I doing this to myself?

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<v Speaker 2>Just alone in a parking garage in Loops, listening to

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<v Speaker 2>a surprise stabbing, Like I don't I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>was wrong with me, but I couldn't stop.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a glutton for punishment. That's really psycho. It

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<v Speaker 1>is very psycho. But yeah, what do you think about

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<v Speaker 1>the alt right community?

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<v Speaker 3>No big fan, No, uh no.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's sad because you know, I came up

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<v Speaker 1>in New York comedy, and I think it's sad that

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<v Speaker 1>this alt right sort of cloud has sort of infested

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<v Speaker 1>New York. You know, I really hope that that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the case, fully, But.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also funny to have the article come out now

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<v Speaker 2>and nobody is doing comedy except for the deniers, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just like I go.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like this is a huge problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, Okay, we'll fix it as soon as comedy

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<v Speaker 1>comes back.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't understand. Yeah, no one's doing stand up

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<v Speaker 3>right now, no one at all. It is pretty wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Except I keep hearing about bad clubs that are letting

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<v Speaker 1>people do indoor shows and mics and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what a mic? Not worth it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, And you know, we joke about this a lot personally,

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<v Speaker 2>but like when you see the people that are touring,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, that would You're gonna risk death for this.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of people were You're like, oh, you

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<v Speaker 1>would never be playing these venues if it was normal

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<v Speaker 1>times either, Like COVID is your biggest career boost, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of sad. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not naming names. One of the people is a

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<v Speaker 2>great friend of mine. It's really hard. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the judgment's hard because like, for sometimes I'll see

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<v Speaker 2>people breaking COVID shit and I'm like, you're the worst

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<v Speaker 2>person in the world. And then a friend is going

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<v Speaker 2>to Mexico and I'm like, listen, you deserve it.

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<v Speaker 3>You've gone enough.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm a hypocrite on the way. I like forgive

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<v Speaker 1>people all the time. No, I feel like I have

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<v Speaker 1>some friends where I think our friendship is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be changed because of their COVID behavior. Really yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I can't ignore how bad some people

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<v Speaker 1>were during COVID, Like while the rest of us were

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<v Speaker 1>stuck inside sacrificing, they were just living life that pisses

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<v Speaker 1>me off.

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<v Speaker 2>And they convinced themselves that they're not bad too. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel that's the thing because I do follow one superstar,

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<v Speaker 2>porn star Abella Danger, and she's wilding out but she

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<v Speaker 2>gets tested twice a week. But she on her story goes, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm reckless. I'm not behaving well, but at least I

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<v Speaker 2>get tested. And I was like, that's at least better.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of liked it. I respected it. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean to put her on blast. I mean, she's very popular,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, she's clubbing and flying and stuff, but she

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<v Speaker 2>is getting tested multiple times a week.

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<v Speaker 1>I just like that she admits that she's reckless. Yeah no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I also, this is kind of a bummer, but I

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<v Speaker 2>do want to mention it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a bummer.

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<v Speaker 2>But I listened to a podcast that Karen and Georgia

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<v Speaker 2>highlighted called This Is Actually Happening, and I listened to

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<v Speaker 2>an episode that I think maybe you guys would enjoy,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was about Amita Swadin. She was a victim

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<v Speaker 2>of incest. But she's just like an amazing speaker. But

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<v Speaker 2>she highlighted things that we try to highlight in this

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<v Speaker 2>show about like the system failing and how hard it

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<v Speaker 2>is for victims, and she just like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>she it was just really well done. And she brought

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<v Speaker 2>up one point that she was thirteen years old. She

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<v Speaker 2>had been raped by her father from age four, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was an interrogation and like the cop was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get info from her, and this was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>for her and she started to cry and the cop said, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna need a lot of therapy. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a social worker. I'm a cop and I'm just here

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<v Speaker 2>for the facts. And I just was shocked. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of things that we try to highlight. But it

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<v Speaker 2>was whild just hearing her talk about that to her experience,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a thirteen year old, like rape survivor crying and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what an authority person told her, and she Another

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<v Speaker 2>thing I don't think about enough is like how coping

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<v Speaker 2>mechanisms from those things can be destructive, and yet we

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<v Speaker 2>judge teens and people for having these destructive behaviors, but

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<v Speaker 2>not without thinking about why.

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<v Speaker 3>They are doing these things.

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<v Speaker 2>We judge like promiscuous teens or people that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>self harm or get into drugs, but we don't think

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<v Speaker 2>about what happened to them and what they're coping from.

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<v Speaker 3>And this ties into the true crime today, actually, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're right, it's a very smooth save Kara from

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<v Speaker 2>my depressing fucking I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Not trying to see that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, this podcast sounds really great and I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to it, and I think, honestly, you should

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<v Speaker 1>maybe switch over to that podcast instead of a funk

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<v Speaker 1>about addict.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, yes, for when you're doing garage steps,

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<v Speaker 3>I think let's switch to something a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Badass and she's been working for victims in the government

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<v Speaker 2>for over twenty years and went to Georgetown and I

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<v Speaker 2>followed her on Instagram and stuff. But I was just

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<v Speaker 2>very interested since we try to talk about these things

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<v Speaker 2>and then having someone talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's awesome, that's a great that's a great shout out.

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<v Speaker 1>And then February continues, it's Black History month.

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<v Speaker 3>Lisa, I think you have a few more res.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but one that you're going to be really excited

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<v Speaker 2>about so in thrilling news. I don't think she needs

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<v Speaker 2>any promo, but Heiding Closet had a song that came

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<v Speaker 2>out yesterday which is thrilling for me.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the soft and supple miscongeniality from season twelve

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<v Speaker 1>of RuPaul's Drag Race.

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<v Speaker 3>For those of you that don't know get into drag music.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so fun, especially if you're doing steps, walking,

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<v Speaker 1>doing anything where you just want to feel uplifted.

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<v Speaker 3>Drag music is really really fun. All the queens have

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<v Speaker 3>great music. Oh it sure is. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>For Black History Month, I wanted to shout out some

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<v Speaker 2>fun comedy specials on Netflix that I enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh great, Yeah, Michelle BUTEU, Oh my gosh, everything Michelle does.

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<v Speaker 1>Also her book Survival of the Thickest Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Sam Jay was my favorite special of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was great. It was called three in

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<v Speaker 2>the Morning and it made me laugh a lot. And

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<v Speaker 2>then this person doesn't need anything, but Wanda Psykes special

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<v Speaker 2>is so good.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, she's like a legend, but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is happy to help out these upstart comics.

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<v Speaker 1>Wanda Psychs everybody that's s y k yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm really excited.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I'm not really a reader, but I did

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<v Speaker 2>buy Rock San Gay's book Bad Feminist, and I'm really

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<v Speaker 2>hoping that.

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<v Speaker 3>I will read. Yes, Liza, get into it because I

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<v Speaker 3>love her on Twitter. You can do it.

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<v Speaker 2>She has enemies, she loves housewives like she is my favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh she does. I know, that's right. I know her

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<v Speaker 3>a lot from uh, from when she's been on Bitch

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<v Speaker 3>Sesshion and stuff. I love her.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, now let's jump into our episode. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>into me. All right, let's dive into episode ode seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>of season five. So we've clipped right along to season

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<v Speaker 1>five of the show and we're heading towards the exits

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<v Speaker 1>with episode seventeen. All right, So we start with the

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<v Speaker 1>discovery of the body, which is like kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>funny man and a woman who are trying to tow

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<v Speaker 1>the car and they're having a little bit of like

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<v Speaker 1>funny banter with each other, which is how these people

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<v Speaker 1>get good material for their reels. And they see blood

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<v Speaker 1>coming from like the trunk of this car that they're

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<v Speaker 1>in the process of being a respect and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's like a blood slushy because it's freezing

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<v Speaker 1>out and snowy, so there's like all this slushy blood

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<v Speaker 1>coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine New York City toe people noticing caring, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>being like.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh blood anyway, moving on.

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<v Speaker 2>And they had patches on their outfits, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>realize tow truck people like it was like a patches

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<v Speaker 2>official thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It looked like a bout.

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<v Speaker 1>They could have been from, like the transportation of the

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<v Speaker 1>city that tows people, though, like not like a private

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<v Speaker 1>toe company.

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<v Speaker 3>God, its yeah, that does exist. Yeah, I think that exists.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the cops get there, they find in the

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<v Speaker 1>trunk of the car a female with no idea or

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<v Speaker 1>clothing on. She's had her throat slashed, but she's also

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<v Speaker 1>covered in like one hundred tiny small cuts. Everything is

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<v Speaker 1>pre mortem, and it seems like most of it took

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<v Speaker 1>place actually in the trunk and then she bled out

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<v Speaker 1>before she froze to death. But it took four hours,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like not cigarette burns. Yeah, it's like an

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely horrible, brutal way to die. And they get a

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<v Speaker 1>missing person's report from Westchester County Front that the car

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<v Speaker 1>is registered to Greg Sullivan and he's the one that

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<v Speaker 1>called in the reports, so we're getting the picture that

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<v Speaker 1>this is his daughter. So we were now speaking to

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<v Speaker 1>Gregory Sullivan, the father of Emily, the girl who was

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<v Speaker 1>found in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Car, and he just looks like any Yeah, he just

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<v Speaker 3>looks like a sad dad.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, she told me she was sleeping at her

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<v Speaker 1>friend's house, Andrea kent. I left a message for her

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<v Speaker 1>on the answering machine and she called back fifteen minutes later,

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<v Speaker 1>so like, I knew she was at this house. But

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<v Speaker 1>then they're realizing that she was probably never at the house.

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<v Speaker 1>And they interview Andrea's mom and she's like, slept over

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<v Speaker 1>on a school night, not a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>Like she's like, well, they also let her know that

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<v Speaker 2>this girl is dead, and she goes, oh, my daughter

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<v Speaker 2>will be upset. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is your daughter's friend.

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<v Speaker 2>She's been in your home. I'm sure you've gone out

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<v Speaker 2>to dinner together.

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<v Speaker 1>Any teenager dying in your community, it's like, even if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know the person, you're like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>what a tragedy.

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<v Speaker 3>That's horrible, Like this cooldness, because I know that's part

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<v Speaker 3>of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of it is on is like people don't care,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they kept doing their bartending work. But this

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<v Speaker 2>is someone that's been in your home and she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm rushing to work. I have to go to work,

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<v Speaker 2>talk to my daughter. And it's like you're just sending

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<v Speaker 2>the police to talk to What the fuck lady? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's wonder. I'm not to ruin it in no wonder.

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<v Speaker 2>Your daughters are fucking lunatics.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's like these people are always rushing around

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<v Speaker 1>and it's wants to go to work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why who's rushing to get to work? You know

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<v Speaker 3>what you can tell them when you get to work. Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I was talking to the cops. It's a pretty good excuse,

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<v Speaker 3>and I want to see I would extend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to say most people, even though talking

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<v Speaker 1>to the cops is not great, but if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>the one that's being interrogated, if you're just literally being

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<v Speaker 1>asked for like side information, I think that's probably kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an exciting part of your day. And these people

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<v Speaker 1>are like, I gotta go to work, like it just

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was the FBI called me because of some Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>drama and I was thrown to answer their questions and

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<v Speaker 2>another quar your schedule for the FBI yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 2>was still sassy to him.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, where do you live.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm not telling you, and it's like it's

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<v Speaker 2>the f by But yeah, they found my phone number.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they can figure out where I'm located. Another time,

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<v Speaker 2>I was excited not talking to a police officer, but

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<v Speaker 2>I got to do jury duty. Yeah, at the time

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<v Speaker 2>of my life, I was picked. I got to sit

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<v Speaker 2>in the jury box. I made everyone laugh a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of times. I asked answered questions yeah and was. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I understand why being interrogated by the cops. Are

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<v Speaker 1>being arrested for no reason.

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<v Speaker 3>It's bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But like if the cops came to me and were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I just need a little bit of information about your

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<v Speaker 1>friend Lisa, I'd be like, let's talk.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like one time I worked at a Harislon and across

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<v Speaker 2>the street on like half price appetize, someone stabs someone

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<v Speaker 2>in the neck with a fork in the street. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the cops came. They wanted our surveillance footage, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to get the school. I wanted to know

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<v Speaker 2>what was happening. I understand if you're being hounded by

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<v Speaker 2>the police because you're a person of color and you're

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<v Speaker 2>living in a neighborhood that they over police and you're

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<v Speaker 2>just like, fuck the police. But if you're some bitch

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<v Speaker 2>and Long Island, this should be a once in a

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<v Speaker 2>lifetime thing and you should give.

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit more. Allison. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>So, now we're at the school. I believe it's called

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<v Speaker 1>Tanner Day. It's clearly like a private school.

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<v Speaker 3>And the principle is a used car salesman.

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<v Speaker 1>The principle was that, after I've seen in tons of

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff, he looks like he pays women to step

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<v Speaker 1>on his balls and like squeeze them and piss in

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<v Speaker 1>his mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he seems like that type. So he basically says

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<v Speaker 1>Emily was well liked, friends with everyone. She was on

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<v Speaker 1>the homecoming court, a shining star. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>point out I was on the homecoming court. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a huge part of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just kidding. I don't know why it was. It

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of a fluke.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, It's good that I wasn't because I'd still be

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, I would love it. The way that we found

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<v Speaker 3>out who was a homecoming queen too, is they gave

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<v Speaker 3>you all a wrapped flower and then we opened it

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<v Speaker 3>at the pep rally and like, if you had the

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<v Speaker 3>red flower, you were.

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<v Speaker 1>The homecoming queen. Wow, And I had a white flower.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't me anyway. I was homecoming queen. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>you are our producer was homecoming Queen Hannah. I can

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<v Speaker 1>sort of tell that. I feel like you'd have a

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<v Speaker 1>good wave. Okay. So at the school we finally we

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<v Speaker 1>meet Emily's best friends. This is like her little group

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<v Speaker 1>of girls. So there's Page Summerbee who's in a cheer

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<v Speaker 1>litter outfit with wispy bangs, with wispy bangs, Britney O'Malley

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<v Speaker 1>who is got like super super overdyed blonde hair, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Andrea Kent who uses self tanner for sure and

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<v Speaker 1>she's from John Tucker must die. Yeah, they say blonde.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the brunette is murdered and that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is upsetting too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They say they don't know the number that Emily's dad called,

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<v Speaker 1>so Stabler completely calls their bluff, runs over to a

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<v Speaker 1>calls it. Britney's cell phone starts ringing and she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, Emily asked me to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it's even smarter than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just her cell phone rings, her cell phone herself, and

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<v Speaker 1>my voicemail has been changed to say like you've reached

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<v Speaker 1>the Kent family.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, so they've fully set it up and I feel

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<v Speaker 3>as though.

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<v Speaker 2>But also it's like, you know, Stabler's about to do

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<v Speaker 2>a police trick. Why not just confess before you get embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is for cinematic value than you. But

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<v Speaker 2>these girls just sitting there waiting to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Going yeah, and it's like, okay, okay, okay, okay, it's

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<v Speaker 1>my phone, it's my phone, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Who are these the balls on these scenes to lie

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<v Speaker 3>to the cops?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Well we find out why, I think later. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's true and again great acting. Yes, so these girls

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<v Speaker 1>say that like they helped Emily because she was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to go have a big romantic date with this guy

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<v Speaker 1>who's twenty three. Okay, Meanwhile, I just want to check

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<v Speaker 1>in on Benson's hair. Her bob has like grown out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a sort of a long bob, perfectly highlighted.

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<v Speaker 1>And she needs the combination of Emily's locker.

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<v Speaker 3>So in Emily's locker they find a signed headshot from

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<v Speaker 3>a guy named Lucas. I'm like, what is she a

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<v Speaker 3>dry cleaner? Why is she have headshots of people?

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<v Speaker 2>Then what's also funny is Benson goes, what is he

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<v Speaker 2>an actor?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? Great?

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<v Speaker 1>When you say a headshot with a name on it, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's yeah. So they go to the park to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to him. He's in some kind of like veggie tails

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<v Speaker 1>group where they're all dressed up like fruit and they're

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<v Speaker 1>singing in the park on a rainy day. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like the saddest job you have to do to make money.

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<v Speaker 1>As again, another s few things. So he's dressed as

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<v Speaker 1>the grapes, so they will grape and they go, we

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<v Speaker 1>got to talk to the grapes.

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<v Speaker 3>But what's wild again?

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<v Speaker 2>Where it's like why if I was on a set

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<v Speaker 2>and the police came to talk to someone, I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>trying to listen. Yeah, the other fruits just kept dancing,

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<v Speaker 2>and also how are you going to get the shot

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<v Speaker 2>without the grape? For Conna Newt, it was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why the director can go take five fruits, Like, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't understand why they kept dancing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, edit the grapes back in in posts. Yeah, so okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I never really thought about all of the logistics of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But Lisa, that's good, good work, thank you. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Grapes is this guy named Lucas. He said he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know Emily was sixteen. When he found out, he broke

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<v Speaker 1>it off. Stabler tells us Little Fruits Alibi checked out.

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<v Speaker 1>So the fruit guy is.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, he said he was on a movie set. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the fruit guy, we think is not part of

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<v Speaker 1>it any longer. Don't don't hold on. Emily's phone just

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<v Speaker 1>made a call. They track it to this guy who

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<v Speaker 1>is at a comic book shop talking to a phone

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<v Speaker 1>sex operator about Kathleen Turner and how she was really

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<v Speaker 1>hot when she was thin. I don't know what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>but that sounds like the kind of guy who would

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<v Speaker 1>have attended Cosmic Con Grand Rapids. The other kind of

0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.119
<v Speaker 1>person who would have attended Cosmiccon Grand Rapids my husband,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if that existed, he'd be there. This guy

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<v Speaker 1>was just like a nerd. He's like, I was at

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<v Speaker 1>this comic con thing and I just found this phone

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<v Speaker 1>on the street. They get her phone open, they check

0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.200
<v Speaker 1>all these text messages, and they see that Emily was

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<v Speaker 1>actually sending pages and pages and tons and tons of horrible, threatening,

0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.040
<v Speaker 1>mean texts. They find out out who they're too, a

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<v Speaker 1>girl named Agnes Lynskey. They go to her house, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the name Agnes is just yeah, you're not

0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna beet like the head cheerleader at the house. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not arresting someone in Magnus Linsky.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry to bring it back to the Simpsons, but it

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<v Speaker 2>means lamb of god, oh Agnes, it does.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Agnes's father is like, I'm not sorry, she's dead.

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<v Speaker 1>So you get the feeling that Agnes and Emily have

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<v Speaker 1>like a long history of bullying.

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<v Speaker 3>Well Eve.

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<v Speaker 2>The dad is like mad that Benson doesn't know the

0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.480
<v Speaker 2>inner politics of high school. He's like, you know, damn well,

0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:33.120
<v Speaker 2>that bitch isn't friends with my daughter.

0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:35.400
<v Speaker 3>And it's like, no, she doesn't. She's a cop, she's

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<v Speaker 3>not like a social studies teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>So the principal pulls Agnes out of class and she

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<v Speaker 1>she does say she's like the principal just kisses all

0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:44.680
<v Speaker 1>those girls asses, And I say that, I will say

0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.840
<v Speaker 1>that does happen, Like I think that like principals and

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<v Speaker 1>teachers definitely get as seduced by popular girls as like

0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:54.800
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the kids, do, you know, like they

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<v Speaker 1>don't really see. They're like, she seems like a lovely girl.

0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:59.280
<v Speaker 1>They don't see like the horrible shit they're doing behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate the mentality of like, you know, strengthen out

0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:03.720
<v Speaker 2>take the bully.

0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:07.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's like just punish the bullies. So Benson

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<v Speaker 3>kind of has this nice heart to heart with Agnes

0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:12.080
<v Speaker 3>where she tells her that she stayed to herself in school,

0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.720
<v Speaker 3>like you have to imagine like a devastatingly beautiful young

0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Mushca Hargetage.

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<v Speaker 1>Just sitting alone at lunch because she doesn't want anyone

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<v Speaker 1>to know her mom's an alcoholic.

0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.000
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, no, Agnes is not having it.

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<v Speaker 1>She's sure okay, Olivia. So basically we find out Emily's

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<v Speaker 1>been doing all this horrible shit, like started a rumor

0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:32.160
<v Speaker 1>about Agnes when her mom died that said her mom

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<v Speaker 1>left because she was so ugly. I mean, that's like

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<v Speaker 1>just a disgusting Sometimes when I watch these shows, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think kids can be this cruel, Like on

0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Thirteen Reasons Why, they're all like you got raped, loser,

0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Like it's like I don't think kids are that bad,

0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:47.639
<v Speaker 1>but maybe I'm just naive and my child's not in

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<v Speaker 1>high school yet. No, you're not.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was in school, no one ever slapped books

0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:55.680
<v Speaker 1>out of people's hands, never like slushied people. Like there's

0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.760
<v Speaker 1>all this mean shit into these shows. You egged in

0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.320
<v Speaker 1>school and my cinder costume outside not in school. But

0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:06.080
<v Speaker 1>I got egged on Halloween. Oh so that's pranky.

0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:08.480
<v Speaker 3>It's not like Lisa sucks and we had egg in

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<v Speaker 3>the hallway. I don't know, it just seems different.

0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:13.560
<v Speaker 2>One boy stole my yearbook and drew all these dicks

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<v Speaker 2>in it and drew like dicks on my face, and

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<v Speaker 2>I told on him and he had to buy me

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<v Speaker 2>a new yearbook and then everyone was pissed.

0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:19.720
<v Speaker 3>But I'm like, I want my yearbook.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom's going to be sad that I have a

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<v Speaker 1>sharpie dick on my face. Well, I'm not saying kids

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<v Speaker 1>are not super cool with words. I guess I mean

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<v Speaker 1>more the physical. Like I never thought kids were getting

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<v Speaker 1>like beat up when I was in school, But that

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<v Speaker 1>could have just been my school beat up or.

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<v Speaker 3>Like physically harassed anyway we find out, Emily.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I just keep thinking of more and more stories

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<v Speaker 2>for my high school being like where did I go

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<v Speaker 2>to school? Because one time this cousin of someone came

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<v Speaker 2>in and then found this girl, but found the wrong

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<v Speaker 2>girl to beat up, wrapped her hair around her head

0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:52.280
<v Speaker 2>and smashed kept smashing her face into the ground over

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<v Speaker 2>and over again, and the girl was never the same,

0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.800
<v Speaker 2>sin like truly. And then another girl in junior high

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<v Speaker 2>someone threw a brick at her head again, never the

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<v Speaker 2>same after that.

0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:03.000
<v Speaker 3>So shit was going down in Skochy.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 3>I went to school in Connecticut. We didn't have that.

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<v Speaker 3>That seems worse, Like I said, no physical stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And in GBN the one of the other high schoolsy

0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:15.119
<v Speaker 2>had a great swim team, they had intern like they

0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:18.399
<v Speaker 2>had national news because of their hazing, and there's like

0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:20.240
<v Speaker 2>pig shit and a girl sprained her ankle in the

0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:23.120
<v Speaker 2>woods and it was just I think something was going.

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<v Speaker 3>On in the north Shore and I'm I don't know,

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.479
<v Speaker 3>you need to talk to someone about it. You've not

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:31.600
<v Speaker 3>processed it pro I mean, I wish I didn't get egged.

0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:33.440
<v Speaker 3>It was like a cute outfit, but whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so back to this episode, Agnes is basically.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we were all friends when we were little.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really know why things changed, and it's like, yeah,

0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:44.200
<v Speaker 1>things changed because of like hormones and kids becoming assholes.

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Emily catfished Agnes as a boy she liked texted or

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<v Speaker 1>like kill herself, like texted her all this horrible stuff.

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:52.200
<v Speaker 1>So she was like, the other girls are mean too,

0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:56.479
<v Speaker 1>but I was Emily's special project. And she's just saying, like,

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, it really bears down on you. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get out of bed in the morning, and

0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:02.840
<v Speaker 1>she says she's happy she's dead. Agnes says she was

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.800
<v Speaker 1>home alone when the when the attack happens, so even

0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.880
<v Speaker 1>though she's like a prime suspect, but Benson doesn't think

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:11.160
<v Speaker 1>she did it. And the school knew what was happening

0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 1>with all this bullying and did nothing. So then they

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 1>get this call that Brittany O'Malley was attacked at school.

0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:20.200
<v Speaker 1>So Brittany's the overded blonde one and Troy, Agnes's brother,

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:21.800
<v Speaker 1>is the one who did it. He said he only

0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:25.720
<v Speaker 1>pushed her. And you might recognize Troy from the Sopranos.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh is that he was the kid?

0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:27.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, and you know he's a bad boy because he

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:30.920
<v Speaker 2>has a diamond.

0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Earring, Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck.

0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:33.639
<v Speaker 3>He'll push a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>So he basically says it was an accident. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason he did it is because Brittany took pictures of

0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Agnes changing in the locker room and sent them around.

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Now we know from SVU that that kind of counts

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:46.640
<v Speaker 1>as as child pornography, but Agnes is eighteen.

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they handle that so seemingly because I wanted

0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 2>to say too, like oh, and then I was like no, no,

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:53.480
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned they mentioned she's eighteen.

0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 3>You're right, you're right. So the kid, the younger brother,

0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.440
<v Speaker 3>is like, nobody's protecting my sister. The school's not.

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:02.480
<v Speaker 1>The cops aren't, like she illegally disseminated nude photos, Like

0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:03.520
<v Speaker 1>what are you going to do about that?

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:05.200
<v Speaker 3>So they go to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>To Brittany at the hospital where she's recovering from what

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 1>looks like a scratch on her forehead from this major attack,

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<v Speaker 1>and her mom is like, these kids were nothing but

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 1>nice to that girl, and look what they get for it,

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Like this is just a total in denial mom. And

0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Brittany's like, shut up, mom, go get the plastic sergeant,

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>and like she talks to her mom, that's a red

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<v Speaker 1>flag right there of someone who's like a sociopath. Is like,

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<v Speaker 1>when you can just tell your mom to shut the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck up and she listens to you like, I'm sure

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I've screamed shut up at my mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's all fine, But how is the mom like

0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:37.479
<v Speaker 2>still defending the daughter as she's screaming, shut the fuck up,

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Go get the plastic surgeon, like you dumb bitch. Yeah,

0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:42.400
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, my daughter is so nice, how dare

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 2>you right? Like, I don't understand these dumb pair. I

0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:45.920
<v Speaker 2>don't get it.

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 1>So then they show Brittany the photos on the flip

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 1>phone that she took and all these like this is

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>a classic episode from the two thousands, and the flip

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 1>phones are really taking me back.

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 3>I had such a good flip phone.

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.320
<v Speaker 1>It was so sleek and shiny and it flipped and

0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I loved to a razor. No, it was an imitation

0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:03.479
<v Speaker 1>razor from like Samsung or something.

0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 3>I was a Nokia girl. Oh, I had a Nokia

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 3>when I loved abroad. I love snake Anyway.

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>She said she took the picture of Agnes naked in

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the gym to get back at her for killing Emily.

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 3>So she's like trying to and did this whole act.

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 3>So we find out from the medical examiner that there.

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Was nail polish in the wound, so the killer was

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 1>probably a female. And then they say or a metrosexual

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.119
<v Speaker 1>that Stabler says that, I think you're not allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>say metrosexual anymore, So clearly a relic of an episode.

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just funny what metrosexual was because it just

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:36.960
<v Speaker 2>meant like men that bathed.

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was like it's like, oh, do you use

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 3>your hair?

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then they find a hair in the duct

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 1>tape that's color treated super blonde, so that's like kind

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:47.919
<v Speaker 1>of leading them back to this group of girls.

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 3>Do you know any bottle blondes? And yeah, we know

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 3>a few.

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 1>So Huang is there explaining relational aggression and it's how

0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:59.239
<v Speaker 1>boys are socialized to show their anger and girls are

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 1>socialized to be nice. So that's a little bit how

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.960
<v Speaker 1>these these little clicks show up.

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:08.159
<v Speaker 2>And I love hims like little tidbits like that was

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 2>really insightful to me because you know, there are those

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 2>rumors of like girls are so much meaner than boys,

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>and you know, teen girls are the worst, They're the

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 2>most vicious, and it's it's nice to.

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 3>Have a little bit of reasoning why.

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Women do fight the way they fight and and you know, right,

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:26.639
<v Speaker 1>so they're basically talking about how like, instead of telling

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 1>you what you did wrong that I don't like because

0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 1>that's not nice, you just ice someone out and get

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 1>everyone else to turn against her too.

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 3>Which girls definitely do that stuff.

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:36.920
<v Speaker 2>All they're passive aggressive and boys are you know, aggressive depressive.

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so stablers like these little clicks are like the mafia.

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Nobody knows nothing, so uh, they go talk to us. No,

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>but this is my favorite.

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 2>And then Benson the Cop of the Year award goes Actually,

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I saw a sign for peer councilors while I was

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 2>at the school.

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Let's go talk to them. We didn't have this at

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 3>my school.

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Those are just like other students that like help students

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:00.280
<v Speaker 1>with their problems.

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.159
<v Speaker 2>I think this is a TV trope because this happens

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 2>in Daria. I've never heard of a pier counsel.

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:04.879
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 1>So they go and talk to this girl and she's like, yeah,

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>these girls are She's like, I like them fine, but

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>they're mean. So then we have this really sweet conversation

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 1>with Terry, Emily's neighbor. Now this reminds me exactly of

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Heather's because this is like Betty Finn in Heathers or

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>she takes a friend. Yeah, she's her friend from at home.

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:25.400
<v Speaker 1>They were friends when they were little and like their

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:28.919
<v Speaker 1>only friends, like sort of outside of school. And she

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 1>said that Emily was really like starting to talk about college,

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:33.360
<v Speaker 1>pull away from these mean girls.

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 3>She was like into meeting new people.

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 1>And she admits that she really didn't like Britney and

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 1>that Emily hooked up with Brittany's boyfriend, Lucas The Grapes. Okay,

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 1>so The Grapes is back into the episode. We get

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 1>to Lucas's apartment. He is a struggling actor dressing up

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 1>as grapes in the middle of Central Park to make money,

0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and he's got a massive apartment with no roommates. I mean,

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you guys want to talk about the friends apartment being unrealistic,

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into some of these SVU apartments.

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, we know about most people in the entertainment business,

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 2>rich parents. That's true, Papa could be paying. Yeah, that's true.

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 3>That's true.

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Brittany apparently asked Lucas to hit on Emily as a

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 1>friendship test, but Emily was into it, and then lucasays,

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Brittany freaked out and is a total psycho and he

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>thinks that Brittany poisoned his cat buttons rip buttons. He

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 1>basically said that the girls called him that night, Britney

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>called them and I said, we're coming by the set,

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>have a case of beer ready, And then when he

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 1>tried to put the case of beer in the trunk,

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 1>they all freaked out. So this is getting sketchier and sketchier.

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 1>They arrest these girls at the pep rally.

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 2>I also am mad that they have not arrested this

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 2>guy for fucking a harum of teams.

0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm buying beer for teams. Yeah, they have not. Lucas

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 3>gets off scott free and.

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 2>The whole thing of like, but she looked older, Like,

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 2>I just he's everything I hate.

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he should have been arrested for statutory grape Oh okay, sorry,

0:29:57.880 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>he's the grapes.

0:29:58.520 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 1>So they arrest these girls the pep rally. They first

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:03.719
<v Speaker 1>get the cheerleader and then they pull the other two

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>girls out of the stand. It's kind of amazing. I

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>love I love popular girls getting like severely embarrassed by

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 1>getting arrested at school, and then Agnes looks pumped as

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 1>they're leaving.

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 3>She's like so exciting.

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Mug.

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they question all the girls separately. They kind of

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>bop around to each one of them. And honestly, the

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 1>girl that plays Paige has like two lines. I think

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>she's not getting paid as much as the other actresses.

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>They just don't have her say much. I think she's

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 1>an under five. But they talk about how they asked

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Emily to go out that night it was Andrea's birthday.

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>They wanted to go out for the night and have

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 1>some fun, but they also wanted to confront her about

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>being a bad friend, because you don't date friends boyfriends

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>or hit on their ex boyfriends or whatever the deal is.

0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 3>And Brittany's like, it was a joke.

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 1>We tied her up and in the duct tape, but

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>somebody else is the one that killed her. Okay, Like

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 1>all right, that's like you're really pushing it. So they

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 1>so they say she needed to know you can't do

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 1>whatever you want. There are rules. You can't steal someone's boyfriend.

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 1>So that's why they were basically gonna bind her and

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 1>freak her out. Like she's naked in the back of

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>a car in the middle of winter. I mean, that's

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>not how you teach a friend that there are rules.

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>So Novak lays down the lawn and says, no one's

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>going to buy your bullshit. And then Andrea and Paige

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of flip on Brittany immediately, like.

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, immediately, you murdered somebody.

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the other two girls are basically like, Brittany

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>went psycho, and I can buy that Brittany maybe had

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>cuticle scissors on her, but then they say and then

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>she pulled out a knife. I'm like, she just had

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>a knife on her, Like, okay, she's just carrying one around.

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>And then Brittany tells her mom to shut the hell

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>up again, and then she goes off in interrogation when

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 1>she finds out that her two friends have flipped on her.

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 2>So then they and the defense attorney they have is

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 2>the oil tycoon Richard gear type.

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:56.479
<v Speaker 1>Brittany has an oil tycoon type lawyer. The lawyer for

0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the other girls are Judy King. Judy came from Orange's

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>New Black, and then the other guy that we just

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 1>talked about on another The actor's name is ned Eisenberg,

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:07.959
<v Speaker 1>and I'm forgetting what the guy. Oh, I'm forgetting what

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 1>the character's name is. But we know these lawyers, they've

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 1>been on a couple episodes of the show. They want

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:17.479
<v Speaker 1>to sever Page and Andrea's case from Britney's because now

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>it's becoming clear that, like Britney's the mastermind.

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 3>Brittany did all the actual violence.

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 2>So then her lawyer, of course, is trying to get

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 2>a deal and one of my favorite quotes comes up

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, listen, my client's off her nut.

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 3>I love that he.

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Goes, She's a fucking lunatic. Let's get these other bitches. Yeah,

0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 1>so we're back with in the judges chambers. It's Judge Petrovsky,

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>one of my faves. They argue that Andrea and Page

0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 1>were under the spell of Brittany, and they're not arguing

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>diminished capacity. They're arguing that they had no free will

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 1>because they were under the spell of a charismatic, anti

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>social leader. Essentially like what would be like a cult defense,

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:56.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, so the mom mentality they said that was

0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 1>used in the Reginald Denny trial. But then everyone's like,

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 1>but there was no mob and the like you can

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of say that, like high school is the mob

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>and that like there's this small group mob mentality.

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 1>So Petrowski allows it and Brittany makes a deal to

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 1>tell the journey. Everything goes. I really don't care. I'm

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>getting I am getting the real Malania vibes from her.

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 3>She's very I'm happy to test to. Yeah.

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because this is a sociopath, this is a killer,

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 2>and this is something that it's so sad someone to die,

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 2>but it's good that this person's in prison, Like, these

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 2>are people that should not be on the streets.

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 1>So Brittany testifies that the other girls had the opportunity

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 1>to leave, and that they held her down and they

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 1>never left, and that when they were done, they just

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 1>got waffles and then took the train home. They never

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>said stop. She said the other girls were having fun.

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>And then they mentioned later that Brittany bought a knife,

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 1>so at least she wasn't carrying one around.

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 3>I was right.

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>They did justify later and say she like ran into

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 1>a shop at night and bought a knife.

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 3>And a knife. Yeah.

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 2>And so it's like, while Brittany was gone, you could

0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 2>have let little Emily say paper drive away.

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 3>You chose not too.

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So they're calling it small group dynamics. It's when

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the individual identity fuses with the group and that that.

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Is the problem.

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 1>That they're interviewing a psychiatrist and that's what she a

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>psychologistcuse me, And she's explaining small group dynamics and saying

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>that this is you see it with cults and with

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>like guys in the army and stuff like that. So

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:22.319
<v Speaker 1>intense situations create intense solidarity, and that's the defense they're

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>going for for these girls. So Novak is just insulting

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 1>them and is like, if you think a teen doesn't

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>have free will, I think she's just weak.

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 2>And weakness is not a defense murder. And this is

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Novaka is a brunette.

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 1>If I'm not mistaken, maybe this is it's a darker

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>it's a darker Novak.

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Novak and a brunette life.

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 1>So basically there's a huge twist where these girls you know,

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 1>you know what I call it, yeah, my l Woods moments,

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the l Woods moment.

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:49.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 1>So the Elwoods moment happens when Andrea is on the

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:58.239
<v Speaker 1>stand and she mentions it's her birthday and here we

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.359
<v Speaker 1>go with Novak just gets the light bulb above her

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:03.759
<v Speaker 1>head and is like, wait, a minute. Your birthday is

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 1>in January, so you're a Capricorn, right, what's your birthstone?

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 1>A garnet And she's like, but you're wearing a class

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 1>ring and it's say sapphire, that's my birthstone. A September birthday,

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 1>which is also Emily's birthday.

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 3>It's Emily's ring. This bitch wore the ring of the

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 3>girl she killed to testify in court. Ballsy.

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so their whole thing is like they're crying, they're sad.

0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Brittany made us. We hate it every moment. Yet I

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:32.279
<v Speaker 2>went shopping off her.

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Dead body, right, And then she's like, Page gave it

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:36.879
<v Speaker 1>to me, and Page is like, you liar, you took

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:38.840
<v Speaker 1>her prod of herse. So now we're really getting the

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:41.880
<v Speaker 1>idea that these girls just like pillaged the body of

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>their dead friend and that they are all completely psychopaths

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>who are like off their rockers. They all get guilty

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>on all counts. But then now this is my favorite.

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>It's a fifteen minute jury deliberation. The detectives and Novak

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 1>are celebrating in the hallway and it's like, this is

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:57.799
<v Speaker 1>SVU baby, ye, nothing is this.

0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 3>There's never a fifteen minute.

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Now we just did an episode where you talked about

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>a man who hepta woman as a slave for seven

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and a half years, and they deliberated for two and

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>a half days, so like, there's definitely that's definitely a

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes liberation seems wild. So they're guilty on all accounts.

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 1>And then the cops here that their shots fired at

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the school. When they get to the school, they've.

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 3>Done prettyople standing there being like, well, could are.

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 1>You Someone has painted Agnes the pig squealed on a

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 1>locker and there is the dead body of just a

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:31.840
<v Speaker 1>blonde girl on the ground.

0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 3>It's not a character we've met before. And Agnes is

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 3>being arrested and there's a dead pig hanging too, Yeah,

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 3>there was.

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 1>They hung a dead pig also on the locker, and

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Agnes says they went to jail and it didn't even

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>make any difference.

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:45.440
<v Speaker 3>It was never going to stop.

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.400
<v Speaker 1>So really this episode is just like an indictment on bullying.

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 2>And then we discussed was what if Brittany's in jail

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:55.280
<v Speaker 2>with Agnes, and then it really, oh.

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:57.279
<v Speaker 3>It's not it's never going to stop. If you guys

0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 3>end up at the same facility, Are you kidding? I

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 3>mean that the High Wanta sequel, I want the best

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 3>Friends in jail.

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, hopefully agnes Is I think is a boss in jail. Yeah,

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 1>she runs it in jail and makes Britney's life hell

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:11.839
<v Speaker 1>in my fanfic.

0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:12.240
<v Speaker 3>And you're a fanfic.

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 2>But I think Brittany, like maybe more people would want

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 2>to fuck her and she's richer so she could like

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 2>buy them.

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 3>Commissary. Yeah, I don't know.

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:24.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't I think Brittany still rules the school in jail.

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:25.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Probably.

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 2>I think those sociopaths thrive in jail and the people

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 2>that are like, oh no, I committed a crime because

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:33.840
<v Speaker 2>like I was pushed to it or defense or something,

0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 2>They're not going to rule the school.

0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:36.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in jail.

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 1>But we're going to take a quick break and we

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 1>come back. We're going to get to the real crime.

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 3>This was based on.

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back. I'm going to set the scene.

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:03.840
<v Speaker 2>It's the nineties. Yes, the Craft's coming out, Yes, Buffy,

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the occult is in. Yeah, we're scared of satanic cults.

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Are there satanic preschools? You know, remnants from the eighties,

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 2>So that's the vibe of the world. You know, were

0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 2>you a witchy girl. No never, No, you never bought

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 2>any spell books from Burns and Noble. No, Okay, so

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I was. I was definitely buying spell books. I was

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:29.920
<v Speaker 2>definitely burning stuff in the yard, like mixing stuff.

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:31.319
<v Speaker 3>I want it. Yeah, I was.

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:35.760
<v Speaker 2>I was deep into the way. Yeah, so that's what's happening.

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 2>But Shanda, we're in August nineteen ninety one. Shanda Share

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:41.759
<v Speaker 2>is not that vibe. She loves pop music. She has

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:45.279
<v Speaker 2>big ass curls, whole can of hairspray, and she.

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 3>Was really close to their mom. They hung out a lot,

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 3>and she.

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Was just she's kind of like the typical teen nineties vibe.

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, looks like a sweet girl.

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 2>She did gymnastics, basketball, cheerleading, social butterfly. But this was

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 2>when she was in Kentucky. She was going to a

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 2>private school. Her mom decides, let's move closer to your

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 2>father and stepmother. You love them, you get along, So

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:10.320
<v Speaker 2>they moved to Indiana. Shanda's happy, she gets to be

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 2>with all her family, but she starts in a public school,

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 2>which is giant. It's so much bigger than our other school.

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.319
<v Speaker 2>So we're in seventh grade at the new school and

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:24.400
<v Speaker 2>this drama starts with this girl who's her new friend. Says,

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:26.520
<v Speaker 2>I want to break up with my boyfriend. Will you

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 2>give him back the ring that he gave me? And

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 2>she's desperate for new friends. She's new at a school.

0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:33.759
<v Speaker 2>She's like, yeah, of course you'll do this. So she

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:34.479
<v Speaker 2>goes to this.

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:37.400
<v Speaker 3>Guy and is like, my friend's breaking up with her. Oh,

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 3>here's the ring.

0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:42.400
<v Speaker 2>And the guy's cousin is this chick, Amanda, And so

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 2>Amanda is like, what the fuck are you doing to

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:45.200
<v Speaker 2>my cousin.

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to.

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:49.839
<v Speaker 2>Protect my fucking cousin. Very new Jersey housewife vibe. So she,

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, they start fighting. Shanda gets shoved, it's a

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.839
<v Speaker 2>physical altercation, bump on her head and after the fight

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 2>she was putting attention for a week for.

0:39:59.080 --> 0:39:59.839
<v Speaker 3>Giving a ring.

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Well they fought, yeah, but this is another thing. And

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 2>when the teachers do get involved, they punish the wrong.

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, it's like they have the fuck God,

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:11.120
<v Speaker 1>I hate everybody deep breath.

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:12.120
<v Speaker 3>I know, do you know what I mean?

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Where it's like you get called bad names and you

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 2>fight back and then your shuble. It's like it's so bad,

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 2>not that this is what happened, but it just reminded

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 2>me of adults. So after the fight, she's put in

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.760
<v Speaker 2>attention for a week. But then Amanda and Shanda actually

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 2>become friends in attention instead of fighting, and the mom

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:29.799
<v Speaker 2>is like, excuse me, you're friends with this bitch who

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 2>hit you.

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:31.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't like that. And she's like, we get along.

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 3>And this is classic, like the movie thirteen.

0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've seen, but any bad Girl team,

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 2>even in Full House, you know the little the little whatever.

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 3>Bad the cousin's name who she becomes friends with Amanda. Yeah,

0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:46.360
<v Speaker 3>so Amanda and Shanda. Yeah that's cute. I bet they

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 3>totally said that. Yeah.

0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they had groups called Shamanda. So, but this is

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 2>really shocking for the early nineties, really thrilling. Amanda is

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:57.760
<v Speaker 2>an out lesbian and has a girlfriend named Melinda Lovelace

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 2>and they're in a relationship. They're sixty well Melinda was

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:04.399
<v Speaker 2>held back, so that's why she's in the same grade

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 2>but older. Okay, so you know they're in a relationship.

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 2>They're very open about the relationship, which for this time

0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 2>period is pretty exciting to be like teen lesbians out

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 2>and about.

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 3>They got harrass for being gay. They don't give a fuck.

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Amanda did break up with Melinda to hang out with

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:22.839
<v Speaker 2>Shanda because she realized Shanda's younger and she can control her.

0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't need Melinda's older energy. She wants to control Shanda. Okay,

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 2>so you know there's a lot of love letters, compliments,

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 2>do you like girls? And Shanda's twelve? Oh my god,

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 2>bt does she's twelve? During this she didn't have a

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:41.600
<v Speaker 2>defined sexuality. That's from her mom. I mean, maybe she

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 2>knew she was gay, like who knows? Or maybe she wasn't.

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It doesn't matter. These are young people.

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Amanda lays it on thick. They spend a lot of

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 2>time together. In Shanda grees to be Amanda's date to

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the dance, so they go to the dance together. Melinda

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:56.319
<v Speaker 2>shows up to the dance and she's obviously pissed. Oh

0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:00.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, she's jealous. She sees Shanda's competition and she

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:03.760
<v Speaker 2>gives Shanda a warning, stay the fuck away from Amanda.

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:05.839
<v Speaker 3>They don't care.

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 2>They continue hanging, but Shanda's mother sees changes. You know,

0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:12.799
<v Speaker 2>she's failing classes, she's forging her mom's signature, and every

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 2>time she's in trouble, she's with Amanda.

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 3>Her mom tries to ban Amanda. It doesn't work.

0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:20.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean we're teno, that's not gonna happen. She also

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 2>finds the letters. She knows that they're having gay sex.

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 2>She goes, I actually don't care that she's gay at all.

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:29.400
<v Speaker 2>She's like, but she's twelve. Yeah, she's a kid, you know,

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 2>the seventh grade, and so she's really mad. So she

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 2>transferred Shanda to a Catholic school to get away from

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 2>the bad girl, and she said within weeks and new friends,

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 2>she's trying out for cheerleading, she's busy, and she actually

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:42.560
<v Speaker 2>doesn't care about Amanda anymore. So she's ignoring Amanda, and

0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Amanda gets obsessed Amanda's best Yeah, I love your noises

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:49.880
<v Speaker 2>so much. I really feel like so gossipy, just crazy.

0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 2>This is murder, but it's all like teen gossipy. It's

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 2>like it's just it's a lot to handle. So Amanda's obsessed.

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:58.560
<v Speaker 2>So Shanda writes a letter to Lisa, some other friend

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.160
<v Speaker 2>and is like, I wish Amanda would stop following me

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:01.920
<v Speaker 2>and leave me alone.

0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:03.359
<v Speaker 3>So she makes it really clear, like.

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Amanda is on my grail, get off my jock, get

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 2>away from me, go to sleep, Okay, So January eleventh,

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety two, that's where we're at ten forty five am.

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 2>A local hunter at his favorite spot reports that he

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:22.719
<v Speaker 2>found a burned body. It has been three years since

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 2>the last homicide in this town, so it you know,

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 2>it shocks the town.

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 3>I also want to go backwards a.

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Little bit and say that the first black officer in

0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 2>southern Indiana, Curtis Wells, is like a big He's the

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.440
<v Speaker 2>big investigator in this case, and so you can imagine

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:39.319
<v Speaker 2>he's seen some shit.

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 3>He's like the.

0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 2>First black cop and in this whole county of Indiana.

0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you know he's seen a lot. And he's

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:47.920
<v Speaker 2>he's horrified about this. I mean, he's like crying in

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 2>these interviews, like I think it was really horrible. You know,

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:56.719
<v Speaker 2>they smelled burned flesh. The victim was super burned, and

0:43:56.760 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 2>it was just really horrible. And the victims had clenched

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 2>fists and up in there like she was fighting. She

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 2>really was fighting. They found a soda bottle with accelerant

0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:11.360
<v Speaker 2>in it. And this is what they didn't understand. There's

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 2>so much woods. Why would you put the body out

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:18.400
<v Speaker 2>in the open so you want someone to see the body,

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Like you could have hidden the body in the woods

0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.120
<v Speaker 2>and it wouldn't have been found till next winter or something.

0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:26.560
<v Speaker 2>So it was a little confusing. Why would you leave

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:27.800
<v Speaker 2>it out in the open. And this is where the

0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 2>occult stuff comes out? Where is this a satanic thing?

0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Is this a ritual?

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:36.200
<v Speaker 1>What's going on exactly?

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:40.359
<v Speaker 2>And this all happens next to this abandoned house that's

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 2>called by locals is the Witch's House, very hocus pokes,

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 2>and teens go there to drink and do demonic shit

0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:51.239
<v Speaker 2>and probably get fingered, as all teens like to do.

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:55.560
<v Speaker 3>So they're like Winifred's.

0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:03.840
<v Speaker 2>So they're like, is are there rituals?

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 3>What's going on here?

0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 2>A distraught teen shows up at the precinct that night

0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:10.160
<v Speaker 2>at nine to thirty pm.

0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:12.719
<v Speaker 3>Her name is Tony. That's pretty fun a girl and

0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 3>the name is Tona.

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>You know she's I used to know Tony's In the

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:17.440
<v Speaker 1>eighties when I was younger, we had like a babysitter

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:19.880
<v Speaker 1>named Tony. It was like, I think it was always Intonio,

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 1>but it was like a cool eighties nickname.

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:24.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's always like when a girl has a boy's name,

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:28.800
<v Speaker 2>it's yeah, fun Joey for Josephine whatever. So Tony Lawrence

0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:31.360
<v Speaker 2>says she knows something about the murder. So this is

0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 2>January eleventh. The body is found in the morning. I'm

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:37.800
<v Speaker 2>taking us back one day to January tenth Shanda. So basically,

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:39.759
<v Speaker 2>the dad told her to turn off the TV and

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 2>go to bed.

0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 3>At seven am.

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:43.959
<v Speaker 2>When the stepmom wakes up, Shanda's not in her room,

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.480
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, maybe she's snuck out. They search a

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:50.920
<v Speaker 2>few neighborhoods, they can't find her. So, you know, Steve

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 2>calls the mom and you know, her heart falls to

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:57.319
<v Speaker 2>the floor and she rushes to the dad's house and

0:45:57.600 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 2>she sees Shanda's purse is on the table and she goes,

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 2>my daughter would go nowhere without that purse that purses

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.919
<v Speaker 2>everything to her. Call the police, right fucking now, whoa

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:08.800
<v Speaker 2>So they call the police, they file a missing person's report.

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 2>They called Amanda, and Amanda said, no, I have not

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:14.880
<v Speaker 2>seen her, and gave a suggestion of another person and

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 2>said maybe this other person knows. So right away we're like,

0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:19.640
<v Speaker 2>maybe she knows something like how.

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:21.720
<v Speaker 3>Do you what? How are you and helping?

0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:24.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's a little suspicious Tony's family, this is the

0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 2>girl who came to give information about the murder. She's

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:32.440
<v Speaker 2>a wallflower, good kid, but this good I love this,

0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:35.960
<v Speaker 2>but this good kid had an evil tale to tell. Okay,

0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 2>they go into the room, they interview her. She's crying

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.680
<v Speaker 2>so much, she's unhinged. She says, basically, she met a

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.000
<v Speaker 2>girl last night that was bragging about going to the

0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 2>witch's house and murdering a girl. And she heard the

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:51.160
<v Speaker 2>name Shanda. So suddenly, this is what we always want.

0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 2>The counties start working together, so they called her county.

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 2>They cross examined with Shanda, and they realize this is

0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the body, and this is we you know, we believe

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:04.280
<v Speaker 2>that a big problem with police and how the Golden

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:06.960
<v Speaker 2>State killer was able to kill for so long as

0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:08.440
<v Speaker 2>that cops don't work.

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 3>With each other.

0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, jurisdictions like have no reciprocity, they don't speak to

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:12.360
<v Speaker 1>one another.

0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is really nice to see that the

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 2>counties were communicating with each other. So midnight that night,

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:23.280
<v Speaker 2>a cop comes to the dazz door and says, Shanda's

0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:25.920
<v Speaker 2>gone and she has been murdered.

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:29.160
<v Speaker 3>So that sucks.

0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 2>It's really upsetting, and you know, even more upsetting, she

0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:37.319
<v Speaker 2>was alive when she was set on fire and she

0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 2>died of smoke and elation.

0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:45.080
<v Speaker 3>So that sucks. Yeah, that really sucks.

0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:48.400
<v Speaker 2>So Tony says, this girl Hope and her and the

0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:50.960
<v Speaker 2>other teens that are involved are in a town called Madison,

0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:53.719
<v Speaker 2>fifty miles away from Shanda's town. So it's like, how

0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:56.440
<v Speaker 2>do you even know Shanda? And they said they didn't

0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:58.839
<v Speaker 2>know her and they didn't even have plans to know her.

0:47:59.200 --> 0:47:59.840
<v Speaker 3>What happened?

0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 2>So Hope and Tony are friends from kindergarten, and Hope

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:07.759
<v Speaker 2>introduces Tony to Laurie Tackert. She has blonde, short hair

0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:10.920
<v Speaker 2>and she loves being gothic. So they meet this girl, Laurie,

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 2>and that's when Laurie asks, Hope, have you asked Tony Y?

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 2>And Tonia is like, what what are you talking about?

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:19.840
<v Speaker 2>And Laurie says, we're going to kill a little girl tonight,

0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 2>and Tony doesn't believe it. She thinks it's a sick joke.

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:24.800
<v Speaker 2>She's like, a sure, we're gonna kill a girl tonight,

0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 2>you know. So Laurie drives and they're picking up another

0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:31.080
<v Speaker 2>girl and that girl wants to kill this girl. So

0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:35.160
<v Speaker 2>we get the vibe that Laurie just has bloodlust she

0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:38.319
<v Speaker 2>wants to murder, and she met the perfect person who

0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:39.360
<v Speaker 2>has someone to murder.

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:41.359
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so we have one person.

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Who wants to kill Shanda, and we have one person

0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:44.439
<v Speaker 2>who's like, I don't care.

0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Who I kill, but somebody to die.

0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:51.239
<v Speaker 2>So they get to Shanda's house around midnight and to

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:54.479
<v Speaker 2>get her out Hope and Tony. Shanda's never met Hope

0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 2>and Tony, and Hope and TONI are like, listen, Amanda's

0:48:57.480 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 2>waiting for you.

0:48:58.280 --> 0:48:59.160
<v Speaker 3>She wants to see you.

0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:02.240
<v Speaker 2>She sent us here to get you to her, and

0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:04.720
<v Speaker 2>you know it's love, like she did date this girl,

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.160
<v Speaker 2>like there is a little bit there. She wants to

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 2>see Amanda. So she leaves with these girls without the car,

0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 2>though without her purse. So she leaves with two girls

0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:17.400
<v Speaker 2>she's never met to go see Amanda she's had a

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:21.160
<v Speaker 2>relationship with and wants to see stuff. She opens the

0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:24.360
<v Speaker 2>car door, she doesn't recognize any of these girls. She's like, okay,

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:27.839
<v Speaker 2>who are you whatever. Then she's like, wait, I want

0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:29.880
<v Speaker 2>to see Amanda. Where's Amanda? What's happening? And they're like,

0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Amanda's waiting for you at the Witch's house. See, none

0:49:32.760 --> 0:49:34.959
<v Speaker 2>of these are red flags for little shand.

0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 3>It's the middle of the night. I don't know, the

0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:37.600
<v Speaker 3>middle of the night.

0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:39.359
<v Speaker 1>It's a car for girls you've never known, and you're

0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:42.680
<v Speaker 1>going to meet your mean next girlfriend at the witch's house.

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:45.160
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not blaming her in any way. I just

0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 1>am surprised she went along with all these red flags.

0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:49.239
<v Speaker 1>But I guess if I was twelve and people came

0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:50.560
<v Speaker 1>to pick me up in a car, I'd be like,

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:51.759
<v Speaker 1>where to you know?

0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:54.320
<v Speaker 3>But that's the thing with these situations.

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:59.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I, You're like, you totally put yourself in

0:49:59.560 --> 0:49:59.919
<v Speaker 2>these shoes.

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.480
<v Speaker 3>You're like, I could see myself doing it.

0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:05.040
<v Speaker 2>If someone had like a huge crush on or because

0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:06.640
<v Speaker 2>I didn't date much of it, but like if it

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 2>was someone in there, like listen, she's I don't.

0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:11.680
<v Speaker 3>But it's also this thing of ignoring your gut. Who

0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 3>knows what.

0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Shanda was feeling and being like, no, I'll go, I'll try. Yeah,

0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:18.800
<v Speaker 2>that's the whole thing, and we need to teach everyone constantly,

0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:21.759
<v Speaker 2>like listen to your intuition, no matter how foolish she being,

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:23.960
<v Speaker 2>sometimes fucking follow it.

0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:27.000
<v Speaker 3>But we don't know. So she agrees to the trip.

0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 3>There's a twist.

0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:33.719
<v Speaker 2>It's not Amanda, it's a Melinda loveless it was Melinda.

0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:38.040
<v Speaker 3>It's Melinda. I am shook right now? Yeah, wow, are

0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:40.200
<v Speaker 3>you impressed with how I played this? You played that?

0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:42.319
<v Speaker 3>I was like, why are you telling me about LORI?

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:47.759
<v Speaker 3>Who are these people? Oh my god? Yeah, it was Melinda.

0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:50.759
<v Speaker 3>It's Melinda. It's the job. But did Melinda even know

0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:53.520
<v Speaker 3>that they weren't even together anymore? She didn't care. She

0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:56.760
<v Speaker 3>was just like, fuck this little two. This is the thing.

0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Like, that's the thing, with like a lot of this

0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:02.400
<v Speaker 2>and as he touches on this a lot with so suopass.

0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:05.200
<v Speaker 3>Can you rehabilitate? Can you change that?

0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:08.879
<v Speaker 2>It's like an ongoing theme of the show, and most

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:13.160
<v Speaker 2>you can't. If you feel nothing, you will never feel anything.

0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:13.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So is it because this girl is in such

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:18.960
<v Speaker 3>a jealous rage or she fucking cares?

0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:21.080
<v Speaker 1>She just like, you know, who would be great? This

0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:24.200
<v Speaker 1>girl who pissed me off this one time? Yeah, Melinda.

0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:27.960
<v Speaker 2>They arrest Laurie and Melinda for the murder of this

0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:31.279
<v Speaker 2>girl less than one day after the murder. So, I know,

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:35.160
<v Speaker 2>teens that murder. It takes time to get good at murdering. Like,

0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:39.399
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of evidence you think maybe fire takes

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:42.600
<v Speaker 2>away evidence, and you know people that are professionals and

0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:44.640
<v Speaker 2>fire shit are like, no, it creates evidence.

0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 3>You're you're feeding us constant evidence. Yeah.

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:51.760
<v Speaker 2>And our favorite doctor Michael Badden, forensic pathologist, he always says,

0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:54.440
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of killers usually they either leave something

0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 2>or take something.

0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:59.560
<v Speaker 3>It's very rare. That's something like that. That scene is

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:00.839
<v Speaker 3>completely undisturbed.

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they find a bunch of evidence like they do

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:08.920
<v Speaker 2>in the SVU episode. There's blood, hair, weapons, bodily fluids.

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:10.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the cop was like you could tell she

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:14.560
<v Speaker 2>had such a terrible night. And I think SVU handled

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:20.160
<v Speaker 2>this adaptation very well in showing that Emily suffered in

0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that car for yrs. Yeah, and so did Shanta unfortunately.

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:28.520
<v Speaker 2>So they started investigating exactly what happened. And Melinda, like

0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times, her father was a monster. She

0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:35.000
<v Speaker 2>was physically and sexually abused her whole childhood. Her father

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:37.760
<v Speaker 2>was convicted of that, and she was just like a violent,

0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:41.320
<v Speaker 2>jealous teen and had to be her way. And again,

0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:45.000
<v Speaker 2>why I believe that all kids should get therapy non stop.

0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:48.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, like you can't let abuse go unchecked like

0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:51.640
<v Speaker 2>this for so long. You're gonna fucking snap or have

0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:56.560
<v Speaker 2>some personality flaws. So Amanda's dad actually earlier filed complaints

0:52:56.600 --> 0:53:00.120
<v Speaker 2>against Melinda's letters, and in the letters, she threatened to

0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:03.000
<v Speaker 2>kill Shanda, but she needed Laurie to help with the murder.

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:05.440
<v Speaker 2>But she was like sending Amanda letters saying she was

0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:08.879
<v Speaker 2>going to kill Shanda. Well, it's like that the dad

0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:11.920
<v Speaker 2>filed complaints against Melinda so and these letters. So I

0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:13.680
<v Speaker 2>don't know what the cops were waiting for, if they

0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:16.279
<v Speaker 2>received these letters or not. I'm not really sure how

0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:18.719
<v Speaker 2>that an investigation or what if they listened. But that's

0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:22.439
<v Speaker 2>another awful crime trope that always happens where cops don't

0:53:22.480 --> 0:53:24.720
<v Speaker 2>do shit until it's too late. Yeah, if a cops

0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:26.640
<v Speaker 2>saw those letters, I mean, I'm getting angry right now.

0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:28.360
<v Speaker 3>If they saw those letters and did nothing.

0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Laurie came from a fundamentalist home and so her rebellion

0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:35.920
<v Speaker 2>was getting into satan and witches. She loved fire arson,

0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:38.879
<v Speaker 2>she talked about wanting to burn someone for a very

0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:39.359
<v Speaker 2>long time.

0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh good, a true bloodlust.

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:44.520
<v Speaker 2>They kept saying Lauri needed to kill Melinda had someone

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:46.920
<v Speaker 2>to kill, so they needed someone to lure them. And

0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:49.120
<v Speaker 2>they really don't think that Hope and that other and

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Tony knew what it was actually going to happen, Like

0:53:52.600 --> 0:53:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they were fully aware of.

0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they needed someone to lure Shanda, and they just

0:53:57.320 --> 0:54:00.160
<v Speaker 1>were like these if we if the less these girls know,

0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:02.120
<v Speaker 1>the better, just get her to come out, you know.

0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:04.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they just thought it would be like teaching her

0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:06.520
<v Speaker 2>a lesson, maybe a couple of time, but even still.

0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:07.920
<v Speaker 3>It's like, you guys are fucking idiots.

0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:11.399
<v Speaker 2>So the two main teens are arrested, but the other

0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:14.239
<v Speaker 2>two girls are also charged, So all four teens will

0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:16.000
<v Speaker 2>be charged as adults.

0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:20.319
<v Speaker 3>And even Hope in Tony yes, yes.

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:23.799
<v Speaker 2>Because that's the thing. They had multiple times to stop this.

0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah they did not. And you know, I'm sure there's

0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 2>lots of debates about how involved. Like you know, it's

0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.440
<v Speaker 2>how we talk about with like our government now too,

0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:38.320
<v Speaker 2>where like the moderates that stay silent are the most dangerous.

0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:40.680
<v Speaker 2>It's not like the most crazy of the people. It's

0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:43.520
<v Speaker 2>the bystanders, the people that stam.

0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Could have done some well.

0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:46.319
<v Speaker 1>And that's like in the episode, these girls were like,

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:48.239
<v Speaker 1>we didn't do anything, and it's like you sat there

0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:51.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of like loving it, like you didn't do anything.

0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:54.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, Yeah, and you know, how do Tony did

0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:55.920
<v Speaker 3>come to the police.

0:54:56.000 --> 0:54:57.760
<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, I wonder if that gives her anything

0:54:57.800 --> 0:54:59.640
<v Speaker 1>in her trial, but I think yeah.

0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:02.319
<v Speaker 2>So, so the two main girls are up for the

0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 2>death penalty. Whoa so to get the death penalty off

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the table, the girls plead guilty.

0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:08.759
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:13.160
<v Speaker 2>December nineteen ninety two, the hearings begin, but no girls

0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:13.840
<v Speaker 2>go to trial.

0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:17.240
<v Speaker 3>They all plead guilty. There's absolutely no trial.

0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:17.960
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 2>It comes out like Shanda begged and pleaded for her life,

0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:23.480
<v Speaker 2>like this was a lot of steps. They could have

0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:26.760
<v Speaker 2>stopped so many times. There's like they're tying rope to Shanda.

0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:29.440
<v Speaker 2>The girls did nothing. Melinda's punching her. She was like

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:32.160
<v Speaker 2>it hurts. They did nothing. They try. Oh god, this

0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:36.040
<v Speaker 2>is awful. I forgot about this. They tried to slice

0:55:36.040 --> 0:55:37.839
<v Speaker 2>her throat, but the knife was too dull.

0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:38.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh god.

0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:43.040
<v Speaker 2>So they strangle her unconscious, throw her in the trunk.

0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:46.080
<v Speaker 2>They start driving. She's in so much pain for hours.

0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:49.960
<v Speaker 2>They drive all night and sometimes they stop to beat her.

0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:54.800
<v Speaker 2>It's morning. She's still alive and she's making too much noise.

0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:57.600
<v Speaker 2>So they pull over. Laurie gets out and they hit

0:55:57.640 --> 0:55:59.799
<v Speaker 2>her with a tirn iron on her head.

0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:01.160
<v Speaker 3>They laugh about it.

0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:04.720
<v Speaker 2>The last stop is they buy the two leaders soda,

0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:09.360
<v Speaker 2>they fill it with gasoline, and they take her to

0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:12.239
<v Speaker 2>a row near Madison and they do it. I don't

0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:14.719
<v Speaker 2>have to explain what they do. The cops are pissed.

0:56:14.719 --> 0:56:16.680
<v Speaker 2>They're like, there's no hell big enough for these girls.

0:56:16.760 --> 0:56:20.759
<v Speaker 2>And again another horrifying detail. I'm sorry to have to

0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:23.600
<v Speaker 2>share this. Her last words were mommy. She was like

0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:25.959
<v Speaker 2>crying for her mom which they said in the SVU.

0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:28.000
<v Speaker 1>We forgot to mention that they did say that nsfe

0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:30.799
<v Speaker 1>that she cried for her mommy, and the girls laughed.

0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:32.360
<v Speaker 3>At that, which is awful.

0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, tell me about their sentences why, I would't know

0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:36.880
<v Speaker 1>how much they got.

0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:39.480
<v Speaker 2>So you know, Laurie and Melinda tried to blame each other.

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:44.759
<v Speaker 2>Of course, everyone's on each other. So basically, the two girls,

0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:48.200
<v Speaker 2>the main girls, are sentenced to sixty years in prison.

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Hope sixty years in prison.

0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Tony was the least involved and got twenty years in prison.

0:56:56.520 --> 0:56:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't feel bad for.

0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Any of these people with their sences, obviously, and the

0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:04.000
<v Speaker 2>dad never recovered and he drank himself to death and

0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:04.520
<v Speaker 2>is very.

0:57:04.480 --> 0:57:06.719
<v Speaker 3>Next Shanda's dad. Yeah, he can.

0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:09.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, losing a child in this way is so hard.

0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:12.799
<v Speaker 2>Now I do need to update everybody. All four of

0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:17.800
<v Speaker 2>them are out on parole, all of them, all four wow. Yeah,

0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:21.160
<v Speaker 2>so they each served like like Melinda got out last

0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Aguess and she served twenty six years. But they're all free,

0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:26.680
<v Speaker 2>and you can watch interviews of all of them chit

0:57:26.760 --> 0:57:28.240
<v Speaker 2>chatting and talking.

0:57:29.800 --> 0:57:33.560
<v Speaker 3>All over town if you want. I yeah, all four

0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:34.240
<v Speaker 3>of them are out.

0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:36.439
<v Speaker 1>Do you think Glory learned to not like have a

0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:40.120
<v Speaker 1>bloodlust and pyromaniac tendencies when she was in jail.

0:57:40.360 --> 0:57:42.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because the thing is, when I think

0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:44.280
<v Speaker 2>about it, twenty six years is so long, but it's

0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:44.919
<v Speaker 2>not long enough.

0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:48.200
<v Speaker 3>You were supposed to serve six when you're fifteen. They

0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:50.520
<v Speaker 3>all got out like forty.

0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Forties, so they can commit more crimes. Maybe they've learned.

0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I have no fucking idea. This brings up

0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:58.720
<v Speaker 2>so many more questions than answers. But the women are out.

0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 3>I can't these killers are that they're on parole. They're out. Wow.

0:58:03.600 --> 0:58:05.640
<v Speaker 2>But I'm glad people are still sitting in jail with

0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:06.960
<v Speaker 2>weed charges, you know what I mean.

0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:11.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's let these teams out.

0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know, tortured and murdered a girl over

0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:18.760
<v Speaker 2>a whole night, and we have people sitting in jail

0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:22.000
<v Speaker 2>for you know, drug chargers and people sitting in jail that.

0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:25.120
<v Speaker 3>Haven't even been found guilty of acme and yeah, these

0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:26.640
<v Speaker 3>murderers are out.

0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:28.440
<v Speaker 1>So I guess one of the big differences in the

0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:31.520
<v Speaker 1>case is just like probably the money and the bullying thing,

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:33.400
<v Speaker 1>because they were not a posse of girls that were

0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:35.800
<v Speaker 1>all friends with each other. Were kind of a hodgepodge group.

0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:38.160
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of the other details like kind of

0:58:38.200 --> 0:58:40.760
<v Speaker 1>match up with the episode. But this was not in

0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:42.800
<v Speaker 1>New York City, so it was not like elite private

0:58:42.800 --> 0:58:45.160
<v Speaker 1>school girls, and it wasn't like girls that were friends.

0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:47.600
<v Speaker 1>It was just like kind of sounds like a bunch

0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:52.280
<v Speaker 1>of board teens, to be honest, and then like two

0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:54.800
<v Speaker 1>board teams met up with two psychotic teens and this

0:58:54.920 --> 0:58:55.720
<v Speaker 1>is like what happened.

0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so if you have a teen, maybe sit them

0:58:58.640 --> 0:59:00.800
<v Speaker 2>down and let them know not to be an accomplice

0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:04.080
<v Speaker 2>to murder, like teacher kids, to stand up for stuff.

0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:06.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like hoping to I understand why these

0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:11.439
<v Speaker 2>two lunatics they are. How you know, but it's the thing.

0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:15.040
<v Speaker 2>It's like the fucking Holocaust happened. We all sit by. Yeah,

0:59:15.120 --> 0:59:17.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm part of the problem, but I know I've not

0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:19.320
<v Speaker 2>sat around as people gotten beat up.

0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:22.960
<v Speaker 1>And Lisa is definitely But I also wonder when Tony

0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and Hope because let's say it's switched and they realized,

0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:29.000
<v Speaker 1>uh oh, yeah, well, how do they know they're not next?

0:59:29.000 --> 0:59:30.760
<v Speaker 3>So I also understand the fear, like how do you

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:33.919
<v Speaker 3>stand up to these lunatics that could literally just get

0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:35.720
<v Speaker 3>you next and beat the shit out of you with

0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:37.440
<v Speaker 3>a tire iron. Yeah, And I just.

0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Want to say, if anyone wants to watch any of

0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:44.360
<v Speaker 2>their interviews and you know, see these people they're on YouTube.

0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, We're going to take a quick break

0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:48.240
<v Speaker 1>and we come back. We're gonna have a guest from

0:59:48.240 --> 1:00:00.800
<v Speaker 1>the show. Really excited for our next guest. This actor

1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:05.000
<v Speaker 1>has been in the controversial movie Bully These is a

1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:08.480
<v Speaker 1>big fan, as well as Martin Scorsese's The Aviator and

1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Larsa and The Real Girl.

1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:10.880
<v Speaker 3>A real talent.

1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she was super incredible in the Lifetime movie

1:00:14.160 --> 1:00:16.040
<v Speaker 2>The Secret Life of Marilyn Monroe.

1:00:16.200 --> 1:00:19.000
<v Speaker 3>She was very perfect and looked so much like her.

1:00:19.080 --> 1:00:23.200
<v Speaker 1>We are beyond jazzed to talk today with mean girl

1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Britney O'Malley herself, Kelly Garner, can you hear me? Yeah?

1:00:30.720 --> 1:00:34.640
<v Speaker 2>So your character SVU is amazing. She yells at her mom.

1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:37.760
<v Speaker 2>She's not scared of jail. She is a murderer.

1:00:39.520 --> 1:00:42.240
<v Speaker 3>How yeah, I don't even know the first question, Well

1:00:42.360 --> 1:00:42.600
<v Speaker 3>would you?

1:00:43.040 --> 1:00:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Can you give us a rundown from like did you

1:00:45.240 --> 1:00:47.520
<v Speaker 1>audition for this? Or like how did it go?

1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:51.840
<v Speaker 5>I one hundred percent auditioned for this, and I had

1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:54.400
<v Speaker 5>so much confidence. I just knew I was going to

1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:58.080
<v Speaker 5>get this because I grew up with a sister who's

1:00:58.080 --> 1:00:59.280
<v Speaker 5>only like two and a half years.

1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:04.520
<v Speaker 4>Older than me. We she but we are like extremely dramatic.

1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:08.040
<v Speaker 5>So I just grew up in a household where if

1:01:08.040 --> 1:01:10.960
<v Speaker 5>you did your laundry and your white sweater got dyed red,

1:01:11.080 --> 1:01:14.760
<v Speaker 5>it was like screaming and crying and it was just

1:01:15.360 --> 1:01:20.080
<v Speaker 5>my parents somehow miraculously allowed us to just be the

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<v Speaker 5>he's got a free, wonderful, awful children. So yes, so

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<v Speaker 5>I auditioned for it. You guys, I think it was

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<v Speaker 5>one of the first times Law and Order, which shoots

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<v Speaker 5>in New York, came to LA to cast and I

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<v Speaker 5>think they came to La to cast for this because

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<v Speaker 5>they wanted a very specific like valley.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted like blonde bitchy girls.

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<v Speaker 4>They wanted blonde bitchy girls. And they came to the

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<v Speaker 4>right place. They came to Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember hearing that fact, but this was what sixteen

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<v Speaker 5>years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>So I went in.

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<v Speaker 5>I coached with my acting coach at the time when

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<v Speaker 5>I was little, and he just I think he just

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<v Speaker 5>gave me really good, great notes where it was just

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<v Speaker 5>go big or go home, you know, like she goes

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<v Speaker 5>from being calm and docile to playing a victim to

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<v Speaker 5>you know, screaming for you know, not even caring that

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<v Speaker 5>she's being caught, but just doesn't want to go down alone.

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<v Speaker 5>And so we just had fun playing with going bigger,

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<v Speaker 5>going home. I remember being so nervous in an audition because

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<v Speaker 5>I just sit in that chair and then just start screaming.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. And so that's what happened. I booked it.

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<v Speaker 4>My hair got bleached.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to ask you, was your hair of

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<v Speaker 3>that color? Or did they like hype it all the

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<v Speaker 3>way they hyped it?

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<v Speaker 4>And here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 5>So I did something for this podcast, which is I watched.

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<v Speaker 4>The episode, which I had.

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<v Speaker 5>Not seen since it came out, and I thought I

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<v Speaker 5>was going to cringe, but.

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<v Speaker 3>You were unpressed.

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<v Speaker 5>Well I was, I mean I was so young, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I was kind of impressed, and I more

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<v Speaker 5>cringed over like the color of my hair, Like I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, why did they my hairs like orange and straw?

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, what is what?

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<v Speaker 2>My theory is that you were the head evil, so

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<v Speaker 2>you were the most blonde and it went down from there,

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<v Speaker 2>and the others they had more mousey hair, so you

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<v Speaker 2>could tell they weren't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because there was one girl in your group, the cheerleader,

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<v Speaker 1>who like barely got to talk. Like that girl must

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<v Speaker 1>have not like gotten like an under five rate or

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<v Speaker 1>something because she barely got to speak.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, she was definitely a five and with her five lines,

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<v Speaker 5>she killed it. She was genuinely crying in that scene.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm like, do you call the crowd of purse

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<v Speaker 5>so fun? That was for some time at Ariel Kebble,

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<v Speaker 5>And that was the first time I went to New

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<v Speaker 5>York City ever.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was winter, right, because like that doesn't the

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<v Speaker 1>episode start with like the snow eat the bloody snow

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like that in New York and the winter

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<v Speaker 1>is like a very specific time to come and see

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<v Speaker 1>New York for the first time.

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<v Speaker 5>Also, it was beautiful, and they put us up at

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<v Speaker 5>one of those like you know, touristy big hotel hells

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<v Speaker 5>that bordered the park. Yeah, and I forget which one

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<v Speaker 5>h and we took like you know, carriage.

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<v Speaker 4>Rides in the snow. We were just like living it up.

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<v Speaker 4>It was. It was really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I love that you guys got to be

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<v Speaker 2>like a group of girl guest stars. It's usually just

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<v Speaker 2>like one killer gets to join, so that must have

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<v Speaker 2>been fun to have pals that are also been flown in.

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<v Speaker 3>And we were wondering, is it wild.

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<v Speaker 2>That all this murder started because you guys were fighting

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<v Speaker 2>over a man dressed as grapes?

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<v Speaker 3>Was that shocking?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, what is wrong with that grape costume?

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, it's a pendulous.

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<v Speaker 5>Grape like dangs, weirdness areas. I felt bad for that actor.

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<v Speaker 5>He was like tried to like cross his arms and

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<v Speaker 5>be like, you know, look normal.

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<v Speaker 4>It was really funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have any memories?

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<v Speaker 2>We always ask everyone about any Mariska stories iced tea,

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<v Speaker 2>Any like any moments with the I'm being on set

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<v Speaker 2>with everyone.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I remember just being extremely intimidated.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean Marishka at that point, I think that was

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<v Speaker 5>the fourth season or something, and she was just so

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<v Speaker 5>dialed in and now having been a lead of a

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<v Speaker 5>television show as an actor, like I just realized how

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<v Speaker 5>much work that is, Like that is, it's no joke.

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<v Speaker 4>You just have no time.

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<v Speaker 5>So I remember just not wanting to fuck up and

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<v Speaker 5>everyone being super sweet, so professional.

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<v Speaker 4>But my favorite person on the cast.

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<v Speaker 5>Which I should have looked this up last night, is

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<v Speaker 5>the gentleman Dan Florak.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, he was so so wonderful in those interrogation scenes

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<v Speaker 5>and really gave me the confidence and the liberty to

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<v Speaker 5>just like trust my instincts because you can really play

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<v Speaker 5>in those scenes. And he just could not have been

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<v Speaker 5>a more giving, wonderful actor. And I've never forgotten how

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<v Speaker 5>he made me feel, and in fact, sometimes when I

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<v Speaker 5>don't feel great about myself, like he'll be one of

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<v Speaker 5>those those voices in my head that like just just

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<v Speaker 5>remember from him just instilling me.

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<v Speaker 3>God, I'm gonna cry. I love Captain Craign for the Wind.

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<v Speaker 2>So you were also in the movie Bully, which horrified

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<v Speaker 2>me when I watched it.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember when it came out. I remember like renting

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<v Speaker 3>it from.

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<v Speaker 2>Blockbuster, and you play another killer team kind of yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think it is about you?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, maybe I'm a psychopath and I'm just not

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<v Speaker 5>discouraging it. Actually, I think Larry Clark on the set

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<v Speaker 5>of Bully had had told me a really interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 5>And I believe I shot Bully, was shot before Law

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<v Speaker 5>and Order. And I think that's why my hair is

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<v Speaker 5>so many weird colors, because they had dyed my hair

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<v Speaker 5>blue from like Manning panic, and I had just it

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<v Speaker 5>took me years to try and get it normal. But

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<v Speaker 5>Larry had said, because I really had to fight for Bully,

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<v Speaker 5>because it was this sweet looking, you know, southern California, innocent.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't do drugs, like, I didn't belong in that world, strangely,

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<v Speaker 5>but I fought for it, and I read it and

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<v Speaker 5>he liked me as an actor, and he said, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it's easier for me to take an actress and dye

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<v Speaker 5>her hair and put her in clothing and put her

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<v Speaker 5>in great hair and makeup, and you know, get this

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<v Speaker 5>performance from her and care than to care about watching

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<v Speaker 5>this person kind of slip or fall from society, or

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<v Speaker 5>not make a right choice, or go back.

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<v Speaker 4>To drugs or do this thing.

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<v Speaker 5>It's better to take someone who has that kind of innocence,

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<v Speaker 5>which I had at the time I was seventeen, versus

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<v Speaker 5>somebody who understands that life and to try to get

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<v Speaker 5>the audience to have empathy for that person.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were saying like you and your sister were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of dramatic together and.

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<v Speaker 4>You play still are yeah, yeah, yeah too.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a sister too. I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you play a mean girl in this click of

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<v Speaker 1>mean girls in this movie. And is there any a

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<v Speaker 1>part of you that was like that when you were

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<v Speaker 1>in high school or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you have any mean girl tendencies?

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<v Speaker 5>I do have mean girl tendencies, but as I got older.

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<v Speaker 5>When I was in high school, I did not have

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<v Speaker 5>mean girl tendencies. In fact, I was picked on by

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<v Speaker 5>the mean girls because I had started acting and was

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<v Speaker 5>in things that people had seen. So then I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>like Kelly thinks she's like better than everybody, and like

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<v Speaker 5>Kelly this, and like so I kind of got that

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<v Speaker 5>type of shit from the girls who were supposed to

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<v Speaker 5>be my friends, and then I also have like a

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<v Speaker 5>really must up mouth for so long. So I just

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<v Speaker 5>don't think I was ever like. I didn't like fit

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<v Speaker 5>the part esthetically to like be a mean girl when

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<v Speaker 5>I was younger, because it was just like it took

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<v Speaker 5>me a second to come into myself. If I ever did,

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<v Speaker 5>if I ever did come into myself, this is still

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<v Speaker 5>a question in my mind.

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<v Speaker 4>But no, when I got older, I became a mean girl.

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<v Speaker 4>And I understand, I get kind of where.

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<v Speaker 5>It comes from because being young and successful and then

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<v Speaker 5>in Hollywood and living in Hollywood, it was hard, and

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<v Speaker 5>so I could see those tendencies of it was a

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<v Speaker 5>real need to almost like deflect and defend myself against

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<v Speaker 5>other people's comments or other people's judgments. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I had these years where I knew that I was

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<v Speaker 5>such a sweet person, but I could see how I

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<v Speaker 5>would oh god, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, And in the SVU episode, they doctor Hoang

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<v Speaker 2>talks about how girls are not raised to be aggressive,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we fight in these passive, aggressive, manipulative ways.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were still lady like well being mean, and

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<v Speaker 2>I liked learning.

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<v Speaker 5>That It's true. I think we use our female relationships

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<v Speaker 5>to kind of learn a lot about ourselves and.

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<v Speaker 4>It gets It's a tough one, man.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean relationships as I got older, I now have

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<v Speaker 5>some of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Most beautiful, healthy female relationships in my life.

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<v Speaker 5>But in my early twenties, I just couldn't tell what

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<v Speaker 5>was real, who wanted something?

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<v Speaker 4>Who was, you know, talking shit behind my back?

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<v Speaker 5>Who was It was just hard and you're alone and

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<v Speaker 5>you're scared and you're just trying to figure it out yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you do SVU again? Like if they came knocking?

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, I think it any one came knocking.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's important to look at the people who

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<v Speaker 5>want to work with you, even though we all have

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<v Speaker 5>aspirations and want to, you know, have the people we

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<v Speaker 5>want to work with. I think it's so important to

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<v Speaker 5>always look the people who want to work with you. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>So if that wasn't who see like your value as

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<v Speaker 5>you are? So yeah, they came knocking, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 5>It's funny because I think it was a couple of

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<v Speaker 5>years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>I went in.

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<v Speaker 5>It was with Dick Wolf and it was like a

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<v Speaker 5>big room for one of his new shows. And it

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<v Speaker 5>was funny because as soon as I stepped in, they

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<v Speaker 5>all remember me. It was like the same casting on

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<v Speaker 5>the same who all remember me from that girl?

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<v Speaker 4>You know? And so yeah, of course I would.

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<v Speaker 3>They're probably all like, do not mess with her? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel you would have to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be a right role.

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<v Speaker 5>I could never It's hard. I mean I'll go read

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<v Speaker 5>for them all the time. But if just me as

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<v Speaker 5>an FBI agent or anything in that field just seems.

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<v Speaker 4>Really like it's like a stretch.

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<v Speaker 5>But as like a guest star who's maybe a little unstable,

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<v Speaker 5>like I can do that, but yeah, to play like

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<v Speaker 5>the tough cop.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe one day maybe I'll calm.

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<v Speaker 5>And be able to like center and yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I do have some nonsview questions if that's okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Shoot, So I grew up on some like it hot,

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<v Speaker 2>and my mom's obsessed with Marilyn Monroe. We have stuff

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<v Speaker 2>all over the house. I was just like raised on

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<v Speaker 2>her and you killed it. I mean you totally embodied her.

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<v Speaker 2>It was insane to watch, and it was just so good.

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<v Speaker 2>And the wardrobe was so good.

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<v Speaker 4>The wardrobe Girsha Phillips.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was like a white little overall shorts thing

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<v Speaker 2>with like a red and pink pajama tool dress that

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<v Speaker 2>was so good, and I was just wondering what your

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<v Speaker 2>experience was playing such a well, first, did you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like the hottest girl in the world. You're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm being I'm playing marily Monroe.

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<v Speaker 5>This is well, Well, there were moments where, yes, you

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<v Speaker 5>were on set and you were lit and what's guy

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<v Speaker 5>shot all of Matt Chris Manley shot all of Madmen.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was just like it looked beautiful, especially for

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<v Speaker 5>a lifetime film, Like it just like really looked beautiful.

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<v Speaker 5>And so yeah, there were moments with the wig and

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<v Speaker 5>the hair and the makeup that you did. I did

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<v Speaker 5>feel like the most beautiful woman in the world. And

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<v Speaker 5>then I would go back to my trailer and like

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<v Speaker 5>get a look at myself in the mirror and be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not Marilyn Monroe. Like they also had her like

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<v Speaker 5>a thousand images of her face pasted in every like

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<v Speaker 5>head department's office if it was makeup or wardrobe or

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<v Speaker 5>or set deck, and so it was She's unbelievably unreal,

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<v Speaker 5>Like I would have loved to have seen what her

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<v Speaker 5>face looked like in person, and apparently like one of

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<v Speaker 5>the first faces of plastic surgery, which is crazy. Her

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<v Speaker 5>X rays her like work X Rays were sold at

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<v Speaker 5>auction I think, like a handful of years ago, so

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<v Speaker 5>it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Really daunting to play.

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<v Speaker 5>But I love Marilyn Monroe. I mean, I just she's intoxicating,

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<v Speaker 5>and she's a child, and she's a woman in process.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, she's like trying to be all these things.

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<v Speaker 5>And I really think too like she had had it

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<v Speaker 5>rough because she in a time where a woman was

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<v Speaker 5>trying to be defined. She was almost defining this archetype

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<v Speaker 5>of woman that is still unsettled.

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<v Speaker 2>And then another selfish question I have is Leonardo DiCaprio

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<v Speaker 2>was my number one crush growing up?

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<v Speaker 3>Was that fun? How was that working with him?

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<v Speaker 4>That was so much fun? That was so much fun?

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<v Speaker 4>That was my.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I was in love with him. I was,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean Roman Juliet, Like I couldn't believe that I

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<v Speaker 5>was getting to do that. And I was so nervous

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<v Speaker 5>too because it's Scorsese and it's DiCaprio, and I think

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<v Speaker 5>I'm in the scene too with like Alec Baldwin at

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<v Speaker 5>one point, and I got to have all these like

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<v Speaker 5>private samba lessons with like Leonardo DiCaprio, and like once

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<v Speaker 5>it had to be with like the dance instructor in

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<v Speaker 5>his like hotel room, because he'd flown in late from

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<v Speaker 5>I think, like hanging out.

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<v Speaker 4>With Giselle on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like in Montreal, and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 5>is crazy. He goes meet me at my hotel, like

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<v Speaker 5>the dance instructors there, and so you know, I got

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<v Speaker 5>to do all these private lessons and it was just

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<v Speaker 5>a dream. And I remember being on set and just

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<v Speaker 5>almost having a panic attack because I also have dark

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<v Speaker 5>eye contacts for this role, and every time I would blink,

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<v Speaker 5>they would just kind of like move and like wash

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<v Speaker 5>over this like dark color would wash over my eyes,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was having tunnel vision.

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<v Speaker 4>I was having a panic attack.

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<v Speaker 5>And there's like real vintage clothes, and I just remember

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<v Speaker 5>ice I swept so much from my armfits.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what's wrong with me. I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if it's healthy. I just do.

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember just being mortified because I had sweat

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<v Speaker 5>all day. And then at the end of like a

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<v Speaker 5>fucking nineteen hour day, I had to do this samba

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<v Speaker 5>with Leonardo Cacaprio in a vintage dress. And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>if anyone's ever worn a vintage dress and you sweat

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<v Speaker 5>in it. It just smells like one hundred years of mothballs.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I'm like dancing with him, and I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 5>it's not it's not me that smells it just it's

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<v Speaker 5>the dress.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I just want you to know, it's not me,

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<v Speaker 4>it's the dress. And I was just a young dork.

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<v Speaker 5>I was next in the hands of Romeo and just wow, embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 5>He's so sweet though, He's a very sweet, key, wonderful guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, what a great interview.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously she love Leonardo DiCaprio too. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>trust anyone who doesn't didn't have a crush.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I stand a down to earth actress. I really

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<v Speaker 1>feel like she seemed really just like, yeah, I had

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<v Speaker 1>to samba when I was sweaty with Leonardo DiCaprio.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fucking dramatic. It is weird because an aviator, he

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<v Speaker 3>plays a fucking weirdo. Like I've never seen that movie,

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<v Speaker 3>so I was kind of letting you take the lead

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<v Speaker 3>on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I loved that we learned facts from Kelly. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know that that was like the first time they

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<v Speaker 2>went to La to cast.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought they never cast it and I didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>they ever cast in La, but they went out out

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<v Speaker 1>there looking for blonde bitches and they got what they

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<v Speaker 1>came for.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love that she holds on to Captain Craigan's

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<v Speaker 2>dam Fork's advice me.

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<v Speaker 3>My heart melts it.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Dan Florik. I'm a Dan floric stand for life.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's so sweet that like he's the

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<v Speaker 1>person that like stuck in her head as like one

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<v Speaker 1>of her voices forever.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so cute. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think advice for everyone about that is like when

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<v Speaker 2>people tell you nice things.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember Kelly Gardner. Everyone, let's let's get into our post mortem.

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<v Speaker 2>We learned if you're a parent, honestly, Kara, you should

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<v Speaker 2>let Rosie yell at you, because then she might become

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<v Speaker 2>a successful actress.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but she could also be a stabber who takes

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch, takes a girlfriend on a joy ride, and

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<v Speaker 3>then stabs her to death because she went out with

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<v Speaker 3>her grape suited boyfriend. God, I don't know if I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna allow the yelling. I'll see a side. I think

1:16:55.280 --> 1:16:55.920
<v Speaker 3>I will say.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned, don't lie to the police when you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're about to be caught, like what the phone seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're a teenager. Please do not think you're smarter

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<v Speaker 1>than the police.

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<v Speaker 3>You're just not.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe if you're like hiding text messages inside of an

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<v Speaker 1>app on your phone, it's like they're always going to

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<v Speaker 1>find it, Like Taru is gonna find it. They're going

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<v Speaker 1>to find everything you're talking about. I do applaud the

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<v Speaker 1>changing of the voicemail though. I think that that's like

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<v Speaker 1>pretty smart for like when your parents call.

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<v Speaker 3>That's another lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are trying to sneak out, do that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>switch switch the numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>Switch.

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<v Speaker 1>But then if you get busted, you got to come clean.

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<v Speaker 1>The cops are definitely going to find out. Stabler will

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<v Speaker 1>call your bluff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I guess this is a lesson for

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<v Speaker 2>every episode. But it's like, don't kill Yeah, you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to jail. Also, if you steal things from

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<v Speaker 2>the victim, don't wear it to court.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no ring is cute enough to get busted on

1:17:52.360 --> 1:17:56.599
<v Speaker 3>the stand wearing Also class rings. We're not in the seventies.

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<v Speaker 3>If no one needs that, no baby, No, we're not.

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<v Speaker 3>No one needs ring.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a high school ring, go to therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that something that you're like holding on to and

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<v Speaker 2>enjoying and wearing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if high school was the best days of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry about the true crime. It's like, listen to

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<v Speaker 1>your mother. Don't listen, don't be I don't even don't

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<v Speaker 1>leave your house in the middle of the night with strangers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>please don't do that. That was a poor little Shonda

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<v Speaker 1>Share mistake. I just whoo, keep an eye on teenagers,

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<v Speaker 1>is all I'm saying. Like a teenager who's known as

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<v Speaker 1>having a thirst for blood, that's not good. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>her into a youth group of some sort. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>her to some school counseling.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, when the cops come to talk to you about

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<v Speaker 2>your friend's daughter being murdered, maybe be up.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop walking, Stop walking for five seconds, just pause.

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<v Speaker 3>You're wearing a fur can you just at least shed

1:18:51.680 --> 1:18:53.479
<v Speaker 3>one tier? One tier?

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<v Speaker 1>That made me so mad, Like I honestly would gasp

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<v Speaker 1>for a teenager, I don't know being murdered. Hey, I

1:19:00.520 --> 1:19:04.679
<v Speaker 1>cry constantly about things I don't know personally at all,

1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:07.759
<v Speaker 1>And this is like, my daughter will be so bummed. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yesterday, I cried at a montage of Obama being nice

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<v Speaker 2>to children.

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<v Speaker 3>Yesterday I cried at Mawana for the tenth time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know what to tell you, Mike, for

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<v Speaker 1>the threshold for tears is very low these days. All right, now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's find out what would sister Peg do. This is

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<v Speaker 1>our weekly segment where we give you a little resource

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<v Speaker 1>organization piece of reading, something that you can do to

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<v Speaker 1>get more information on a subject that was touched on

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<v Speaker 1>in today's episode. And today we'd like to direct your

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<v Speaker 1>attention to stomp out Bullying dot Org. This was obviously

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<v Speaker 1>an episode that had a lot to do with the

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<v Speaker 1>nightmare cycle of high school bullying. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not you have school age children or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that, it's always great to learn more about how

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<v Speaker 1>we can incorporate, you know, inclusion and equality and diversity.

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<v Speaker 3>Or if you're a.

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<v Speaker 2>Real housewife who feels personally victimized systematically bullied. Yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're also a grown woman that owns a wine company

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<v Speaker 2>for no reason and feels bullied when someone just calls

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<v Speaker 2>you out, you can also reach out to this org.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, in all seriousness, yeaes stomp out Bullying dot Org.

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<v Speaker 1>Important organization. Please give it a look. We just want

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<v Speaker 1>to touch really quickly on an organization that we shouted

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<v Speaker 1>out a couple weeks ago that one of our guests

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<v Speaker 1>is involved in.

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<v Speaker 3>That's called Prison Fellowship.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone brought to our attention that that group has some

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<v Speaker 1>anti LGBTQ and anti transleadings and that is not something

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<v Speaker 1>we would want to support. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>check out our show notes this week, we're highlighting lambdillegal

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<v Speaker 1>dot org, which has a there's an entire list on

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<v Speaker 1>their website of resources for transgender and gender nonconforming prisoners

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<v Speaker 1>and their allies, including the ACLU and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other organizations.

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<v Speaker 3>So check out this list at the link in our

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<v Speaker 3>show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Next week, we're gonna be watching season twenty one, episode seven, Counselor.

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