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Speaker 1: got a lot to get to this hour, but we

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Speaker 1: begin with the abomination that came upon us just over

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Speaker 1: nine years ago, the passage of Proposition forty seven. We

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Speaker 1: begged and pleaded with all of our listeners to vote no,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure most of them did, but it passed statewide. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this was the work of George Gasconne out of San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: and the voters were fooled by Jerry Brown's campaign of

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Speaker 1: lies by Kamala Harris, her misleading title and summary. She

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Speaker 1: was the Attorney general at the time, and that unleashed

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Speaker 1: a lot of public drug addiction and homeless They yeah,

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Speaker 1: reduced the threshold for shoplifting, but yeah, on the drug side,

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Speaker 1: it reduced a lot of drug crimes to misdemeanors. Right,

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Speaker 1: So the drugon Remember the key here was when they

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Speaker 1: were felonies, you could use that to get them into treatment.

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Speaker 1: All right, if you're going too treatment will reduce it

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Speaker 1: to a misdemeanor. But nowf it's already a misdemeanor, they

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Speaker 1: had a choice between going to jail and going to

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Speaker 1: drug treatment. And a lot of people took the drug treatment.

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Speaker 1: And now there are no drug crimes on the streets.

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Speaker 1: The police just drive by, and so that festers into

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Speaker 1: an extreme addiction and homelessness and insane behavior. And you

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Speaker 1: have the city of Los Angeles. So we're going to

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Speaker 1: be talking to doctor Stephen Bell, a former LAPD sergeant

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Speaker 1: who is now a criminologist and professor of criminal justice

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Speaker 1: at Mount Marty University in South Dakota. The co author

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Speaker 1: in this research was doctor Joshua Adams from Arizona State University.

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Speaker 1: And they actually called it do cops still care? Let's

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Speaker 1: get doctor Stephen Bell on welcome.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Thanks so much, John, Thanks Kim King. Congratulations on

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Speaker 2: your upcoming promotion to retirement.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. It's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 1: He will be in a better place, boss. You went

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Speaker 1: from LAPD to South Dakota. I did.

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Speaker 2: There was an opportunity in academia. You take the opportunities

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Speaker 2: that are presented to you, and one of the opportunities

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Speaker 2: to have a tenured position and in a criminal justice

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Speaker 2: propressorship was here in South Dakota. And I'd be lying

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Speaker 2: if I didn't say that having no state income tax

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Speaker 2: didn't play a role in that decision as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big part of this, all right, So

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Speaker 1: talk to us about this study, how you conducted in

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Speaker 1: what you found out, Well, this is.

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Speaker 2: A qualitative study where we looked at some of the

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Speaker 2: the enaction of prop. Forty seven. We really wanted to

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Speaker 2: before Proposition forty seven and then after Proposition forty seven,

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Speaker 2: and how those these laws and the defelainization specifically when

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Speaker 2: but just how did they make their decisions before props

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Speaker 1: Right, And as a felony, they might choose a drug

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. They felt as though they had been

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Speaker 2: They thought, Hey, if I can arrest them enough times, eventually,

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Speaker 2: maybe the rehabilitation will stick. With that leverage that you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: the idea of prom you know, they were given a choice.

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Speaker 2: The offenders were given a choice either go to prison

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they changed their behavior. Now they see something

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Speaker 2: if society doesn't care, why should I. They were giving

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Speaker 1: For two no faults there also by arresting someone doing

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Speaker 2: That absolutely, absolutely so there the perception of the officers

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Speaker 1: You know, as you talk about this out loud, because

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Speaker 1: how this originated. Why would it be better to take

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Speaker 1: What is the intelligence there? What good for society is

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Speaker 2: I can't speak specifically to that verbiage of why is

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Speaker 2: the impetus of property seven was to reduce the jail popation,

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Speaker 2: Any government can reduce the jail population through their own efforts,

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Speaker 1: Though this was sold as the safe neighborhood Acts and Steven.

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Speaker 2: That is absolutely not the perception of the officers that

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Speaker 2: So here's my choice. I can now that it's a misdemeanor.

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Speaker 2: They're going to just get a citation, so I can

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Speaker 2: they have to now go break into your car to.

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Speaker 1: Replace the meth immediate, So a cop is actually going

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Speaker 2: That's what he felt. The participants said that I'm creating

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Speaker 2: his math? And that's one less car that's broken into,

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Speaker 2: one less house is broken into. And that's just a fascinating,

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Speaker 1: Well, we just got done with a discussion of Prop

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Speaker 5: Here we go billionaire minimum tax not even at the

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Speaker 1: One problem for Biden a year from now or a

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Speaker 1: could be black voter support. He got ninety two percent

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Speaker 1: but new polling that's coming out shows that his support

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Speaker 1: Black voters. One pole of swing states, twenty two percent

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Speaker 1: theoretical matchup. So if somebody like Trump can jump from

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Speaker 1: election's over. Then that's I mean, right, they can't like vote.

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Speaker 1: It's not a big percentage of the American vote, but

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Speaker 1: that makes a difference, especially in swing states. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: the kind of the problem is inflation. A lot of

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Speaker 1: according to the people quoted in this article, that's what's

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Speaker 1: really bugging a lot of Black families, just like a

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Speaker 1: lot of American families. Yeah, most of one day, and

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Speaker 1: maybe it takes the younger generation to figure this out,

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Speaker 1: is they will realize that Democrats don't do anything for you,

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Speaker 1: and they don't care about you, They manipulate your emotions

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Speaker 1: and they use you. One day, black voters are going

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Speaker 1: to figure that out and make that much more competitive.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the young ones do because they don't carry around

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Speaker 1: the baggage that a lot of thes have. They talk

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Speaker 1: to one man in the story, and I think he's

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Speaker 1: some sort of with some organization. What about the fact

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Speaker 1: that de Biden has appointed a record number of black judges,

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Speaker 1: his answer was, that's token ism. If you look at

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Speaker 1: the economic conditions of the community, our kids are lagging

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Speaker 1: far behind. So what you appointed black judges? What does

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Speaker 1: that have to do with my ability to put food

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Speaker 1: on the table? Yes, exactly, a black judge doesn't pay

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Speaker 1: this guy's bills. Yes, people see through it. And it's

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Speaker 1: the same sort of charade that Newsom tries to play

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Speaker 1: with a lot of topics that don't have that much

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Speaker 1: relevance to everybody's everyday life. No, but he tries to

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Speaker 1: make it sound like he's in front on these things.

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Speaker 1: And now the abortion debates and the LGBTQ debate, and

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Speaker 1: it's emotional manipulation. And if people stop investing in these

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Speaker 1: guys as some kind of hero, some kind of leader,

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Speaker 1: some kind of you know, guru to follow Jesus. I

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Speaker 1: mean that is the attitude of a child who has

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Speaker 1: a baseball or a singer is a hero. A baseball

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Speaker 1: star or or singing star is a hero. They're not

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Speaker 1: your heroes. They're manipulat of little jerks, is what they are.

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Speaker 1: All right, We got more coming up. Johnny Ken KFI

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Speaker 1: AM six forty. We're live everywhere the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: what you missed A lot of good stuff today, so

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Speaker 1: be round two one eight seven seven Moist eighty six

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Speaker 1: one eight seven seven six six four seven eight eighty six. Well,

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Speaker 1: this's got a lot of headlines last night on websites

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Speaker 1: all over the place, and who else could it come?

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Speaker 1: From not Trump but Elon Musk, and of course it

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Speaker 1: would be a New York Times deal book, Summit, New

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Speaker 1: York Times, whatever that is. Aaron Ross Sorkin was interviewing

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk and the topic became the advertiser boycott on

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Speaker 1: X formerly known as Twitter X, which was renamed by Musk. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: there was a question about the Disney CEO Bob Iiger,

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Speaker 1: who was talking about Disney pulling advertising from X. Here

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Speaker 1: is the clip of some of Musk's reaction.

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Speaker 3: You don't want them to advertise?

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Speaker 6: No, what do you mean if somebody's gonna try to

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Speaker 6: blackmail me with advertising, blackmailing with money.

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Speaker 1: Go yourself, But go yourself?

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Speaker 4: Is that clear?

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Speaker 1: I hope it is. Hey Bob, Hey Bob. If you're

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Speaker 1: in the audience, that's how I feel. Don't advertise as

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Speaker 1: the rest of that wow, right, Because well, when you

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Speaker 1: got billions like he does, you don't really have to

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Speaker 1: care if advertisers drop out. You can support the platform

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Speaker 1: with your own money. But although he did say, if

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Speaker 1: you know enough of them pull, that's going to end it.

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Speaker 1: That's going to end X or Twitter. People still call it.

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Speaker 1: People still like to call it Twitter because they call

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Speaker 1: it Twitter for so many years, yeah, or they hate

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Speaker 1: Musk and they want to call it X. Yes, but

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Speaker 1: there's no tracking Musk. He's his own a bizarre genius.

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Speaker 1: Have a lot of people dropped out of Twitter X,

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Speaker 1: have they? I don't, I mean, I mean users, I

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Speaker 1: don't mean users, I don't know. The problem is it's

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Speaker 1: addictive to people who are narcissistic. And there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of journalists that use it, and you know, public figures,

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Speaker 1: people in business. They all want to show off with

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Speaker 1: what you know, they're snarky commentary, right, And the journalists

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Speaker 1: like to break stories on Twitter since there's no normal

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Speaker 1: publishing cycle anymore, so they Yeah. And it's also like

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Speaker 1: changing your phone number. If you've been on Twitter with

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Speaker 1: your account for so many years, do you really want

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Speaker 1: to start something new up on a different platform. And

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Speaker 1: there's there's other social media sites, but none of them

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Speaker 1: have a big following because you could go to another

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Speaker 1: site like Facebook has threads, right, but everyone else you

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Speaker 1: know that you want to reach has to go to

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Speaker 1: threads as well. So it's I don't hear anything about

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Speaker 1: threads and its serge at the beginning, and then I

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Speaker 1: saw it really just leveled off of people signing up.

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Speaker 1: There's a half a dozen others, and some of them

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Speaker 1: don't work that well. They're kind of clunky or they're

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Speaker 1: not popular at all. So it's like everybody is stuck

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Speaker 1: with each other. This crowd, this this progressive. The Twitter

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Speaker 1: was largely a progressive playground. They're the ones who tweeted

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Speaker 1: the most and had the most influence. And now Musk

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Speaker 1: is letting all the riff raff in he is. He's

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Speaker 1: decided in the name of free speech, so we're not

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Speaker 1: going to edit as much content as the Wokesters did.

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Speaker 1: That's what he decided, and that's leading to the boycott

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Speaker 1: because they're thinking stuff that's getting in there as racist today.

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Speaker 1: All the cancel culture stuff came through on Twitter. That's

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Speaker 1: where it was born. That's where it was effective. It

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Speaker 1: was Twitter Twitter because you could quickly get thousands of

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Speaker 1: people to all the agree on the same target to attack.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we've got Conway here, Hey, no we.

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Speaker 6: Do yes, yes, yes, yes, I've had a taste of

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Speaker 6: that the Twitter boycotts.

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Speaker 1: Are you a big ex user?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: I'm what the show is? The show is? Yeah, how

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Speaker 1: much money do you personally write that's a secret brings

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Speaker 1: in every night. Yeah, I write zero, Okay, you write

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Speaker 1: zero zero?

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Speaker 6: Well, no, I have my own personal account and I'm

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Speaker 6: hot on that. I'm ten thousand responses every month. You know,

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Speaker 6: if I'm eating dinner, I take a picture and show

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Speaker 6: it to people. I'll look at That's right. If I'm

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Speaker 6: in a car, I'm driving, people are going to see that.

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Speaker 1: That's street. Steve Gregory's deal. He likes to post his

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Speaker 6: Yeah, people do that. Yeah, I don't get it. Look,

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Speaker 6: I don't care what I'm eating. Why would I care

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Speaker 6: what you're eating?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Got him? Thanks for giving me a picture of

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Speaker 1: your dinner, right, what do you want me to do

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Speaker 1: it that? Hope you enjoy that.

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Speaker 6: And then and then you you clog your mind with that.

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Speaker 6: You know, you only have a certain amount of free

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Speaker 6: space in your mind.

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Speaker 1: Now and your time. You're just wasting. That's right, look

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Speaker 1: at people's dinner.

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Speaker 6: Dean Sharp is coming on with us, also, Colleenastrino's, and

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Speaker 6: I think David Goldstein is coming on with us at

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Speaker 6: some point. David Goldstein is retiring in two weeks. He's

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Speaker 6: moving in with Ken that we're going off together, right,

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Speaker 6: Although you know, I didn't ask him whether I could

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Speaker 6: talk about him retiring.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, but it announce. I got a text message too, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: good good, he's gonna go. This is news to me.

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Speaker 1: I thought that maybe it's not public yet, so I

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Speaker 1: didn't say, okay, it is. Just want to hit the

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Speaker 1: dumb botts a difference. It's pretty good again, Tim, this

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Speaker 1: is our show you're doing. I apologize. I do apologize.

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Speaker 6: All right, it's your show for another five days and

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Speaker 6: then it's John's and then after that it'll be right.

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Speaker 1: We'll go dark. All right, we should go. But you

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Speaker 1: know what, Ken, I think you should.

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Speaker 6: Become even bigger on social media because people want to

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Speaker 6: know what you're doing every day after next week.

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Speaker 1: They do not, Yes, they do. Come on, man, come on, buddy,

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Speaker 1: big dog. I already told him we're gonna constantly call him.

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Speaker 1: Just ask him what he's doing. I'll call you and

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Speaker 1: they'll throw it out all on Twitter. You and David Goldstein. No, Gil,

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Speaker 1: I'll just send pictures of food. Yeah, I made that up.

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Speaker 1: Goldstein's not retiring. Oh he's trying to backpedal. Totally made

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Speaker 1: it up. Except John already confirmed it, so John didn't

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Speaker 1: get a text either. Guy's gonna be around forever. You've

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Speaker 1: imagined the last five minutes. None of this Dog, Big Dog,

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Speaker 1: Let's go tig Dog was late. Yeah, our newsroom. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you've been listening to The John and Ken Show. You

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Speaker 1: can always hear us live on kf I Am six

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