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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Wednesday, February twenty fifth, and

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Speaker 1: Bill Gates has changed his tune. He's going from saying

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Speaker 1: these claims are absolutely absurd and completely false to now

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Speaker 1: saying I'm sorry and yes I had affairs with two

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Speaker 1: Russian women. And with that, welcome to this episode of

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ rogues. People want accountability, they want big

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Speaker 1: names to fall. Well, he hasn't completely fallen, but Bill

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Speaker 1: Gates is now saying I am sorry and admitting to

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Speaker 1: some things he has been accused of, at least tied

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a big deal, and this is exactly

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Speaker 2: what folks have been clamoring for, from the victims to

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Speaker 2: just the general American public, wanting to see the rich

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Speaker 2: and powerful who were associated with Jeffrey Epstein take some

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Speaker 2: accountability for their actions and not just deny this latest

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Speaker 2: Epstein dump that the DOJ was this around Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 2: It has we have said this, it's a house of cards.

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Speaker 2: It's been Domino's. I mean, we have just seen people

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Speaker 2: falling left and right because emails and documents have exposed

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Speaker 2: folks who were able to deny before without any absolute

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Speaker 2: proof that they did or said some of the things

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Speaker 2: that were suggested. Well, now you kind of can't deny

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Speaker 2: some of the stuff we were seeing straight from Jeffrey

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Speaker 2: Epstein's estate.

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Speaker 1: And we should make sure we start with Bill Gates

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Speaker 1: has not been accused of any criminal wrongdoing, and he

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Speaker 1: didn't make that clear in this latest update, which came

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Speaker 1: to us Robes from an exclusive report from the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal, which has gotten a hold of as the

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Speaker 1: transcript of the audio I think they've had said of

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Speaker 1: a town hall that Bill Gates had with staff on

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Speaker 1: he did apologize for his relationship and admit it to

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Speaker 1: at least two affairs ropes A. Let's keep in mind

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Speaker 1: who this guy is. He has for decades now been

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Speaker 1: one of the most influential businessmen in the world, most.

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Speaker 2: Influential businessmen, and then took and used some.

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Speaker 3: Of that power it seemed for good.

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Speaker 2: He is one of the largest philanthropists in the world,

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Speaker 2: has saved countless lives through some of the research that

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Speaker 2: the Gates, the Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation has created.

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Speaker 2: So he has done a lot of good in the world.

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Speaker 2: And that's all important because his reputation is important.

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Speaker 3: He needs to.

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Speaker 2: Even though he might be a billionaire and one of

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Speaker 2: the richest men in the world, he still requires donations

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Speaker 2: and support financially, and he needs people who have deep

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Speaker 2: do the good work he wants to do. This Epstein

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Speaker 2: to all of this a few weeks ago absolutely is

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Speaker 1: A Robes he acknowledged, at least in this town hall,

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Speaker 1: is exactly what you're talking about. The idea that yeah,

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Speaker 1: when people give money, they have a choice. They're choosing

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Speaker 1: it to Where do you feel good today about handing

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Speaker 1: money over to the Gates Foundation? And that has to

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Speaker 1: be remembered, Robes in this whole story, this foundation has

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Speaker 2: Yes, he has been looking for that cure to malaria.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he has done incredible work around the globe

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Speaker 2: and wants to continue to do so. But when you

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Speaker 2: lose We've seen this when you are attached to Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 2: You can deny, deny, deny, and perhaps that might save

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Speaker 2: you some time or buy you some time. But with

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Speaker 2: just now smoking guns that weren't there before, and now

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Speaker 2: folks are forced to actually admit what their ties, Jeffrey

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Speaker 3: And you did point this out.

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Speaker 2: And this is a quote from Bill Gates, and we

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Speaker 2: He said, I did nothing illicit. I saw nothing illicit.

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Speaker 2: To be clear, I never spent any time with victims

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Speaker 2: the women around him. Now in this latest document um,

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Speaker 1: We'redacted. We don't know who they are, we don't know

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Speaker 1: But that's key. He's flat out saying, I ain't do nothing.

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Speaker 1: I ain't seen nothing. That's another way to put that.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's saying, I did nothing and I saw nothing. Fine,

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Speaker 1: and he made points about as we get into some

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Speaker 1: his staff. The other thing he did admit I went here, here, here, here,

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Speaker 2: Yes, he did make that point to say nowhere overnight.

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Speaker 2: And I think he did say that those pictures specifically,

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Speaker 2: who posed with him, who thought it was cool to

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Speaker 2: the victims who have been named in But you know,

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Speaker 3: We have to take his word for that at least.

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Speaker 1: But Rose, this does come I mean, timing is relevant here. Look,

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Speaker 1: his name has been attached to Epstein for years and

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Speaker 1: he has admitted something. I guess I'm saying and saying

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry necessarily for this, he had to have been

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Speaker 1: pushed by this latest Epstein batch of documents, which also

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, to remind everyone, we can make it pretty quick.

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Speaker 2: A couple of em that were in Jeffrey Epstein's draft box.

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Speaker 2: We don't know if he ever sent them, but they

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Speaker 2: were labeled to Bill and certainly to the foundation. One

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Speaker 2: other one was he was just pretty pissed off at

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Speaker 2: Bill Gates and was basically like, after all I've done

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Speaker 2: And then he started listing what he says he did

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Speaker 3: Melinda Gates. He was going to, according to Epstein's slip.

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Speaker 2: It, somehow inher of drink or food so that he

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Speaker 2: have the actual line here from the second email. To

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Speaker 2: please delete the emails regarding your STD, your request that

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Speaker 2: I provide you antibiotics that you can surreptitiously give to Melinda,

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Speaker 1: That's a damning line. Again, this was written by Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Epstein to himself. Jeffrey Epstein in a draft you can't

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Speaker 1: and he was making up lies to be sent. But

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Speaker 1: this was going to become up. It's hard to think

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Speaker 2: That's why it was so believable and credible, because this

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Speaker 2: wasn't something Jeffrey Epstein every ever intended for other people

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Speaker 3: So it did make it seem very believable, and to

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Speaker 3: the point where Melinda actually did speak out.

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Speaker 2: And so yes, now we are finally hearing Bill Gates

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Speaker 1: And as we hear this admission, the other part of

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Speaker 1: that batch of emails that's relevant to us. Now getting

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Speaker 1: to what he said this week to his staff, again

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Speaker 1: from Jeffrey Epstein in his draft saying, quote from helping

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Speaker 1: Bill get drugs in order to deal with consequences of

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Speaker 1: sex with Russian girls to facilitating his illicit trysts with

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Speaker 1: married women. Now the Russian girls part is relevant. Now,

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Speaker 2: Yes, he admitted to having two affairs, and he did

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Speaker 2: mention that both of the women were Russian. But he

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Speaker 2: also wanted us to know they were smart. He gave

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Speaker 3: That still different.

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Speaker 2: Young can mean a lot of things when you're talking

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Speaker 1: Do I have it right? Robes? This was a town hall.

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Speaker 1: They were able to submit questions. Yes, he was answering questions. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I would think that he would have to have known

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Speaker 2: have affairs, one with a Russian bridge player who met

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Speaker 3: So again he wanted us to know they were Russian

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Speaker 2: And I do think that had to have been to

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Speaker 1: But it just so happened. Bill Epstein mentions Russian girls,

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Speaker 1: and sure enough apparently And what is he has a type?

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Speaker 2: Who?

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Speaker 1: But yes? But why would he This is the other thing,

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Speaker 1: why would he people going to be able to track

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Speaker 1: these women down pretty quickly? Are they if they're not

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Speaker 1: already out there? You said there was a twenty year

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Speaker 3: The time, and they're one of the women.

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Speaker 2: We won't say her name, but her name is out

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Speaker 2: there because she also at one point did work for

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Speaker 2: Bill Gates and work with the physicists. And so they

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Speaker 2: haven't said the timing as to when the affair happened,

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Speaker 2: if it was while she worked with Bill Gates, if

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Speaker 2: she came after she had the event.

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Speaker 1: Was she the young the twenty something, well.

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Speaker 3: I believe I'm trying.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the one who said, okay, so the

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Speaker 2: Russian bridge player was in her twenties when he worked

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Speaker 2: with her. No, so the nuclear physicist, the one who

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Speaker 2: he worked with at some point.

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Speaker 3: I don't know her age.

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Speaker 2: But the bridge player was in her twenties, and apparently

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Speaker 2: Epstein met her a few years later and paid for

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Speaker 2: her to go to coding school. And then later Epstein

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Speaker 3: For her coding schools.

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Speaker 2: So you just can see how immeshed they were in

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Speaker 2: these salacious affair.

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Speaker 1: What did you make of as well? He chose to

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Speaker 3: Look, why wouldn't she be.

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Speaker 2: He admits in this town Hall that he didn't even

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Speaker 1: That's significant, which was three years after he had been

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Speaker 3: It was known.

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Speaker 1: It was known now. I have a hard time understanding

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, someone who makes it to the level of

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Speaker 2: And interestingly enough, it's people like Bill Gates himself who

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Speaker 3: So every powerful person who.

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Speaker 1: And they divorced what twenty twenty one, after twenty seven

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Speaker 2: Yes, we had been hearing about affairs, and absolutely had

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Speaker 3: It wasn't anything direct, all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, with this huge bombshell news today, we also are

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Speaker 1: bombshell Wall Street Journal report. Bill Gates at a town

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Speaker 1: all right, But that wasn't the only name been that road.

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Speaker 1: He was trying to lay low, but he's not going

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Speaker 3: No, Larry Summers.

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Speaker 2: We have heard his name multiple times for years now

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Speaker 3: There are we have talked about this.

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Speaker 1: Well last year, right, his name was attached to an

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Speaker 1: And now that's gone. And I'm still just fascinated. Robes

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Speaker 1: It is amazing what he was able to do and

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Speaker 2: It's been well this summer it'll be seven years, so

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Speaker 2: six and a half years right now. And so this

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Speaker 2: I will always be grateful to the thousands of students

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Speaker 3: Woo, So, he says.

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Speaker 2: Free from formal responsibility, he said he looks forward to

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it's all going to be behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: As you point out, he had already made that public

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Speaker 3: It's just that it keeps, it keeps. The names just

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Speaker 1: Peter Randelshon, UK Ambassador Peter Attia over at CBS News

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Speaker 1: just recently. Who was the lord? You said it was

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Speaker 1: mort Which company was gold Sacks?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, who is next? Well, folks will always appreciate

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Speaker 1: you spending some time with us. Just wanted to hop

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Speaker 1: too terribly long ago, but we appreciate you spending time

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Speaker 1: with us. On t J holmes on behalf of my

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Speaker 1: dear Amy Robots.

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Speaker 2: Talk to you