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Speaker 1: is our chemistry. Guys. The fun today one the line

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Speaker 2: This is three for the time hard.

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Speaker 3: Steve Dallas on the port and what a magical season.

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Speaker 1: It's been sixty two wins, best in.

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Speaker 3: The NBA and for the first time in twelve years,

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Speaker 1: One of the great turnarounds.

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Speaker 2: In NBA history. Looking for Stonamle again. Thirty five for Sam.

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Speaker 4: A pre game.

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Speaker 3: The year was two thousand and five and the Phoenix

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Speaker 3: Steve was a thirty year old point guard this time

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Speaker 3: who had just finished his sixth year in Dallas. However,

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Speaker 3: with a league best sixty two wins. This is Forgotten Seasons,

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Speaker 3: a show that rediscovers and relives one iconic season with

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Speaker 3: former NBA greats. I'm Dylan Dreyfus, the creator of Forgotten Seasons,

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Speaker 3: and on today's episode, we were joined by Quentin Richardson.

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Speaker 3: Q Rich was new to Phoenix this year after spending

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Speaker 3: He fit in perfectly with the Suns in Nash and

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Speaker 3: Forgotten Seasons with Q Rich and the two thousand and

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Speaker 1: Right, welcome everybody.

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Speaker 3: We got very special guests on today thirteen year pro

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Speaker 1: Quentin Richardson, q Rich, how you doing today.

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Speaker 2: I'm good man good thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for coming on and being such a

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Speaker 1: We got Steve Nash's first year, q Rich's first year.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite guys, I think statistically and just

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Speaker 2: Man, that's his name speak for itself. Tricks Man.

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Speaker 4: Tricks was like the things that I always say about

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Speaker 3: A heartbeat, that's a player from this era, the mid

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Speaker 3: he has that funny shot, but he could hit it

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Speaker 2: Like that's a little that's chicks. I always say saying, go.

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Speaker 3: Not for real though, like mid thirties, like that's you know,

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Speaker 4: One word for Stevie. Just just just unselfish, super unselfish,

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Speaker 4: Stevie was that he shot the ball that great, like

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Speaker 2: Stevie shoot, Stevie could shoot the hell out of the bull.

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Speaker 4: His numbers were always high and he fishing, you know

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Speaker 2: He just was selfless.

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Speaker 4: He wanted to pass the ball, and he enjoyed getting

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Speaker 3: I mean he showed glimpses of it throughout his career

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Speaker 3: which is crazy and even crazier when it's a new

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Speaker 4: Now, it got to a point, like I don't remember

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Speaker 4: really started to hit us when, like, you know, how

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Speaker 4: you know, we're being onemost after game or something, we'd

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Speaker 4: Like we kind of looking like, man, look like I'm

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Speaker 4: look Jordan thirteen. Just point to number thirteen. Say we

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Speaker 2: Like that was all we was doing it. We didn't

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Speaker 4: And he got to a point to where, like you say,

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Speaker 4: We cause it was like, you know, a couple of games,

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Speaker 2: Had any issues with some damn Spurs.

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Speaker 1: But we'll get into that later.

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Speaker 3: I read Mike D'Antoni talking about how like during that streak,

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Speaker 3: So then you're going a little bit like the stats

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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 3: I got a little staff for you in a question.

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering if you can answer this. So you shot

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Speaker 3: you name the other two players that did that more

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Speaker 2: You Antoine Walker one of them. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: It's surprising.

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Speaker 3: It's Baron Davis did it in two thousand and three

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Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety five. I would have never guessed that it's

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Speaker 1: it's not obvious.

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Speaker 3: So what is it like for you because I don't

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Speaker 3: know too, Like, did you consider yourself like a shooter

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Speaker 2: See, that's the funniest thing, man Like.

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Speaker 4: People don't understand the first thing I was ever, ever, ever, ever,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Throughout high school, throughout college,

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Speaker 4: I could shoot. I just in high school, I was

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Speaker 2: I was I live, you know, I was topping college

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Speaker 4: But I was a sixty five power for like I

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Speaker 4: I thought you was like six seven and six eight.

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Speaker 4: I'm like six six. You know, I was measured at

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Speaker 2: But for me, that was something that I was always

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Speaker 4: That took me out of what I was doing in

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Speaker 4: LA Because in LA, when you came to Phoenix, that

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Speaker 4: to score more, be more. It is, But like what

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Speaker 2: We had to sacrifice that for us to be a

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Speaker 3: M Well, I feel like Steve kind of set the

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Speaker 2: I mean, you do this.

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Speaker 3: I sort of stole it from you, guys. You asked

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Speaker 3: But sort of spind it back onto you. Not the

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Speaker 4: Easy Kobe Kobe first, you know, but you got to

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Speaker 1: He was a problem.

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Speaker 4: We switched, uh, I mean because we you know, we

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Speaker 3: Then right, you have the hot start thirty and four,

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Speaker 3: And then All Star weekend comes, and I thought that

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Speaker 2: Remember it exactly.

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Speaker 4: Because the crazy part about it was that, like you said,

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Speaker 4: I was, I was like clipping it, yeah, letting them go.

440
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 4: I was letting the so uh, when it came time

441
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,399
Speaker 4: for like the All Star weekend stuff, it was like,

442
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 4: you know, uh, the Mary was doing a dunk contest,

443
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,639
Speaker 4: Tricks was in the skills thing with the with the

444
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 4: with the other guys with Dan Marley and I think

445
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 4: it was Tarassi, and then you had you had. They

446
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 4: wanted Joe Johnson got initially invited to the three point contest.

447
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 4: He had a three point high three point field goal percentage,

448
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 4: but I didn't get an invite, and they wanted Steve

449
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 4: Nash to do the skills competition, so you know, STEVEE

450
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 4: was like, how was cute? Not in the three point competition?

451
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,879
Speaker 4: Now I can I can either confirm nor deny, But

452
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:45,360
Speaker 4: I remember Stevie leveraging the skills competition. If y'all want

453
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 4: me in that, y'all need to have Q in the

454
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 4: three point competition like he belongs. So that's why, like

455
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 4: when I go there and I win it, I remember

456
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 4: coming to tell Steve like, hey, I had to have

457
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 4: your back for you holding me down like that.

458
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: That's dope. That's dope right up.

459
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 3: So then the season finishes, you guys win sixty two games.

460
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 3: First round, you got Memphis. That's actually a team that

461
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 3: gave you a little bit of trouble. They had Pa Gasol,

462
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 3: Mike Miller, Jason Williams. You ended up sweeping them, but

463
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 3: do you remember, you know, what was it like going

464
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 3: up against that those guys, because that's the team that

465
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 3: I've highlighted before and they were pretty good.

466
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 4: No, it was it was definitely uh you know that

467
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 4: that was my first time, you know, in the playoffs,

468
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 4: my first time, so for me, it was it was

469
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 4: it was dope, man, it was. The atmosphere was great.

470
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 4: It was my first time being in the series and

471
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 4: you know, in that whole type of environment. So for me,

472
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 4: I was taking it all in. Like you say, they

473
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 4: were a good team. Uh, we just were, you know,

474
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,360
Speaker 4: even though we swept and it was still more competitive

475
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 4: it than it may seem may have seen.

476
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 1: Mm.

477
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

478
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,719
Speaker 3: And then we go to Dallas and this is one

479
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 3: of my favorite ones because just for some context, so

480
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 3: Steve was obviously on the Mavericks beforehand. He enters free agency.

481
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 3: They say, now you're thirty. You know, we're not going

482
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 3: to give you this long term deal. And you know,

483
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 3: I've heard him talk about how he wasn't like out

484
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 3: to get him and like all that stuff, But there

485
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 3: was like a little bit of pride. Were you guys

486
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 3: sort of playing for Steve too, because everyone knows that situation.

487
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 4: Then it was no different like when I like, that's

488
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 4: I mean, anybody knows anything about the league in sports,

489
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 4: like man, that's just how it goes. When we went

490
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 4: to play them in the you know, the first game

491
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 4: during the regular season there, it was like it was pandemonium.

492
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 4: It was news cameras everywhere, like it was a playoff

493
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 4: game because this was his first time coming back in

494
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 4: we were having the success that we were having, which

495
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 4: they were, you know, it was a big deal during

496
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 4: the season because they got Jason Terry and you know,

497
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 4: some of the MAVs fan although it took some time

498
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 4: for him to get embraced, they were kind of you

499
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 4: know mad and Stevie was still doing as well as

500
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 4: he was and they had let him go, so it

501
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 4: was a little bit of that. So when he when

502
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 4: we came there during the regular season to play, it

503
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 4: was crazy then. So definitely, you know, when we got

504
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 4: to the playoffs, it was like and that's when I

505
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 4: was every time we would go somewhere, I used to

506
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 4: call him, all right, now it come to president comes

507
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 4: to I used called Steve the President because I'm telling you,

508
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 4: it was like the fandom that was that was for real,

509
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 4: like the first time where I felt like, you know,

510
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 4: and it's no disrespecting none of my Clippers teammate, but

511
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 4: this was he was MVP of shit.

512
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 2: This was like a rock star.

513
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 4: When we went places, it was like Steve Nash is

514
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 4: the man, and I was like, dude, like this is crazy.

515
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 4: We got up Dallas, what it was a little do

516
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 4: from Canada, ridiculous, and he was like, you know, if

517
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 4: you would never know, he would never say anything, like

518
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 4: he would be looking around like it just fazy, like yo,

519
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 4: the coolest, like the coolest dude ever, for real, like

520
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 4: and that's what made it like even more great, cause

521
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 4: we would all be cracking up, like Mark Bosaw us

522
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 4: to be, you know, trying to make fun of it,

523
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 4: and Steve would.

524
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: Just be like, yeah.

525
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: So then you beat Dallas in six and then you

526
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 3: go to San Antonio. But something happens in the Day series.

527
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: You lose Joe Johnson. He breaks his face and I

528
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: believe he goes he come. He literally breaks his face.

529
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: That sounds like the most painful thing ever, but then

530
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: he comes back, I believe game three for the Spur series.

531
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: You guys already down two. Oh when Joe Johnson goes down,

532
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: what do you guys lose?

533
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: Man?

534
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 4: He was, I mean he was basically literally our back

535
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 4: up point guard. Like when Steve would come out, he

536
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 4: would run the game. He would run the floor, the

537
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 4: team and all that. I mean, that was what got

538
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 4: him paid, you know what I'm saying, Like when they

539
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 4: saw that he could play, you know, run the run

540
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 4: the team and get us in the sets and run

541
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 4: literally run the point guard at six seven and at

542
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 4: versatile as he was, and like, so that's what we lost.

543
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 4: And then he the same way. He was every bit

544
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 4: of a two way player. He was every bit of

545
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 4: a two way player when we were together in fans

546
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 4: because he would guard. He would guard basically the second

547
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 4: or third best defender. It depends on what they were,

548
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 4: you know, between they would put chicks on the first guy,

549
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 4: then between me and him, depending on whether they were

550
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,479
Speaker 4: strong or fast and what have you, they would put

551
00:24:59,560 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 4: us on.

552
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: He was like our second third best defender. And that

553
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: was just you know, he was. He was clutched.

554
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 4: I mean you know that that year we want we

555
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 4: went eight d maybe nine and when you like, he

556
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 4: was critical when you look at our numbers and minutes

557
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 4: per game, like our core five to six, we played

558
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 4: thirty thirty six thirty seven plus minutes a game and

559
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 4: some you know, tricks played closer to to forty I believe,

560
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 4: So you know that was a big blow.

561
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe actually led the team of minutes. He's shooting

562
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: forty eight percent from three, which is crazy crazy. So

563
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: to keep on that Spurs series, we all know that

564
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 3: the Spurs are great, They're amazing, but just talk a

565
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 3: little bit, a little bit about like what made them

566
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: so good and how they were able to sustain that

567
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: dominance basically over the course of like fifteen years.

568
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 4: Man, they had the simple thing to say is Tim Duncan.

569
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 4: That's That's the simple way to put it. But I mean, literally,

570
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 4: the best thing about their organization is the is the

571
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 4: way they built it up. They always brought in complimentary

572
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 4: players and players that fit what they were into. They

573
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 4: didn't they didn't go for the splashy moves. They didn't

574
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: go for for moves that they weren't sure about. They

575
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously everybody's made some mistakes and they hit

576
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 4: or miss on this or that, and you know, but

577
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 4: they were they would always I feel like we tried

578
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 4: would try to be as swift as possible to rectify

579
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 4: any mistakes they made.

580
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 2: And whether it's in character or what have you. But

581
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: that's the one thing you.

582
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 4: Look at, if you look at that that whole stretch,

583
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 4: they did a really good job of always even in

584
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 4: good players, you know, they I think they would sacrifice

585
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 4: some talent and you know and k and for character

586
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 4: and now I think it worked out for them in

587
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: a lot of ways where you saw, you know, on

588
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 4: those championship team. I mean, you look at a guy

589
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 4: like Bruce Bowen, who's not the most talented guy or

590
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 4: the or the you know, the guy that gets picked

591
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 4: for All Stars or whatever, but he has a jersey

592
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 4: hanging in that arena and for that organization because they

593
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 4: know what he meant and they value what he brought

594
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 4: to the tape when what he brought to the table

595
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 4: helped yield championships for them, and that means Boyd and

596
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 4: you know whatever else. You know, for them, it wasn't

597
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: about a super super super talented person coming in and

598
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 4: doing this and that. It was about somebody being able

599
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 4: to play the role next to Tim Duncan and David

600
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 4: Robinson and Tony Park and my New Genobi and all

601
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 4: those great guys.

602
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: And he was one of the all time greats being

603
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: that role player. And that's why he has a jersey

604
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: hanging in that arena, no doubt.

605
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: And even on their teams later, right, you have guys

606
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: like Danny Green and Patty Mills. That continues, continuous and

607
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: they just breathe. Those type of players.

608
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: Yep.

609
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 3: You know, you guys don't have Joe for half the series.

610
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: You lose four to one, and then after you know,

611
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: that's it, that's your time in Phoenix. You get traded

612
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 3: to the Knicks for Kurt Thomas, which all respect to

613
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: Kurt Thomas, all respect to him, but you know he's

614
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: like thirty three thirty four at that time. He doesn't

615
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: have much left in the tank.

616
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, what, what was it like?

617
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to say what was it like getting

618
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: traded because I imagine getting trade is not fun, But like,

619
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: what was what was that moment?

620
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: Like when you get that call and who does call you?

621
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: Then mine?

622
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 4: So my agent called me, Jeff Wexl called me to

623
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 4: let me know what was going on. But I'll tell

624
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 4: you I'm befre. I was pissed, I was salty. I

625
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 4: was ready to you know, get to the off season

626
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: and obviously, you know, rest up for a few weeks

627
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 4: and then get in the lab and get to the

628
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 4: gym and get back and make it. Because we all

629
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 4: felt like, you know, we obviously felt like if we

630
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 4: had another back, another run at it, that we could

631
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 4: we could go get it. You felt like he was

632
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 4: gonna be rare enough to go make another run at

633
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 4: it and dominate the league again like we had just done.

634
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 4: So when the trade happened, obviously I was I was pissed.

635
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie, I'm like what And for me,

636
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 4: it felt like did we we folded? And then, you know,

637
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: when I talked to I can remember years later when

638
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 4: I was working for the Pistons and coach D'Antoni had

639
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 4: just got back in the league with Philly. He was

640
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 4: like a special assistant head coach or whatever in Philly,

641
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: and we they they came to play us in Detroit.

642
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 4: We were sitting on the sidelines talking pregame, and he

643
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 4: was just like he confirmed my feelings. I felt like

644
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 4: that we folded to the narrative that we couldn't do

645
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: it the way we were doing it. You know what

646
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: I'm saying, because that was the narrative about us the

647
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: whole season long, on all of the shows and different topics.

648
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: Can they win like this, it will it work? And

649
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: it was like it's working now in the regular season,

650
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: but it won't work in the playoffs and all of

651
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: this stuff. So I felt like we folded and we

652
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: gave into that narrative. And then when I talked to

653
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 4: him way back and coach, he was like, yeah, man,

654
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 4: He was like, I should I should have stuck. I

655
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: should have fought harder for it. I should have I

656
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: should have stuck to my guns and not let it

657
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 4: into it, because he was like, we we should have.

658
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 4: We should have had multiple runs at it with that court,

659
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 4: because you know, obviously after they traded me, they didn't

660
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 4: sign Joe back, and Joe went to Atlanta, and.

661
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: Then that was that was it for that for that

662
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: iteration of art of that team.

663
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 4: That was the only time we only had that one

664
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: year with that group, and I felt like if we'd

665
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 4: have had two, three years, four years, like you see

666
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 4: teams go away with a core like that, you know,

667
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 4: I felt we'd have had that. I mean we've all

668
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: talked about, Like you said, I've had everybody on the

669
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: show so far except Joe, and we've all talked about that.

670
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 4: Jim jack was part of that team. Jim Jackson, we

671
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 4: worked together at Turnerment and we see each other a lot,

672
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 4: and we've talked about it. Like Steve Hunters, my boy

673
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 4: from Chicago, DePaul, I talked to him.

674
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: He felt that way. But I've talked to Barbosa. We

675
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: all felt that we would have had a run back

676
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: at it with that core group.

677
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 4: I mean, we feel like we at least got one,

678
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: at least got to finals and had a shot at one.

679
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: I mean, nobody went it in their first year, right,

680
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: almost nobody, if you even think about like Lebron, Wade

681
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: and Bosh, it took them two years to win it.

682
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: We talked to the Celtics.

683
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: The Celtics did, That's true their first year rarely, but

684
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: I mean that's also like the formation of a super team, right.

685
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: We talked to Xavier McDaniel and he sort of echoed

686
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: similar thoughts because he only had one year with the

687
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: Knicks in ninety two, and it's like, damn like that's

688
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: the frustrating thing, like we didn't even we had our chance,

689
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: but like not really, like you do need two three years.

690
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: And I think to your point of like people saying

691
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: that it wasn't gonna work, you see sort of the

692
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: waves in the league, like there was the whole small

693
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: ball frenzy three four years ago with the Warriors, and

694
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, you just need wings, wings, and

695
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: then now you look at the finals like DeAndre Ayton,

696
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: like maybe you need a seven footer. My belief is

697
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: like good basketball teams will win. It's not you need

698
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: two wings, a big man and whatever. It's like, you know, good,

699
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: good teams win, and this was a good team. So

700
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: it is a shame that that sort of ended so abruptly.

701
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: And I know that that you guys were super close

702
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: off the court too, and that might have made a

703
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: bittersweet too. Can you speak a little bit about that.

704
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I feel like how close we

705
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: were off the court had as much to do with

706
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 4: everything that we were doing on the court.

707
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: Man.

708
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: Every every other day, weekend or whatever week, we would

709
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: somebody would be having some you know, we would be

710
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 4: having cards and dominoes at Joe house or or barbecue

711
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 4: at my house, barbecue at Ja Sean house or whatever.

712
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: We would be going out on the road together, going

713
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 4: to dinners and hanging out playing video games just whatever.

714
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: We were all always hanging out.

715
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: And I think that was like that was one of

716
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 4: the dopest things, Like you know what I'm saying from

717
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 4: from Jackson Rowman rest in peace, uh, Jake Voshka, Like

718
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: we would have all of the guys, you would it

719
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: would you know, you would get go to dinners and

720
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 4: you would get different different groups of all of the

721
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 4: guys all the time, Casey Jacobson, all of the court

722
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 4: guys obviously Jim Jack and even Hunter and it would.

723
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: Just be I love that.

724
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 4: Even my man, I don't want to mess up his name,

725
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: the Japanese player, Uh what was his name?

726
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: Your tuba you the taboo you the taboushe?

727
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you something like that. My man.

728
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 4: I used to mess with him, mister clip out where

729
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 4: I used to call it because he was big time,

730
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 4: like he was like he was the.

731
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: First one to come over here from there.

732
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: Like to make thea So he's big time.

733
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 4: Oh man, he's a legend, like I'm telling you, and

734
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 4: like so like when we would we would go places,

735
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: it would always be like a faction to be like.

736
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: And I used to mess with them all the time.

737
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 4: You the man like it's Jackie and you like it's

738
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 4: a clip out of me messing with him about it

739
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 4: on the court one day and practice talking about how

740
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: I was like, it's eat your row and then it's

741
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: you like you like, and he was laughing and joking

742
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 4: about it. But like for real, it would be like

743
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 4: we would go places, it would be a it would

744
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 4: be an Asian collection of like it'll be a crowded

745
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 4: section just like in here that have pictures from where

746
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 4: he you know, where he played at before he got

747
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 4: the player in the league and.

748
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: It was crazy I used to be. And the coldest

749
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: thing about it, you gotta look it up.

750
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 4: This is the fact since he was like a little kid,

751
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 4: the only shoot he ever played in was the Jay Kids,

752
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 4: Like every single game, the Jason Kidds, the joint, the

753
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 4: Nike joints with the love with the love shiny glowing different.

754
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, every game, every game.

755
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 4: Any photo you look up of and who you don't

756
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: see him in them? Because I saw I saw something

757
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 4: on on social media and I was like that's crazy.

758
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: He definitely always kept those joints on day, Like I

759
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: don't even know how, but he he would have all

760
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: the colors of them.

761
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: Well hopefully he got like a sign pair from j

762
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: Kid or something.

763
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: So we have a few more questions that were actually

764
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: submitted by some of the fans, but before we get

765
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 3: into those, just any last words, like on on that season.

766
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 4: Man, I think, like I say, for me, whenever I

767
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 4: get asked about, you know, the best season in my career,

768
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: that was the best season in my career, Like, you

769
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 4: know as far as like team wise, making it the

770
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 4: first we went to the that was that was the

771
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 4: craziest you know playoffs ride I ever been on. And

772
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: I felt like that was the year that I really

773
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: felt like and I believe that my teammate we had

774
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 4: a chance to win championship and I felt like if

775
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 4: we would have had more more shotsaid that we would

776
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 4: have got one. But that that was the one time

777
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 4: in my career where I truly felt like, yo, like

778
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 4: you know, when you're going through it and you're getting

779
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 4: you getting past this run, you felt like it was

780
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 4: really getting into my head like, yo, we might we

781
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: might freaking win the chip, like we're smacking people right now.

782
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: We were confident too, like say we were blowing everybody

783
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 4: else sixty two and twenty. We were doing some things

784
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 4: that weren't supposed to happen, so we had every right

785
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 4: to feel what we were feeling.

786
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 3: M It's just it's so rare to even get that far.

787
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: Like people there's the sort of notion like if you

788
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: don't want a championship, like it's a failure. But like

789
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: people don't understand, like to get to it, you know,

790
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 3: into the conference finals you see now, like get it

791
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: on healthy in the playoffs is rare.

792
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: It's rare.

793
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: So this was definitely a special team. And it's a

794
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: shame that you know, you and Joel only were there

795
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: for or you were only there for a year. But anyway,

796
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 3: into just some fan questions, we only got a few.

797
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 3: You mentioned you to shoes, but you being mister Jordan,

798
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 3: what is your favorite pe? This was asked by my

799
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 3: man Asad Muhammad, let's debate basketball.

800
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: He said, what's your favorite Jordan.

801
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: Pe from that year or just period period.

802
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 4: I would say my favorite PE that I got to

803
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 4: play in was the thirteen And I would say that

804
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: because of the confort of the thirteen. When I hoop,

805
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 4: I love to play in the I got wide feet.

806
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 4: So the thirteens and the two's are like my favorite

807
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 4: the hooping and then like when the reason why I

808
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 4: said it was my favorite pe because I first got

809
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 4: them when I was in Phoenix and I had rare colors,

810
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 4: like you know what I'm saying. When I'm in Phoenix,

811
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 4: Jesus colors you never seen us jay, So it was

812
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 4: like I had purples, oranges and all of this then

813
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 4: and you fast forward did I got the thirteens again

814
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: when I was in Orlando, So now I'm getting again

815
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: in colors that you never seen seeing me in white

816
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 4: and blue and blue and back blue and black. Ended

817
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 4: up actually releasing them kind of close to my color waves.

818
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 4: So that was those was probably my favorite joints to

819
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 4: play in.

820
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: Why don't they do that anymore? Like I'm trying to

821
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: see like Luca and some and some sevens or something.

822
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: You know, why to be fired? I don't know. I

823
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: don't know why.

824
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: I don't know they gotta be that'll be nuts if

825
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: they if they went back to that, I don't know.

826
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm sure some type of reason behind why,

827
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I know that was what you

828
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 4: know when you look at the Internet, that's what the

829
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 4: fans go crazy about. From our generation like me, Ray

830
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 4: Allen Bibbie, Dereck Anderson, Joe Johnson. It's like Rip Hamilton,

831
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: like guys got some crazy heat on the retro side.

832
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: Craig, Chris Paul got some filth to him, and him

833
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: and Mellow got some filth on the retro side.

834
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: Why see you still stacking them up? You get that

835
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 3: package every few month or something. I'm jealous, but.

836
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: Blessed just to still you know, be still be part

837
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 4: of the family and get love. And I'm definitely thankful

838
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 4: and blessed in being Essceinario. My kids get to reap

839
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 4: the benefits. That's the best part of it for me.

840
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: It's a very elite group. So then just one more risk,

841
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: da gucci ass?

842
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: Who do you?

843
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: Who did you model your game after when you were

844
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: growing up?

845
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: It's funny, man.

846
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, when I was growing up, I wanted

847
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 4: to be like Joe and on, to play like Mike

848
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 4: and all that. Then you get to the point where

849
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: you see you don't play like Mike, You're not getting

850
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 4: to like, yeah, you don't, and when you run and

851
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 4: jump and do stuff, you just don't look like Mike.

852
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 4: So for me, it's I started looking like I said,

853
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: I played before in high school and college and so

854
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 4: kind of when I was younger in seventh and eighth

855
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: grade too, I was playing a fourth, so I always

856
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 4: looked at power forwards and big guys.

857
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: Those are the guys that I tried. I tried to

858
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: play like Charles Barkley. I wanted to play like Sharif

859
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: ab Dua Rahem. You know what I'm saying. I played

860
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 2: like Adrian Danley.

861
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 4: Those was that guys that I looked at because I

862
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: played in the post, so that was probably like a funny,

863
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 4: weird thing about me.

864
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: Well, but I looked at for me and instead of

865
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: like the guys that I was truly sized, like, hm,

866
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: well you, I appreciate you and thank you for hopping

867
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 3: on everyone. Be sure to check out the Knockleheads my

868
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: one of my favorite pods. They got Bradley Bealon recently

869
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 3: Jamal Mashburn. Anyone coming up soon that you can say

870
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: or is it a surprise?

871
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 4: It's a surprise, but next week it gonna be I

872
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 4: think the people gonna rock with it real hard. You know,

873
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 4: everybody loved this guy, so it's gonna be I mean,

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