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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntire. What is up

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Speaker 2: firefam HiT's me Jason McIntire. Straight Fire for Wednesday, November fifteenth.

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Speaker 2: The NBA on Tuesday Night was absolutely bonkers. It was

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Speaker 2: billed ladies and gentlemen as the Wemby versus Chet Night.

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Speaker 2: That's what the NBA was hyping. ESPN was pushing it.

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Speaker 2: It was the big matchup of the bean Poles, the

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Speaker 2: young guys, maybe the future of the league. Everybody was

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Speaker 2: all excited. And what happened, well, the Warriors and specifically

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Speaker 2: Draymond Green, decided to turn into a fight night. And

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Speaker 2: we'll get into that cheez and then later on Rob

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Speaker 2: and I will discuss the Buffalo bills firing of their

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. We'll dig into some other NBA topics. It's

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be a good Cup podcast. I'm gonna start here.

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Speaker 2: Draymond Green is technically part of this podcast empire that

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Speaker 2: I'm in, and so yes we are. We are teammates.

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Speaker 2: I know I've not met him, I've never spoken to him.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't. I don't think I've tagged him

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Speaker 2: in anything. I think his history speaks for itself. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's had a history of incidents on the court. A

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Speaker 2: practice video, you've seen him punch out. I call it

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Speaker 2: a soccer punch. I'll maintain it was a soccer punch

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Speaker 2: of Jordan Poole. And by the way, we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: the Jordan pool stuff a little later in the pod,

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Speaker 2: not related to Draymond, but his Wizard's disaster right now.

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Speaker 2: I just I've appreciated what Draymond brought to the table

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Speaker 2: in terms of defense, switchability, uh, defending up back when

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Speaker 2: he was able to make three pointers. He was such

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Speaker 2: an invaluable defensive piece. He really ushered in the small

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Speaker 2: ball ero with the Warriors, they were the most fun

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Speaker 2: team for my money, in NBA history, and I grew

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Speaker 2: up a huge fan of the eighties showtime Lakers. I

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Speaker 2: think we have to be a realist with where Draymond

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Speaker 2: Green is. First two minutes of the game last night

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Speaker 2: against the Timberwolves in a showcase game. Timberwolves are on

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Speaker 2: fire right now, one of the best teams in the

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Speaker 2: league in the West record wise. Anthony Edwards dominating like

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Speaker 2: this was building. Okay, this should be a good game.

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Speaker 2: The Timberwolves just beat them the other night. Steph Curry

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Speaker 2: is not playing in this game, so we knew the

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Speaker 2: Warriors would be up uphill. It was gonna be a

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Speaker 2: tough battle. And two minutes into the game, Klay Thompson

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Speaker 2: and Jaden McDaniels and again for NBA casuals. Jaden McDaniels

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Speaker 2: is a hell of a promising player for the timber Wolves.

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Speaker 2: He's the idiot. I'm sorry for calling him an idiot.

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Speaker 2: He's the guy who punched like a wall late last season,

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Speaker 2: broke his hand and could not play in the playoffs

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Speaker 2: without him, obviously they were missing. I mean, he's like

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Speaker 2: an all defensive type player, very good player, a lot

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Speaker 2: of potential. He is a valuable piece on this Timberwolves team,

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Speaker 2: and he's an emotional guy. Him and Clay get tangled

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Speaker 2: up and it looked like Clay kind of got his

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Speaker 2: hand up in the jersey under the chin, drying in

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Speaker 2: like an effort to box out, and Jayden did. McDaniels

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Speaker 2: clearly was just not having that, and they start going

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Speaker 2: at it back and forth, up and up the court,

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Speaker 2: and next thing you know, Jaden McDaniels basically has him

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Speaker 2: by the jersey and is swinging him around and It's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: here we go. Rudy Gobert steps into trying to be

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Speaker 2: the peacemaker, and because Clay's right in front of him,

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Speaker 2: he kind of grabs Clay, not in a menacing manner,

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Speaker 2: just to pull him away from McDaniels. Draymond Green, seeing this, says,

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Speaker 2: don't put your hands on my guy. He doesn't say that.

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Speaker 2: He just dives in with the no joke, two handed

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Speaker 2: choke hold. He literally jumped into a choke hold of

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Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert. Rudy Gobert puts his hands up. Dude, I'm

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Speaker 2: playing peacemaker Draymond. It doesn't matter. He's still choking him out, Folks.

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Speaker 2: Draymond Green has already been kicked in the nuts earlier

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Speaker 2: this season. He got He had the incident with Donovan

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Speaker 2: Mitchell the other night. We know he's got. He's a

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Speaker 2: history of being a hothead. Okay, obviously last season, then

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen Finals with the Technicals and kicking Lebron or

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Speaker 2: punching Lebron in the nuts. There's no way you could

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Speaker 2: defend Draymond Green and his baby. It's just impossible. Okay.

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Speaker 2: NBA doesn't need this. This was a big night. It

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Speaker 2: was like an awesome night in the NBA. Sixers lost

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Speaker 2: to Tyrese Haliburt. He was unbelievable. Okay, the Nuggets Clippers

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Speaker 2: had a hell of a game, like again the chet

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Speaker 2: marred because all anybody's talking about on social media and

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Speaker 2: is wrong with Draymond Green. Again, maybe he got a

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Speaker 2: bad angle and couldn't tell that Gobert was playing pe maker,

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Speaker 2: But bro, why are you coming in double barrels blazing

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Speaker 2: when you can't see what's going on? Why not just

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Speaker 2: you know, I joked, what are we look at it?

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Speaker 2: Two three game suspension, it might be five or seven.

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Speaker 2: It's not a good look. You don't just come in

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Speaker 2: and start choking someone out. It's just I don't know, folks. Again,

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Speaker 2: I've never met Draymond he is a teammate. I'm not

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Speaker 2: coming after him hard. I'm just being real. Like, the

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Speaker 2: video doesn't lie. You can defend him. All you want

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Speaker 2: is intensity, and he couldn't really see what do you go, like, dude,

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Speaker 2: you gotta chill the hell out. The problem is what

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Speaker 2: last year he lost his mind with some bonus in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, like he's just gotta chill the hell out. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: he got ejected, Clay got ejected, McDaniels got ejected. A

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Speaker 2: bit of a nightmare. Not that's just not a great

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Speaker 2: look for the NBA, you know, and they're they're playing

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Speaker 2: this nonsense where it's like, hey, we got to clean

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Speaker 2: it up. We need the refs to start calling technicals

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Speaker 2: for the mean muggy We want to clean up the

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Speaker 2: play like they're candying out texts like candy on Halloween.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Wembanyama wehm bin Yama against chet Holmgreen.

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Speaker 2: Wem ben Yama got one of the dumbest technicals I've

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Speaker 2: a foul call and like he clearly was trying to

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Speaker 2: like slam the ball to himself and it like got

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I get it, but come on, shouldn't common

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Speaker 2: You know, they're trying to get the stare down out,

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Speaker 2: Like I get it, like the Hitten with the too

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Speaker 2: just I'm not a fan at any rate. The Spurs

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Speaker 2: They're now three and eight after getting pummeled and I

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Speaker 2: do mean pummeled by Okay. See they lose by thirty six.

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Speaker 2: It was you know what, ten point game at halftime

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Speaker 2: third quarter, and the fourth quarter was garbage time. Neither

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Speaker 2: Chet nor Wemby played well. Wembn Yama He's hit a

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Speaker 2: bit of a you don't listen. He's a teenager. He's

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Speaker 2: fifteen from the field, oh for three from deep held

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Speaker 2: was a minus thirty one and twenty eight minutes of action.

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Speaker 2: Not a great night for Wemby. It's gonna happen. He's

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Speaker 2: a young guy. And chet Holgrin. It's not like he

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Speaker 2: was any better thirty minutes also for him three of ten,

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Speaker 2: neither of them distinguished themselves. Wem Ben Yama, if you're

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Speaker 2: keeping score at home, it's not that he's hit like

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Speaker 2: a rookie wall Again. We're like eleven games into the season,

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Speaker 2: but there are gonna be some tough moments for the

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Speaker 2: young guy. He's a teenager and a man's league. And

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Speaker 2: after that incredible start in uh November and then he

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Speaker 2: had the great thirty eight points against Phoenix, he's now

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Speaker 2: hitting thirty one percent from three this month. In the

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Speaker 2: month of November. For this season he's at twenty nine percent.

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Speaker 2: You know, a seven foot three guy again, once he

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Speaker 2: gets some meat on him, I think he'll be a

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Speaker 2: much better factor inside. But the shot selection not amazing.

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Speaker 2: Defensive player of the year, it's in play. He's averaging

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Speaker 2: two point four blocks he'll probably end up averaging a

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Speaker 2: double double the way he's starting to rebound, but it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be a tough goal. Like he in the last

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Speaker 2: three games. He is now five for nineteen from deep.

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Speaker 2: If you want to stretch it back another game against

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Speaker 2: the Knicks when he really again bright lights of New

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Speaker 2: York last four games, Wembin Yama is five for twenty

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Speaker 2: three from deep. He's not really getting to the foul

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Speaker 2: line like he was earlier this season, settling for jumpers.

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Speaker 2: That's always a bad sign. Now as a guy who

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Speaker 2: shoots a billion jumpers myself, I'm able to criticize that

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Speaker 2: because you know, when we got our big guys on

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Speaker 2: the team who get to the foul line, it's like, bro,

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Speaker 2: don't settle for the jumpers. That's a big criticism of

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Speaker 2: Anthony Davis that I have. Like Anthony Davis loves the

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Speaker 2: fadeaway jumper more than anyone, even though he can just

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Speaker 2: eat inside all night. By the way Anthony Davis and

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Speaker 2: the Lakers rolled Memphis, there was also like an incident there.

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Speaker 2: Anthony Davis got into it with somebody on Memphis. I'm

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Speaker 2: not even sure who who. The guy was a big

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Speaker 2: white guy might have been Al Dama, maybe I don't know,

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Speaker 2: court and Desmond Baine gets in his face as if

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Speaker 2: to say, don't you push my guy, don't you disrespect

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Speaker 2: silver wanted. He wanted passion, he wanted energy like that

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Speaker 2: Clippers Nuggets game was awesome. That Pacer Sixers game was awesome,

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna this would be my final hot take

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Speaker 2: before we move on to uh this Zach Lavine stuff

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Speaker 2: and Jordan Poole. Listen, Tyrese Haliburton is a hell of

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Speaker 2: a player. He was awesome on the Kings, an awesome

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Speaker 2: don't want to say he's single handedly beat the Sixers

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Speaker 2: because Obi Toppin was Hella good and their bench decimated Philly,

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Speaker 2: which we'll get to in a second. But Tyrese Haliburton

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Speaker 2: with one of the best lines of the NBA this

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Speaker 2: season thirty three points, fifteen assists, zero turnovers. In thirty

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Speaker 2: eight minutes, he had seven boards and he was seven

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Speaker 2: of twelve from deep. That's a hell of a line.

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Speaker 2: Thirty three fifteen and zero turnovers is freaking insane. And

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Speaker 2: it's not like he's doing against shrubs. He's going up

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Speaker 2: against Iyres Maxey who just had a fifty burger. He's

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Speaker 2: not a great defender, but whatever Patrick Beverley was trying

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Speaker 2: to get in his grill. Patrick Beverley, all he could

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Speaker 2: do is pick up vouls. Didn't matter. Maxy listen, Maxy

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Speaker 2: is a good player. But this Kelly Ubray injuries any

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Speaker 2: NBA fans who thought this was even a prayer of happening,

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Speaker 2: But the Kelly Ubray injury has been huge, has been

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Speaker 2: huge for the Sixers. They have no bench. He's out

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Speaker 2: an undetermined amount of time, and like they went to

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Speaker 2: the bench last night and it's like, oh, none of

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Speaker 2: these guys can really help us. Their bench had six points.

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Speaker 2: The Pacers bench outscored them thirty three to six. Now,

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Speaker 2: I know it's super early, you know. Here we are,

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Speaker 2: I look around the league. I don't think there's an

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Speaker 2: It's just like, oh, Zach Lavine, the Bulls are open

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Speaker 2: You think Miami and zach Lavine is that? Does that fit?

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Speaker 1: I would say so because I think he does everything

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Speaker 1: Can you really afford to have four guys making one

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Speaker 2: too spicy. I'm sure I'll get blowback because you know,

420
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Speaker 2: I've been a fan of this team for a couple

421
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 2: of years. I like this player, but it doesn't seem

422
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 2: to be working out. They have a new coach and

423
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: he came on last season, and we see their star

424
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: point guard struggling. And I know Zach Levine's not a

425
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 2: point guard. But what if the Atlanta Hawks said, hey, Chicago,

426
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Speaker 2: would you be interested in Trey Young and a package

427
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: for Lavigne? We could de Jeana Murray plays can play

428
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 2: a lot of point guard. They now have a big backcourt.

429
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 2: The team would have really good three point shooting. I

430
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: don't know that Levine might be who's their best player.

431
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: I guess Murray would be, But I just don't know

432
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Speaker 2: if Trey Young is the guy for Quinn Snyder, not

433
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 2: that I've heard anything. I just looking at Trey Quinn

434
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 2: Seiner's history and Trey Young's history. I don't see Trey

435
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: Young suddenly becoming a plus defender or even like an

436
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: average defender. And they have enough shooting in Murray, Like,

437
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: what are they getting in Tray Young? Like, I just

438
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: don't get it. And Chicago has a chance for a

439
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: new face of the franchise. Trey Young has a lot

440
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: of young fans. I don't He did get to a

441
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: conference finals a couple of years ago. That might be

442
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 2: a one off, but I don't know. Does that do

443
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: anything for you? Obviously, and it wouldn't be just a

444
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: Trey Young straight up, but Trey Young and somebody. I

445
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: think zach Lavine's probably held in a little higher standard,

446
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,239
Speaker 2: but not by much. You know, Trey Young again, he's

447
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 2: been to a conference finals, like zak Lavine. I don't

448
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: even know if he's been out of the first round.

449
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: Does that do any Does that wet your beak?

450
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if if if that trade would

451
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Speaker 1: be on the table and that hypothetical situation, I think

452
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Speaker 1: I probably would rather pair Trey Young and Zach Lavine,

453
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Speaker 1: even though the defense would be god god like, just

454
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: some of the worst defense in the NBA this side

455
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: of the Washington Wizards. But if that trade were to

456
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: hypothetically take place with Chicago and Atlanta, I would think

457
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: Atlanta would want Levine plus something in additionally to get

458
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Speaker 1: Trey Young, because Trey Young, for all of his faults

459
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: and you touch it on his defense, he's one of

460
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: the worst defenders in the NBA and has been for

461
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: years now. He's not an efficient shooter, even though he

462
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: has a reputation for being like Steph Curry East, which

463
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: is not even close to being accurate. However, because he's

464
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: made a couple of well, he's made that one deep

465
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: playoff run, he had that that very strong performance at

466
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: MSG where he was blowing kids into the crowd, and

467
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: so his reputation I think is better than what the

468
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: actual player is. So if you're Atlanta and you want

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Speaker 1: to get off of Trey Young, because you know that

470
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: there's a limitation to his game that you probably can't overcome,

471
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Speaker 1: maybe you can get Levine and Alice Caruso or Levine

472
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Speaker 1: and a first something like that.

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Speaker 2: I just looked this up. I was wrong. Zac Lavine

474
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: has never been all NBA Trey Young was all NBA

475
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Speaker 2: third Team. So just for the people screaming, Jason U

476
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Speaker 2: overrate zac Lavin, yes I did in that instance. Carushow,

477
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: Holy cow, what well, since you been to Cruz show,

478
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: Lakers would love to have him back. Yes, Do they

479
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: have anything other than Lebron or a d that Atlanta

480
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 2: would even want and don't say Chicago would want? Chicago? Yes, Chicago.

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Speaker 1: You know what, It's funny because as soon as you

482
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: or as soon as that news broke on Tuesday morning

483
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: about zach Lavine, Yo Vanbouaf front of the Show was

484
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: publishing an appearance he made actually here on the volume

485
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: with Jason tiff On his pocket was on there a

486
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and apparently that they discussed the

487
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: idea of a zach Lavine trade about the Bulls in general,

488
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: because apparently everyone's expecting a Bulls fire sale, and the

489
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Speaker 1: guys they floated out were kind of what everyone else

490
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: has been floating out, you know, in the last couple

491
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Speaker 1: of months for any Laker, Van D'Angelo, Russell, Roy Hotche,

492
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: Murrow who it seems like they were signed to those

493
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: contracts specifically to be paired together for a Max contract,

494
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: like it's very if the third eye is open, because weird.

495
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: If you add them together, it just happens to be

496
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Speaker 1: enough for Kyrie Irving, just enough for Donovan Mitchell, just

497
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: enough for trade like pick your favorite star guard who

498
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: might be on the move, and the Lakers just happened

499
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: to have the exact right contracts to get them. So

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Speaker 1: it was those two guys plus maybe a first round

501
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: pick or two for zach Lavine. Now, ultimately, I don't

502
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Speaker 1: think if I'm a Laker fan. As a Laker fan,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that because I don't know if Zach Lavine,

504
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: Austin Reeves, Lebron James, and I do think there's enough

505
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: basketballs to go around, you run into the same issue

506
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Speaker 1: that the Clippers are having right now in the James

507
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: Harden era. So I probably would not do something like that.

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Speaker 2: We'll wrap up real quick with this one before Jordan Poole. Uh,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing to do with Zion here, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I see J McCollum brandon Ingram zach Lavine. I just

511
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: I don't know that that's a trio you want. But

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Speaker 2: I my guess is the Zion stuff from yesterday's pod

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Speaker 2: is gonna is gonna get pick up around the league,

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Speaker 2: and I I just I think people are gonna keep

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518
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Speaker 2: I just get get Zion on a on a on

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Speaker 2: So Rob, I think, I say Edith video. My buddy

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00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: sent me this Jordan pool video, and it's really really bad.

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00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: Jordan Poole, during a timeout of a Wizard's game, comes

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00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: over to the bench. The coach is drawing like talking

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00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: on the team to drop a play, and Jordan Poole

551
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: is just talking to a guy talking to one of

552
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: his teammates like almost on purpose, ignoring the coach, and

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00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: it takes two guys. Landry Shammett is basically like taps

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00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: him and is like looking down and and like seconds

555
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: after that, another guy who's in street clothes says, yo hit,

556
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: like to hit him on the shoulder and points down,

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00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: and Jordan Poole is like put out that these guys

558
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: are saying pay attention to the coach, and Jordan Poole

559
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: essentially mouts something like this is my team, I ifing

560
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: have this, Oh all right, And then the coach draws

561
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 2: up to play and Jordan Pool's like clearly not paying attention.

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00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: So then the huddle breaks and Jordan Pul's like, wait, wait,

563
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: what's the play again? And then he keeps looking at

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00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: the board and it's like he's like laughing, kind of

565
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: mocking it. And Rob listen, man, I do like to

566
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: take credit when I when I'm right, and sometimes you know,

567
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: when you're wrong, you just gotta you just gotta own it.

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Speaker 2: And uh, I gotta take an al on Jordan Poole.

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Speaker 2: Bro Yep I was really freaking hopeful for this kid,

570
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: like the talent is there. I know he was a knucklehead.

571
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: We went over the comments that he said to Draymond

572
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: Green and it ended up getting sucker punched. And it's like, okay,

573
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: fresh start, new city. He's been around Steph Curry. He

574
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: knows what it takes to be great. He's gonna be

575
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: a leader, he's gonna be a bucket getter. He's gonna

576
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: be a fun watch. All of it's been the opposite.

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00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: He has been petulant, he has refused to fall in line.

578
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: He's not a leader. That's obvious from this little video. Rob.

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00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: I feel really bad for Jordan Poole. And the only

580
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: thing I can think is he knows that everybody's looking

581
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: at him with oh dude, he got punched out by

582
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 2: Draymond Green. Man, he got lit up and he knows that.

583
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: And he's like being aggressively a jerk instead of being

584
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: humble and contrite and hey, I went through some crap.

585
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm a new person, a potential. Finals team traded me

586
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: away to get off of my potential, even though they

587
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: viewed me as like maybe the air apparent to Curry

588
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: given me money it's been it's I don't even know

589
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: what to say, Rub, Jordan poole Man.

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00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: You saw the video, Rub, Yeah, I mean there's actually

591
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: been several viral videos of Jordan Paul. That's just the

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00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: most recent one. I mean we remember the was it

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00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: they were down twenty five points and he has a

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00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: fast break throws it off the backboard.

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00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 2: Before that, I don't remember that one.

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00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: There's the the lackadaisical dribbling out to the three point

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00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: line and then gets just shot blocked by Christophingis. You know,

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00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: there's a few of them, and you know what's funny, Well,

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00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: it's not funny. It's kind of sad at this point,

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00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: is that this was supposed to be his big coming

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00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: out party, like bad good player, bad team. He's gonna

602
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: put up. I know you said twenty nine points per game,

603
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: which was crazy, but I would have given you like

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00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: twenty five. I think twenty five would have been the

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00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: right number for him. And yet he's having basically the

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00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: worst season of his career since his rookie season. He's

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00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: averaging sixteen three and two on forty one thirty seventy

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00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: six shooting splits thirty. You cannot yes, thirty percent from three.

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00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: You cannot be that mediocre offensively when you are already

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00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: viewed as a negative defensively. Like we just talked about

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Speaker 1: Trey Young a few minutes ago. Trey Young kind of

612
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: gets a pass for his poor defense because he's a

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00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: great playmaker and his in between game. I know, the

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00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: three point a kind of hit and miss, but the

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00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: in between floater game is deadly with him. He can

616
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: score very very well. Jordan Poole, I don't know what's

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00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: gone wrong with him, Like, I don't know if the

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00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: pool party went to his head. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's you know, the baddie's in the front row that

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00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: everyone was talking about in Washington. That's been a distraction.

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Speaker 1: But he does not look like a serious NBA player,

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Speaker 1: Like you know that quote like, oh, this guy's such

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00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: an unseerious person. He's a you know, he's this is embarrassing,

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00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: Like yeah, that he personifies unseeriousness in sports, and it's

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00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: and it's what sucks that it's boiling over to my

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00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: guy kus because there was another viral video we didn't

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00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: even talk about this where Kyle Kuzma's most to the

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00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: referee or two I saw that Hey challenge his play,

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00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: challenges play, and while he's doing that, the play is

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Speaker 1: going on behind him and they give a five on

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Speaker 1: four other team scores. Like this whole situation in Washington

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Speaker 1: is a dumpster fire. I would be surprised if both

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Speaker 1: of those guys still on the roster after the trade deadline.

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Speaker 2: I had to look up who the Wizard's coaches because

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00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 2: I didn't recognize the guy. It's Wes unselld Junior. Poor guy.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. West Unselled the legend in the organization,

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Speaker 2: and now he's got to deal with Jordan Poole. Anyways,

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Speaker 2: all right, let's wrap up. It broke early Tuesday morning.

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Speaker 2: While right, I think right before we went on the

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Speaker 2: Herd that the scapegoat for mister McDermott's disastrous Monday night.

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Speaker 2: We could toss in Josh Allen. He was a turnover machine?

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Speaker 2: Was Ken Dorsey? The offensive coordinator was fired mid season

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Speaker 2: by a Super Bowl contender because somebody had to go?

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Speaker 2: And I think this takeaway for me was easy. Would

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Speaker 2: Dorsey have been fired if they didn't have twelve men

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Speaker 2: on the field and the Bills survived that missed field goal?

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Speaker 2: And I think unequivocally. The answer is no way. You're

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Speaker 2: not firing the OC if that feel, if that penalty

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Speaker 2: is not thrown. I saw a stat that the Bill's offense,

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Speaker 2: Remember the offensive coordinator is Dorsey. The Bills offense through

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Speaker 2: week ten third in DVA, first in success rate, fourth

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Speaker 2: in QBR, third in yards per play, third in red

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Speaker 2: zone efficiency. The OC is not the problem, like Buffalo

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Speaker 2: has a problem and his name is Sean McDermott. And listen,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they're going to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: This game against the Jets now this weekend becomes so massive. Gosh,

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Speaker 2: I'm nervous for my Jets. Maybe they get blown out.

658
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: But it's weird we keep saying, oh, well, maybe the

659
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: Bills are gonna blow them out. We're saying that every week.

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Speaker 2: They didn't blow at Tampa, they didn't blow at Denver, Like,

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Speaker 2: don't do they have the knockout punch that they had

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Speaker 2: like weeks go against Miami And we can't just only

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Speaker 2: pin it on the lack of defense. Something's wrong with

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Speaker 2: the offense even though it's moving the football, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're having turnovers. Turnovers are unlucky. I mean, if they

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Speaker 2: don't have four turnovers, let's say have three or two,

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Speaker 2: they're probably winning that game by double digits. Right, Like

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Speaker 2: as soon as Denver fumbled Sutton on the side on

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Speaker 2: the baseline or the sideline, sorry, Buffalo, Like seven plays later, touchdown,

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Speaker 2: it's like Buffalo can still score. I don't think the

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator was a problem. I don't know. I haven't

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Speaker 2: looked this up, rob, but I wonder what odds are

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Speaker 2: on McDermott being fired at the end of the season,

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Speaker 2: Like nobody would have had that after we sign an extension.

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Speaker 2: Remember in August or maybe it was September, right before

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Speaker 2: the season. Oh, we're giving him an extension because he

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Speaker 2: ran off the defensive coordinator. Everybody's like, what's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Tell you man, I think he's the problem. And Josh

679
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Speaker 2: Allen struggle, but you cannot do anything with your franchise QB.

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Speaker 1: Right, and you know what, in the immortal words of

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame wide receiver Chris Carner, you gotta have

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Speaker 1: a fall guy. And Sean McDermott has now moved on

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Speaker 1: to his second fall guy. First it was Leslie Frasier.

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Speaker 1: Now it's Ken Dorsey. You know what's funny is We

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Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit yesterday. Is Brian Daball

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Speaker 1: was lauded for his work with the Buffalo Bills, and

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Speaker 1: he was viewed as the it Guy's why he got

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Speaker 1: the job with the Giants of the head coach. His

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Speaker 1: last twenty five games with Buffalo compared to the first

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Speaker 1: twenty five games of the Ken dorseerra Ken dorseyer lasted

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Speaker 1: twenty six games because he got fired after Monday Night.

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Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey's offense across the board has been better than

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Speaker 1: Brian day balls wow last twenty five right like it's EPA.

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Speaker 1: He's better success rate, better, red zone EPA, better right

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Speaker 1: of red zone success percentage, better like pick your favorite stat.

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Speaker 1: And Ken Dorsey has either matched him or has been better.

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Speaker 1: The only difference is is that the defense was better

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Speaker 1: under Brian Dable, the starting position was better under Ban

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Speaker 1: and that is well, you know what I mean. But like,

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Speaker 1: that's why they have this different and both of them

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Speaker 1: were eighteen and seven and win loss record if you

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Speaker 1: wanted to boil it under that. So Sean McDermott ran

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Speaker 1: off the best part of their team with the difference

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Speaker 1: making part of their team. Leslie Fraser to assume the

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Speaker 1: role himself. I know they got injuries this season, but

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Speaker 1: pinning this on Ken Dorsey is shortsighted. It's the epitome

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Speaker 1: of someone has to go. It's not gonna be me,

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Speaker 1: it might as well be you.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you. This is sad. I'm trying to look

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Speaker 2: up their free agent situation. I know players getting up

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00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: there in age, like Leonard Floyd was a rental. It

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Speaker 2: just things don't seem to be trending well for Buffalo,

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Speaker 2: and it's it's just listen, man, this is what's crazy

714
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Speaker 2: about sports. This stuff happens fast. It feels like yesterday

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Speaker 2: Buffalo was ticketed for Oh, this team's gonna be hanging

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00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 2: around for a decade with Josh Allen, and now it's

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00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: like coach is probably going anyways, that's a lengthy Wednesday podcast. Man,

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Speaker 2: We're just flying by these days. We'll be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Talk to you then,