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Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of the Full Circle Podcast

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Speaker 1: and boil boy that We've got a show for you today.

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Speaker 2: Lexi Brown.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, girls, I'm good?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm excellent.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's had a canon in the back. Oh he was

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Speaker 2: loud in the last episode. Everyone was talking about how

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Speaker 2: he was. He was God, he look at him.

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Speaker 3: He was rustling wrestling back.

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Speaker 2: Y'all won't be able to see when this episode jobs

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Speaker 2: on the video jobs, she'll see him just nice and

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Speaker 2: demure today. Yeah for no.

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Speaker 4: Okay, guys, So we have a lot to get into.

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Speaker 4: I know, you know, we just go get into it.

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Speaker 4: Kathy versus Fee player commissioner. Never in the history of

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Speaker 4: sports have I ever seen a player go at the

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Speaker 4: commissioner of their league the way the FISA Collier did

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Speaker 4: in her exit interview.

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Speaker 2: And honestly shout.

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Speaker 4: Out to Fee because for her to do that was

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Speaker 4: very brave of her one she didn't have to do that.

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Speaker 4: I feel like as far as what she said, I

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Speaker 4: support her in her experiences and what she has, you know,

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Speaker 4: felt towards the commissioner in the league since she's.

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Speaker 2: Been in the league.

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Speaker 4: She was actually my rookie when I was in my

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Speaker 4: second season, so I wasn't a VET yet, but she

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Speaker 4: was a rookie. So I've seen Fee grow up, you know,

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Speaker 4: into this strong, powerful player, woman, mother, businesswoman.

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Speaker 2: Co founder. So it's been like really cool to see

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Speaker 2: Fee grow up.

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Speaker 4: For me, I feel like everything that she said was valid,

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Speaker 4: and I think other players have chimed in said what

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Speaker 2: I don't really have much to add.

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Speaker 4: And for me, last time, I was very vocal about

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Speaker 4: my working conditions.

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Speaker 2: I got traded. So I'm going to keep it cute.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep it cute on this front and

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Speaker 2: say that I support Fee and I want to do

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Speaker 2: everything in my.

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Speaker 4: Power as part of the Players Association and being part

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Speaker 4: of the CBA committee to make sure that we get

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Speaker 4: a deal done that we all feel is beneficial to

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Speaker 4: the league and the players. Because at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day, Kathy works with the owners. Guys, Kathy does

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Speaker 4: not work for us. She works with the owners. So

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Speaker 4: for me, coming at the league and the owners sideways. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's going to light a fire under negotiations for sure.

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Speaker 4: But as someone that wants to work in league leadership

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Speaker 4: that I want to be in one day and continue

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Speaker 4: to help grow the league and give players and organizations

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Speaker 4: to continue to build the league up. So shout out

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Speaker 4: to fe though, Like when she came up with her notes,

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Speaker 4: I said, oh, oh this is getting this is getting

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Speaker 4: a little spicy. But from the outside looking in, Mariah, like,

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Speaker 4: how did you feel about her words and her delivery

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Speaker 4: and all the things that she was saying.

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Speaker 1: I thought her accusations towards the commissioner were very damning,

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Speaker 1: and I was very interested to see what Kathy was

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Speaker 1: going to have to say in response. Look, the Visa

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Speaker 1: Collier is a very respectable player who isn't as Lexi

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Speaker 1: So I feel like her speaking, especially in that manner

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Speaker 1: that was very specific, accusatory and I mean direct, Kathy.

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Speaker 3: I'm speaking to you.

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Speaker 2: Was shocking.

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Speaker 1: I think that was the biggest part to me, saying

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Speaker 1: I had this private conversation and these were the exact things.

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Speaker 3: That were said. Were she had the red button for sure.

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Speaker 1: I think probably sitting in that conversation allegedly hearing those

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what she did. So I thought that

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Speaker 1: I was more shocked, less shocked about fees exit interview

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Speaker 3: More so, I was shocked by the commissioner's response.

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of WNBA players actually in the

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Speaker 1: I have a family too, which as two people who

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Speaker 2: As the commissioner of a league.

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Speaker 1: As long as I've been covering sports and been a

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Speaker 1: sports fan, I was not expecting that response. Look, the

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Speaker 3: Saying I'm so hurt and disheartened by this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, yet not exactly denying it, just saying there's

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Speaker 3: Saying fees lying.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that she was I don't think any

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Speaker 2: Least for you guys.

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Speaker 1: I didn't feel like it was necessarily taking responsibility for

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Speaker 1: Even though she doesn't work for the players, she does

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Speaker 1: have her responsibility to y'all and with growing the league,

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Speaker 1: like y'all.

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Speaker 2: Are was going to do that.

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Speaker 1: The owners aren't going to do that, obviously, they have

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Speaker 2: But without y'all, there is no league.

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Speaker 1: There is no nothing so at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: be y'all. And in that response, I didn't feel like

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Speaker 1: I would rather just keep it a buck and say, look,

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Speaker 1: there were some things I regret, or look, we're moving

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Speaker 3: I don't want to hear, but what about me? Because

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Speaker 3: David Stern would have been like, everybody's in trouble and.

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Speaker 1: This this, this, this, this and that like.

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Speaker 2: That would handle.

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Speaker 3: So I didn't like that at all.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you.

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Speaker 4: It's not glad you brought up David Stern because I'm

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Speaker 4: pretty sure he was the commissioner when my dad was

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Speaker 4: playing Yes, and my dad actually went through a lockout

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Speaker 4: in his career, and he and I have a lot

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Speaker 4: of conversations about CBA and negotiations because he was.

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Speaker 4: He was a WNBA coach, she was a wnbagm Like,

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Speaker 4: he knows so much, so I've just been picking his brain.

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Speaker 2: I always pick his brain.

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Speaker 4: But I've been picking his brain as of late about

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Speaker 4: this CBA stuff because he actually went through a lockout

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Speaker 4: and he says that our lockout now is very, very

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Speaker 4: similar to theirs in nineteen ninety eight. I think, I

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Speaker 4: We're still very early in our you know, WNBA lifetime,

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Speaker 4: Like we're still like basically a little kid as far as.

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Speaker 2: As you're approaching.

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Speaker 1: I feel like your thirtieth birthday asah, and that time

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Speaker 4: So he was like, there's a lot of similarities to

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Speaker 2: That's what a negotiation is.

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Speaker 4: Both parties are not going to come to a conclusion

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Speaker 4: where everything that they want is gonna is gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: So obviously the revenue sharing is top priority. If people

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Speaker 4: by now do not understand what that means, then y'all

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Speaker 4: are just being dense for no reason. Because me and

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Speaker 4: Mariah have talked about it over and over all, the

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Speaker 4: players have talked about it. There's messaging out if you

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Speaker 4: guys really want to hear about CBA talk. We literally

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Speaker 4: players Association, that we did back in February, So there's

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Speaker 4: information out for everybody to really understand what we're asking

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Speaker 4: for and the comparisons to the NBA NFL, Like, yes,

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Speaker 4: as far as players associations, that make sense, but as

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Speaker 4: far as money revenue, expensive expenses, like we understand that

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Speaker 4: understand that. So we're not going to beat a dead

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Speaker 2: Why don't any of the teams use their bench?

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Speaker 4: Why are the why are the players so tired when

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Speaker 4: glad that that's coming to the forefront. And also despite

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Speaker 4: that he said in her exit interview because of the

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Speaker 2: It was a few minutes.

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Speaker 4: It was everyone just focus on the fifteen second clip

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Speaker 4: of her talking about our superstars and what Kathy said,

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Speaker 2: Like, yes, that is an important.

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Speaker 4: Part to highlight, but everything else she said was exactly correct.

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Speaker 2: So I think we can use that to.

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Speaker 4: Segue into the finals a little bit because we have

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Speaker 4: seen a very dramatic change in the officiating. I feel

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Speaker 4: would have still said what she said regardless if they

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Speaker 4: advanced or not. But I do think that the officiating

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Speaker 4: tangent was definitely a jab at the Mercury, and we're

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Speaker 4: not looking their best right now in Games one and two,

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Speaker 4: I don't think, because I think their physicality is being

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Speaker 4: let's get into the finals a little bit. So what

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Speaker 1: The Mercury are a very physical team, as we saw

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Speaker 1: that kind of being the catalyst to fees entire speech that.

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Speaker 2: No, she literally laid me out in the back court

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Speaker 4: So the way she plays basketball is extremely physical. Kalia

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Speaker 4: And I think that's why we're seeing Jackie go off,

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Speaker 4: That's always been how post players play basketball, and that's

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Speaker 4: I was not strong enough to deal with that physicality

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Speaker 4: These finals, they are like, y'all can't touch anybody, And

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Speaker 4: And I'm really happy to see that because that benefits guards.

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Speaker 4: Ones that come off a lot of you know, downscreens

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Speaker 4: now see how the refs are calling these games, and

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Speaker 4: they're going to have to adjust. But they're gonna get swept,

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Speaker 4: Like it's possible the way Vegas is playing right now,

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Speaker 2: They have to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously the Aces are very much up right now.

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Speaker 2: Game two.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Jackie Young, I want to talk.

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Speaker 1: About her record breaking performance most points is most points

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Speaker 3: Two in a finals game, She's been the quiet spark

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Speaker 1: After a little bit of trouble in game one, Becky

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Speaker 3: Then you got Chelsea Gray and her assist. We'll talk

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Speaker 3: And what role does she play in that?

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Speaker 4: Jackie Young was literally a number one pick. She was

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Speaker 2: At the moment.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's funny that that's the reputation that

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Speaker 4: So I'm looking at her stats right now year one

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Speaker 4: unquote that you know they're building how many how many

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because think about it, the Warriors are still considered

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Speaker 4: Becky into the into the core.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, and there's something to be said about

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Speaker 1: They were constantly doing funny, silly stuff and everything was

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Speaker 4: We're still gonna whoop your ass and laugh at you.

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Speaker 1: Right then things kind of slowed down and to an

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Speaker 2: This championship DNA.

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Speaker 1: This isn't We're not just like a joke with an

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Speaker 1: and they're very much I mean as far as i'm

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Speaker 1: I can see, Like if we're we have to get

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Speaker 1: it's a culture they have going on, which is dynasty.

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Speaker 3: That's dynasty language.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And when you have a culture, you're able to

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Speaker 2: No? Didn't. I don't think anybody did. But did I?

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Speaker 4: I did expect them to finish in the top four

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Speaker 4: like this, when Asia and Chelsea Gray get their synergy going.

444
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: They are such a hard team to beat.

445
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 4: And then you have a coaching phenom legend and Becky

446
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 4: Hammond just staring at you, waiting for you to mess up,

447
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 4: waiting for her to draw Ato to get someone a

448
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 4: wide open, easy shot, Like they're just clicking on all cylinders.

449
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 4: And I can't say the same about Phoenix right now.

450
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: And then I think that was.

451
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 4: Super apparent when they had three over three minutes left

452
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 4: in the game and coach coach cleared his bench. I

453
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 4: never I never seen that before. I understand that he

454
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 4: was worried about injuries and fatigue, so like from that perspective,

455
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 4: I understood, but like, we're in the finals and there

456
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 4: was a moment in that span where he had his

457
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 4: bench and where if Westfeld hit a three.

458
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: It was a single digit game.

459
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 4: So for me, I was like, I understand it from

460
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 4: players safety, health and safety perspective, but like it's the finals,

461
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 4: Like you can't wave the white you can't wave the

462
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 4: more competitive nature, right, you can't wave the white flag

463
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 4: that early.

464
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: I also wanted to kind of get your perspective on

465
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: the importance of coaching, because we talk a lot about

466
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: continuity and coaching and.

467
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 3: Those at the top on the show, but Becky.

468
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: Very much has been a part of this building dynasty

469
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: and growing dynasty. That the aces have going on and

470
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: things like that, like pulling out.

471
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: Clearing your bitch with three.

472
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: Minutes left in the finals game, would you.

473
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: Still very much have a chance. That sends a message

474
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 3: of like.

475
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 4: All right, we're going I don't like me either, and

476
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 4: that means that they are coming super correct for game three.

477
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 4: That's all I That's what I got from that is

478
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: you're throwing a towel like that. That means you are like,

479
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 4: we're getting our butts home and we're going to figure

480
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 4: out how to beat them in game three. I feel

481
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 4: like Sammy Whitcomb was it one hundred percent after her

482
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 4: scary injury in game one? Was it game one? I

483
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 4: feel like she she might've hurt herself. She wasn't herself.

484
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 4: Saw Tou had a rough night. I mean she had

485
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 4: twenty two to nine, but it wasn't like very satu

486
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 4: like at was in foul trouble. Ka has been playing

487
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 4: really well in this finals dB. You know, she had

488
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 4: her amazing moment in the Semis, but overall like she's

489
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 4: kind of has struggled throughout the playoffs, especially with her

490
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 4: outside shooting. I think Becky has just found a way

491
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 4: to incorporate her entire team and the way she needs them.

492
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 4: We said in the last series that Dana Evans and

493
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 4: Jewel Lloyd are like the key to the Aces winning games,

494
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 4: and Dana Evans Game one showed up and showed out.

495
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 4: So I want to give a shout out to Dana

496
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 4: Evans because last season for her in Chicago was was

497
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 4: rough and fans were me and it wasn't probably this

498
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 4: season that she was envisioning for herself.

499
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: I would love people to now.

500
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 4: Put some respect on these players' names. I say that

501
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 4: all the time on this show. Is a lot of

502
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 4: people who tune into the WNBA, who have tuned in

503
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 4: the last year or two are judging a lot of

504
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 4: these players in these what nine months that you guys

505
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 4: have seen them play basketball on their respective teams in

506
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 4: the w And.

507
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: What Dana did in college at Louisville was amazing.

508
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: Her body of work overseas is amazing. She won a

509
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 4: championship her rookie year after getting traded, Like Dana is

510
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 4: someone who has put the time and work in and

511
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 4: I'm really glad that she showed up the way she

512
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 4: has throughout this playoffs because I think a lot of

513
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 4: people were also questioning like why did they bring Dana

514
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 4: on this team? Why is she on the aces, Like

515
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 4: she's not a good fit.

516
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: I think she's excellent fit.

517
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 4: And in their press conference the other day, Becky even

518
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 4: gave her or two nights ago, whenever the game was

519
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: Becky even gave her a shout out for her shooting

520
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 4: drill scores, like when you think people aren't watching and

521
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: paying attention to what you're doing, and on off days

522
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 4: when you're doing your shooting, Like we have so much

523
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 4: technology now, guys, like if you're in the gym, it's gonna.

524
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: Get checked, Like there's there's a.

525
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 4: Camera somewhere counting all your shots. The Phoenix coach said

526
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 4: it about Sammy or the media members said about how

527
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 4: many shots Sammy gets up. Becky shouted out Dana for,

528
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 4: you know, her shooting drill scores and stuff like that.

529
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 4: So these players are working their asses off to be

530
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 4: ready for the moment, and I'm so happy for data,

531
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 4: like I like she was. We were teammates in Chicago,

532
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: and neither one of us really played that much, but

533
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 4: we were in the gym together a lot, and we were.

534
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: On the bench together a lot.

535
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: And even in the finals when we had a really

536
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 4: huge blowout game. We both got to play, we both

537
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: got to score in the finals. So for her to

538
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 4: now be in the finals being a key piece to

539
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 4: the Aces winning games, like it just makes me so

540
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 4: happy and like I love it for her because she

541
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: did have a rough year last year and she put

542
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 4: her head down, worked one overseas. Now she's here hooping

543
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 4: and she's going to play unrivaled. Like it's just gonna

544
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 4: go up, up up for her, and like that's what

545
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 4: it's all about at the end of the day, when

546
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: we talk about being ready for your moment, Like that's

547
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 4: that personified.

548
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: Is Dana for real?

549
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: Shout out Dana contributing to Championship Teams.

550
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: You go, girl.

551
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: I want to ask you a little bit of.

552
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: A spicy question.

553
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: So clearly At has been unhappy with the refang. You

554
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: have Sawtu foul trouble in game one and AT and

555
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: foul trouble in game two.

556
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: Both have had the assignment of Angel Wilson.

557
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: She was in voul trouble, had a quiet night compared

558
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: to her usual standards, finished with ten, five and six.

559
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 3: So my question to you is watching the game.

560
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: Right, is this more of a asil Wilson thing being

561
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: able to get her primary defender into foul trouble or

562
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: is this a skilled thing on Asia's part, or because

563
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: I know the fans are going to be wondering because

564
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: of all of the drama in the last series with

565
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: the links the refs obviously we talked about at the

566
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: top of the show kind of having their message in

567
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: their group chat. It seems like if they were officiating

568
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: the same way they did in the last series, would

569
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: things be different.

570
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of both.

571
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 4: Like I said at the beginning of the show, at

572
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: does play basketball like football, and that's so like, that's

573
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 4: her style of play, like cool. She's been allowed to

574
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 4: play this way for many, many years. I think on

575
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 4: the flip side, she should not be the primary defender

576
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 4: of Asia Wilson. She should defend her at times, but

577
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 4: she should not be the primary defender for this exact reason.

578
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 4: Asia's skill set, her footwork in the mid post is

579
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 4: so elite, like she's gonna bait you into one or

580
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 4: two fouls just off the strength of her skill set alone,

581
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 4: like you could play the best defense in the world.

582
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: But because her release point is so high and her

583
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 4: footwork is so good, she gonna catch you slipping sometimes.

584
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: So I think that Asia has worked really hard on

585
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 4: her game to get it off the block and get

586
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: it to the midpost where she can face up like

587
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 4: I said earlier, and get the different defensive rules to

588
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 4: where you can't be as physical with her because she's

589
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 4: facing up. And I think that if the refs did

590
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 4: ref book by the book, like every don't touch anybody,

591
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 4: that at would fill out of every game. So I

592
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: don't like I see her frustration because she's like, y'all

593
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: been letting me play like this all season for years,

594
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 4: and now in the WNBA Finals, y'all want to start

595
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 4: getting tikki tak with me.

596
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: Third place MVP voter, get her me like, y'all go

597
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: play in my face like that.

598
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 4: So I understand her frustration, trust me, But also like,

599
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 4: this is Asia Wilson. We're talking about who actually did

600
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 4: win the MVP. So when it comes to who's going

601
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: to get the benefit of the doubt in Vegas, it's

602
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 4: gonna be Asia Wilson.

603
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: Now, the tie could turn in Phoenix.

604
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 4: Because we know the word of the year for these

605
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 4: referees has been inconsistency. So we're gonna see what happens

606
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: in Phoenix and if they if they keep it tight

607
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: like they've been keeping it, but who knows.

608
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: And that's and that's the annoying part about the frustration

609
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: with the refs.

610
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 4: It's like, you really don't know if you're going to

611
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 4: get the same type of foul calling game to game.

612
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 4: And I think that's why everyone is so irked and

613
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 4: frustrated because you don't really even know. And it's funny also,

614
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 4: it's funny like so when the refs, when you get

615
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 4: the refs, I don't even know if you know what

616
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 4: refs are coming until like the actual game time or

617
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 4: warm up time, but they put the ref's names in tape,

618
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 4: like in front of your benches, so you know the

619
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 4: ref's names. So even before the game starts, the tape

620
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 4: is there with their names.

621
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: We're like, oh, we got.

622
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 4: In today, we got hurt today, like so we got

623
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 4: to get mentally prepared.

624
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: So who is refing our games?

625
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 4: I personally, I do have a handful of refs that

626
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 4: I really like, but I also have a handful of

627
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 4: refs that I don't like as much. But as I

628
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 4: always say, foul call. My biggest issue is freedom of movement.

629
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: That's it.

630
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 4: And I'm stronger now, you know, it's not going to

631
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 4: be as much of a problem as it was last season.

632
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 4: But I remember coming back my first like few games

633
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 4: and I was like, yo, I can't even get open, I.

634
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: Can't get the ball. I'm tired. Why am I.

635
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 4: Getting thrown around like a rag doll right now? And

636
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 4: it was because they wasn't calling no freedom movement. But

637
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 4: I also was just a little, a little weakling. But

638
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 4: I think that Game three is a must win for Phoenix.

639
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 4: If they don't win Game three, I think I think

640
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 4: they could possibly get swept.

641
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't want that.

642
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 4: This has been such a great playoffs and for it

643
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: to end in a four to zero of the first

644
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 4: seven series seven game series in WBA history, going to

645
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 4: four zero, I would hate that as a fan and

646
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 4: as everything, but I would hate that so much.

647
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: I mean, before we send the people off into watching

648
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: this next game, I guess the next time the hoop

649
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: promotes we they'll have already watched it. But however, what

650
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: do you think that Phoenix needs to do to get

651
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: back in the series.

652
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 2: Slash.

653
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: Is it possible for Phoenix to get back into the series. Yeah,

654
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: like it is there a possibility or has they not?

655
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: It's absolutely possible. I have their I have everybody's playoff

656
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: metrics here. You know me, I love I love numbers.

657
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 4: So point blank Satu has to play better in at

658
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: has a stay out of foul trouble the end. Sammy

659
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 4: Wickcom has to make threes and they have three point

660
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 4: shooters on their bench, but they have just not been

661
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 4: playing a lot of minutes. So it's whether it is

662
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: coach going to trust his bench to come in and

663
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 4: maybe make something shake, give them a new look. I

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Speaker 4: don't know if he's going to do that in Game

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Speaker 4: three of the WNBA Finals, but he has he has

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Speaker 4: high quality shooters on his bench that are ready to go.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, so it's.

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Speaker 4: Gonna be interesting, especially if Sammy is not one hundred percent,

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Speaker 4: He's gonna have to lean on his shooters that he

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Speaker 4: has on the bench, and he has them, so I

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Speaker 4: think that's gonna have to happen. I think Vegas is

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Speaker 4: just gonna have to stay focused in locked in. I

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Speaker 4: think they're gonna have to keep riding this Jackie wave,

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Speaker 4: and I think Jewel and Dana have to just continue

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Speaker 4: to come in and contribute in whatever way that they can.

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Speaker 4: Vegas Is offensive rating right now is one oh nine,

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Speaker 4: and throughout the playoffs that would be first, and during

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Speaker 4: the season they were at one o six. They finished

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Speaker 4: the regular season at one o six offensive rating. Phoenix's

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Speaker 4: offensive rating right now is ninety eight point four and

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Speaker 4: during the season the regular season, they finished at one

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Speaker 4: oh four.

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Speaker 2: So their offense is not Their offense.

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Speaker 4: Is not where that during the regular season, and I

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Speaker 4: think it's fatigue. I think that it's they are settling

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Speaker 4: for a little bit more outside shots than they were

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Speaker 4: in the regular season, and I think that that is

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00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 4: an easy adjustment for them to make. Where they hang

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00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 4: their hat is their defense, and their defensive rating has

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00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: slid a little bit in the playoffs, and Vegas is

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Speaker 4: a brown the exact same as it was throughout the season.

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Speaker 4: We never looked at Vegas as a super defensive team.

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Speaker 4: That was Phoenix's bread and butter. So I think they

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Speaker 4: just need to lean back into that, which, like we said,

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Speaker 4: is gonna be hard because of their physicality and the

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Speaker 4: way that the games have been reffed.

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Speaker 2: But they're just gonna have to figure it out.

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Speaker 4: So finals figure it out, go back to what has

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Speaker 4: been helping y'all, which is y'all's defense. Vegas is averaging

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Speaker 4: eighties eight points per game. Phoenix is averaging eighty one

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Speaker 4: points per game. Vegas is shooting thirty eight percent from three,

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Speaker 4: shooting twenty and Phoenix is shooting thirty one percent shooting

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Speaker 4: twenty seven. So Phoenix is shooting more threes than Vegas

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Speaker 4: at a lower clip. Rebounding something that was very glaring

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Speaker 4: in the last game for both teams. Honestly, I think

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Speaker 4: they both can rebound a little bit better, but they're

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Speaker 4: both kind.

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Speaker 2: Of like the same rebounding.

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Speaker 4: Neither one of them or like killing anybody rebounding wise

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Speaker 4: about the regular season. So I think that defensively is

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Speaker 4: where Phoenix is going to get their energy. I think

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Speaker 4: that's where they've gotten their energy all season long. I

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Speaker 4: think At is going to have to stay in the game.

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Speaker 4: She can't get in foul trouble. The team looks so

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Speaker 4: different when she's not running the show and not saying

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Speaker 4: that mcannie can't handle it, but she's like she's like

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00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 4: point guard adjacent, like sh'll run an offense when she

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Speaker 4: absolutely has to.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, At is the

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Speaker 2: one running that team. So I think they're going to

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Speaker 2: be fine.

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Speaker 4: I think they're going to get back home, get some rest.

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Speaker 4: And that crowd in Phoenix is crazy, so they're going

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Speaker 4: to feed off the energy of of the of the

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Speaker 4: X factor is that? Is that what they're called whatever?

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Speaker 4: I love playing in Phoenix. I think Phoenix is like

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Speaker 4: one of my favorite places to play.

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Speaker 2: I'm a playing a lot that we're texting.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I love it.

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Speaker 4: I love I Honestly, I think I have more places

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Speaker 4: I love to play than like my least favorite places.

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Speaker 2: Like I absolutely hate playing in Connecticut.

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Speaker 4: Obviously everyone does, I think unless you went to Yukon.

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Speaker 2: I also don't really like playing in.

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Speaker 4: Hm hmm, else I really like to play. I don't

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Speaker 4: really like playing DC their gymas. It's just too little,

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Speaker 4: Like I just feel like they deserve better.

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Speaker 2: We deserve better than playing in that little arena. Like

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Speaker 2: is it smaller than the Dream Arena? I think so.

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 4: And if it's not smaller, like it's not smaller like

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Speaker 4: capacity wise, like the actual building is feels like.

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Speaker 2: Way smaller than the dream where the Dream play. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the Dream arena, yeah, the quarter Yeah, the Dream.

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Speaker 4: Arena is nuts. I really enjoyed in there, and I

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00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 4: like that. I like the Dark Court too, which some

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Speaker 4: people hate it.

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Speaker 2: But I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 4: So I think this is going to come out before

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00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 4: Game three, actually the morning of.

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Speaker 3: So they won't know either.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I did read a few comments, like now, guys,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to the YouTube comments. Okay, I like to look.

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00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: At them now.

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00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 4: I'm also back on threads. Guys, I'm back on threads.

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00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get our show a little bit more popping.

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00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 4: I had to check somebody yesterday. I've only been back

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00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 4: on threads for like four days, and I already had

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Speaker 4: to check somebody because they try to talk crazy about

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Speaker 4: my dad and my agent, and I was like, y'all

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00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 4: can talk crazy about me, but don't don't bring my

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Speaker 4: dad into this.

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Speaker 2: So he didn't say anything like that. Sad.

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00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't say anything absurd, but like now I

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00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 4: have to not have to step in because now you're

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00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 4: talking about my father and my agent, Like I don't

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00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 4: played by my family, So keep it cute on threads.

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Speaker 2: I think that.

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Speaker 4: Next well, depending on how these next two games go,

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Speaker 4: I want us to do like a Q and a episode,

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Speaker 4: so probably not next episode, but the episode after. So

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Speaker 4: y'all tapping with us on Well, Maria, you're on.

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Speaker 2: X still right that horrible place? Yes, I'm on as

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Speaker 2: on X. I'm on.

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Speaker 3: I don't go on it, but I have an account.

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00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 4: So hit us up in our YouTube comments, our podcast

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00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 4: Instagram page, and you can hit me on threads. I guess,

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00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 4: so questions and stuff, some guests that y'all want to

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00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 4: hear from, because this season is wrapping up so we

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00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 4: don't have to provide some quality episodes for y'all while

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Speaker 4: the WNBA is in the off season, which I'm very

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00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 4: excited about, and now we can start.

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Speaker 2: Bringing in Yes, I'm sure we'll have plenty, so we can.

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Speaker 4: Bring in some guests, we can talk about whatever you

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00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 4: guys want. College season is about to gear up, which

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Speaker 4: I'm super.

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00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: Excited about, but for now, we locked.

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00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 4: Into the WNBA finals, So I hope y'all are continuing

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00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 4: to watch and support the w despite all of this

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00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 4: nonsense going around with our CBA and our commissioner. Just

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00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 4: know that the more y'all support us, the more leverage

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Speaker 4: we get and the better we can make this.

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Speaker 2: League for the future.

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Speaker 4: So thank y'all for tuning in again to an episode

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Speaker 4: of Full Circle Podcast.

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