1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson. 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: Railvalry No, no, sibling, Rae, don't do that with your mouth. Revelry. 5 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: That's good. Airban Pit's for you, it's for me. 6 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: Welcome. 7 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: I don't know why that popped into my head. 8 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 9 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: Oh, you know why. 10 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 2: I know why. 11 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: I am going skiing in February over President's Day. And 12 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: I was thinking before I got on, like okay, what 13 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: the fuck am I going to stay and be? You know, Okay, 14 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: I got to go on Airbnb and make sure and 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: get a place it's like cool, I can handle my 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: kids that's close to the mountain. And that's why I 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: thought of it, because I'll be using an Airbnb and 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: Sandy Utah skiing Snowbird in February. Anyone wants to come, 19 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: let's go anyway. It's me. It's Oliver Hudson, Oliver Buttledch Hudson. 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: We got our guest in the waiting room. I'm not 21 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: going to give too much of an intro here about 22 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: my life because You guys pretty much know my life anyway, 23 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: but this is an exciting one because I actually follow 24 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: his Instagram account. I have gnarly anxiety. As everyone knows. 25 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: My mother has been, you know, delving into the brain 26 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: and using her knowledge to sort of help create a 27 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: curriculum for children and letting them understand why they have 28 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: the emotions that they have. There's a lot going on. 29 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: There's so much to talk about. I'm going to try 30 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: not to use this as a personal therapy session, but 31 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: let's bring let's bring the man on, doctor Daniel. Well, 32 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: this is a treat. I really appreciate you coming on. 33 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: There's a ton, a ton to talk about with you. 34 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean a ton. Number one, my mother. You know, 35 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: my mom's Goldie, hon Did you know that? Or no 36 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: I didn't, Okay, so my mom's Goldie Hawn. She has 37 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: been researching the brain. Neuroscience is sort of her passion. 38 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: She's created a foundation called mind Up that she's been 39 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: sort of pioneering, or she pioneered and is shepherding for 40 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: the last twenty years, where it's basically creating a place 41 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: for kids to understand why they're feeling the things that 42 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: they're feeling. You know through science, you know, only frustrated, 43 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: you're feeling anger, you know what is actually happening within 44 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: your brain that is making you feel these things. And 45 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to get her on. She has to go 46 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: into town, but I wanted her to come on with 47 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: you because it would be a triat for her because 48 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: she's heard of you. 49 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. 50 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome. Yeah. So this is definitely, you know, 51 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: a place for me to sort of air out my 52 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: own insanity with you. But let's not go there quite yet. 53 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: I'd like to go back, honestly, you know, into your childhood. 54 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: You know, understand sort of where you came from leading 55 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: up to what inspired you to do the work that 56 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: you do. You know, like, where did you grow up? 57 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: So I grew up in the San Fernando Valley as 58 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: one of seven children. I was third, which you can 59 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: think about two ways. One, I was irrelevant in an 60 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: Elebanese family, the oldest boy is the most important child. 61 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: And then the oldest girl was special an older brother 62 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: and older sister and four younger sisters, and so it 63 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: was a fair amount of chaos and I was clearly 64 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: not special. But it's total freedom because you can basically 65 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: do anything you want where my older brother. My dad 66 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: owned a chain of grocery stores, and it was very 67 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: clear that that's what he was going to do, and 68 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: so I tried it, like I worked in the grocery 69 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: store since I was ten, and I'm like, no, this 70 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: is not what I'm going to do. And then I 71 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: eighteen seventy two, Vietnam was still going on. I turned eighteen, 72 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: I had a low draft number, and odds are I 73 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: was going to be drafted. So I became an infantry 74 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: medic and that's where I fell in love with medicine, 75 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: and thank God for me, I didn't go to Vietnam. 76 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: I went to West Germany and I loved living in Europe. 77 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: I didn't like being shot at. So I got myself 78 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: retrained as an X ray technician and developed a passion 79 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 2: for medical imaging. As our professors used to say, how 80 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: do you know unless you look? And that really became 81 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: one of the major themes of my life because if 82 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: you come to one of my eleven clinics, we're going 83 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: to look at your brain. That it's the big missing 84 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: piece in mental health diagnosis and treatment. Nobody ever looks 85 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: at your brain, which of course is insane and since then, 86 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: we built the world's largest database of brain scans related 87 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: to behavior, quarter of a million on people from one 88 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five countries, and so incredible. 89 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: Do you have to get imaging when they are in 90 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: a state of whatever it is? We're looking for a 91 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: state of high anxiety, state of depression, a state of elation. Joy. 92 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: I mean, do you have to have those triggers to 93 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: be able to see what's happening now? 94 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: Because most of the time, you know, we get people 95 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: in their regular state. I mean, so for example, with PMS, 96 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: I have five sisters and five daughters. It's a real thing. 97 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: Five daughters. Wow, So I often were you trying for 98 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: the boy and it just didn't happen, or were just 99 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: wanting to have children? 100 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: I have a boy. Okay, I adopted a boy. But 101 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: it's a lot of estrogel. And so sometimes I'll scan 102 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: a woman, like right before she has her cycle, generally 103 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: the worst time of the cycle, and then I'll scan 104 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: her eleven or twelve days later, and it's the first 105 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: time you really believe in multiple personality disorder because their 106 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: brains are often very different. Your brain tends to be 107 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: your brain. If you go on a manic episode, it'll change, 108 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: but you'll still see the pattern beforehand. 109 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. Well, I, you know, have suffered from suffer 110 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: from anxiety since I was in my twenties. 111 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: You know, I. 112 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: I had a moment and I thought I was having 113 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: a heart attack, like most people say, and then that 114 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: sort of started off this year just saying journey of 115 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: trying to figure out why number one, what it was, 116 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: why I'm feeling this way. You know, I got on lexapro. 117 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm on lexapro now, but I've been consistently, not consistently, 118 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: but every once in a while having these big time bouts. 119 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: You know. 120 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: When I tried to wean off of my lexapro is 121 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: when I really like went into a crazy space and 122 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: had to go back on. But I feel like, you know, 123 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: it's definitely been something for me that has been character building, 124 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: There's no doubt. I guess. My question is is there 125 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: a genetic component to anxiety depression? 126 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: For sure? And there's also modeling for it. You know, 127 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: if your mom or dad had it and they had 128 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: the negative thinking that often goes along with it, or 129 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: if there's chronic stress, it all sort of works together. 130 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: In my mind, I always think in these four big circles. 131 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: There's biological causes of anxiety, including low ferretin measure of 132 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: iron storak, high thyroid. The biological causes, there's certain areas 133 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: of the brain, like the amygdala or basal ganglia that 134 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: tend to work too hard and people with anxiety. It 135 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: can be genetic, or it can be based on trauma 136 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 2: and unprocessed trauma experiences. I think when you grow up 137 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: with someone who's very successful or very famous, it changes 138 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: your brain, you know. I mean, obviously there are benefits, 139 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 2: but there are also pretty big risks associated with it. 140 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: So what kind like, how does that because now you're 141 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: speaking my language, how would that affect. 142 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I've been blessed to see you know, 143 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: some of them, Yeah, well known people in the world. 144 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: And I'm like, dear God, don't let me be famous 145 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 2: before my brain is finished developing, right, And the brain 146 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 2: doesn't finish developing until you're twenty five. And so when 147 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: you grow up in the public eye, there's always bullies, 148 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: there's always critics, there's always comparison, and it's unless your 149 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: parents are pretty rooted, it can be very problematic. And 150 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: a lot of the kids of well known people I've 151 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 2: seen were in part raised by other people because parents 152 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: were so busy. It's tricky, and you could probably tell 153 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: me more about what it was like for you. Yeah, 154 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: but a sense of entitlement can happen, and entitled people 155 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: are never happy. And you know, I grew up with 156 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: a very powerful father who was famous in grocery business, right, 157 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: I mean it's a different level of fame, but he 158 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: was chairman of the board of a four billion dollar company. 159 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: Oh wow, I'm like, so, how do you live up 160 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: to that? And I think that was hard? Well, I 161 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: don't think it was hard for me to, you know, 162 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: always sort of be less than. But when I find that, 163 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: I when I don't compare myself to other people, I 164 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: am as happy. 165 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: As can be. 166 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: But it's when it's like, oh, you don't have this 167 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: or don't have that, that you get sad. 168 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy because this 169 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: is your This is exactly sort of how I have 170 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: experienced my life. But this is not that. It's not 171 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: something that has been put upon me. I have done 172 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: this to myself. You know. The expectation is just self inflicted. Essentially. 173 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: My sister's famous, you know, my parents are famous. I 174 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: wanted to get into the world of mood the movie business, 175 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: but acting necessarily wasn't my thing, wasn't my love. I 176 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: kind of fell into it twenty three, twenty one, twenty two, 177 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: trying to figure it out, comparing myself to my friends 178 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: around me who are getting jobs that first baut of anxiety. 179 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: When I did sort of go inward and meditate and 180 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: write my journals and seek out therapy. It really sort 181 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: of that was what it came down too, which was 182 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: this comparison, which I still fucking do today at forty 183 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: eight years old. And I can completely relate to you. 184 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: You say, when I feel that moment of I'm not comparing, 185 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: there's just a weight completely lifted off of my shoulders. 186 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: It's just about getting to that space. I guess you 187 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: know well. 188 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: And then I learned not to believe every stupid thing 189 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 2: I think free. I call them ants no nomatic negative thoughts, 190 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: the thoughts that come into your mind automatically and just 191 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: ruin per day. And I love teaching my patients to 192 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: be the leader of their emotions rather than the victim 193 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: of their emotion. So I want to take a leadership role. 194 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: And I wrote a kid's book called Captain Snouty and 195 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: the Superpower Questions, and it's basically and Captain snout is 196 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 2: an anteater, right if you have too many aunts? I 197 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 2: I have an ant eater. And whenever you feel sad 198 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 2: or mad or nervous or out of control, write down 199 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: what you're thinking and then just ask yourself whether or 200 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: not it's true that you don't have to believe every 201 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: stupid thing you think. Thoughts come from the news, you watch, 202 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: the music, you listen to, the voice of your siblings, 203 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: the voice of your mom or dad, your friends, your foes. 204 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: And. 205 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: Darry Seinfeld said, the brain is a sneaky organ. You 206 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: all have weird, crazy, stupid, sexual, violent thoughts that nobody 207 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: should ever hear. And I spend a lot of time 208 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: with my patients. It's like, let's not let the side 209 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: voice get out. It's like always sort of assess. I 210 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: say this, does it help me? Do this? Does it 211 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: help me? Get me what I want? And too often 212 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: most people have never asked themselves what do you want? 213 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: When I ask my patients, they talk about money or 214 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: they talk about work, and I'm like, no, what do 215 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: you want? Relationships? What do you want? Like with my wife. 216 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: I want a kind, caring, loving, supportive, passionate relationship. Always 217 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: want that. Don't always feel like that rude thoughts show up. 218 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: Don't let the inside voice come out. Supervise yourself so 219 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: you get what you want, and people call that selfish. 220 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: It's most almost all of my patients what they want relationships, work, money, physical, emotional, spiritual, health, 221 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: awesome stoff. So acting in a way consistently doesn't fit. 222 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: You know you've said something that's interesting where you know 223 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: you're not alone when you have these insane thoughts. You know, 224 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: because sometimes I'll have the craziest thoughts of all time 225 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: where I'll just start ruminating on a scenario where all 226 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: of my kids are die in some am I in 227 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: some horrific accident, and I'm thinking, Oliver, what are you doing? 228 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: And I'm catastrophizing. Of course, you know, it's almost like 229 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: I don't even know why you're doing it. It's it's 230 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: a protection mechanism in case it does happen, you don't 231 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: hurt so much. I have no fucking idea. 232 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: It's because your mind is undisciplined and you just have 233 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: to discipline it. And it's not hard, but it takes work. 234 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 2: Whenever you feel sad or mad or nervous or I 235 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: can just write it down and then go is that true? 236 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 2: And there's a process I learned from my friend by 237 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: Ron Katie where take each thought captive and there are 238 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: five questions. So my kids are going to die in 239 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: a horrific accident. Here's the five questions. Is it true? Yeah, no, 240 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 2: So question two is automatically no. If one is no, 241 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: so one is a true. Question two is is it 242 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 2: absolutely true? You know that with one hundred uncertainty of course. 243 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: Question three is how do you feel when you have 244 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: that thought? 245 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: Terrible terrible panic? 246 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, ye, even though it's something that's not true. 247 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 248 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: The fourth question is how would you feel if you 249 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: didn't have that thought? 250 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: Amazing? Right? 251 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 2: And the fifth question is turning that thought around that's 252 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: terrorizing you to the opposite, that's not going to happen 253 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: to my kids. That you meditate on that, yeah, and 254 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: then you're fine. Yeah, if you don't take each thought captive, Yeah, 255 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: you believe it even though it's a lie, and then 256 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 2: you act out of the erroneous belief. 257 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's that it's cognitive abal therapy stuff too, 258 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean that's definitely it is that you have. 259 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: To work it, and I figured out a way to 260 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: make it super simple. Yeah, don't believe every stupid thing 261 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: you think. 262 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: No, I love that. It's so true. It's hard. It's 263 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: hard though, well, well, because you're creating these negative emotions 264 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: out of absolute bullshit. We're inflicting pain upon ourselves with 265 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: these ideas, these ruminations that haven't even happened yet. 266 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 2: And it's harder not to do it right, right, I mean, 267 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 2: if you put in the effort, it's sort of like 268 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: going to the gym, Like if you haven't gone to 269 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 2: the gym in ten years, it's sort of hard. But 270 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 2: the more you do it, actually, in a matter of weeks, 271 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 2: you begin to notice your body changing and then you 272 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: feel really good about it. And so I think it's 273 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 2: important to just see it as good work. 274 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: Well, it's like meditation, you know, it is a practice. 275 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes practice isn't as fun as the games, 276 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: and you have to just grit and bear and fucking practice, 277 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: you know, because then it will just get better and 278 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: better and better and easier and easier. It's so funny though, 279 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: because I like to work out, I like to run, 280 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, I have a big I'm a fisherman, I 281 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: have a book. All of these things that I love 282 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: to do or some that I don't, but I just 283 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: want to take care of my body. The hardest thing 284 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: is to sit down for even ten minutes and enter 285 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: into a meditation, even though from a time consuming standpoint, 286 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: it's nothing, but there's such a resistance there. And it's me. 287 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 1: But I find that that's a common thing that people, 288 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: you know, can sort of relate to, where it's like, 289 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: it's ten minutes, just do it, but there's a resistance there, 290 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: And I wonder sometimes where that comes from. Why am 291 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: I resisting this, you know, because it's difficult to. 292 00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: Do it for a thirty second? 293 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's just. 294 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: The simpler you can make it, the tinier you can 295 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: make a habit you want to build better. Like after 296 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: our conversation, one thing that would be helpful is give 297 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: your mind a name. And like, I named my mind 298 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: after my pet raccoon when I was sixteen. So I 299 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: interviewed Stephen Hayes. He's the founder of ACT, a form 300 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 2: of psychotherapy, and he said, yeah, one of our techniques 301 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: is give your mind a name. And I'm like, would 302 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 2: I name my mind came to me almost immediately. I 303 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: had a raccoon when I was sixteen, when she was 304 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 2: a baby, and I loved her. Wow, she was just 305 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: like my mind, a troublemaker, t peed my mother's bathroom, 306 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 2: made all the fish out of my sister's aquarium, and 307 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: would lead rakom pooh in my shoes. And I'm like, 308 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: that's my mind. So when it starts bothering me, I'm 309 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: metaphorically just sort of put her in the cage. It's like, 310 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 2: you know, I don't have to listen to you, And 311 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 2: now what I do is in my mind. I put 312 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: her on her back and take her issues to like that, 313 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 2: And raccoons make over two hundred sounds. And it's about 314 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 2: gaining psychological distance from the noise in your head. And no, 315 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 2: the noise is not you, and you can assess it 316 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: and decide what's true for you. Right, it's not the 317 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 2: thoughts you have that make you unhappy, it's the thoughts 318 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: you attached to. 319 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: What about when you're moving into more of an active 320 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: space or like impulse control, when you do have a 321 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: thought and you don't want to act on it because 322 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: you know it's bad, but you can't help yourself. 323 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: Give me an example. 324 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: Well, you know, let's just say gambling. Okay, so you're 325 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: a gam you're a gambler. You're like, I know I 326 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: shouldn't do this, I don't want to do this, but 327 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden, something pops up online 328 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: and you get that hit of dopamine and now you're 329 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: off to the fucking races, and like, I have to gamble. 330 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: And I know it's a thought, but I cannot control 331 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: that impulse. What is happening in your body physically. 332 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 2: So the things going on in your brain, it's that's 333 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: gambling is an impulsive compulsive disorder. So your frontal lobes 334 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 2: are not as strong as they could be, and your 335 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 2: anterior singular gyris I think of is the brains gearshifter 336 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 2: tends to work too hard, and it's like you get 337 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 2: thoughts that loop do this, do this, do this, do this, 338 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: do this, and your break is not strong enough to 339 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: stop it. Interestingly, there's a medicine, a supplement called ancetyl 340 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 2: cysteine that has been shown to help with compulsive gambling. 341 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: And it's a super antioxidant. It's metabolized to glutathione in 342 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: the body and It's been helpful for so many things, 343 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 2: even had trauma depression. But compulsions, there's studies with marijuana, alcohol, nicotine, 344 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: compulsive gambling, and compulsive hair pulling called tricotylomania. Not how 345 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: I got. 346 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: What what about sex like sexual addiction? Is that compulsion 347 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: or is that something different? 348 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I wrote a book called Your Brain 349 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 2: is Always Listening, and I actually rewrote the twelve step 350 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 2: program from a neuroscience perspective, and I'm like, so, what 351 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: type of addiction do you have? Is it an impulsive 352 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 2: addiction where you just can't say no? Is it a 353 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: compulsive addiction where you think about it all the time? 354 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 2: Is it impulsive compulsive combination? Is it sad you're using 355 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,959 Speaker 2: it to treat an underlying depression or is it an 356 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 2: anxious to medicate an underlying anxiety disorder? So know your 357 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: brain type, which is why it aim In clinics, you know, 358 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: we scan people. It's like, let's look at your brain 359 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: and let's get it really healthy. And if your brain 360 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: is healthy, you just have much better control over your 361 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: behavior and you're much more likely to relapse and the 362 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: ants are much more likely to attack. If you didn't 363 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 2: sleep well the night before if you let your blood 364 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 2: sugar go low. So I actually have a lot of 365 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 2: my patients where continuous glucose monitors, and if they're blood 366 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: they go too long without eating, for example, they're more 367 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: likely to relapse. And I think just knowing what are 368 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: my triggers and when am I likely to have a 369 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: problem is so helpful in treading addictions. 370 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I mean, how I feel like this needs 371 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: to be more accessible, you know, so people can really 372 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: get an idea, you know, of what's happening, you know, 373 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: from a physiological stand point, you know, a science standpoint, 374 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: and how to sort of mitigate some of these things 375 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: through supplements or through just taking care of your body. 376 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 2: Well, Oliver, think about it with me. Psychiatrists are the 377 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: only medical doctors who never look at the organ they tree, 378 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: How does that make any sense? So I'm a double 379 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: board certified psychiatrist, and when I started looking at the brain, 380 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, of course everybody should do this, but 381 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 2: it doesn't match the status quo, and so I get 382 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: demonized and I'm like, oh no, I'm not the devil 383 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: you all are. Last year, there were three hundred and 384 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: thirty four million three hundred and forty million prescriptions for antidepressants, 385 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,719 Speaker 2: and no one's ever looked at the brain. I mean, 386 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: you've been on Lexapro how long? 387 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: I mean, fuck man, I was twenty four house in Selexa, 388 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: then went off at first some years, and back on 389 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: Lexapro and off it. 390 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: And on it. So you know, for did anybody look 391 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: at your brain? No? 392 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: No, no, never, It's never even a question. 393 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 2: Think of the arrogance of the medical profession that says, 394 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: I know what's wrong with you, and I'm going to 395 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: give you a medicine that's going to change your brain 396 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: to need it in order for you to feel normal, 397 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: which is why when you went off of it it 398 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 2: was so hard. But we're not going to really talk 399 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: to you about brain health. We're not going to work 400 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: really hard to have you have the healthiest brain possible. 401 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: We're going to put you on something you need, which 402 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: is a great business model. Right. They don't want to 403 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: fix you, they want to addict you, and I'm not 404 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: okay with it. So our mission is to end the 405 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: concept of mental illness by creating a revolution in brain health. 406 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: So if you become really passionate about your brain, you're 407 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: just less likely to need it. Now, if you need it, 408 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: we all just say you and light candles at church 409 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 2: and be grateful for. 410 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: It, right right? Right? Ah? But what brain health? Because 411 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: when you talk about health in general, like you know, 412 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: they're physical, you're working out, you're eating correctly. How does 413 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: one get their brain healthy? How does one start that process? 414 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: You know? So for me it's you should look at 415 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: your book, but not everybody can. But it really is 416 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: three things brain envy. You got to care about it, 417 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 2: avoid things that hurt them, I know the last, and 418 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 2: then do things that help it on a regular basis. 419 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,239 Speaker 2: You know, I've tried to make this as easy as 420 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 2: I can over the years. It's love your brain. And 421 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: it all comes down to this one question, which is 422 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: so insane when I think about it, Is this good 423 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 2: for my brain or bad for it? Whatever you're going 424 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: to do today, fishing, exercise, the sunlight, something you love 425 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: good for your brain. Marijuana bad for your brain, bad 426 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: for your brain, mushrooms probably bad for your brain. It's 427 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 2: the jury's still out. 428 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: I was going to be a question of mine and 429 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: how you feel about all the new psycho Yeah, I 430 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: think it's dangerous. Do you really? 431 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: I do and I feel like I've seen this party 432 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: five times before, like Benzo's or Mommy's Little Helper. They're 433 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 2: innocuous and they help you complete lie. They're addictive and 434 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 2: once you start, Yeah, alcohols a health food, complete crap. 435 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: Vaping is a healthier form of smoking bullshit. Yes, pain 436 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: is the fifth vital sign that you're actually hurting people 437 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 2: if you withhold opiates from them, that's insane. And now 438 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 2: the big innovations in psychiatry for twenty twenty four are marijuana, mushrooms, 439 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: and ketamine. So the straight drugs of the sixties are 440 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: making a comeback. And I'm like, don't you think maybe 441 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 2: we should look at the brain and then the right 442 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 2: supplements and the right food and the right exercises. 443 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but what about the the because again 444 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: there is a there is sort of a ground swell 445 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: that happened in the fifties and sixties and sort of 446 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: got you know, shut down through government defund the grants 447 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: have been shut down and all that. But now there's 448 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: a swell that's happening with psilocybin, with md M A, 449 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: you know, yes, with ketamine, with with DMT ayahuasca. You 450 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: know where they're having these sort of high dose experiences 451 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: that are somewhat curing or helping PTSD, depression, all of 452 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: that stuff. You know, I mean, before. 453 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 2: The like rational things, Let's look at your brain and 454 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 2: make sure you're not actually dealing with traumatic brain injury. Okay, 455 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: think about the soldiers coming back from rack in Afghanistan. 456 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 2: How do you know is it PTSD or is it 457 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 2: really a traumatic brain injury they're dealing with? Giving someone 458 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: psychedelic drugs in the dark, I think, I just think 459 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: it's not it's going to turn out like alcohol and 460 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 2: marijuana turned out and open, and I think we should 461 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 2: be careful. And you go, oh, but there's so much science. 462 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: But if you actually go read the science, because I have, 463 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: it's six hundred and fifty patients, it's not thousands of patients, 464 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 2: and it's generally done by people who were excited about 465 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: getting positive results. And now I have how old are 466 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: your kids? 467 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: Seventeen, fourteen, eleven? 468 00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so my youngest is fourteen, but my daughter Chloe 469 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: just turned twenty one, and she's like, Dad, it's not 470 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: going out for alcohol, it's going out for mushrooms. The 471 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 2: mushrooms are the most common thing. And so if you 472 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 2: listen to the doctors, they'll like, go twenty five milligrams 473 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: under supervision. And that's not what these kids are using. 474 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: They're seeing way more, way more often because and they're going, oh, 475 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: it's good for PTSD, it's good for depression. I'm like, well, 476 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: so's exercise or learning how to not believe every stupid 477 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 2: thing you think. Or one of my favorite therapies for 478 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 2: PTSD is emd R, A specific it's eye movement desensitization. 479 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 2: I love d ARE. I think it's like mushrooms without 480 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 2: side effects. So and I want to be like, you 481 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 2: know because I post on this all the time. Yeah, yeah, 482 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 2: I got all these haters and say, you know, you 483 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,919 Speaker 2: should be you should get high. But when you look 484 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 2: at the brain like I have, yeah, and you you go, 485 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 2: marijuana prematurely ages the brain. I mean, it's just so clear. 486 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 2: I published a study that's the largest imaging study ever 487 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 2: published on sixty two thousand, four hundred and fifty four scans. 488 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 2: Marijuana age the brain worse than alcohol and nicotine. 489 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: But there's would have to be a certain amount, you 490 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean. The intake obviously matters. Like to 491 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: be candidate, I I smoke or eat weed every day 492 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: my life at night now, it's just part of my routine. 493 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: I'm not a daily smoker, like in the middle of 494 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: the day or anything like that. I come home while 495 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: you're a gummy or smoke a half a joint or whatever. Right, 496 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, necessarily partaking so much so that 497 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: it's a real part of my life. It's just sort 498 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: of an end of the day thing, you know. I mean, 499 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: how much is that? How old is my brain? 500 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 2: I'll be worth looking. But I think for you, if 501 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 2: you do it every day, then you're constantly in a 502 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 2: state of withdrawal. And you go, oh, this really helps me. 503 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 2: But how it helps you is it's preventing the withdrawal 504 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 2: from it, and you know if you got rid of it. 505 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 2: So I do a show on Instagram called Scan my Brain. 506 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 2: And one of the people she was using it every 507 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 2: day and she saw her brain and she goes, oh, 508 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 2: I don't like that, and I'm like, no, you shouldn't 509 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 2: like that, and so she stopped and she said she 510 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 2: couldn't believe the amount of energy and clarity she got. 511 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know, but it's actually NBA 512 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 2: players are smoking. 513 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,760 Speaker 1: A lot of pots. Oh yeah, Tona wi yeah. 514 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 2: And they forget stuff and it's it's it's just not good. No. 515 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: No, I so here because I can only base my 516 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,919 Speaker 1: shirt off of me. I have in the last little while, 517 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, I was drinking way too much, honestly, like 518 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: just too many cocktails every day. It just became a 519 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: part of my routine. 520 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 2: You know. 521 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: I did Aliver cleanse, and then I stopped drinking. I 522 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: stopped smoking cigarettes, and I was, you know, three weeks 523 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: and the amount of energy I felt and it was 524 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 1: just I was like buzzing. It was incredible. I guess 525 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: from if you're looking at my brain. The problem that 526 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: I have is when I am clean, I almost feel 527 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: anxious of like what am I going to do? I 528 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: need to have drinks, like I need to smoke my weed. 529 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: I I can't just sit here without a vice. Who 530 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 1: am I without a vice? What do I do? I mean? 531 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: This is what's going through my mind. 532 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 2: You know, maybe that would be a good question to 533 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 2: ask yourself, even though I feel a maybody without advice? 534 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 2: Is that true? And so I was doing Chilean Johnson's 535 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 2: podcast a couple of weeks ago, and I live a 536 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 2: very clean and I do it purpose, Yeah, And she 537 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 2: looked at me and she's like, how can you have 538 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 2: any fun? 539 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: Yes, this is about to ask. 540 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 2: You want to dance on tables? And I just I 541 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 2: stared at her like no, I don't want to dance 542 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 2: on tables, Like no, I don't want to do that. 543 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 2: What I want is energy and memory and clarity and 544 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 2: good decision and good blood flow for my wife. And 545 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 2: I want to make a difference. And I love the 546 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 2: work I do when I love my grandchildren. And it's like, 547 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 2: that's what I want. And you know, and if we 548 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 2: drilled down what you really want, it's probably similar it is. 549 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: It's just scary to exist without it. I just don't know, 550 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: you know, Like, for instance, this is a perfect tam. 551 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm not drinking during the week. I drink on a 552 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: Saturday and that's it right, Today's two. I've got my 553 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 1: all my boys. It's like the holiday. 554 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 2: Dinner, you know. 555 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to drink because I feel good, 556 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: but I'm going to I cannot go to the holiday 557 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: dinner and not have Martiniz with my boys because I 558 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: don't know. This is what I need to get. 559 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 2: This is what I need to get to I did 560 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 2: a program with bj Fogg. He's the professor at Stanford. 561 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 2: He runs the Persuasive Tech Lab, and he and I 562 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 2: worked on a program on how people change and it's 563 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,240 Speaker 2: not the big changes, it's the little changes, the tiny habits. 564 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 2: He wrote a book called Tiny Habits and the tiny 565 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 2: habit is as good for my brain are bad for it. 566 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,240 Speaker 2: And ultimately so a year later after we worked together, 567 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 2: he said, because of you, I wake up one hundred 568 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 2: percent every day. And I'm like, well, thank you. And 569 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 2: he said I stopped drinking because he said, and it 570 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 2: was never a problem, but when I drank, I didn't 571 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 2: wake up one hundred percent. And I'm like, so, what 572 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 2: do you want? And he goes, I want to wake 573 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 2: up one hundred percent every day because life is short. 574 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:24,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, And here's the thing. Life is short. But we're 575 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: all obviously so individual and there's a part of me 576 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,359 Speaker 1: that's like life is short. So yeah, I have those 577 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: one hundred percent moments. But at the same time, fucking 578 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: let's how can you be in Europe and not have 579 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: a great wine and smoke a cigarette? And this is 580 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: how I grew up, you know, my family. It's sort 581 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: of learned behavior as well, but I mean that's part 582 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: of life too. To me, strangely, that indulgence, you know, 583 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,720 Speaker 1: where those memories you're reflecting on are like, oh remember 584 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: that when we drank eight bottles of wine at that 585 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: cafe and smoke two packs of cigarette and it was 586 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: a beautiful moment. 587 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,439 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking what it's doing to your body right 588 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 2: exactly like you said, really worth giving up a couple 589 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 2: of years for those moments? I mean, can't you have 590 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 2: these amazing moments without being messed up? Yes? I just 591 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,439 Speaker 2: And you know a lot of my patients they say, 592 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 2: you know, I don't drink because I'm more interesting when 593 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 2: I drink. I drink to make other people more interesting. 594 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: Well, I honestly think that with with you know, because 595 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, we all have our sensory things, and I 596 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: think visual stimulation is actually helps helps to promote change. 597 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: So when you can see what your brain actually looks like, 598 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: and instead of just being told it's bad for you, 599 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: when you can physically see it, I think that that 600 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: will promote transformation for sure. I guess the question is 601 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: how do you get it out there that everyone can 602 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 1: sort of take a peek at their brain to promote change? 603 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 1: And health and wellness brain wellness pod guess, And I 604 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: do write books, But I'm saying, how can someone see 605 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:35,720 Speaker 1: their brain? 606 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 2: Like is it I want? That's why I have eleven clinics. 607 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 2: So come to one of my clinics. Yeah, look at 608 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 2: your brain and go is it what I want? Right? 609 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,359 Speaker 2: I mean, the ultimate question becomes which brain do you want? 610 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 2: And I remember I saw this really well known person 611 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 2: ten years ago and he was drinking way too much 612 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 2: and ad like this massive wine cellar and so, and 613 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,840 Speaker 2: his brain looked like twenty years older than he was. 614 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 2: And so I made him a poster healthy brain. His brain, 615 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 2: his brain if he got healthy, and his brain if 616 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 2: he kept drinking, And then saw him for a few 617 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 2: months and then lost touch with him, and then he 618 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 2: just came out recently said he's been sober for ten years. 619 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 2: And I'm just so excited for him. Yeah, you know, 620 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 2: because ultimately, which brain do you want? Because your brain 621 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 2: controls everything you do, how you think, how you feel, 622 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 2: how you act, how you get along with other people. 623 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 2: When it works right, you tend to work right, and 624 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 2: when it doesn't, you don't. And so when I saw 625 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 2: my brain nineteen ninety one, I was thirty seven, It 626 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 2: wasn't healthy. 627 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: Were you a drinker? 628 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 2: No, I was never a drinker or smoke, but I 629 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:07,280 Speaker 2: was overway poorly. I didn't sleep well, have bad habits, 630 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 2: and I was under chronic stress. And I didn't like 631 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 2: my brain. And so I think I've developed this whole 632 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 2: program because twenty five years later, my brain's fuller, fat, 633 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 2: or healthier. And that's the goal, to have the healthiest 634 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 2: brain possible, and you can make it better. That's the 635 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 2: exciting news. Yeah, big NFL study when the NFL was 636 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,919 Speaker 2: sort of lying and had a problem with traumatic brain 637 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,760 Speaker 2: injury and football, and I scanned four hundred NFL players. 638 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 2: Eighty percent of them get better when we put them 639 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 2: on a rehabilitation program. 640 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: Really, we don't have a ton of time, and I 641 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: know you got to go, but there's so much to 642 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: fucking talk to you about. It's crazy because I'm so 643 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 1: interested in this, And if you don't mind, I would 644 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: love to give you my mother's email. Guys need to 645 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,720 Speaker 1: hook up. I mean you might become best friends. Honestly, 646 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: she's an amazing woman just generally, you know, and she 647 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: would love you, and I know you would love her. 648 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: So that's number one but number two, when you're talking 649 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: about sort of brain rehabilitation, like how does that work 650 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,879 Speaker 1: and is it specific to the individual's brain on how 651 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: you rehabit. 652 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 2: Well, yes and no. I mean they're basic things everybody 653 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 2: should do and so love your brain, avoid things that 654 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 2: hurt it. Know the list we've talked about a couple 655 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 2: of them. Yeah, and then do things that help it, 656 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,920 Speaker 2: which you're already doing some of them like running and fishing, 657 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 2: new learning. There's a whole set of labs I think 658 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 2: everybody should get. And certain supplements multiple vitamin fish oil, 659 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 2: optimize vitamin D. Huge fan of hyperbaric oxygen therapy. I'm 660 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 2: actually in Justin Bieber's documentary called Seasons, and he slept 661 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 2: in his chamber not necessary, but I have his brain 662 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 2: in January and then in August of that year, maadically better. Wow, 663 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 2: so excited. 664 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: And did he feel I mean he could feel it. 665 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 1: You can see it and feel it. 666 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 2: He could see it and you know, yeah, but you 667 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 2: have to sort of keep it up. Yeah. 668 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 1: Well, let me ask your question. If you have your 669 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: brain and you're rehabbing your brain, and you were on 670 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,239 Speaker 1: the right track, but then you have a night and 671 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,400 Speaker 1: you and you get drunk and you have a hangover. 672 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 1: Is that how much does that set it set you back? 673 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: You know from an imaging standpoint or a physical standpoint. 674 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 2: Well, you know, if you're doing that less and less 675 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 2: over time, your brain's gonna start getting better. But you know, 676 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 2: like Mike Tyson just got in the ring, I'm like, 677 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 2: that's bad for your way. 678 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not good. 679 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 2: Every once in a while to just go, let's hurt it. 680 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,240 Speaker 2: And the more you love yourself, those times just become 681 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 2: less and less. Yeah, until they go, Oh, I want 682 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,879 Speaker 2: to wake up one hundred percent tomorrow. So why would 683 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 2: I do that tonight unless you're just giving in to 684 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 2: the habit of the moment. 685 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I'm used to. 686 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 2: It's the holiday. So I have this whole group of 687 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 2: my friends where we have this program of what are 688 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 2: the healthiest things we can do this holiday season? So 689 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 2: rather than the excuse I got to go to the 690 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 2: holiday party and you have to get. 691 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,120 Speaker 1: Drunk, rise on its head. 692 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,319 Speaker 2: Well, what's the healthiest thing I can do? We're really 693 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 2: going to celebrate the birth of the maybe Jesus by 694 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 2: getting into a rude I mean it's sort of I 695 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 2: don't right, it's dead right, it's oh, I have memories 696 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 2: of this is what we do. 697 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: Mm hm. 698 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 2: So, but you could make new memories every day you 699 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 2: are modeling health or your modeling illness for the people 700 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 2: you care about. 701 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,120 Speaker 1: Well, I just love everything that you're saying because there's 702 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: so many different sort of avenues to all of this. Yes, 703 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: there's a physical side, but there's also the meditative side. 704 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: There's also the you know, the sort of fake you 705 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,160 Speaker 1: make it thing where you can actually change the neuropathways, 706 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,840 Speaker 1: the way that your brain looks through meditation, through positive thinking, 707 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 1: and in sort of reading a little bit about you. 708 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: I wake up every morning and it's funny that you 709 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: wrote this because I didn't know that this was even 710 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,080 Speaker 1: a thing. And I understand that of course, positive of 711 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 1: affirmation is good. But I wake up every morning I said, 712 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,320 Speaker 1: this is gonna be the best fucking day. Well I 713 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,680 Speaker 1: just I just say it. You know, this is gonna 714 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: be a great day. And I read I was like, 715 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,840 Speaker 1: oh my god, the doctor's saying the same thing. This 716 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 1: is how I try to I try to create that 717 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,840 Speaker 1: space for myself, even though it's sometimes it's not the 718 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:19,359 Speaker 1: best day. 719 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 2: But you know, but you're taking a leadership role in 720 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 2: your emotions, and you don't want to abdicate. You don't 721 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 2: want marijuana to be the chief operating officer. It's like, 722 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:42,440 Speaker 2: you want to have the leadership role. I do things 723 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 2: to make myself healthier. I've got such a joy talking to. 724 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, this was really fun, buddy. I appreciate it. Thank 725 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 1: you so much. Okay, take care, all right, take care. Yeah, 726 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,920 Speaker 1: that's something I could just go on and on and 727 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,400 Speaker 1: on and on about. You know, I love I love 728 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,720 Speaker 1: when he cut off. He's like, dude, He's like, all right, Oliver, 729 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:04,880 Speaker 1: shut the fuck up. 730 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,319 Speaker 2: I gotta get the fuck out of. 731 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: Here because I just can't stop. That's okay. I got 732 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,240 Speaker 1: put in my place by the doctor and that's fine. 733 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,399 Speaker 1: But guess what he just did. He made my brain 734 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,719 Speaker 1: go on the fritz. So essentially he has aged me 735 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,840 Speaker 1: about a year with cut it with with wanting to 736 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,759 Speaker 1: get off the He wanted to get off the podcast, 737 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: which then triggered my insecurity that I'm not good enough, 738 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 1: and then my brain sort of went haywire. And now 739 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 1: I'm masking it with self deprecation and humor, which is 740 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: a vicious cycle. So Doc, if you listen to this, 741 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 1: I love you, and I would love to come to 742 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,400 Speaker 1: your clinic, and I think I should get a discount 743 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,920 Speaker 1: because of how you have just set me back a 744 00:51:54,040 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: year with that rejection. Anyway, that was amazing. God man, 745 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:08,520 Speaker 1: it's so many things. It's amazing, inspirational and then depressing, 746 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,279 Speaker 1: you know, because we all like to indulge, you know 747 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,840 Speaker 1: what I mean. You gotta live an eighty twenty life, 748 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,759 Speaker 1: you know, if what makes you happy is that pure 749 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,959 Speaker 1: clarity and that pure health and amazing, and I would, 750 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,000 Speaker 1: but at the same time, like, how do I not 751 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: go to Europe and drink wine? How do I not 752 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 1: go to a holiday party with my boys right now 753 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:32,840 Speaker 1: and have a couple of martinis? 754 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:34,239 Speaker 2: You know? 755 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,720 Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, I'm leaving enough of this peace