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Speaker 1: And today you know, it's just me Mark, little brother

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Speaker 1: the WASP. I am here holding it down, Big Brother,

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Speaker 1: But today I want to talk about words. You know,

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Speaker 1: great word cannabis, but it has been demonized through the years,

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Speaker 1: through the decades, it has been demonized by other words,

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Speaker 1: slang words. We talked about a guy named Harry and

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Speaker 1: throw it around my brother, is the worst weed? This weed,

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Speaker 1: that weed, weed, weed, weed, weed, wheat. It's cannabis, cannabis.

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Speaker 1: Why during my segments of when cannabis goes bad, if

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Speaker 1: you haven't noticed, I'll use the word cannabis all over

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Speaker 1: the place because I replaced the word marijuana, marajuana, the

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Speaker 1: Why would you even want to ruin it with something else, cannabis?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's just bliss. It's bliss. It's cannabis. Cannabis.

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Speaker 1: I am Mark Wasserman here by myself today because my

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