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Speaker 1: It is the Monday after a twenty seven point outing
Speaker 1: from your offense, but a thirty point outing from your defense.
Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys fall to the Carolina Panthers thirty to
Speaker 1: twenty seven in Week six of the NFL season. Welcome
Speaker 1: into Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company, the
Speaker 1: official coffee of the Dallas Cowboy. We're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 1: What happened on the East Coast. Both of these guys
Speaker 1: were there, Patrick no Cy Walker, Tommy Yarsh, We've got
Speaker 1: Chris beat in the back.
Speaker 2: He was there as well. I'm Kyle Yeoman.
Speaker 1: So glad you're with us, and thank you for tuning
Speaker 1: in the Monday after because I know it's always frustrating
Speaker 1: following the Cowboys loss to listen to Cowboys content. I
Speaker 1: understand I'm a born and raised Cowboys fan. I grew
Speaker 1: up cheering for this team, and when they lose, I
Speaker 1: am in a worse mood.
Speaker 4: That's just plain and simple things.
Speaker 1: You can ask my family. You can ask my parents,
Speaker 1: my wife. You can't ask my kids yet because they
Speaker 1: can't tell you, but at some point they will. They're aware,
Speaker 1: they are aware, and this was just another of two
Speaker 1: straight losses. Let's just say that the last two losses
Speaker 1: have been in the embarrassing category, and this is a
Speaker 1: second one. In that case, nothing against the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 1: Their game plan was there, their execution was there. All
Speaker 1: the flowers in the world. Rico Dwell he stood on business,
Speaker 1: and I commend him for doing that. A team that
Speaker 1: did not stand on business is currently here.
Speaker 2: In Dallas and their nickname is the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: So with all that being said, Patrick, I'll open the
Speaker 1: floor to you, Cowboys fall thirty to twenty seven, your
Speaker 1: thoughts from being there on site at Bank of America Stadium.
Speaker 4: You know, Beemer.
Speaker 3: We might as well just title this this episode wasted. Wasted.
Speaker 3: You had a career record center GTA, Yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: So when you play GTA. For those that don't know
Speaker 3: grand theft auto. When you meet your demise, what pops
Speaker 3: up on the screen is wasted. Appreciate That's exactly the
Speaker 3: vibes right now, exactly the vibes. You wasted a career
Speaker 3: record setting performance from George Pickens. He now has six
Speaker 3: touchdowns through the first six games, first NFL player in
Speaker 3: a Cowboys uniform to do that since the merger who
Speaker 3: was not named Daz Briant. You wasted Hunter Lipke's first
Speaker 3: career touchdown. You wasted contributions from Jake Ferguson and Ryan Flanoy.
Speaker 3: You wasted a three touchdown zero interception effort from Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3: You wasted an opportunity to go for go ahead touchdown
Speaker 3: with two passes behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4: We will get to that later. You wasted an opportunity
Speaker 4: on fourth.
Speaker 3: And four to get the ball back for a mulligain
Speaker 3: on your offensive side and a possible game winning drive.
Speaker 3: You wasted a chance to gain ground on the Eagles
Speaker 3: in the division after they lost to the New York Giants.
Speaker 3: You made everyone want to go home and pull a
Speaker 3: full Gucci man and get wasted.
Speaker 5: Ah.
Speaker 3: So, however you slice it, that is the vibes today.
Speaker 3: Yesterday's game was one the Cowboys should have won, and
Speaker 3: should have won handily, but they constantly allowed the Panthers
Speaker 3: to hang around, and in doing so, they ended up
Speaker 3: with the l defense outside of the Donovan Wilson interception
Speaker 3: and the twenty one yard return.
Speaker 4: That was the highlight of the day for the defense.
Speaker 4: You need it more.
Speaker 3: They couldn't stop the run. You said, Rico, he stood
Speaker 3: on business. Cowboys were unbuckled. Hmmm, completely. They did not
Speaker 3: buckle up.
Speaker 4: They did not buckle up. Rico had a day.
Speaker 3: Now he is now the first NFL player that has
Speaker 3: gone that went undrafted in the history of the league
Speaker 3: to have back to back two hundred plus scrimmage yards games.
Speaker 3: So the Cowboys will forever be tied to Rico Dawdle
Speaker 3: in the history books.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, wasted, just like GTA five and just like
Speaker 3: when GTA six drops wasted.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, you guys mentioned that you're both Cowboys fans.
Speaker 7: I'm the only one at this table that's not a
Speaker 7: Cowboys fan.
Speaker 8: I don't really root for anybody. I just cover the sports. Yeah,
Speaker 8: it's for me to be impartial.
Speaker 2: That was bad.
Speaker 8: That was very bad. I mean, I think Patrick hit
Speaker 8: the nail on the head for most of it. You know, you.
Speaker 7: Essentially, what we figured out about this team six games
Speaker 7: into the season is if their offense does not play
Speaker 7: perfect football and score on just about every possession, they're
Speaker 7: going to lose. And that is wildly unfair to Dak
Speaker 7: Prescott and Brian Schottenheimer and everybody who was trying to
Speaker 7: move the ball downfield offensively. Now, I'll say this to
Speaker 7: the offense did not help themselves by not establishing the
Speaker 7: run game. They were very poor in that, and I
Speaker 7: think it started up front. I think Javonte Williams had
Speaker 7: a couple of plays that he didn't exactly read very
Speaker 7: well and shot the wrong gaps. But you got a
Speaker 7: credit Carolina their defensive front, Derek Brown. Those guys did
Speaker 7: a really good job of nullifying a lot that Dallas
Speaker 7: was trying to do. They one thing they'd done really
Speaker 7: well is having their guards pull and move, and they
Speaker 7: just took it out of the equation and they filled
Speaker 7: where they needed to be and they did a really
Speaker 7: good job against that.
Speaker 8: So it was difficult.
Speaker 7: And then obviously, you know, defensively, I mean, Bryce Young
Speaker 7: is just having a field day and Rico Dowdell's having
Speaker 7: a field There have been three players three times this
Speaker 7: year where a player has gone for over two hundred
Speaker 7: scrimmage yards in a game, and two of them are
Speaker 7: from Rico.
Speaker 8: Down in the last two weeks. So props to Rico.
Speaker 8: I always enjoyed Rico when he was here. Happy for him.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's that's super super cool to see him,
Speaker 7: you know, do that after I think very evidently by
Speaker 7: his comments last weekend this week, I think that he's
Speaker 7: you know, he felt disrespected when the Cowboys said, hey,
Speaker 7: we we maybe like this Drafonte Williams guy over you.
Speaker 7: Was that the right decision? I guess we can we
Speaker 7: can talk in retrospect. I think Davonte Williams has been
Speaker 7: a really good player for this team. I just think
Speaker 7: he didn't have a great game. But you know, you
Speaker 7: look at the NFL leading rushers and man, how fast
Speaker 7: did Rico Dowdell jump up jumps quick to the to
Speaker 7: the front of the line there.
Speaker 8: Let me, I'm trying to see exactly how long, but uh,
Speaker 8: you know, he's.
Speaker 7: Already third now by he's four yards by Javonte Williams
Speaker 7: and he's played like three games.
Speaker 8: So Gretto Rico, he's.
Speaker 7: Playing really well and Carolina is a team that was
Speaker 7: in need of a win like that. But man, you
Speaker 7: think about how wildly different the outlook for this season
Speaker 7: would be if they come out of this game of
Speaker 7: the win. They're setting at three to two and one,
Speaker 7: and they've got Washington coming up next week. If if
Speaker 7: they were able to win that game, then not only
Speaker 7: do you get to four wins early, but you get
Speaker 7: a foothold, not a foothold really, but a stronger stance
Speaker 7: in the division. With the Eagles loss to the Giants,
Speaker 7: like you mentioned, so this is a game that they
Speaker 7: needed to win. I mean every game he needed to
Speaker 7: win in the NFL. But this is a league that
Speaker 7: may have the most parody that this league has had
Speaker 7: in a long time. You look across the board and
Speaker 7: Dak Prescott was talking about it.
Speaker 8: Ever of the game.
Speaker 7: Any given Sunday, any team can beat another team, and
Speaker 7: it's it's what makes this game super fun. But for
Speaker 7: Cowboys fans, it's understandable to watch a lot of what
Speaker 7: happened yesterday and say, man, you.
Speaker 8: Just can't, you can't let some of this happen.
Speaker 1: It also makes this game extremely frustrating, and that's why
Speaker 1: Patrick's holding up a sign that says this is why
Speaker 1: my other sign exists talking about the one that says
Speaker 1: this does not imply that the Cowboys will win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. All of that being said, I think you
Speaker 1: pointed it out great. Dallas did not establish a run,
Speaker 1: so it's not all on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: I thought Ashawn Robinson dominated the offensive line.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: Derek Brown dominated the offensive line. We kind of expected
Speaker 1: Brown to do so, but Robinson was a little bit
Speaker 1: of a shock. The offensive line gets two of their
Speaker 1: starters back, Tyler Guyton, Tyler Smith. The left side of
Speaker 1: the offensive line is whole again, and you feel very
Speaker 1: confident in doing so.
Speaker 2: They didn't have a great game. They did not play well.
Speaker 1: The offensive line struggled to set the ground game initially,
Speaker 1: and it also struggled.
Speaker 2: The block for Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: Dak had to escape a couple different times to allow
Speaker 1: plays to develop. I mean, I thought, I mean there
Speaker 1: was a couple of times in the first half, especially
Speaker 1: where Dak rolled out of the pocket. I said, my goodness,
Speaker 1: like that pocket collapsed quick, yep, and he was able
Speaker 1: to still make a play. Dak is playing extremely good football,
Speaker 1: extremely good. I don't want to put a tag on
Speaker 1: at the MVP caliber stuff. We'll talk about that as
Speaker 1: we keep going. But to harp on that every week
Speaker 1: is one thing, But to just say you're playing good football.
Speaker 6: He is.
Speaker 1: He's playing tremendous football, and for him not to have
Speaker 1: a winning record at this point in the season is
Speaker 1: extremely disheartening.
Speaker 3: We'll give you some stats that back that 'll wasted, okay,
Speaker 3: since starts were first treck This is via Todd Archers
Speaker 3: Shots Talk. Since starts were first trecked in nineteen fifty,
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott is the first quarterback to have eleven or
Speaker 3: more total touchdowns with zero turnovers and a non winning
Speaker 3: record over a three start span. M GB not great, Bob,
Speaker 3: don't give you one more. Dak Prescott in his last
Speaker 3: three games seventy four to one oh three, seventy two
Speaker 3: completion percentage, eight hundred and seventeen passing yards, ten touchdown,
Speaker 3: ten passing touchdowns, with one rushing touchdown, no interceptions. Dallas
Speaker 3: has scored one hundred and four points in those three games.
Speaker 3: They won, one lost, one tied one defense. What the
Speaker 3: hell are you doing out there? Hell are you doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a frustrating scenario. Like I said, though,
Speaker 1: it's not all on the defense. The offense did not.
Speaker 2: Play well from it, not all round games from the
Speaker 2: offensive line.
Speaker 4: It's on the coaching as well. With that.
Speaker 3: As much as we love shot, he's play calling. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that last offensive position, it was bad.
Speaker 8: Terrible, it was bad.
Speaker 4: To stop it.
Speaker 1: The I want to talk about the defense though, because
Speaker 1: as much as I want to harp that the passing
Speaker 1: game was working, George Pickens was great, Jake Ferguson made
Speaker 1: an impact. Again, you still don't have Cede Lamb or
Speaker 1: Cavante Turpin and you were still able to move the
Speaker 1: ball through the air. The ground game, we talked about
Speaker 1: it defensively. Where do you point your finger? Where do
Speaker 1: you point it right now? If you're the defense, because
Speaker 1: I still hang my hat on. You've got to finish pressures.
Speaker 1: You got to get some level of pass rush. Dallas
Speaker 1: had zero pass rush against the Carolina Panthers offensive line.
Speaker 1: Let me say that again. The Cowboys had zero pass
Speaker 1: rush against the Carolina Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2: They were offensive line zero.
Speaker 1: I mean, they did not play well at all on
Speaker 1: the edge last yesterday.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll see your question, Kyle, and I'll ask you
Speaker 3: a better question follow up, not at quow not a
Speaker 3: better question. Wrong, I'll ask you and to add on
Speaker 3: question because that was a phenomenal question.
Speaker 4: Where is the blame not placed.
Speaker 3: On the defensive side of the ball because they couldn't
Speaker 3: get the pass rush. Yeah, they couldn't stop the run.
Speaker 3: Your linebackers played very poorly. Yeah, they did play bad. Okay,
Speaker 3: and your secondary when you look at your safety. So
Speaker 3: it was such a mercurial game for Donovan Wilson. You
Speaker 3: get the interception in the twenty one yard return, which
Speaker 3: then sets up Dak Prescott in the offense to put
Speaker 3: points on the board, but not long thereafter, your eyes
Speaker 3: get caught in the backfield. You had one assignment, which
Speaker 3: was Teed McMillan on that particular play in the red zone,
Speaker 3: and you let Teed McMillan get behind you. You peeled
Speaker 3: off because you thought there was pressure on Bryce Young.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if there was pressure back there or not.
Speaker 3: That's not your responsibility to keep your eyes out of
Speaker 3: the backfield.
Speaker 4: But that goes to what you myself, Josh and Isaiah
Speaker 4: have said.
Speaker 1: You're talking about when Donovan sank down. When he sank down, See,
Speaker 1: I thought he was looking at that that over. I
Speaker 1: felt like he was because because Ted McMillan or T
Speaker 1: mack or whatever he wants to be called, took a
Speaker 1: quick burst inside and then he went right back outside,
Speaker 1: put a foot in the ground, and he changed directions,
Speaker 1: and it just went.
Speaker 4: We'll go back and look at it. Either way it was.
Speaker 3: I thought he was sinking on that en route, sinking
Speaker 3: or eyes in them. Either way, either way, don't peel
Speaker 3: off tip. But you're not supposed to bite if you're
Speaker 3: the two high safety. I mean, it was a two
Speaker 3: high safety shell. And if you're not gonna go down,
Speaker 3: or if you're not gonna if you're not going to
Speaker 3: have help underneath, you leave it there so that way
Speaker 3: you can go and pursue and.
Speaker 2: Make a tackle. As a turning back around and trying to.
Speaker 3: Cover goes back to the to talking Cowboys. His main
Speaker 3: point when it comes to Donovan Wilson is that utilization.
Speaker 3: His utilization is not the fit is not there. You're
Speaker 3: asking him to cover, but he's eternally going to want
Speaker 3: to crash down eternally that was a perfect example of that.
Speaker 3: So that's example of the secondary lack of pass rush
Speaker 3: ted McMillan's second touchdown of the day, Sam Williams have
Speaker 3: Bryce Young, Dad, the rights take you take Bryce Young
Speaker 3: down on that play. It's no touchdown, but you didn't
Speaker 3: he side step. He steps into a throw tech McMillan
Speaker 3: back of the end zone wide open again. So, Cal
Speaker 3: you make a great point with the question where's you know?
Speaker 3: Where do you blame what he plays? To blame on defense?
Speaker 3: My answer is yes, you placed it on all three phases,
Speaker 3: all three levels.
Speaker 7: I should say, I think you're right, But in my opinion,
Speaker 7: this is a football in general. Any level is a
Speaker 7: line of scrimmage game. If you can't win it the
Speaker 7: line of scrimmage, more often than not, you are going
Speaker 7: to lose. Yeah, that's what the Cowboys are doing right now.
Speaker 8: In the run game.
Speaker 7: The last coming into this week, they were third. They
Speaker 7: gave it the third and most rushing yards in the
Speaker 7: league in weeks four and week five, and then they
Speaker 7: do what they did against ric o' dawdle, And you
Speaker 7: know the in this game, they only had two run
Speaker 7: stuffs all game, and one of them was from Reddy Stewart.
Speaker 7: If your nigkel corner has half of your run stuffs
Speaker 7: in a game, that's not good.
Speaker 8: That's not good. It's not good.
Speaker 7: And Solomon Thomas had the other one. So you know,
Speaker 7: this is a This is a team that has really
Speaker 7: really struggled the last couple of weeks after I thought
Speaker 7: they were okay to start. They weren't great, but they
Speaker 7: were okay considering what they've been in the past. You
Speaker 7: take okay over bad any day of the week, and
Speaker 7: they've kind of reverted back to okay. They're just not
Speaker 7: really not really playing the run very well.
Speaker 8: And so you start with that.
Speaker 7: And if you can't stop the run in today's NFL,
Speaker 7: it's already difficult enough because then that opens up the
Speaker 7: play action game and guys have all day to throw.
Speaker 7: And why do they have all day to throw? Because
Speaker 7: you don't have a pass rush. You don't have a
Speaker 7: pass rush. And you know, I've seen all this talk
Speaker 7: on Twitter of oh, well, if they had Michael Parsons,
Speaker 7: then you know they this would be a much better defense.
Speaker 8: I really don't think it would be. I don't think
Speaker 8: it would.
Speaker 7: They have a better pass rush, absolutely, and does that
Speaker 7: fix some of the problems. It doesn't matter if Freakodal
Speaker 7: is going to run for two hundred yards on you.
Speaker 8: It doesn't. It just doesn't.
Speaker 7: So you know, there is blame across the board defensively,
Speaker 7: but I think it starts up front on the defensive line,
Speaker 7: because if you can't stop the run and you can't
Speaker 7: get pressure on a quarterback, it doesn't matter if you're
Speaker 7: playing Bryce Young or whoever the quarterback is at South
Speaker 7: Lake Carol.
Speaker 2: He's pretty good quarterback.
Speaker 8: They're undfeet Is he really there?
Speaker 7: You go shout to Riley Dodge because that's on hundred
Speaker 7: wins coach that that they're just going to have a
Speaker 7: field day on you, and it's it's exactly what happens,
Speaker 7: and this happened in this game. And then well you say, okay,
Speaker 7: well then let's look back at the Jets.
Speaker 8: Why did why did that work?
Speaker 7: Well, they didn't stop the run particularly well, but they
Speaker 7: had a pass Rudd.
Speaker 8: Those sacks, they had five sacks and they had one
Speaker 8: sack on bra I don't know.
Speaker 3: The utilization piece is just going to bug me to
Speaker 3: death because Donald is one thing. And that's why I'm
Speaker 3: not placing it all on Donald he's got it. He's
Speaker 3: got to stick to his assignment. So I do place
Speaker 3: portion of that on him, but again misutilization, But then
Speaker 3: sometimes that's fair and he's got to learn if he's
Speaker 3: going to Half of it is on him, absolutely. The
Speaker 3: other half is on eber Flus. Another thing that's they's
Speaker 3: blame to go around right, Another thing that's Onlu when
Speaker 3: it comes to utilization. Look at the fourth and four
Speaker 3: which ended up being the nail in the coffin the
Speaker 3: fourth and four throw by Bryce Yield. Yeah, so at
Speaker 3: initially when you look at the steel photo pre snap,
Speaker 3: you're going to get pissed off because you're going to say,
Speaker 3: why the hell is your all pro cornerback who's proven
Speaker 3: that he can be physical because he came into the
Speaker 3: league and he played nickel for you ten twelve, one
Speaker 3: million yards back of Hunter renfro.
Speaker 4: So that's the stillest.
Speaker 1: If you're going to the sticks, you're going to the sticks,
Speaker 1: and here's talk talk.
Speaker 2: I've got I've got a text thread and talk to him, Barry.
Speaker 2: I know what would be fine with me? Yeah, we'd
Speaker 2: be fine.
Speaker 1: I sent him a couple of those screenshots from last night,
Speaker 1: and this was after postgame. So we had talked about
Speaker 1: it on post game and then I sent him some
Speaker 1: more stuff. Barry said the play him meant. There was
Speaker 1: debate on Twitter. Let's back it up. There's debate on
Speaker 1: Twitter whether it was Kenneth Murray at fault because he
Speaker 1: didn't get over in time.
Speaker 4: To cover Murray taken after year of.
Speaker 1: The field, Murray was trying to get over to get
Speaker 1: there instead of the blame being on Dron Bland. Darron
Speaker 1: Bland had outside leverage prior to the snap. When we
Speaker 1: were watching the game, Isaiah Stanback, who's not on the
Speaker 1: show today, said why are you playing outside leverage on
Speaker 1: fourth and four? Why are you playing outside leverage on
Speaker 1: fourth and fourth? Why are you playing outside leverage with
Speaker 1: cover zero on fourth and fourth. This was prior to
Speaker 1: the snap, so before the snap even happened. A former
Speaker 1: quarterback who was on Good Morning Football this morning was
Speaker 1: looking at that play and saying, that's where the ball
Speaker 1: should go because that's where the disadvantages for a guy
Speaker 1: like darn Blaine.
Speaker 2: And that was before he backed out. Then he backed down.
Speaker 2: He said, why are you backing up? Why are you
Speaker 2: backing up?
Speaker 1: And then Barry Church chimed in and I asked him
Speaker 1: after the fact. I was like, do you think Murray
Speaker 1: was at fault or do you think Bland was at fault?
Speaker 1: And he said he may have been told to play
Speaker 1: back de Ron Bland because the play was coming to him,
Speaker 1: and or because Murray was coming over to him, but
Speaker 1: not ten yards deep. On fourth down and four, he said,
Speaker 1: at the worst, his heels should be at the sticks.
Speaker 1: Talking about de Ron blaant, you should not be eight
Speaker 1: to ten yards back behind the line of scrimmage, if
Speaker 1: even if you are getting help from Kenneth Murray. So
Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray did his best. He took a step and
Speaker 1: tried to get that direction and almost broke the bats up.
Speaker 1: He was about a foot and a half away. But
Speaker 1: to blame Kenneth Murray, there is one thing to say,
Speaker 1: Deron Bland. It has no blame for playing eight to
Speaker 1: ten yards off the line of scrimmage. A former safety says,
Speaker 1: your heels got to be at the sticks because it's
Speaker 1: the sticks that's where they're trying to go.
Speaker 4: I think that get there that play.
Speaker 3: Everything you described is a microcosm of what's wrong with
Speaker 3: the Cowboys defense right now and the answer is, is
Speaker 3: everything right? You little's little details of everything. So if
Speaker 3: you're criticizing Eberflus for that, and you should be, you're
Speaker 3: asking why in the world is Deron Bland plane eight
Speaker 3: to ten yards off and backing out? Now I get
Speaker 3: the play scheme. Your goal was an overunder with Murray
Speaker 3: having the under. But then again, like you said, Deron,
Speaker 3: why'd you back up even more? Yeah, that that shouldn't
Speaker 3: have happened. But if you're gonna back up, then back up,
Speaker 3: and then look at Kenneth Murray on the play he
Speaker 3: was he was cheating a little bit too hard to
Speaker 3: the left, to the left down.
Speaker 4: So if you are the.
Speaker 3: Under in the over under and you see Deron Bland,
Speaker 3: you know Deron Bland is back and then backing up,
Speaker 3: you should shade in that direction. And if you shade
Speaker 3: in that direction, you probably get that PBu maybe. So
Speaker 3: then the question is did you overestimate your speed in
Speaker 3: that situation thinking that I can shade left and still
Speaker 3: make it back over here as well? The overestimation didn't
Speaker 3: work out in your favor. So I place equal parts
Speaker 3: blame on Fluse four not putting Duran up front and
Speaker 3: just letting him physic get physical with Hunter Renfro, you know,
Speaker 3: try to disrupt that timing. And at the same time,
Speaker 3: Kenneth Murray, you've got you got to get to that ball.
Speaker 3: Don't don't shade to the left when you see that
Speaker 3: the spacing is on. You know what's going on on
Speaker 3: the right hand side. So and then what happens, no
Speaker 3: pass rush ball game.
Speaker 8: And you know, just to put a bow on that
Speaker 8: last play on fourth down.
Speaker 7: When you watch it, Kenneth Murray hesitates for half a
Speaker 7: second when he's reading Bryce Young's eyes and then he
Speaker 7: breaks to try and break that pass up.
Speaker 8: That was the difference.
Speaker 7: And look, Kenneth Murray, it's a tough position to be
Speaker 7: in because it is his assignment to step into the
Speaker 7: middle of the field. And when Deron Bland is playing,
Speaker 7: as Patrick said, a million yards off the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 7: you're almost begging the offense to throw a quick slant
Speaker 7: there right That ball's getting out quick and you're just
Speaker 7: trying to get him because he's got that cushion because
Speaker 7: the linebackers playing on the opposite side of where he's
Speaker 7: lined up, so he's got a cross. Essentially, the entire
Speaker 7: middle of the field, hash to hash in order to
Speaker 7: get there. If it's oh man, I don't anybody in
Speaker 7: Kenneth Murray's plays, any linebacker on this team, No one's
Speaker 7: getting there. They don't have the personnel where they can
Speaker 7: rely on somebody to cross the field and that much time.
Speaker 8: Unless debarve on Over was.
Speaker 2: Going to there's one he's not on the acting. He's
Speaker 2: got to be one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: He's got to be one hundred percent and he's still
Speaker 7: probably got to get his arm out and dive to
Speaker 7: break up that pass because that got out quick.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but he's still got to get there pretty damp.
Speaker 7: So it's it's disappointing because you know that that's a
Speaker 7: play where it should be there, and you know you wonder, Okay,
Speaker 7: if Bland lines up a little bit closer, can he
Speaker 7: get over and try to knock something away. Well, then
Speaker 7: you risk the pass interference part of it, and they
Speaker 7: were throwing quite a bit of passing reference penalties out yesterday.
Speaker 7: So yeah, maybe maybe we can get some explanation later
Speaker 7: on on that play. But it looks like that's one
Speaker 7: where there's once again flames spread across the board because
Speaker 7: guys are.
Speaker 8: Not putting in his position to succeed.
Speaker 7: And it goes back to here Donovan Wilson talk. I
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Speaker 7: succeed a lot because they're asking him to cover more
Speaker 7: often than not. Donovan Wilson should not have as many
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Speaker 7: But this is a guy.
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Speaker 7: And so it's there's a lot of guys who are
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Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Back with Patrick No, there's a lot.
Speaker 1: I got you, Tommy Arrish, Chris Beam in the back
Speaker 1: of Kyle Yeomans. This is kind of interesting. You know
Speaker 1: how like YouTube does their like auto like they do
Speaker 1: their AI chat summary. Yeah, first pop on I've never
Speaker 1: seen it before, and it drops down and it says,
Speaker 1: like what the.
Speaker 2: Chat is talking about.
Speaker 1: I happen to like catch up glimpse of it, and
Speaker 1: I took a screenshot of it.
Speaker 2: This is kind of funny.
Speaker 1: It just completely summarized Cowboys social media over the last
Speaker 1: twenty four hours in one AI blurb, the entire state
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys fan base on social media has been
Speaker 1: completely summarized. This is the chat summary from YouTube. Viewers
Speaker 1: in the chat are expressing disappointment with the Cowboys performers,
Speaker 1: particularly the defense, with some calling for the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: to be fired. Some viewers are blaming Dak, while others
Speaker 1: defend him, and some are mentioning Jerry Jones.
Speaker 8: It'd summarize the last like three years too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it very well could be, especially without naming the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator position. It could certainly be the case. But yeah,
Speaker 1: good job AI YouTube chat summaries.
Speaker 2: That's kind of interesting. How you just summed it all up.
Speaker 1: But there has been a lot of talk about what
Speaker 1: to do next on the defensive side of the football.
Speaker 1: Is there need for a change when it comes to
Speaker 1: the coordinator position this early in the season. Remember we're
Speaker 1: six games in, We're a third of the way through.
Speaker 1: Is there a change for personnel? Do you make a trade?
Speaker 1: Do you go and get something from wherever you can?
Speaker 1: Is this team close enough to do either one of
Speaker 1: those things? And so do you write it out and
Speaker 1: just hope it gets better with injuries and guys that
Speaker 1: are returning from injury. That being the case, there's options
Speaker 1: here for the Dallas Cowboys. Where would you start if
Speaker 1: you were in the GM shoes?
Speaker 3: Patrick noci Walk putn't my gmcap one first and foremost.
Speaker 3: I am absolutely entertaining a trade of some Just to
Speaker 3: remind everyone, we're not permitted to say names of players
Speaker 3: that cannot actually obligate it to other teams because it's fewed,
Speaker 3: it's tampering. But I would absolutely go in trade. You're
Speaker 3: two three and one right now. Is the season completely lost?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 3: But it's on the verge of it. It's like we
Speaker 3: were talking about before we went hot on the first segment.
Speaker 3: You're on the verge of it. You drop this game
Speaker 3: to the commanders, who knows what happened happens against the Broncos.
Speaker 3: So now is the time if you're going to make
Speaker 3: a change to the personnel, because as it stands, your returnees,
Speaker 3: notwithstanding which Demo is a he's like the warhead they're
Speaker 3: hoping returns here soon, and he will return soon. We'll
Speaker 3: see if that's early mid November, which is my prediction,
Speaker 3: but that's just me. So, yeah, you get the warhead back,
Speaker 3: but you know, does he need some grace to get
Speaker 3: back to one hundred percent to be able to make
Speaker 3: the play that Murray was unable to make in that situation.
Speaker 4: We'll see.
Speaker 3: But you can't solely depend on DeMar Fion Overshown coming
Speaker 3: back from injured reserve. So for me, I'm going to
Speaker 3: make a trade. That's my GM CAP personnel changes. You
Speaker 3: made a personnel change yesterday that I floated on the
Speaker 3: show two or three weeks ago when Deron Blank came back.
Speaker 3: You made that change. Trevon Diggs is on the outside,
Speaker 3: Darn Bland is on the outside. Ready Stewart is at
Speaker 3: your nickel, yep. So you granted me that. Thank you
Speaker 3: didn't much help yesterday, but you know you granted me that.
Speaker 3: From the defensive interior, you brought in Kenny Clark, you
Speaker 3: sat Mazie again, so you're figuring things out.
Speaker 2: Kenny Clark had his worst game of he did.
Speaker 4: The defensive interior didn't have a great game.
Speaker 2: You didn't play well.
Speaker 4: Gass rushers didn't have a great game.
Speaker 1: The one part of this defense that all season long
Speaker 1: Weight said was consistent and better than everybody else ended
Speaker 1: up having their worst.
Speaker 3: And you know, I hate to say this, but this
Speaker 3: is where we are, man, And I'm laughing while I'm
Speaker 3: about to say it, And the chat's going to go
Speaker 3: crazy when I say it, because so not only would
Speaker 3: I trade for maybe some linebackers sistance, you gotta get a.
Speaker 2: Pass rust to get an edge.
Speaker 4: You got to get an edge thrussure man. So yeah,
Speaker 4: they traded away Michael Parsons. And you know me, I've
Speaker 4: not been on that.
Speaker 3: Like once it happened, it is like, all right, let's
Speaker 3: just kind of move on now that we moved on
Speaker 3: from that happening. Because nothing wipes up that spilled milk.
Speaker 3: You can at least acknowledge the error in that there
Speaker 3: is the pass rush. You need pass rush, so I
Speaker 3: go trade for a linebacker, I trade for a paths rusher.
Speaker 3: As far as that's the GM cap, the owner cap,
Speaker 3: I don't think they make a change right now with DC.
Speaker 3: I think they see enough from their perview. This is
Speaker 3: not me speaking from their perview. I think they see
Speaker 3: enough positive with the scheme. And like you said, some
Speaker 3: of this is.
Speaker 4: Accountable to the players, absolutely right.
Speaker 3: So because of that ladder point that a part of
Speaker 3: that sentence, I think it buys Eberflus more time. I
Speaker 3: think shot he wants to give Eberflus this entire season.
Speaker 3: He wants to see it work out. Now ask me
Speaker 3: this question at the end of the year. If it
Speaker 3: continues as it is and then it starts to smell
Speaker 3: like a Mike Nolan situation, yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Very easily could.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on that since but I'll
Speaker 2: get to my point here in a minute, Tommy.
Speaker 8: So let me ask you this.
Speaker 7: Guys, when we talk about windows for championships in Super
Speaker 7: Bowls and things like that, sure, usually your window gets
Speaker 7: opened when you stack together some really good drafts, and
Speaker 7: in recent history it's been some really good drafts, one
Speaker 7: of which you get your rookie quarterback, and you're paying
Speaker 7: a rookie quarterback. Well, right now, the Cowboys have got
Speaker 7: Dak Prescott's their window is a little bit different, and
Speaker 7: he's playing at such a high level that you want
Speaker 7: to be able to maximize that. So he's got three
Speaker 7: years left after is it three years or two years
Speaker 7: after this year?
Speaker 8: Three years after this year?
Speaker 7: So three years left on his deal after this year.
Speaker 7: You've got two first round picks in the next two drafts.
Speaker 7: And you should never tank. I'm not a fan of tanking,
Speaker 7: and it's not a thing like, it's not something that
Speaker 7: you should do.
Speaker 8: You play to win the game.
Speaker 7: But when you have that draft capital that is so valuable,
Speaker 7: and you were willing to move off of an all
Speaker 7: world pass rusher to obtain that draft capital, I think
Speaker 7: you use it with the long term in mind, and
Speaker 7: you want to maximize on that window. Right So I
Speaker 7: understand your point of making a trade for right now,
Speaker 7: and again the season has not lost.
Speaker 4: A two three, you have extra picks from that, and
Speaker 4: you have extra.
Speaker 7: Picks, But I don't think there is a single player
Speaker 7: that you can trade for right now, even two or
Speaker 7: three players that would wildly change the landscape of this defense.
Speaker 7: I really just don't think there are that many that
Speaker 7: would take this from a unit that has been basically
Speaker 7: dead last in terms of yards allowed per game to
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, you know, Okay, this is going
Speaker 7: to be a even a top half of the NFL defense.
Speaker 7: I just don't think they're there right now. I don't
Speaker 7: think they have the personnel for that. So I think
Speaker 7: you have to kind of mix the long term shot
Speaker 7: with the present, and there's gonna be some things where
Speaker 7: either way you're going to just have to live with
Speaker 7: what you got, but you have to build towards the future.
Speaker 7: And the good thing about this team is they have
Speaker 7: drafted fairly well compared to other teams.
Speaker 8: Sure, you're going to have your missus here and there,
Speaker 8: You're never not you.
Speaker 2: Need more contributions from your current but you need.
Speaker 8: More contributions from your current class.
Speaker 7: And if you're going to use those two first round
Speaker 7: picks in the next two years, boy do those four
Speaker 7: guys have to hit or two or three of the
Speaker 7: four pretty quickly.
Speaker 8: And so you know, what are they going to do?
Speaker 8: Who knows?
Speaker 7: I'm with Patrick and I'm sure you stand the same, Kyle.
Speaker 7: I don't think they're going to move on from Mattiberflus.
Speaker 8: It just doesn't. That's not going to fix anything. That's
Speaker 8: not going to fix anything because.
Speaker 7: Right now, who else so you can what's the interim
Speaker 7: going to change that isn't already an issue? So I
Speaker 7: don't think that's the I don't think that's the solution.
Speaker 7: I think this is really more of the personnel right
Speaker 7: now is not where it needs to be to have
Speaker 7: an league defense.
Speaker 8: I just don't think it is.
Speaker 4: All you need is this defense to be mid.
Speaker 8: They don't even need to be great. They need to
Speaker 8: be a.
Speaker 3: If they're just mid, you you're probably you're over five
Speaker 3: hundred if they're just mid.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's where my point comes in. I agree with
Speaker 1: everything that you guys have just said. First, let me
Speaker 1: just start off by saying, if we thought ibra Flus
Speaker 1: was going to be moved on from, or that he
Speaker 1: deserved to be moved on from, we are allowed to
Speaker 1: say that on the show. I just want to let
Speaker 1: that be clear. We can talk that before we've absolutely
Speaker 1: absolutely Mike Nolan's won. Mike Zimmer was another one. Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy that conversation. We've talked about it, Yeah, we've we've
Speaker 1: had that that ability to.
Speaker 2: Talk about that stuff all, which is it's not going
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen, and I don't think it should
Speaker 1: happen right this secon It's week six, guys, Week six
Speaker 1: of the NFL season. So don't expect it to happen
Speaker 1: next week or the week after or the week after.
Speaker 1: Don't expect it, honestly before the end of the season.
Speaker 1: Unless the season's out of reach and you are out
Speaker 1: of playoff contention and your team is one of the
Speaker 1: worst defensively in the in the league, which very could,
Speaker 1: very well could happen, then you can maybe talk about
Speaker 1: it because then you're moving on.
Speaker 2: You're not giving up.
Speaker 1: They're not giving up on the season yet, So Mattyberflues
Speaker 1: will remain your defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: That's just part of it.
Speaker 1: What happened, you guys, remember what happened on August twenty
Speaker 1: eighth of this year of this year. Isn't that the
Speaker 1: that's the mic that was the Mica trade. Since that day,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys acquired a couple of first round picks. Right,
Speaker 1: I've said, hold on to those picks, use them from
Speaker 1: a draft standpoint, Yes, you have and build toward twenty six,
Speaker 1: twenty seven, twenty eight.
Speaker 4: That's the draft show, and you're talking.
Speaker 2: I love the NFL Draft, I love the Draft show.
Speaker 1: I love all of that.
Speaker 2: I'm super excited about those first round picks.
Speaker 1: I would love to draft those first round picks because
Speaker 1: your team's good enough to have those first round.
Speaker 2: Picks and still be in contention. But kind of what
Speaker 2: Tommy just said.
Speaker 1: The window of opportunity a lot of times coincides with
Speaker 1: the window of how your quarterback is playing, and the
Speaker 1: window of what your quarterback is playing right now is
Speaker 1: the best that it's ever been. Dak Prescott is playing
Speaker 1: his best football of his career, and just like Patrick
Speaker 1: said in the open, you're wasting it. You're wasting this
Speaker 1: opportunity with Dak Prescott and an offense around him with weapons.
Speaker 1: George Pickens, Mike Oh, George Pickens is just playing at
Speaker 1: an extremely high level and he doesn't even have Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb opposite of him. Ceedee Lamb's coming back. He's going
Speaker 1: to be fine. Jake Ferguson is the leading tight end
Speaker 1: receiving or leading receiving tight end in the NFL. Right now,
Speaker 1: you have the top tight end, you have one of
Speaker 1: the most explosive players, and you have an elite wide
Speaker 1: receiver and a quarterback that's playing in an MVP caliber level.
Speaker 1: I don't need this defense to be top three or four.
Speaker 1: I don't need them to be top three or four
Speaker 1: of the NFL, and I don't think they can get there.
Speaker 1: They could trade for two All pros and they're probably
Speaker 1: not there. But what you can do is make some
Speaker 1: conservative effort to improve the personnel on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the football and get them to a point where
Speaker 1: they are serviceable. That's what I'm asking for. You don't
Speaker 1: need to trade for an All Pro. You don't need
Speaker 1: to spin those first round picks, though. If the opportunity
Speaker 1: is there and the price is right, then come on down.
Speaker 1: Let's try and get a little All Pro. Let's go
Speaker 1: Bob Barker, Let's go Drew whatever carry is and whatever
Speaker 1: his name is, Drew Carrey. I would be fine trading
Speaker 1: those picks now, more so than ever, just because I've
Speaker 1: seen how elite this offense is and you are so
Speaker 1: close on the offensive side. You just got to get
Speaker 1: closer on the defensive side, close that gap a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I think this is a football team that with
Speaker 1: a wide open division, can win the division and make
Speaker 1: some noise because of how elite they are on the
Speaker 1: offensive side. Defense win championships, but so do elite offenses.
Speaker 1: We've seen that in the modern day.
Speaker 2: NFL too. Got to find a way to make them
Speaker 2: better because right now it's not working.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Welcome to the trade party.
Speaker 2: I'm here, but I'm here. Let's make something happen.
Speaker 7: I think I think you have a good point there,
Speaker 7: and and I wouldn't mind trading draft capital for sure
Speaker 7: better players.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 7: Again, though, if you're going to trade, if you're going
Speaker 7: to trade one of those, or even both of those,
Speaker 7: let's let's.
Speaker 2: Hold on one of them.
Speaker 7: Well, if you're if you're gonna say, say, trade one
Speaker 7: for one elite player and there for another elite player,
Speaker 7: I really just do not think will it make a difference.
Speaker 7: Absolutely will take this defense from good to maybe mediocre.
Speaker 1: Sure, probably that's all I think you need. That that's
Speaker 1: to a degree.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But if we are talking about the goal being
Speaker 7: winning a super Bowl, I don't think that's enough. I
Speaker 7: think you need to have both an elite offense and
Speaker 7: an elite defense in today's NFL, because you look at
Speaker 7: I think you do.
Speaker 8: You look at the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 7: They've got an elite quarterback, and they've got a defense
Speaker 7: that plays really well under Steve Spagnol with elite players everywhere.
Speaker 2: Solid.
Speaker 7: You look at Philadelphia Eagles, they have an elite offense,
Speaker 7: maybe not this year, and an elite defense that has
Speaker 7: playmakers everywhere.
Speaker 8: If that's what we're.
Speaker 7: Comparing this to, and that's what history has shown in
Speaker 7: recent years that is necessary to win a Super Bowl,
Speaker 7: Cowboys don't have that, and I don't think two trades
Speaker 7: would necessarily change that, and.
Speaker 8: It very rarely would it, very rarely would it.
Speaker 7: Are there players out there that you trade a first
Speaker 7: round pick or whatever to help this defense?
Speaker 8: Absolutely, the bar is not very high.
Speaker 1: So with that mindset, and I don't think you're entirely wrong,
Speaker 1: you have to be better. I just think this offense
Speaker 1: is good enough to carry the load. That's all I'm saying. Sure,
Speaker 1: But if we're going to go by that mentality and
Speaker 1: we're that conversation, let's start trading players. Let's throw in
Speaker 1: the towel here in a couple of weeks, if things
Speaker 1: don't go your way and Washington or against Washington in Denver,
Speaker 1: you go into the bye week and you're what two
Speaker 1: five and one at that point, Let's go ahead, Let's
Speaker 1: let's start building toward that time. Let's start building toward
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, because you have the
Speaker 1: draft capitlo already. Let's just scrap this thing and get going, because,
Speaker 1: like you said initially, with the current window that Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott is playing in, it's whoever you're drafting in those
Speaker 1: first round opportunities is either going to have to hit
Speaker 1: immediately or it's going to be a quarterback playing.
Speaker 2: That's just part of it. And then Dak's career at
Speaker 2: that point will be in.
Speaker 4: The rearview mirror.
Speaker 3: So here's here's my counter point, and this is why
Speaker 3: I shook my head, Tommy. I don't think, well, it
Speaker 3: would be ideal, goes what I was saying. It will
Speaker 3: be ideal for you to be able to build a
Speaker 3: situation where you have an elite defense and an elite offense.
Speaker 3: Every NFL team, that's what that's the goal, that's the goal.
Speaker 3: But not every Super Bowl winner has that. So then
Speaker 3: you go and look at each respective Super Bowl winning
Speaker 3: you ask yourself which side of the ball won them
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. Okay, there are situations where if you
Speaker 3: have an elite defense, then your offense can be just average,
Speaker 3: slightly above average, just do enough, and it's the end
Speaker 3: versus true as well. So if this situation where dak
Speaker 3: is playing out of his mind and George Pickens is
Speaker 3: playing out of his mind and Seedy Land when he
Speaker 3: comes back, gets back to playing out of his mind,
Speaker 3: and yesterday's game against the Panthers, notwithstanding Javonte Williams and
Speaker 3: the rushing attack gets back on treasures your offense. We
Speaker 3: can all agree that your offense is elite. What you
Speaker 3: need from your defense is to be average to slightly
Speaker 3: above average. But in that you need takeaways. Yes, you
Speaker 3: have to get takeaways. You can't be so this is
Speaker 3: where I agree with you. You can't simply be average
Speaker 3: to slightly above average and that's it. You have to
Speaker 3: be slightly above average but have splash plays. The Cowboys
Speaker 3: defense is not only poor right now and the worst
Speaker 3: in the league just generally speaking, in several major categories
Speaker 3: and most of that matter, they're also the worst in
Speaker 3: league and splash plays and taking them ball away and
Speaker 3: giving up splash and giving.
Speaker 4: Up splash plays. So look at the spectrum. Look at
Speaker 4: the spectrum.
Speaker 3: You're giving up a bunch of explosive plays, but you're
Speaker 3: not generating explosive plays on your side of the ball either.
Speaker 3: It's it's a recipe for disaster and that's what we're seeing.
Speaker 3: So this Cowboys team or just just strip it away
Speaker 3: because people are going to take what I'm about to say.
Speaker 4: So, oh, you know, see you're saying the Cowboys can.
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying now, And that's not what
Speaker 2: I'm saying either.
Speaker 3: Let's say any NFL team, any NFL team, any of
Speaker 3: the thirty two. You can win a Super Bowl with
Speaker 3: an elite offense and an average to slightly above average defense,
Speaker 3: as long as that defense is doing two things. One
Speaker 3: limiting explosive plays, which by definition makes you slightly above
Speaker 3: average or better, and creating explosive plays with takeaways and
Speaker 3: force fumbles. You put that together, that can win you
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl. It doesn't have to be elite plus elite.
Speaker 4: That's ideal. That's what everybody wants.
Speaker 1: I want to hear it Tommy's rebuttal after the break.
Speaker 1: We gotta go to the break Tommy's rebuttal when we
Speaker 1: come back.
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Speaker 1: Backyard Talking Cowboys following the thirty to twenty seven loss
Speaker 1: to the Carolina Panthers, Patrick Nocy, Walker, Tommy Yarish, Chris
Speaker 1: Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. We are debating
Speaker 1: what to do next. If you're the Dallas Cowboys. Do
Speaker 1: you trade for prospects to try and get your defense
Speaker 1: close enough to being at a serviceable or even above
Speaker 1: average level. Do you let it ride with the draft
Speaker 1: picks that you've got, or do you continue on as
Speaker 1: you're going and figure out it down the line, which
Speaker 1: is probably what's ultimately gonna happen. But Tommy Patrick had
Speaker 1: just given his thoughts, I want you to rebuttle here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you know.
Speaker 7: Part of the reason why all of us are agreeing
Speaker 7: with so many different aspects of what we're all saying
Speaker 7: is because there is no concrete answer or solution to
Speaker 7: this right now, really just going off of what history
Speaker 7: has shown us recently, and because everybody had the answer
Speaker 7: everybody be winning super Bowls, but look, I think that
Speaker 7: you need to have a really strong presence on both
Speaker 7: sides of the football more often than not to be
Speaker 7: able to win you Super Bowl. And it's not always
Speaker 7: because teams have done without that. I think the prime
Speaker 7: example of that, and I'm apologizing in advance to Cowboys fans,
Speaker 7: is the twenty twenty three Cowboys.
Speaker 8: Because Dak Prescott on the offense, they're playing at an
Speaker 8: unbelievably high level. The defense was I.
Speaker 7: Would categorize as above average, above average to average. And
Speaker 7: look at what happens when the Green bit Packers come
Speaker 7: into town. They walk the floor with you, mop the
Speaker 7: floor with you, whatever the term is. Sure, it's not
Speaker 7: even close. And so that's what I'm saying is, you know,
Speaker 7: that's a defense that had Michael Parsons. That's a defense
Speaker 7: that had all of the pieces, most of the pieces
Speaker 7: that they've got that you know, you would say, okay,
Speaker 7: And I think really that was a team that you
Speaker 7: could say of all the Cowboys team in the last
Speaker 7: thirty years where they've been in the strout, that team
Speaker 7: was up there and the ones that had the best
Speaker 7: chance to win all oh seven fourteen yeah, yeah, maybe
Speaker 7: not the best, but up there with it. And they
Speaker 7: had what you guys are talking about a elite offense
Speaker 7: with a average to above average defense.
Speaker 8: And look at what happens Week one.
Speaker 4: But you know what, you didn't have a single takeaway
Speaker 4: in that game.
Speaker 7: And but but but to the takeaways point, Cowboys have
Speaker 7: won the turnover battle the last three games. They've been
Speaker 7: plus in the turnover battle of the last three games.
Speaker 7: But you're giving only won, Well, that's what I'm saying
Speaker 7: is but yeah, it's exactly exactly.
Speaker 6: It's it.
Speaker 8: It doesn't even matter.
Speaker 7: And yes, the turnover battle is something that every coach,
Speaker 7: regardless of level, every time we call a high school game,
Speaker 7: what are the keys to the game?
Speaker 8: Coach had got to win the turnover battle.
Speaker 7: You can win the turnover battle and it won't matter
Speaker 7: if you're giving up. You know, like like I, you're
Speaker 7: ready for the Panthers play calls in the fourth.
Speaker 8: Quarter, run run, run, run, run, run, run.
Speaker 7: Pass, run, pass, touchdowns, run, pass, pass, punt, run, pass, pass, run, pass, pass, run, run, pass, pass, run, run, run, run, run,
Speaker 7: field goal.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of runs.
Speaker 4: They were cooking the clock on purpose, which was very well.
Speaker 1: They were, which is very so I thought David Hellman
Speaker 1: put out a great tweet. I don't have it in
Speaker 1: front of me, but I'm paraphrasing. He basically is saying,
Speaker 1: one of the most embarrassing parts of this defensive performance
Speaker 1: is that you gave the ball back to Carolina with
Speaker 1: about six minutes left, and you weren't able to touch
Speaker 1: the ball again. That's that was part of the problem
Speaker 1: in that whole sense. So I do I agree with you, Tommy,
Speaker 1: and I agree with you in different ways. I think
Speaker 1: you're not close enough yet to categorize this as a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl contingent team, and you probably won't when you
Speaker 1: make a move of some sort.
Speaker 2: But I think a pass rusher and a solidified either
Speaker 2: safety corner throw them in the secondary. We'll figure it
Speaker 2: out one way or the other. Will help limit those
Speaker 2: big plays.
Speaker 1: They will limit the pass play or the splash plays
Speaker 1: that have really hurts you to this point because the
Speaker 1: edge rusher. If you're able to get home with an
Speaker 1: edge rusher that's elite and elevate the rest of the
Speaker 1: edge rushers in that rotation, all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: time clock starts to shrink.
Speaker 2: Your time clock.
Speaker 1: As a quarterback to operate, starts to shrink. That puts
Speaker 1: less stress on your secondary. And if you've got another
Speaker 1: body in the say secondary, whether it's a safety, whether
Speaker 1: it's a corner, doesn't really matter. We'll have a conversation,
Speaker 1: i'm sure at some point this week about Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 1: and his play and what it has been through the
Speaker 1: first month and a half. He hasn't been there, he
Speaker 1: hasn't been it. It hasn't been good. So maybe you
Speaker 1: get a corner to solidify one side of the field,
Speaker 1: Maybe you do something like that. They're one or two
Speaker 1: moves away from being serviceable. I agree with you, though, Tommy,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to be elite. They would
Speaker 1: love to be the twenty twenty three Cowboys defense. That's
Speaker 1: where they would love to be. But it gave them
Speaker 1: a shot in two three, and they missed their shot.
Speaker 1: I think Dak Prescott's playing at a level right now
Speaker 1: to where you can bank on them having a shot
Speaker 1: as long as the defense is service.
Speaker 3: Really really quick, because I'm looking at the time and
Speaker 3: then I'll know we close out the thing. And I'm
Speaker 3: glad you brought up the Green Bay game because it
Speaker 3: actually makes my point, this was one of the best
Speaker 3: defenses in the league that season. But you know what,
Speaker 3: they struggled against run defense. Yes, right, So it's it's
Speaker 3: always you can't be elite if you're strugg if you
Speaker 3: have a gaping hole somewhere. Rather it be and giving
Speaker 3: up chunk players or stopping the run. They had an issue.
Speaker 2: Could not stop the run.
Speaker 3: They were the best in the league at taking the
Speaker 3: ball away. Okay, green Bay came in, they couldn't stop
Speaker 3: the run and they didn't take the ball away.
Speaker 2: It was all the red flags.
Speaker 4: So there you go. That's my point.
Speaker 3: So that means they were not an elite defense because
Speaker 3: when the time came to really buck up and it's
Speaker 3: postseason and you're at home and you're against the Green
Speaker 3: Bay Backpackers, you didn't need You suffered against run defense,
Speaker 3: which is something you had done all season, and you
Speaker 3: were unable to do the one thing that made you great,
Speaker 3: which were splash plays and not allowing chunk plays. So
Speaker 3: that means they were never really a great defense that year.
Speaker 3: They just were great at takeaways, and then they weren't
Speaker 3: able to get none of you get in it against
Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers, and then the run defense showed
Speaker 3: you what it was against the Green Bay Packers. So
Speaker 3: you don't need an elite and elite. You want both.
Speaker 3: You want both to be elite. But you're not gonna.
Speaker 3: I've watched too much NFL football to believe that you
Speaker 3: require both of those things to be perfectly in sync
Speaker 3: to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: That's rarely the case, actually, so, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, even if you go back and look at Eagles Chiefs,
Speaker 3: the defense won that game for the Eagles, not the offense.
Speaker 4: The offense.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: One word answers and then we're getting out of here.
Speaker 2: Are you moving on?
Speaker 1: For Maddie refuse no too soon. That's two words, so
Speaker 1: yes or no oh no, by no no for me.
Speaker 1: For you, it's four words, chuck all right.
Speaker 3: And then it was like Tupac like the number two,
Speaker 3: and then soon so too. So the picks, the first
Speaker 3: round picks, trade them or keep them?
Speaker 8: Keep them?
Speaker 4: Trade them.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say trade one. I'm gonna trade them.
Speaker 4: Split your difference.
Speaker 2: I'll split the difference, all right.
Speaker 4: Switch.
Speaker 2: That's gonna do it for us.
Speaker 6: I did.
Speaker 1: I flipped the script. I've had a change of heart today.
Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us. Here on Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Will be back on Wednesday. No show tomorrow. We've got
Speaker 1: a little bit going on here in studio, so we
Speaker 1: will not be here tomorrow. We will be back Wednesday
Speaker 1: and we'll start turning the page going into the Week
Speaker 1: seven matchup against Dan Quinn and the Washington Commanders. For
Speaker 1: Patrick Nosey Walker, tommy Rs, Chris Beam in the back,
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yoman saying so long.
Speaker 2: We'll see you on Wednesday with more Talking Cowboys.
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