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Speaker 1: for listening to the Herd Podcast. Here we go, hour two, Nick, Right,

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Speaker 1: in a few minutes, we're live in Chicago. It's the

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Speaker 1: Herd warming up here. May wear a tank top on

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Speaker 1: the show tomorrow. It is so nice, ol. A couple

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Speaker 1: of days you see the flowers start blooming, so beautiful.

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Speaker 1: The Friday night is going to be great. Dan Hurley

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Speaker 1: and Yukon face tom Izzo and Michigan State. And I'm

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Speaker 1: one of these. If you want to play for Dan

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Speaker 1: Hurley or if you want to play for tom Izzo,

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Speaker 1: you have to adapt to their style. Their job is

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Speaker 1: to not make you comfortable. These guys bark. So there's

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Speaker 1: Rick Patino and John Calipari and coach k did. Now,

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Speaker 1: not every coach has to bark. Hurley really gets after officials,

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Speaker 1: and Patino can really get after players, and so Canizzo.

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Speaker 1: But my take is. I know that Hurley and Izzo

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Speaker 1: and Patino's teams are going to be excellent. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you, as a player are going to be excellent.

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Speaker 1: You need to adapt to them. They work. Izzo's made

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Speaker 1: the tournament twenty eighth straight years. His style works your game.

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Speaker 1: There's no guarantee it works. You adapt to them. The media,

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Speaker 1: especially the print media, has always been uncomfortable with like volume.

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Speaker 1: But they call it a thirty second time out. There's

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Speaker 1: no time for paragraphs in diplomacy and nuance. The arena

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Speaker 1: is loud. This is not the NBA where you get

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Speaker 1: seven game playoff series. It's sudden death basketball. I gotta

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Speaker 1: make a point quickly, move on. And it can be

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Speaker 1: one bad call by an official or one defensive mistake

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Speaker 1: by you as a college player. The season's over. In

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Speaker 1: the NBA, it's different, you know, you see Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: You start getting a multi you know, three, five, seven

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: So when I look at it and all these coaches

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Speaker 1: love is though, and love coach K and Calipari totally

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Speaker 1: I'm comfortable Hurley yells at officials more than players. Coach

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Speaker 1: Has it changed the way you coach.

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Speaker 3: I'm at the point in my career where i don't

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Speaker 2: But you know, I've had the privilege of being you know,

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Speaker 2: I've had some chances to go there, and I think

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Speaker 2: players want to be coached. Everybody's got to be pushed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, everybody pushes people. That's the way it should be.

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Speaker 1: Would do it. I would argue the three best coaches

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Speaker 1: so I said, I use the six foot six two

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Speaker 1: My point is with Wemby, stats do not tell the story.

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Speaker 4: Wemby is soorically Do you know what's an offensive league?

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Speaker 4: Mean, is it though? Is it an offensive league? And

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Speaker 4: rules because everyone loves Wmby and nobody likes Luca?

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Speaker 3: Just tell me, because you.

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Speaker 1: Can't be the worst defensive star in the league. And

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Speaker 3: On offense, Okay, so hold on. So here's my problem.

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Speaker 4: I agree that the stats don't tell the story fully

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Speaker 4: on Wimby's defense, Wimby is the best defensive player in

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Speaker 4: That is all objectively true. I do think for Wimby.

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Speaker 4: The stats do tell the story. On his offense, He's

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Speaker 4: not Steph Curry in twenty fifteen, where his gravity is

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Speaker 3: Now, one can argue.

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Speaker 4: Being the twelfth best offensive player and far and away

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Speaker 4: the sport. That is a legitimate argument. What is not

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Speaker 4: a legitimate argument is that MVP has always equally weighed

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Speaker 4: offensive defense. Well, defense is half the game, guys, Colin.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the year, we vote on the

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Speaker 4: not the All offense team. You know why, because they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: We have MVP, and.

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Speaker 4: We have Defensive Player of the Year. You know, we

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Speaker 4: don't have Offensive Player of the Year. You know why,

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Speaker 4: because that's the MVP. That's what we can't all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden, say Luca who creates fifty five points a

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Speaker 4: two points per game via points and assists that that's

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Speaker 4: a wash. When it comes to the MVP race when

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Speaker 4: the MVP has never been fifty percent offense fifty percent defense.

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Speaker 3: And I know you were out of town.

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Speaker 4: Luckily when Luca was lighting the league on fire, but

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Speaker 4: at some point you're gonna have to come to terms

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Speaker 3: Just what's the word wrong? This is wrong. Is a great, great, great,

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not disputing that. Let me say this. I

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Speaker 1: we kind of know the Seeds. People know who can.

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Speaker 1: So by the way, last year Bucks went on an

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Speaker 1: winning streaks be careful because Ultimate leads the only pro

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Speaker 1: differently in the playoffs. Is that what Detroit did last night.

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Speaker 1: without Kate Hunningham. But they did give a blueprint why

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Speaker 1: the Lakers will struggle teams that get physical with the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: even if they're totally limited offensively. Give La big drillal

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Speaker 1: A league totally disagree with the Lakers last night.

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Speaker 4: Well listen, they they and this is a precarious spot

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Speaker 4: to be in. But they are wildly reliant on Marcus

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Speaker 1: That is a precarious spot.

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Speaker 4: But the idea that the way you're going to beat

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Speaker 4: I just flatly disagree with you. I do agree all

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Speaker 4: winning streaks are not created equal, but when there are

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Speaker 4: and Houston's one of them, and you won back to

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Speaker 4: beat them on the winning streak. You beat the Knicks,

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Speaker 4: they played high quality opponents and beat them. The Lakers

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Speaker 4: this year, Colin have the best record in the league

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Speaker 4: when leading entering the fourth they are undefeated. This is

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Speaker 4: Thirty times this year they have had a big lead

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Speaker 4: one score games. I'm sorry, in single digit games, games

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: Have the Spurs been better, clearly, but the Spurs starting

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Speaker 4: lineup has Victor win Minyama Yama zero playoff games, Castle

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Speaker 4: been to what the NBA Finals except for Austin Reeves.

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Speaker 4: Marcus Smart's been to the finals eight and has been

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Speaker 4: to the finals. Luca's been to the finals. Lebron's played

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Speaker 4: three hundred games. They're in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: There is a.

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Speaker 4: Path for the Lakers to upsetting everyone's beloved, precocious San

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Speaker 4: everyone wants to give the title to OKC. We're on

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Speaker 4: six years in a row, colin of the defending champion

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Speaker 4: looking unbeatable and the defending champion not even making the

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Speaker 4: conference finals. Six champs in a row have lost in

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Speaker 4: round one or round two. The Lakers are live. They're

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Speaker 4: not my pick. I think Boston's gonna win it, and

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Speaker 4: I think okay See's the best team. But the Lakers,

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Speaker 4: much to your and Charles Barkley's chagrin, are live.

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Speaker 3: And you're just got You just got to accept it.

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Speaker 1: You have to accept it, Okay, all right? So I

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Speaker 1: defended the Travis Kelcey contract yesterday because you can't trust

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Speaker 1: Rashi Rice maturity worthy. He's a gadget guy. Mikole Hardman,

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Speaker 1: if he's still around, forget it. So he's gone. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So the reality is Reid Mahomes Travis Kelcey. There's a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the terrifying Chargers, the Chargers who last won a

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Speaker 4: The Broncos, they were the one seed, they won fourteen games.

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Speaker 4: The Kelsey deal, and this is not your guy's fault.

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Speaker 4: This is honestly NFL reportage fault. Three years, fifty four

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Speaker 4: You know what, I don't think he's going to get

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Speaker 3: And finally he was.

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Speaker 1: So I want to circle back. I want to end

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Speaker 1: You know, it's the phone generation. Any criticism you know

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Speaker 1: I heard the Lakers are better without me.

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Speaker 3: I'm like him, he was talking to you. Did you apologize,

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Speaker 4: Did you reach out to Maverick and say, tell Lebron,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said it.

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Speaker 1: Let's wait to the playoffs. I do think there's a

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Speaker 1: It's not who he is. You are the GM of

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Speaker 4: I think Lebron's I believe this is his last year

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Speaker 4: If they were to make the finals, which I'm not

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Speaker 4: screw it, run it back. I don't think either of

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Speaker 3: That it could be there.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he'll be on the Lakers next year.

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Speaker 4: But Lebron was absolutely unequivocally correct in getting mad at

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Speaker 3: As best as you can.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I do think that there are better fits

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Speaker 4: Of Course, they're better with him than without him, and

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Speaker 1: All right, well, I hope they can get past the

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Speaker 4: That's a I mean, yeah, I mean they're gonna about

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Speaker 4: By the way, take Luca one more tech. He gets

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Speaker 3: They're gonna be the three seed.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna get Houston in round one when they're up

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Speaker 4: three to one. You're gonna lead your show killing Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna get ready for Lebron wimby round two.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: I missed you. I haven't talked to you.

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Speaker 1: In a while. It's great to see you, buddy, as always. Ye,

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Speaker 1: first things first, after our show. Yeah, the you know,

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Speaker 1: leaguers were hunting last night. It's like, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: you know, the Harball Herbert thing, it's hard to argue

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Speaker 1: about it. Live in Chicago, it's the Herd.

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Speaker 6: I'm the producer of the Paula and Tony Fusco Show.

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Speaker 6: Usually in these promos they ask you to listen to

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Speaker 8: He's still moving.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you I'm gonna address it at the end

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Speaker 1: of this hour that Darren Peterson going number one when

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna be a number one pick and there's

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Speaker 3: No, no, turn on the news.

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Speaker 5: This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 9: All right, Colin, We got to talk about Lebron briefly.

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Speaker 9: He had a rough first half last night. He looked

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Speaker 8: Lakers are hot. We've got a report.

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Speaker 9: There is report no way that Lebron returns to the

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Speaker 8: Here's anyway.

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Speaker 1: It's been around for a long time. So he is

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Speaker 9: How can you say no way? Like other things could

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Speaker 9: They don't give up us to read Lebron a million things.

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Speaker 1: Lebron's history has told you he's not taking less money.

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Speaker 1: You people's resume tells you that Lebron's not taking a

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Speaker 1: Never gonna take He never took a big pay cut.

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Speaker 9: Well, financially, he can't go to the cabs. Then we're

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Speaker 9: Lebron wants to play Colin. His only path is taking

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Speaker 8: And that's not bad. He's gonna be forty two years old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just I'm just telling you. This new Laker

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Speaker 1: he is the third best offensive auction on the team.

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna pay him a fortune. They're not gonna

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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 8: No, definitely not.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well we'll see. It's gonna be a fun offseason. Listen, man,

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Speaker 9: this summer colin with the Lebron World Cup. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 9: NBA Finals with the Spurs Knicks, if they get there,

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Speaker 9: I cannot wait. All right, let's move on to the

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Speaker 9: NFL colin and that JSN record setting contract.

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Speaker 8: You took the Pickens angle. How about this one?

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Speaker 9: What's going on with Puka Nakua and the Rams? You

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Speaker 9: could argue Puka is the best wide receiver in the league.

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Speaker 9: Reports indicate Rams are in no rush to get a

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Speaker 9: deal done with Puka, with Mike Garrifolo of the NFL

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Speaker 9: Network reporting he expects it to be.

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Speaker 8: A before there's an extension.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 9: Garatfolo added, it's a different situation than JSN yep, because

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Speaker 9: of how many players the Rams need to pay.

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Speaker 1: That's part of it. And also the Rams have been

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Speaker 1: disappointed by sometimes his lack of maturity. He gets banged up,

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Speaker 1: he steps in it. I mean if DeVante Adams was

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Speaker 1: in his prime, it would be different. Because Davonte's what

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Speaker 1: thirty three, So they're going to address their wide receiver

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Speaker 1: needs very early. But Jsn's different than Fuka. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: get banged up, and you have no questions about maturity,

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Speaker 1: gets along great with the coaches, doesn't step in it.

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Speaker 1: Listen to the wide receiver position we have a history of.

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Speaker 1: You know, it can be more difficult personalities. I think

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Speaker 1: Pooka is a great player, and I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: a bad guy, but he got into some trouble this season,

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Speaker 1: and that the Rams like their players to hide from

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Speaker 1: the media. They'll promote them and market them. I mean

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Speaker 1: they really marketed and promoted Stafford this year, and Stafford

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Speaker 1: would pound the table for him. But they're gonna they're

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Speaker 1: gonna let They're gonna watch and monitor Pooka physically and

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Speaker 1: emotionally this year in my opinion, before they write the check.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so he is, let's see here, he's only twenty four,

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Speaker 9: turns twenty five next month, and you.

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Speaker 8: Know, I know you said he stepped in a little

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Speaker 8: this year.

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Speaker 9: He also had a career high in receptions seventeen hundred yards.

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Speaker 8: I mean he led the league in receptions.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he's a great player.

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Speaker 9: I mean the Seahawks could not stop him. Do you

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Speaker 9: remember that Thursday night game? No, might have had two

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Speaker 9: hundred yards. I've never gotten, but like, you're right, something's

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Speaker 9: going on now as a let's see, here's a fifth

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Speaker 9: round pick.

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Speaker 1: I believe, yeah, I mean there's there's there's an argument

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Speaker 1: there's never been a skill player in league history that

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Speaker 1: provided more production and got paid less than poking a cool.

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Speaker 9: His value was unbelievable as a fifth round pick. Is

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Speaker 9: he at forty men million dollars a year as valuable?

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Speaker 9: I mean we went through the wide receivers, the highest

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Speaker 9: paid colin I think none of those guys made the

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Speaker 9: playoffs or something like that, or didn't win a game

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Speaker 9: or something. It's ugly and again, paying these guys a lot,

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Speaker 9: I would not be shocked. Yeah, let's go down the

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Speaker 9: list real quick. Jamar Chayes, no Jefferson, no Lamb, no Metcalf.

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Speaker 9: They didn't make the playoffs. Garrel Wilson clearly did not

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Speaker 9: Scary Terry No. AJ Brown did. Did the Lions make

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Speaker 9: the playoffs? I don't spacing No, they did not, and

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Speaker 9: IUK was injured. So you go ahead and pay the guy.

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Speaker 9: He's awesome, but just know that you could end up

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Speaker 9: on this list next year with a high paid receiver

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Speaker 9: and not even in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: Now, the good news for the Rams, they have hit

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Speaker 1: on so many defensive players that they can go out

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Speaker 1: and pay Trent McDuffie their offense. They've got one tight

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Speaker 1: end that's expensive. You know, the running back Kyron Williams

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Speaker 1: now makes real money. DeVante Adams makes money. Stafford makes

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Speaker 1: a fortune. So you know, it's one of these things.

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Speaker 1: If you draft well, then the pooka contract is they're

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Speaker 1: more amenable to it. So that's part of it too.

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Speaker 9: It definitely feels like a last dance situation for the Rams.

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Speaker 9: The final story con is Max Crosby is back in

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Speaker 9: Vegas after the quick trip to Baltimore where he thought

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Speaker 9: he was going to be a raven, and multiple reports

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Speaker 9: claim Max is no longer trying to get out of Vegas.

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Speaker 9: He obviously put that on social media. However, it's now

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Speaker 9: come out that the Ravens backed out of the Crosby deal,

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Speaker 9: allegedly due to a degenerative issue in Max's knee. Now,

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Speaker 9: Mark Lerich was on the show last week and he said,

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Speaker 9: everybody who's played in the trenches in the NFL has

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Speaker 9: degenerative knee issues, like it's normal. This is really an

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Speaker 9: interesting situation, Colin. Do you still try to move Max

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Speaker 9: because he initially wanted out, or do you say he.

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Speaker 1: Has so many draft picks. They've got a whole new staff,

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Speaker 1: are going to be the youngest team in the league

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Speaker 1: over the next two years. They have so many draft picks.

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Speaker 1: Who are their veteran leaders one? Max Crosby, Like I

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Speaker 1: didn't I said from the beginning, I wouldn't move him again.

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Speaker 1: It'd be one thing if you had so many mouse

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Speaker 1: to feed if they hit on I mean they've got

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Speaker 1: literally I mean, they've got so many picks. I mean

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Speaker 1: I think of like three or four fours and threes

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Speaker 1: and twos, and they don't they don't have any veteran leadership.

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Speaker 1: Colton Miller, who was hurt last year, left tackle Max

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Speaker 1: Crosby and a bunch of kids.

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Speaker 8: The prot to me, I would not move him, So is.

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Speaker 9: Max gonna sit in front of the team and be like,

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Speaker 9: I'm the leader. Well, you just said you want you

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Speaker 9: demanded a trade two months ago. Man, are you talking

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Speaker 9: about Glazer reported it multiple people and then he's like,

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Speaker 9: get me out of here.

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Speaker 8: Is that leadership?

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Speaker 1: I think Max's viewed as a leader was they have

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Speaker 1: ten draft picks, they're gonna get young real fast. They

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Speaker 1: need a leader.

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Speaker 8: Nando Mendoza is a leader.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he is. And he's also twenty three. Jmck of

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Speaker 1: the news.

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Speaker 5: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 5: Herd line.

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Speaker 1: You know, everybody's afraid to say this. Maybe Darren Peterson

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Speaker 1: of Kansas shouldn't go number one. I gotta be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, so I went back. We went back to

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Speaker 1: number one picks. We're going to do this next NFL

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Speaker 1: and NBA number one picks that had a major red flag.

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't draft Aaron Peterson number one. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: that next.

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Speaker 5: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 5: and noon Easter not a Empacific listen.

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Speaker 1: I've said with the NFL, don't nitpick Fernando Mendoza. There

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Speaker 1: are no red flags. Fernando Mendoza size, arm, competitiveness, gratitude, humility, commitment.

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Speaker 1: No red flags in the NBA. There was no red

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Speaker 1: flags for Ady Wemby, Ron Cooper flag Tim Duncan. There's

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Speaker 1: no red flags. But Darren Peterson at Kansas. Kansas was

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Speaker 1: better winning percentage wise when he didn't play. Kansas was

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Speaker 1: nine and two when he didn't play, they were fifteen

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Speaker 1: to nine when he did. That worries me. He plays

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Speaker 1: in a silo and he kind of plays for himself.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't you know, he doesn't elevate anybody else. He

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Speaker 1: has no assists. The other thing is major durability issues.

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Speaker 1: And I mean like ankle miss games because of cramps, ankle, hammy.

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Speaker 1: He missed it for a multitude of reasons. So he's

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Speaker 1: gotten to me multiple red flags. If you're getting hurt

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Speaker 1: in college basketball, what happens when you triple your games

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Speaker 1: and go NBA basketball and the guys are just bigger

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Speaker 1: and stronger, they're older men. So the durability stuff worries me.

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Speaker 1: And again he you're gonna find that basketball players who

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Speaker 1: elevate others are usually social animals. Lebron gets along with everybody.

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Speaker 1: I mean Luke Cannard and Lebron. Lebron is playful. Steph

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Speaker 1: Curry is playful. Is that magic? Johnson was playful? You know.

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Speaker 1: Darren Peterson's like, yeah, I'm a loaner. I don't love that.

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Speaker 1: Like I want you to be a guys guy, and

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Speaker 1: everybody kind of gravitates around you. You know, a lot

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Speaker 1: of the great players who elevate others, like Kawhi, Leonard Odd,

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Speaker 1: loaner doesn't average many assists. Why I mean, Luca, by

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Speaker 1: the way, is a good time. Guys like Luca Lucas funny,

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Speaker 1: Lucas ready to hoist a beer at any one point,

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Speaker 1: open a pack of smokes. But Luca is also a

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Speaker 1: great passer that elevates other by the way, Kobe could

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Speaker 1: be a little bit of a loaner was difficult. Kobe

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Speaker 1: didn't necessarily elevate others. Michael Jordan, you know, he's just

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Speaker 1: the greatest offensive player I've ever seen, So maybe that

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Speaker 1: doesn't count. But a lot of the guys that elevate others,

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Speaker 1: it starts with the personality. It starts with they just

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Speaker 1: ingratiate themselves. This kid's like, I'm a loner. They were

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Speaker 1: nine to two without him worst winning percentage with him.

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Speaker 1: There's durability issues. That's a lot of red flags, and

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Speaker 1: I'll just give it now. You could have red flags,

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Speaker 1: but if you're a number one in a loaded draft,

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Speaker 1: it worries me. I said this I yesterday. It would

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Speaker 1: keep me up at night as a GM. So let's

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Speaker 1: go to the NFL. Bryce Young number one pick, major

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Speaker 1: red flag, he's undersized, Jameis Winston reckless, Sam Bradford, college injuries,

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Speaker 1: JaMarcus Russell immature. In fact, the Lions basically called Matt Millen,

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Speaker 1: called Al Davis and said, don't pick of number one.

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Speaker 1: David Carr didn't play elite competition in only one huge year.

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Speaker 1: Tim Couch kind of a gunslinger, not real mobile, limited athletically,

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Speaker 1: Kajnick Carter medical issues, Jeff George maturity. Well they all

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Speaker 1: all of those have been true. You go to basketball

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Speaker 1: number one picks, Zachariah Resa sche Atlanta. What did they say,

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Speaker 1: not really an elite athlete? Well he's not DeAndre eight

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Speaker 1: And at Arizona they were like, not engaged at all defensively,

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Speaker 1: a lobsided player. Well, not a leader. Markel Foltz, where

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Speaker 1: do I start? Ben Simmons can't shoot. Anthony Bennett, you know,

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Speaker 1: undersized power forward, played crappy competition. Greg Odin, not a

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Speaker 1: polished offensive game. Kwame Brown, he's a high schooler. Michael

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Speaker 1: Olowa Kandi again, you know, bad competition. He went to Pacific.

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Speaker 1: They all they all became that, they all played themselves out.

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Speaker 1: So I mean again, I'm not saying Darren Peterson won't

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Speaker 1: be a good NBA player. But if you're a numbernumber

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Speaker 1: one pick lebron Ad Wemby, there's no red flags. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my concern about Wemby is he's so tall, Like honestly,

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Speaker 1: as a body built to be seven four, can he

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Speaker 1: stay healthy? You fall to the floor when you're seven four.

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Speaker 1: It's a little different than six four. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: Peterson I got durability stuff. He kind of plays in

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Speaker 1: a silo. He's kind of a loner.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a decent guy and Bill self likes him.

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Speaker 1: But the red flags almost always bear themselves out. You know,

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Speaker 1: Peyton manning number one pick, there weren't a lot of

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Speaker 1: red flags. You know, wasn't Aydan hutcheson a number one pick?

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Speaker 1: If I recall, was he or no? He wasn't He's

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Speaker 1: been great for Detroit. I don't remember. I guess Aiden

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Speaker 1: wasn't a number one pick.

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Speaker 9: Colin can I bring up he was number two to

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Speaker 9: compare to Darren Peterson.

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Speaker 8: So I don't know if you remember the Anthony Edwards draft.

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Speaker 9: It was like Lamello ball, James Wise been Anthony Edwards,

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Speaker 9: and there was this Anthony Edwards doesn't love basketball narra

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Speaker 9: I went to Georgia, put up some empty stats, got

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Speaker 9: like twenty nine percent from three, but he loved football.

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Speaker 9: That was his love, and people shied off Anthony Edwards

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Speaker 9: and he fell to Minnesota five years later as Anthony

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Speaker 9: Edwards like going to be the face of the NBA,

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Speaker 9: Like I think we need to.

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Speaker 1: Chill a little bit of time out aunt Edwards. Nobody

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Speaker 1: questioned his durability, is athletic ability his town, there were

644
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Speaker 1: no red flags. There were It's kind of I thought

645
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Speaker 1: it was kind of a weak red flag. He may

646
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: like football more than basketball. That wasn't what you call it.

647
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Speaker 8: Saying the right things at the time to the draft.

648
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Speaker 1: Up to the draft, eighteen nineteen year old kids don't

649
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: always say that. I agree, I totally agree. And Edwards

650
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: didn't have major, red flag, no major. That was a

651
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: terrible draft. And by the way, the guy with the

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00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: red flags, Lonzo wasn't it Lonzo Bowl?

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Speaker 8: Well it was LaMelo Ball, LaMelo ball. LaMelo was illy.

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00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: He's not gonna play defense, a show boat.

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Speaker 8: Years later he's awesome and and they're going to.

656
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: Later he's not the best player on his team, the

657
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: rookie from Dukes.

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Speaker 9: That's true, that's true. But I mean, I'm this this

659
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Speaker 9: Peterson stuff. Are we calling the major red flags or

660
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 9: just red flag?

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00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 8: Major? Is like he made he did in trouble with

662
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 8: the law.

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00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: He missed eleven games.

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Speaker 3: He did.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he had some problem.

666
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 9: He had some cramping issues that I think his camp

667
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 9: was nervous about and they were like, hey, slow down,

668
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 9: we got the NBA at I.

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Speaker 1: Think there's I think there are I think durability issues.

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Speaker 8: So how far do you think he falls? Like I

671
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Speaker 8: understand one, I would agree.

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00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: A cuff is unbelievable, explode exploded. Now people say, well,

673
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: Darius Akoff doesn't play defense. That's not a huge concern

674
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: for a six to two guy. When DeAndre Aiden came out,

675
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: DeAndre Aiden was at Arizona. He's a big Yeah, he

676
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: should be a rim protect people like he didn't even

677
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: like defense. He's moody. Those are red flags. A six

678
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: to two guard that doesn't defend, well, that's not a

679
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: red flag. That's a six two guys in the NBA.

680
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: Chris Paul is an exception. Generally aren't great defensive players.

681
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: It's a big man's game. So to me, what do

682
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Speaker 1: I consider? I guess what you're asking. What is a

683
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: red flag? Okay, durability huge red flag?

684
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Speaker 9: But how do we know durability for a nineteen year

685
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 9: old like he was after the issues early in the season,

686
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 9: he was healthy the last month and change two months

687
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 9: or whatever and put up good numbers. He was outstanding

688
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 9: against Saint John's, brought him back.

689
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: He did not take over the game against Saint John's.

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Speaker 9: Well, he kind of brought They were down seven and

691
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 9: then he ended up tying it up. He was good,

692
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 9: He was really good, and he was a one man

693
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Speaker 9: show because the rest of that team was putrid.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: You're making it sound like I don't know if you

696
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 9: take him top five?

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Speaker 1: Are you saying no? No, I'm just saying I just

698
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: gave you NFL College number one pick. If you get

699
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Speaker 1: red flags, Chris Listen, Chris Brussard, who's talking to NBA people, Roussillo,

700
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: Ryan Roussillo basically had talked to a GM's like, I'm

701
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: not taking him number one. Durability is a huge red flag.

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Speaker 1: They were better nine and two when he didn't play,

703
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: did not play, Yeah, well with time out. That's not

704
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: the way it should work. That's why I say when

705
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: Yo Kic doesn't play for Denver, like they're not good.

706
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: Like there there are there are players who kind of

707
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: play in a silo, play for themselves. There's there's an

708
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit of a Kawhi thing where

709
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: like Kawhi kind of a loner, doesn't necessarily elevate others,

710
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: but is a great shop maker and to get a

711
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: get a stop guy. So Kawhi is a great player,

712
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Speaker 1: But Kawhi there was some he was a little you know,

713
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: he was a kind of a he's kind of an

714
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: odd guy. And I think so, I think Coawhi is great,

715
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: but I think all the concerns early about you can't

716
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: really he's not a franchise guy. He didn't have the personality.

717
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: You can't depend on them. There's durability issues. I mean Kawhi.

718
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: Leonard is a great example. If Kawhi didn't have a

719
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: durability issue, even with his odd personality, we'd be talking

720
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Speaker 1: about one of the ten best players we've ever seen.

721
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Speaker 1: You just don't know what he's gonna play. He's an

722
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Speaker 1: un He is, in my opinion, the closest thing to

723
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Speaker 1: kind of Jordan in terms of hand sized, defensive man pressure,

724
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Speaker 1: the ability to get a mid range jumper Collison insane talent,

725
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: but personality off putting. Durability major red flag, and they

726
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Speaker 1: bear themselves out. Here's Bruchard on Darren Peterson.

727
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Speaker 7: Peterson's obviously got a bright future, but the red flags

728
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 7: are glaring. Colin like just missing so many games for

729
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 7: bizarre or hidden reasons. I hesitate to overreact to one

730
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Speaker 7: tournament game, but look, he'll be a top five pick

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Speaker 7: without question, and he should.

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Speaker 1: But there are some other guys that I.

733
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Speaker 7: Don't have the same reservations about.

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Speaker 1: He did not have a single assist against Saint John's.

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Speaker 9: That is a that's a he doesn't doesn't he doesn't

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Speaker 9: play those others. He plays for himself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know there's a I'm telling you man, this,

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Speaker 1: this a cup kid is special.

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Speaker 8: Yeah h