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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Goo.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Stealer Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 3: Audio Network here on a Thursday, West Shuoler and Matt

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Speaker 3: Williamson with you for the next two hours, with plenty

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Speaker 3: to get into. We've got the Steelers' latest practice report

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Speaker 3: and there is I think some Aaron Rodgers tea leaves

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Speaker 3: in there.

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Speaker 4: Matt, I think.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna talk to our buddy Bob Labriola in

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Speaker 3: about fifteen twenty minutes get all his thoughts on els Green.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to poke his brain about Elsie from

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Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Of course, it's a big Matt stats day here on

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Speaker 3: Thursday as well, but I think it would only be

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Speaker 3: appropriate where we have to begin today, Matt. Of course,

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Speaker 3: today is November twentieth, and it is the birthday of

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Speaker 3: our late brother Dale Lolly, Yeah, who we lost just

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Speaker 3: a few months ago. I do believe, all right, correct

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Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong, give me a little grace here,

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Speaker 3: but I do believe Dale would have been fifty seven today.

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Speaker 4: I think so. I could probably take up the year

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Speaker 4: here in a minute but I'm fifty two, semi soon

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Speaker 4: to be fifty three, and we did not overlap at

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Speaker 4: Pitt Johnstown together because well, he left the year I

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Speaker 4: after I came.

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Speaker 3: He was like a senior in college when you were

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Speaker 3: a senior in high school.

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Speaker 4: I think, no, no, no, no, we weren't well.

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Speaker 3: Because then he would have yeah, might freshman.

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Speaker 4: I can't remember if it took him four or five

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Speaker 4: years because he transferred from Pitt Titusville's right, yeah, it's right.

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Speaker 4: We were never on campus together. It just missed.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so about four or five years apart, but

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Speaker 3: that sounds right. Today today would have been Dale's birthday,

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Speaker 3: and we just wanted to start and tell him happy birthday,

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Speaker 3: and we messed. And he's still these still with us

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Speaker 3: every way here and we miss him every single step.

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Speaker 3: And to his wife Amy, to his three awesome kids.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully they're finding some comfort and smiling at some happy

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Speaker 3: memories today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope so too. And the Lawleys also have

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Speaker 4: a GoFundMe page out there too that you mentioned. I

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Speaker 4: would urge people to go check out please. And you know,

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Speaker 4: Dale was obviously was the bread winner in that family,

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Speaker 4: so they could use a little help as well, But no,

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Speaker 4: I missing I missed my buddy. Oh, by the way,

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Speaker 4: it's also Bill Hillgroves birth.

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Speaker 3: Is also Bill Hillgroves. Happy birthday to the legend Bill

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Speaker 4: I think he's eighty five. Today we were contemplating his

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Speaker 4: eighty four.

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Speaker 3: Eighty five, it's I think it's I think it's eighty five.

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Speaker 3: I think you are correct.

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Speaker 4: I think Billy and Dale, believe it or not, had

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Speaker 4: a drink or two on November twentieth from time to time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe just a couple. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: Billy Hillgrove. Just an absolute legend and the guy that

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Speaker 3: we've spent a lot of time working with in the past,

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Speaker 3: be around. And of course, happy heavenly birthday to our

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Speaker 3: guy Dale Lolly missing him every day. We were in

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Speaker 3: our group chat with TV. We were sending back and

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Speaker 3: at all the Latrobe pictures over the years, and all

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Speaker 3: memories that will that we hang on too tightly on

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Speaker 4: One thousand percent. I think that goes without saying. He's

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Speaker 4: my man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and and we miss him every single day,

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Speaker 3: And happy birthday to Dale and hopefully he's looking down

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Speaker 3: in his absence. Matt I mentioned some tea leaves on

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Speaker 3: this Steeler's injury report ahead of Sunday's clash with the

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Speaker 3: Chicago Bears, of course at Soldier Field, and the one

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Speaker 3: that everybody wants to know. Aaron Rodgers today Thursday day

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Speaker 3: limited in practice, did not practice on Wednesday. Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't want to get people too excited or

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Speaker 3: I think that is a good way to say it. Again,

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Speaker 3: nothing guaranteed, right, We will revisit this conversation this time

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Speaker 3: tomorrow about twenty four hours from now.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure he took plenty of snaps and handoffs and

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Speaker 4: I mean get hit today, but I'm sure he did

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Speaker 3: Yes, And so obviously how he feels tomorrow will be

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Speaker 3: by the way, credit to him in that.

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Speaker 4: Regard, including like veteran days off.

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, he's no vet days off, none of that

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Speaker 3: stuff since the season began. Did get one, I think

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Speaker 4: And I don't think this is like a pulling back

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Speaker 3: Of course, I think people would be shocked if he did.

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Speaker 4: Sure. Sure, and if he plays, he'll have something on

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Speaker 3: Also back to the one hundred percent. Also back to

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Speaker 4: That's a good first step and good to see.

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Speaker 3: You don't need full participation all all week from him

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Speaker 4: We knew we wouldn't practice Wednesday. Why would he?

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, exactly right. And Matt for everybody on YouTube,

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Speaker 4: I didn't see that. Okay, great, he's training the right stay.

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Speaker 4: Quite possible, would say yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers day. All three get a Wednesday off. I

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Speaker 3: Albeit we're back at practice today.

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Speaker 4: Veterans with real injuries, they're gonna get a veteran they're

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Speaker 3: Yes, Isaac Sayamalu limited practice again today after being limited yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I would say that was hope. I think that's probably

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he often gets a veteran's day too, so he

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Speaker 4: didn't even get the veterans.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right, exactly right. Let's see here, Darius Slay full

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Speaker 3: participant once again with that concussion. Call Hulcom full participant

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Speaker 3: Keishawn Williams. He was limited yesterday with the concussion. He

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Speaker 4: But they get a chance to be pretty much full.

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Speaker 3: It looks like about as you know, other than the

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Speaker 3: Looks looks like all these guys trending in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: And some some positive news here on a on a

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Speaker 4: Tremaine Edmonds, I haven't seen any of their stuff.

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Speaker 3: Tremaine Edmunds still has not practiced this week with with

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Speaker 3: Two starting off the ball linebackers. Neither one has practiced

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Speaker 3: yet this week. Let's see here Darnell Right, West Virginia's

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Speaker 4: But that's fine.

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Speaker 3: Well, he grew up in West Virginia. Okay, let's not

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Speaker 3: talk about Dana Holgerson refusing to recruit him. He Matt

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Speaker 4: So he was my key matchup when they had the ball.

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Speaker 4: Darnold right, We'll probably talk about him.

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Speaker 3: More top ten pick a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 4: He's really coming in his own in a big way.

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Speaker 3: Really coming to his own in a big way. Imagine

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Speaker 3: He was a full today, have him listed as a full.

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Speaker 3: He was limited yesterday, full today.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so he's a very very good corner. They could

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Speaker 3: We shall see something to keep an eye on there.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, he's a big money guy and you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was limited yesterday, full today, so maybe

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Speaker 3: With we have to Friday's practice reported. Well, yeah, plenty

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Speaker 3: When we return, it's the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: You are tuned about Drive on your twenty four to

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Speaker 1: seven home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: Back on the Drive here on a Thursday, and you

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Speaker 3: know what time it is. It is time to go

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Speaker 3: to the phone lines and talk to the Dean of Doom,

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Speaker 3: the Lord of Living in his fears the great Steelers

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Speaker 3: historian Bob Labriola, Labs, thank you for taking the time.

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Speaker 3: As always, we do want to get your thoughts on

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Speaker 3: the Steelers' current status of their quarterbacks, the win against

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Speaker 3: the Bengals, the game in Chicago this weekend, all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But first, you know, Matt and I yesterday spent a

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Speaker 3: segment talking about Elsie Greenwood, his candidacy for the Hall

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Speaker 3: of Fame, one of nine semi finalists for the senior

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Speaker 3: Class group here in twenty twenty six, and both Matt

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Speaker 3: Well, hopefully it does all work out for him. Would

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Speaker 3: Not yet?

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Speaker 4: I was thinking the wife and I might go this weekend. Yeah,

437
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Speaker 4: I I assumed you would have been there by now.

438
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Speaker 3: I think I've only been to one movie post Code

439
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 3: in the feed Oppenheimer, because I was like, I gotta

440
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: see I gotta see this. Yeah, remember when that a

441
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Speaker 3: bombs going off? I want to feel it in my chair.

442
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Speaker 4: I'm not a big movie goo.

443
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Speaker 3: It was for my teenage years and in my twenties

444
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 3: I was a huge moviegoer. But I you know, the

445
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Speaker 3: last five six.

446
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Speaker 4: Years I got young kids.

447
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Speaker 3: I can wait, Yeah, I would.

448
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's not that long to wait,

449
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 4: especially now. Yeah, but I'm doing to show it pur

450
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Speaker 4: suit at night. I'm gonna ask him if it's I'm

451
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Speaker 4: sure he's gone.

452
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Speaker 3: I Rob King has seen it. Who else on the

453
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Speaker 3: plane was I talk to? Maybe Richie Walsh, Katyk Richie Walsh.

454
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Speaker 3: I think he might have been the other one. So yeah,

455
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Speaker 3: I would like to see it, certainly. I'm not a

456
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Speaker 3: not a huge movie guy. There's that new Leo movie

457
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Speaker 3: that I want to uh that I want to watch

458
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Speaker 3: as well.

459
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Speaker 4: All that stuff I can wait nine at ten times.

460
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I can always wait.

461
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: One battle after another. That new Leo movie looks awesome.

462
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I just I'm patient. Now I don't need

463
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Speaker 3: to like I used to. Man, there was a movie

464
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 3: theater by where I grew up five dollars movie Mondays

465
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Speaker 3: like me and my buddies. Me and my buddies were

466
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Speaker 3: there every every Monday. But yes, it is Stat's packets time,

467
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Speaker 3: Ye's taking How did we get to the You asked

468
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Speaker 3: me about the Springsteen movie something something. Yeah, that's what

469
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to do in Chicago this weekend.

470
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Speaker 4: That, oh you might as well, Matt.

471
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Speaker 3: Let's jump into it here, Steelers Bears. It's a beefy

472
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Speaker 3: stats packet. That's how we round about way of uh

473
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Speaker 3: of getting there. And this one is very interesting to me.

474
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh's two point three yards after contact per rush attempt

475
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Speaker 3: is seventh highest in the NFL. Yeah, but just one

476
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Speaker 3: point four yards before contact per per rush attempt is

477
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Speaker 3: sixth lowest.

478
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Speaker 4: So then implies the blockings bad and the runners are good.

479
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 4: And maybe that's the short end of it. But I

480
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Speaker 4: also watching especially the last five games, I don't think

481
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 4: the run blocking is bad though, you know what I mean.

482
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Speaker 4: Warren is one of the best after the after the

483
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Speaker 4: after contact runners in the league. Frankly, you know I

484
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Speaker 4: mean that that pbably shouldn't shock people. Now. What hurts

485
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Speaker 4: his stats a little is he won't bounce off a

486
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Speaker 4: tackler and take it sixty through inflate one. But he

487
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Speaker 4: consistently gets yardage after contact consistently. Sure, So I think

488
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Speaker 4: that's not misleading because when we have a pretty big

489
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Speaker 4: body of work, but I think it leans a little

490
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Speaker 4: the bad parts. I think lean more towards the beginning

491
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Speaker 4: of the season. Just running in the back of your lineman,

492
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Speaker 4: not having holes, that kind of thing.

493
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Speaker 3: I think there is a a kind of clear point

494
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Speaker 3: there where it started to get better for the Steers. Yeah, yeah, run.

495
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Speaker 3: It might have started in Dublin with Kenneth Gainwell and

496
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: that nine goal, that ninety nine yard rushing performance, and

497
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Speaker 3: then out of the bye week you really build on

498
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Speaker 3: that and that blowout win at home against the Browns.

499
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Speaker 3: What game was it recently? Was it Packers Colts? But

500
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Speaker 3: one of the recent games I remember it was one

501
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Speaker 3: of our Tuesday rewind things that we discussed was I

502
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Speaker 3: think Jayalen Woren had like sixty some yards rushing. It

503
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Speaker 3: wasn't putrid, but right right, it was in massive. It

504
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 3: wasn't the varsity number that we were looking for either.

505
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 3: And I remember telling you, like, you go back and

506
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 3: you watch and it's it's bizarre because it's not like

507
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 3: the offensive line is getting pushed back. They're playing much better,

508
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: but there's still too much contact. Is Matt is part

509
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: of it? Maybe the Steelers not stretching the field as much.

510
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 3: Things are closer to the line of scrimmage. So even

511
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: if the linemen army safeties are key and downhill, linebackers

512
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: are keying downhill some.

513
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 4: Hill somewhat, but there's always extra attention to metcalf side.

514
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 4: The Steelers do face a lot of too high safeties,

515
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: so it's not like it's this massive, loaded box that

516
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 4: just is unblockable either. Frankly, I think they need to

517
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 4: run about more, and starting with this week, but I've

518
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 4: said that for a couple of weeks in a row.

519
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: I'd like see more volume.

520
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Speaker 3: I would too, And it's again, this is another one

521
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Speaker 3: of those where the numbers don't necessarily match the eye test.

522
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Speaker 3: You know this. I do the halftime reports on the

523
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: Steelers broadcasts, so things are a little crazy in the

524
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Speaker 3: front half. I'm doing my engineering.

525
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Speaker 4: Job, yeah, trying to watch a game, trying to.

526
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Speaker 3: Watch the game and take notes on my laptop as

527
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 3: the game goes along, because you know you and I

528
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: got to do a show twenty four hours twenty four

529
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Speaker 3: hours later. So when I sit down at halftime to

530
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Speaker 3: do the show, I've got like two minutes of you know,

531
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Speaker 3: Tom in my ear, like two minutes here ninety seconds here,

532
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 3: and I'm always quickly trying to just double check the scoring, like, Okay,

533
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 3: that was a forty seven yarder from Boswell, right, and

534
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: it was a that was the second drive of the

535
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Speaker 3: game when Aaron Rodgers found dk Metcalfe a touchdown.

536
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

537
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Speaker 3: And it's the first time that I look at the

538
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Speaker 3: stats really as well too.

539
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: It really dig in, right, And it seems like I

540
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Speaker 4: have the box scorer up while I'm watching at home,

541
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Speaker 4: and you know.

542
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Speaker 3: It seems like the last couple of weeks I've immediately thought, man,

543
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Speaker 3: we're not run the ball enough. They're not giving Jayalen

544
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: Warn enough carries. But then I look at this, I

545
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: look at this the box score, and it's like, oh,

546
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Speaker 3: he's got eight carries in the first half. That's I'd

547
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Speaker 3: like it to be ten.

548
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

549
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's not terrible.

550
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 4: It's not hideous, right, But.

551
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Speaker 3: It doesn't necessarily always it doesn't always seem like that,

552
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 3: And I think it's part of that, maybe because it.

553
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Speaker 4: Doesn't seem like they're just building off it and one

554
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Speaker 4: after another.

555
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Speaker 3: It hasn't been an early dry I think it's been

556
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: more so laid into the first quarter into the second quarter,

557
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Speaker 3: as opposed to bang. Here's a heavy dose of thirty

558
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Speaker 3: right out of the gate, right on the opening drive.

559
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel that way too. I don't have the numbers.

560
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, total vibes, right.

561
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Speaker 4: I think that's accurate. I do you.

562
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Speaker 3: Want the good news? Sure, the Chicago Bears allowed two

563
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: point sixty five yards per contact per rush. Yeah, the

564
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Speaker 3: worst in the national force.

565
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Speaker 4: Right, that was that before contact or after? For that?

566
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Speaker 4: Before contacts? I would say they're They're not super stout upfront.

567
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Speaker 4: I mean, they have some athletes. They have some guys

568
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Speaker 4: with good length. They have some decent pass rushers dexter

569
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Speaker 4: I like sweat, et cetera. Their linebackers hit well, both

570
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Speaker 4: of whom are on the injury report, but they're not

571
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Speaker 4: big power stout banging it the line of scrimmage guy,

572
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Speaker 4: which is a huge reason why I think this week,

573
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Speaker 4: but I've said this for a couple of weeks, I'd

574
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Speaker 4: really like to see a more dedication to the run game, because,

575
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Speaker 4: much like the Chargers, the run defense is problematic for them.

576
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Speaker 4: I mean the Bengals.

577
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Speaker 3: Everything's yes, yes it is, and the Bears are not

578
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Speaker 3: much better.

579
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Speaker 4: They're better, no, right, They're closer to the Bengals than

580
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Speaker 4: the Chargers.

581
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Speaker 3: Honestly, though, the thing that saves the Bengals from or

582
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Speaker 3: the part of me, the thing that saves the Bears

583
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: from having the Bengals type reputation is their defense takes

584
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Speaker 3: the ball away at a crazy high level.

585
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Speaker 4: Massive.

586
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Speaker 3: They surrender yards, they surrender points, just like Cincinnati, but

587
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Speaker 3: they take the ball away. They've got the most ridiculous

588
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Speaker 3: in the league, right.

589
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Speaker 4: And a lot. Yeah they are, and I mean them

590
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Speaker 4: and the Steelers are the best two.

591
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Speaker 3: Yes, really wanted to.

592
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Speaker 4: Part of me thinks this game. I don't have a

593
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Speaker 4: great vibe for this game in terms of predictions yet,

594
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Speaker 4: and part of me just thinks it's as simple as

595
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 4: who's better in turnover ratio. But that's kind of an

596
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 4: arbitrary thing, especially with two teams that are so good

597
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Speaker 4: at it. It's different if it's like Steelers are top

598
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 4: league team, ex at the bottom of league, you got

599
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 4: a better chance to win that, you know, that important category.

600
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Speaker 4: But I will say I think the Steelers offense and

601
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 4: the numbers don't one hundred percent reflect it value the

602
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 4: football better than Chicago's offense. Williams is a pretty big

603
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 4: risk taker, you know, I mean their ball carriers. I

604
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: wouldn't trust them as much as the Steelers to secure

605
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 4: the ball as much. Obviously, that's a Tomlin thing forever.

606
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: You know, ball security, and they stress it here a ton,

607
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: not that the Bears don't. And I also the numbers

608
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: also don't reflect this. I mean, the Bears have to

609
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 4: have more takeaways than the Steelers and more takeaways than everybody,

610
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: and it's really impressive. But I also think the takeaways

611
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Speaker 4: the If you ask me what's the first component to

612
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 4: being a good takeaway defense, the first might be luck,

613
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Speaker 4: But that is side pass rush. Yeah, that's where I

614
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: was going to start with. Yeah, I went pass rushers

615
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 4: to force the quarterback to get it out of his hands,

616
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 4: maybe make a decision faster than he wants to, certainly

617
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: get hit while he throws. How many strip sacks have

618
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 4: we seen from Watt and her Big over the years?

619
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Speaker 4: And no question in my mind, the Steelers pass rushers

620
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: are better than the Bears pass rushers.

621
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't think many people would argue that.

622
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 4: I mean, that's pretty cut and dry.

623
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Speaker 3: I tell you what, though, when you just look at

624
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: it on paper, it's impressive. Steelers have eight takeaways this season.

625
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: That's fourth in the league. Yeah, Tampa Bay has nine,

626
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: just one ahead of them for third. Rams have ten,

627
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: just two ahead of them for second. Bears have sixteen.

628
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: I know they got double. The Steelers are in fourth,

629
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 3: the Bears are in first. They have double the amount

630
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Speaker 3: of the Steelers takeaways.

631
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Speaker 4: Right and they have ten games four or five guys

632
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: four interceptions.

633
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: That's impressive.

634
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

635
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: And again, as you mentioned, pass rush being a big

636
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: part of it, Steelers are third in the league in sacks,

637
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: so fourth. One of the things you and I talked

638
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: about preseason. By the way, we want the Steelers to

639
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: be top three in sacks, top three and turnovers third

640
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: and sacks third and sacks right now, fourth and turnovers.

641
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yah, you're in the neighborhood. It's great, right there.

642
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 4: Their second and quarterback hits second.

643
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: QB hits the Bears. However, Matt, their passwords is okay,

644
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: it's it's okay, but it is.

645
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: I know it's a mediocre.

646
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to do about the math here, but

647
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: it's about twentieth in the league.

648
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, six seven, eight, stuff in the middle.

649
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 3: I don't exactly twentieth. Okay, there we go.

650
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 4: It's so I don't put stuff in the middle. That's

651
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Speaker 4: stat package, you know, like what's the difference between twenty

652
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 4: and I think.

653
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: That makes it even more impressive, the way they're taking

654
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Speaker 3: away the ball when you consider they're not doing it

655
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Speaker 3: with an elite pass.

656
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Speaker 4: Rush and they've I'm sure they stressed it as much

657
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Speaker 4: as anyone. But I'm not going to say that they're

658
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: fluky or lucky and the Steelers are good. They're both really, really,

659
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 4: really really good at That's not what I mean, but

660
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,239
Speaker 4: it's not theirs is a little bit harder to put

661
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: your finger on as to how they've been so good

662
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 4: at it. I guess is the way it put.

663
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: I think that's a great way to state it.

664
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Speaker 4: Now, this is not disrespecting the opponent, but they've also

665
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: played bad teams. And then I mean, they're they're on

666
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 4: a great winning streak in the first place they are,

667
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 4: but their resume of wins doesn't blow you away.

668
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Speaker 3: So this is one of those football dork things. If

669
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Speaker 3: you'll just indulge me, if you'll oblige me for a

670
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: second here, Matt Williamson, because I did a segment today

671
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: on the Steelers Standard with Jacob and ed here on

672
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network, and that was something that Jacob

673
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: brought up as well too. Look at how bad their

674
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: schedule's been. You know they they lost to the Ravens

675
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: even without by two touchdowns, without Lamar being back in

676
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: the fold yet, and I agree with that. You look

677
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: at their schedule. It's not Murderer's roll. No, no, no,

678
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: I mean it's been on.

679
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Speaker 4: It's just like they beat the Eagles, Seahawks and Rams.

680
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 3: You know it's been. It's been a lot of teams

681
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Speaker 3: with losing records. I also though, hesitate and they squeak

682
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 3: them out too.

683
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Speaker 4: I mean they're tight wins.

684
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Speaker 3: No doubt. And they've got they finished last place in

685
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Speaker 3: the division last year. They've got the last play schedule,

686
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: and that's a real look matters. Look how tough the

687
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: chief schedule is. Look how tough the Texans schedule.

688
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 4: Is the reason the Patriots and going to shape his another.

689
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: Great example, another great example. I also though, hesitate to

690
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: put a ton of stock into that because it's the

691
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: National Football League. Oh yeah, like it's it's not Ohio

692
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 3: State versus Akron.

693
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Speaker 4: No, you know, it wasn't like they were fifteen point

694
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Speaker 4: dogs and Earth favorites in all these games. Either.

695
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Speaker 3: Yes, I so I do agree that their schedule has

696
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: been easier, but I also don't think that that's just

697
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: they're fake, their fugazi. Their offense isn't really that good.

698
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: They just haven't played anybody.

699
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Speaker 4: I'm not there either, Yeah, I mean there there's a

700
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 4: lot of positive vibes around the organization, the offense, the

701
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 4: coaching staff, quarterback. I think I said this yesterday. It's

702
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 4: probably the best time in Bears history since Dick to

703
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 4: be a Bears fan. I mean in terms of optimism,

704
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 4: and you know with.

705
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 3: That long term. Rex Grossman took him to a super Bowl.

706
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: Jake Cutler took him to an moment here and there,

707
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: but those were moments.

708
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: They were moments.

709
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: Now it's like, if we've got Caleb and Ben Johnson

710
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: for the next twelve years.

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00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 4: We might be the best team in this really good division.

712
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 4: Yeah oh yeah, right right.

713
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Speaker 3: Just a real quick mat before we get back to

714
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: the stats. This just jumped off the screen at me

715
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: talking about sacks and takeaways and all those things. So

716
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: Steelers third in the NFL and Sackson thirty three. Yeah,

717
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: Falcon second with four. They used to be for them,

718
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 3: is like, oh, it's the best they've been in our lifetime. Yeah, really,

719
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: I mean then they've ever been.

720
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

721
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: So Steelers at thirty three, Falcons at thirty four, third

722
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: in second place there respectively, the Broncos in first place.

723
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 4: Forty nine forty nine.

724
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Speaker 3: They're fifteen ahead of the second place team.

725
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 4: Now, Atlanta has an entire.

726
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: Miles guarant season work sex to.

727
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 4: This point, So cumulative stats I always want to look

728
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 4: then you have your buy or not. But we're pretty

729
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: far into it. I mean, if it's nine games verse ten,

730
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 4: that's different than five verse four, you know what I.

731
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: Mean, that's why. But there, I know they haven't had

732
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: their buy yet, but that's why.

733
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 4: Still insane and Atlanta. I think Atlanta's buy is coming

734
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 4: up this week. But still teen more sacks and they

735
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 4: led the league last year, yes, and their number one

736
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: quarterback hits you know, and Steelers are second. But I

737
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 4: think they have like twelve more than the Steelers. I mean,

738
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 4: so yeah, it's an elite pass rush in Denver.

739
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: It's crazy. It really.

740
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Speaker 4: The hope of leading the league in sacks is probably

741
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 4: going to be let's go for second.

742
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: I'm good with that. And oddly enough, Denver is in

743
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: the back half of of their their turnover differential because

744
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 3: they're turning it over the turn I think. And yeah,

745
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: so actually here, part of me, what I was reading

746
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: off with the takeaway numbers was just the differential. Yeah, yeah,

747
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: part of me there Bears have twenty two, not sixteen.

748
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 3: Steelers have eighteen. So it's not that big. It's not.

749
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: But that was the way I apologize Earlier I was

750
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: looking at the differential.

751
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 4: But still now the Bears differentials by far the best, by.

752
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: Far the best, but still twenty two takeaways. The Steelers

753
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 3: tied for second with eighteen even four more like that's

754
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 3: it's still a lot substantial number. Yeah, substantial number. Yeah,

755
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 3: the Bears, I mean, the.

756
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 4: Two best teams in terms of turnovers across the board,

757
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: but especially takeaways.

758
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: The Bears have also only, in ten games coughed up

759
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 3: the ball six times, second best in the NFL behind

760
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Speaker 3: on the Eagle. Only the Eagles have done it less.

761
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Speaker 4: But the second your quarterback. Pretty impressive and a brand

762
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Speaker 4: new head coach.

763
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Speaker 3: Offense, right, a lot.

764
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: Of those guys weren't even there last year, so pretty

765
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 4: impressive stuff.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Matt, let's get into another stat or two here

767
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Speaker 3: before we break for the first hour for the halftime

768
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Speaker 3: gun here, and then get back into it on the

769
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Speaker 3: other side. This kind of plays into some of the

770
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Speaker 3: run game conversation. Aaron Rodgers has thrown almost thirty one

771
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Speaker 3: percent of his passes thirty point eight percent of his

772
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Speaker 3: passes at or behind the line of scribbage. That's the

773
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Speaker 3: second highest rate in the league, A league low.

774
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Speaker 4: Gabriels Won, by the way.

775
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 3: Not the company that you're looking right right, A league low.

776
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: Forty five percent of Aaron Rodgers passes have been five

777
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: or more yards down field league average fifty five point

778
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: one percent, so about ten percent less than the league. Noticeably,

779
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: he's attempted twenty four percent of his pass is ten

780
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 3: plus yards downfield, lowest rate in the NFL league average

781
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Speaker 3: is thirty three percent.

782
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 4: That's the one that bothers me most. I don't mind

783
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Speaker 4: the quick throws at at the line of scrimmage. You

784
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 4: know RPOs or you oh, your corner's playing off that

785
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: that I'm gonna steal six yards off your right off

786
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 4: you gotta tackle Metcalf or Warren or whoever. But I

787
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 4: think so, I would say week three or four would

788
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Speaker 4: be doing Matt's stats, and it would be, well, Rogers

789
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: has the lowest average depth of target in the league,

790
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 4: and I would correct people and I'd be like, it's

791
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 4: not last, it's the fewest. I mean, like people like, oh,

792
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 4: they're last in the league in eight.

793
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: Autumn a takeaway statistic.

794
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 4: No, No, it's not like points scored, you know, like,

795
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: whoever's the yards rushed, right, Yeah, whoever's thrown at the

796
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 4: deepest doesn't mean they're the best quarterback.

797
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: In the league exactly right. They're having Gary success, right.

798
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 4: Like, it's not like it's Mahomes and Allen are one

799
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Speaker 4: and two and then there's no Bill.

800
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Speaker 3: Gabors perfect way. There's no one way to skin that cat.

801
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 4: One thousand percent. So there's a lot of different approaches,

802
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 4: but I think we are getting to the point where

803
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 4: if you want to be a playoff team that makes noise,

804
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: you got to be more intermediate driven. And yeah, I

805
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 4: think more is needed from the passing game away from

806
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage. And the stat I uncovered this

807
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 4: week that I had not put in there before was

808
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 4: there's a stat now that they're they've been charting, which

809
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: I think is really meaningful is yards to the sticks.

810
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 4: So if it's first and ten and you throw a

811
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Speaker 4: six yard pass, you're minus four, gotcha. If it's first

812
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 4: and ten you throw a fourteen yard pass, your plus four.

813
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 4: So it's not like everybody's mind.

814
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 3: Start and four and you pick up seven yards plus three.

815
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 4: Plus three air yards. Doesn't matter where the ball, just

816
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 4: where the target is. Like Alex Smith was always known

817
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: for always throwing short of the sticks. Sure, well, it

818
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 4: doesn't matter down in distance, but the Steelers as a team,

819
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 4: obviously ninety eight percent of it. Rogers is the one

820
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 4: pull in the trigger, but he's not the only one

821
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 4: to blame. Are the shortest of the sticks. They're like

822
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 4: three point eight yards or something on average. Throw before

823
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Speaker 4: the sticks. That could be first down, that could be

824
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Speaker 4: second and twenty. I mean, it's not all third down stuff.

825
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 4: But I think that needs to change, you know, like

826
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: i'd that one isn't directly whoever is the highest is

827
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 4: the best either. But I don't think you want to

828
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 4: be the lowest there either, you know what I mean.

829
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Speaker 3: You're looking for a middle ground, Yeah, yeah, yeah, of

830
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: not being one dimensional, not being predictable, being able to

831
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 3: get it anyway you want it.

832
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, right, right.

833
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: When it's like you said, when it's first and ten

834
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: and you could pick up an easy six yards, take

835
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: it great.

836
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 4: But when it's that's stealing. Great, When it's.

837
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: Second and four and you could pick up fifteen yards.

838
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 4: Do it, yeah exactly. Or hey, it's third and two

839
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: and you complete a three yard pass. Great. I mean,

840
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 4: I don't mind are passing if it gets the job done.

841
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 4: But the world's catching on too. Yes, they are a

842
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 4: little more aggression I think is needed.

843
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 3: Especially at this point in the season. All the film

844
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 3: is out there, all the studies have been done, all

845
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: the stats packets compiled. Speaking of which, before we go

846
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: to break, I meant to mention this one with our

847
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: turnovers and sacks and takeaways conversation, Steelers average five point

848
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: one sacks plus takeaways per game. Really really good, really good,

849
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: second second best in the NFL.

850
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 4: That's just a defensive stat, folks, that's not what you allow.

851
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: Yes, Chicago is allowing league low two point two sacks

852
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 3: plus giveaways per game. Another one of those absolutely game

853
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 3: within the game things to keep an eye on, and a.

854
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 4: Lot of that's Williams used to be the most sacked

855
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 4: guy going.

856
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: He is.

857
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: Remember you'd say that TV is doing.

858
00:42:53,520 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 4: He's got tremendously better at tremendously better and as you mentioned,

859
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 4: they don't turn the ball much over on offense either,

860
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 4: so that's part of it right real quick. On Williams,

861
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 4: I was listening to a friend of mine, Ross Tucker.

862
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 4: Him and I used to host podcasts together. Now he's

863
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 4: a great podcast. He has Greg co sell on, who

864
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: I've often referenced, and they were breaking down Williams today

865
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: on their Thursday podcast and Greg's like, he reminds me

866
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 4: of like second year Ben. I'm like, whoa, I mean,

867
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Speaker 4: because they don't really look the same. He's not six',

868
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 4: five he doesn't look like an oak tree in. There

869
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: but he's just like he is so much stronger than

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Speaker 4: people give him credit. For And rob AND i were

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Speaker 4: talking about this today down the facility is, like does

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Speaker 4: anyone ever get this guy in the ground? Anymore i'm, like,

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Speaker 4: yeah he's accelerates. Quick his top speed is really, fast

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Speaker 4: like he used to take so many. SACKS i think

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Speaker 4: because he's so. Talented he's, Like i'm better at everybody out.

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Speaker 4: Here nobody's, geting and now he's, like WELL i, am

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Speaker 4: Maybe i'm still better than some of these. DUDES i

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Speaker 4: was first picking the, draft BUT i know my. Limitations

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Speaker 4: but he's really really hard to get on the, ground

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Speaker 4: like maybe the best in the league in terms of

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Speaker 4: avoiding hardest to get on the ground behind the line of.

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Speaker 3: Scrimmage you AND i always talk About lar of like

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Speaker 3: when it really took off For Josh allen and For

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Speaker 3: lamar and all these. Guys it's not just when the

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Speaker 3: highlight tape wows. You it's when the low light tape

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Speaker 3: starts to be a very short clip, Massive and For

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Speaker 3: Caleb williams this, year that low light tape has gone

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Speaker 3: from a half an hour YouTube video to about a sixty, second,

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Speaker 3: quick little, short.

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Speaker 4: Probably more so than any quarterback in the league in

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Speaker 4: terms of reducing the low light. Tape it's a good.

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Speaker 3: Call, yeah that's why he went out and Hired Ben,

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Speaker 4: League goes a long, way.

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Speaker 3: As our Friend. Dale guys are allowed to get.

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Speaker 4: Better guys are allowed to get. Better Kayleb williams is getting.

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Speaker 3: Better he certainly. Is will continue to talk about more

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Speaker 3: of that as we peruse Through matt's stats to begin

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Speaker 3: our number. Two two will keep this conversation role In Williamson.

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