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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson and this is the kickoff of our

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Speaker 3: number two of the Drive here on the Steelers Audio

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Speaker 3: Network and Matt Mock Draft time here. Yeah, it's been

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Speaker 3: a while, let's do let's get to it here. Steelers

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Speaker 3: have picks twenty one, fifty three eighty five, one one

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Speaker 3: one sixty three, two twenty five and two forty nine.

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Speaker 3: Now that will change somewhat here when the compensatory picks

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Speaker 3: are announced. Yeah, yeah, but you know you're gonna have

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Speaker 3: twenty one to fifty three eighty five for sure. Those

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Speaker 1: There at the end of round three and beyond, yes, right,

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Speaker 1: And I don't think they'll end up with one.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think they will either because of the

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Speaker 3: signings that they made in the offseason. Next year, they.

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Speaker 1: Could next year as possible. Yeah, I see how active

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Speaker 1: like that'd be the beauty of a Davante Adams versus Godwin.

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Speaker 3: Right, like somebody who's somebody who got released is much

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Speaker 3: bigger or much more attractive in that regard. Uh So

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Speaker 3: we're gonna go into this with the assumption that the

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Speaker 3: Steelers have made a couple of signings in free agency.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna say they've signed a cornerback, okay, starter, starter type, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and they've also signed another veteran wide receiver okay, and

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Speaker 3: a quarterback, right, and a quarterback. Quarter one of those

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Speaker 3: two guys, that's gonna happen. Yeah, one of those two

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Speaker 1: So to be a little more specific, this isn't Higgins

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Speaker 1: and the problem to solved. No, this is a slaton

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Speaker 1: or a guy you can be happier. You love the

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Speaker 1: head last year. Right, It doesn't mean you're done at receiver. Yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, So we're gonna start to dry here. We're

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Speaker 1: using the Pro Football Focus Draft today.

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Speaker 3: Well, look who's available at pick twenty one. Walter Nolan.

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Speaker 1: We just had a long conversation about him. I think

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Speaker 1: it's an easy pick. I wonder a month from now

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Speaker 1: if we're going to laugh at ourselves though, you know that.

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Speaker 1: But he goes to Combine lights it up and well, Melos.

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Speaker 3: Let's go through the picks ahead of him. Here. Cam

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Speaker 3: Wore goes one, Travis Hunter two to Tartoroa. McMillan goes

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Speaker 1: Every pickwos going to be grumpy.

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Speaker 3: Abdul Carter goes four. Okay, Will Campbell, the tackle from LSU,

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Speaker 3: goes five. Shador Sanders at six. I mean nothing here.

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Speaker 3: I know Will Johnson at seven to the Jets. James Pierce,

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Speaker 3: the edge rusher out of Tennessee, goes eight. Mason Graham,

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Speaker 3: the defensive lineman out of Michigan, goes at nine.

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Speaker 1: That's as late as he could possibly get.

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go in that neighborhood. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: Igbuca goes at twelve to Dallas.

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Speaker 1: That surprises me.

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Speaker 3: Malachi Starks goes to the Dolphinskay Hall in the free

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Speaker 3: agent Luther Burden goes at fourteen to the Colts, Josh

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Speaker 3: Simmons at fifteen to the Falcons, Calvin Banks at sixteen

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame goes at seventeen to the Bengals, Tyler Warren

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Speaker 1: Now, when I said that that we might laugh about

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Speaker 1: Nolan at twenty one, doesn't imply that any of those

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Speaker 3: But I don't know that any of these other guys

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Speaker 1: No question. But if you told me today, can you

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Speaker 3: I mean, the only other receiver out there is Matthew Golden.

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Speaker 1: But we signed one.

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Speaker 1: He could be long gone by then too, by the.

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Speaker 3: Way, Marion Hampton, Gray's Abel, Nick Scourton, Tyler Williams, Josh Connery.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Baron could be gone by then too.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, okay, well that I know, another opportunity for Nolan.

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Speaker 1: To be there, all right, I think you take them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we cruise down here to fifty three. Top guys available.

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Speaker 3: Tyler o ker Arianta Nursery, Caleb Johnson, the running back

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Speaker 1: Out of Iley. He's one I would consider in the

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Speaker 3: Kyle Kinnard, the edge rusher out of South Carolina, Salvveon Williams,

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Speaker 1: Did that, but I like him in the second round.

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Speaker 1: He's closer to Benton than he is le Al. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't love what we're looking at. No, you know,

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Speaker 3: What other position we can sit here? Cornerback? Maxwell Harriston

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Speaker 1: I don't think either one of those dudes are slot capable,

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Speaker 1: I don't think either one does it. They're outside man

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at a safety position, you're looking at Sebastian Castro

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Speaker 1: He's all right, yeah, yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's I think Johnson's depending.

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Speaker 1: It's a pick. That's just the way that that's the

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Speaker 1: way the board fell out, right, Yeah, and he's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we're up here again now at eighty

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Speaker 3: five up guys available. Elijah Roho, the tight end out

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Speaker 1: He's really impressive. He's not a bunch of a blocker.

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Speaker 3: AZERI A. Thomas still there. I think, yeah, we'll just

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Speaker 3: Mason Taylor the other tight end out of l s U.

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Speaker 3: Devin Neil, the half back out of Kansas is there.

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Speaker 3: Trey Harris, the wide receiver out of Mississippi, Harold Fannin.

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Speaker 1: I love these picks a lot better than the second

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Speaker 3: Always the case. Yeah it is uh. Dean Walker still there.

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Speaker 3: Cayman Rucker, ed rusher out of North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't do it. Corndarius Robinson, ed rusher out of Alabama.

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Speaker 3: Jaylen Milroe still there. Andrew mccouba, the safety out of Texas.

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Speaker 3: Some select KP.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not a bad player.

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Speaker 3: Mello Dotson, the cornerback out of Kansas.

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Speaker 3: those quarterbacks, this is probably where you have to take.

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Speaker 1: It's probably where you have to take.

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Speaker 3: You don't pick again into one twenty one.

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Speaker 3: I think you take Azerie Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I think you're real happy about it. Just value.

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Speaker 3: Jylen Milroe. Would you take him with pick one twenty one?

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Speaker 1: If that's our final answer, I'm not gonna have a

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Speaker 3: Riley Leonard there.

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Speaker 1: I guess it depends which quarterback did we sign too, right,

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Speaker 1: We don't specify beforehand.

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Speaker 3: But you know Elijah Roberts, the edge rusher out of SMU. There,

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Speaker 3: Barrett Carter, linebacker out of Clemson. Jackson Art is there.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, there's no way there.

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Speaker 3: They have their ranking again I'm using Pro Football focus

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Speaker 3: is rankings. They haven't won eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I must say he's not the one hundred

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Speaker 3: don't think Milroe is there at this point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Damian Martinez. They're running back out of Miami, did that?

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Speaker 3: Uh, you're looking at Antoine Powell, Ryland, the edge rusher

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Speaker 3: John Williams tackle out of Cincinnati Cayden Prickson. Tim Smith

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Speaker 1: Oh he's a bully.

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Speaker 1: His height and weight, but he plays big and looks big.

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Speaker 3: So he is the best of the available defensive lineman here.

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Speaker 3: It's fine. He's never gonna be on a field and

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Speaker 3: That's why he's we're taking him more.

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Speaker 1: We talk to be at most and especially his rookie year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're up here now at two twenty five and

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Speaker 3: Graham Mertz, quarterback out of Florida. Karin Red linebackert of Utah,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to take Shock that late. Yep.

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Speaker 3: Just take him. Shuck it, and we are up with

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Speaker 3: our final pick here at two forty nine. Top guys available.

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Speaker 3: Graham Mertz still there, quarterback from Florida. We don't need

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Speaker 1: I consider a scatback type here blocking tight.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Jackson's a hitter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he showed up a lot to help your special teams.

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Speaker 3: Linebacker Aaron Smith out of South Carolina State, Zaquary Franklin

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Speaker 1: To meet Jackson from Georgia is an ideal seventh round pick.

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Speaker 3: Shamari Simmons cornerback out of Arizona State. Let's take a

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Speaker 3: You've got Malachai Matevo Brantakuth out of Utah, Brian's Bryson

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Speaker 1: None of those doesn't do much for me or I

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Speaker 3: See if there's any slot type corners that are there.

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Speaker 3: Jabbar Mohammad, where's he from Oregon? I know there was

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Speaker 1: Is that I don't a problem with that. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be interested if it's if it's Byron Murphy,

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Speaker 1: Jackson to me is an immediate stud special team or

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Speaker 1: You get a great special team or your next caler Brew. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't like our our selection of Caleb william

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson and Matt one thing I wanted to dive

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Speaker 1: Doesn't change anything because Mahomes is the alien of all aliens,

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Speaker 1: when these teams met two years ago in the Super Bowl,

436
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Speaker 1: and he played great last week. So it doesn't mean

437
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Speaker 1: he's not capable of winning big games. I'm talking about Hurts,

438
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 1: of course, and the opposite is true of Mahomes. Of course,

439
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean third and six. Mahomes is gonna make a play.

440
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean Josh Allen, of course. Now I guess the

441
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: question is can an Eagles style win it all? I

442
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: think the answer is yes. Even if they lose forty

443
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: to nothing to Mahomes, they're in the game, you know,

444
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Speaker 1: I mean they have a chance to win less than

445
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: a two point dog. I mean, can they in the

446
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 1: Eagles hoist to Lombardi. Yes, Now that doesn't mean Okay,

447
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: now I'm going fields and I'm going to duplicate that

448
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: because the rest of the roster is the beauty the way.

449
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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's exactly what Rooney said. And the question was,

450
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 3: you were asked some questions about philosophically, what you want

451
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 3: your offense to look like. There's only two teams playing

452
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Speaker 3: right now. When you look at it, do you say

453
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Eagles are one of the most run heavy

454
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Speaker 3: teams where you can still win with that kind of

455
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Speaker 3: offense to run the ball a lot, or do you

456
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 3: look at it and say, Patrick Mahomes is on the

457
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Speaker 3: other side and no one can beat in. We need

458
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Speaker 3: to find a quarterback who can stand toe to toe.

459
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Speaker 3: And Rooney said, it's interesting that we have two teams

460
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Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl with such different styles. It shows

461
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 3: that you can win with more than one approach. I

462
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 3: think the bottom line is that you've got to try

463
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: and win with the talent that you have and the ability.

464
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 3: We have two different kinds of talent and they have

465
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Speaker 3: two different kinds of talent in their bill, so it

466
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 3: to be an interesting game. We've got to build on

467
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 3: the strengths that we can put together in our room.

468
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 3: And I still think that running the ball is a

469
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: rough to success, particularly when you're playing without a roof

470
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Speaker 3: and outside things like that.

471
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Speaker 1: And I totally get that. I get that. I'm trying

472
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Speaker 1: to find this on my timeline because here we go,

473
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Speaker 1: and there was a part of me years ago that

474
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Speaker 1: I thought running the football is not as important as

475
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Speaker 1: it used to be. It's not the same Earl Campbell,

476
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson era. It's not a running back

477
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: centric league anymore. It's a quarterback league. But then the

478
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: quarterbacks changed and they became runners too, you know. I mean,

479
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: it's not Drew Bledsoe, it's not Troy Aikman. But you know,

480
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm an EPA guy. And the top six rushing attacks

481
00:24:55,160 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: in EPA per play for the Eagles, the Ravens, the Bills,

482
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: the Commanders, the Lions, and the Bucks, all of whom

483
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: had great years. I mean all and the Chiefs weren't

484
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,479
Speaker 1: far behind. But they're different because they mahomes. Yeah, frankly,

485
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: they and they don't run the ball as much as

486
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: these guys, and all that means is how efficient are

487
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: you running the football?

488
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Speaker 3: And some of that's skewed because some of those some

489
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 3: of those quarterbacks are runners. But Jared Goff isn't right, right,

490
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield can run, but that's not what he does.

491
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Speaker 1: But I don't think skewed's the right word. I mean,

492
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: that's part of it now, right, You know, your quarterback

493
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: needs to be a runner, and some of it golf

494
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Speaker 1: isn't go.

495
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 3: They just ran the ball well with a.

496
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Speaker 1: Two headed running attack, you know, Like I was critical

497
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: used a mid first round pick on Gibbs. That's too

498
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: early for a back. Yeah, but he's a weapon.

499
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 3: He's a company did kind of the same thing though,

500
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 3: They just had a three running.

501
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Speaker 1: Back, yeah exactly. I mean, and they invested in o line.

502
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: They drafted a center like the Steelers did. Now, the

503
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: Steelers are twenty fourth in EPA rushing. That's not a

504
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: volume thing. That's how efficient you are. And I don't

505
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: care how you get there, but I think that needs

506
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: to be twelve, you know, I mean to compete with

507
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: the big dogs, but it's another running back or more

508
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: running centric quarterback, better line play second year in the scheme,

509
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And frankly, I have more faith in

510
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: this Steeler O line than most people do. Yeah, I

511
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: don't get the lack of a lot of I get

512
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: a lot of comments, Well not until they build the

513
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: O line's team. There's no chance. I'm like, they're building

514
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: the line.

515
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 3: The on line is being built as we sit here

516
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 3: and watch the five guys on the off the offensive

517
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: line in the last two years, right, and guys are

518
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: allowed to get better. Absolutely, you aren't just all We're

519
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: gonna plug in as a rookie and that's what you are.

520
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, now some of this too. Are

521
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: the Ravens or Bills or whoever have a ten point

522
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: lead and they hand it to their back and they

523
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: run it out. But they got there by running efficiently, too.

524
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: You don't get the ten point lead by not doing that. So,

525
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: by no means is running the football dead. I mean

526
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Speaker 1: the Eagles are the epitome of that. They were a

527
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: good rushing team with bad backs, and now they're an

528
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: awesome rushing team with the best back. Yeah.

529
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 3: Well, the Ravens were kind of the same thing. Yeah, exactly,

530
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: they had bad backs. Yeah, Gus Edwards is not a

531
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: good running back.

532
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's still averaged five yards of carriage because.

533
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 3: Everybody was right about Lamar. But if you go get

534
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 3: a superstar back, that's what makes you difficult to beat.

535
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: But I am a believer that that's the last piece

536
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: of the puzzle. And like I even mentioned the Gibbs thing,

537
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: Like I said this on a different podcast, I was

538
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: critical of the Lions for taking Gibbs in the middle

539
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: of the first rounds I just mentioned, But I also

540
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: misunderstood how far along the Lions were at that point.

541
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: They were better than I thought. Found they already had

542
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: a line. They were at Goff I thought at that

543
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: point was I don't know about golf. Well, he was

544
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: better than I thought. Saint Brown was in place, the

545
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: port was in that draft, you know, like he still

546
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: was kind of the cherry on top. To me, it's

547
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: still the last piece of the puzzle, but it's important.

548
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there'll be a million analytics studies

549
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: this offseason that, oh, running backs matter again. Yeah, you

550
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: know funny how ye a whole bunch that's mattered our

551
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: whole life. Yeah, running backs matter, you know.

552
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: I think if you add for this particular Steelers roster

553
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: as it looks heading into you know, without resigning anybody

554
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 3: or whatever. As you look at it, you need another

555
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: wide receiver absolutely who can who can threaten teams on

556
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: the outside. You need to be better with your number

557
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: two spot. You need a more explosive running.

558
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: Back, preferably. It's funny because I was asked a question

559
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask it to you now that I

560
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: mentioned it, Like are you happy with Judkins or the

561
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: Miami dude who are physical as could be? Or or

562
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: Gordon but they're not home run hitters, you know, Like

563
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: or you're going to lean towards Neil who maybe has

564
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: a little more breakaway speed or Harvey. I'm not talking

565
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: about the top three guys. Everybody likes top three guys,

566
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: something about physicality.

567
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: I'd love to get to marry the two. I'd love

568
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: to marry the two, you know.

569
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Speaker 1: And that's tough for me if I have to pick

570
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: between the two. I'm not picking the two hundred pounds back. Yeah,

571
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I do think you

572
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: need more explosive plays in the run game, but you

573
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: can't to me, maybe goal number one of the whole

574
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: Steeler offseason you can't be twenty fourth in rushing EPA.

575
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: When you run it the second or third most times,

576
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: and you.

577
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: Can't average four point zero yards per carry. Now, obviously

578
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: breaking off eighty yarders helps that. But if I can

579
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: get that the four to three, you know, and be

580
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: middle of the pack and still have a voluminous running

581
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: game one of my favorite words, that starts to pay off,

582
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, but you can't be below average on a

583
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: per touch, a per rush basis. And I don't think

584
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: they're that far away from changing that. You're two in

585
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: the scheme. I don't think Nause you really fit the

586
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: outside zone scheme to begin with. And it was kind

587
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: of a square peg round hole. And I know the

588
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: next guy will whether he's explosive, a big small.

589
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: And that's not the same Nase he's been a bad player,

590
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: or the nature very useful.

591
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the line is trending in the right direction.

592
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: Washington's a killer in a run game. You're still going

593
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: to get some quarterback rushing production. Wilson fields whomever, and frankly,

594
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: if you're a little better at receiver, you can They

595
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: ran into a stack boxes at like the eighth highest

596
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: ranked in the league, to just get someone out of

597
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: the box a little bit more. Get somebody out of there, right,

598
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: and not just moonballs, you know, be a little scarier

599
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: with their intermediate passing game. These aren't huge things to ask.

600
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: They're a couple of rungs up the ladder. You know.

601
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: This isn't oh, turn into the go get Mahomes. That's

602
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: not the answer, and that's not a path you can take.

603
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: You can't choose that adventure.

604
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think a running back to me, a

605
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: stud running back, a guy who is a game breaker

606
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: at the running back position, who can also break some

607
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: tackles and be a nice complimentary piece. We saw it

608
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: really with what Arthur Smith had in Atlanta. Oh yeah,

609
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: with those two backs and people, why are they giving

610
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: why Why isn't you know, why aren't they using b

611
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: Jean Robinson Moore? Because the other guy's good too.

612
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: The other guy's good too, right.

613
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: Like, you got to use utilize them both, because if

614
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: you want to run the football as much as you do,

615
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 3: I mean, even if you drafted a running back in

616
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: the first or second round this year, let's see you

617
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: got Omari and Hampton.

618
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, follows the second round too good to pass up.

619
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Speaker 3: Jalen Warren's not going away.

620
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: As I say, I know you believe this too. I

621
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: think Warren's a very good player. Yeah, I mean, and

622
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: I thought we saw glimpses of it in the second

623
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: half of the season. We've seen huge portions of it

624
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: through his whole career. Here. I do think he was

625
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: a little injured short of the season. Yeah, but he

626
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: can be my primary back, kind of my fifty five

627
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: sixty center. He doesn't have to be a thirty percentera.

628
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: His role can grow. I got no problem with that.

629
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: But I don't think he's in a bit eighty arders

630
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: but out draft him a little bit, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

631
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: you know I'm good with that too. And he stays

632
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: in the same role. But now I've got a more

633
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: explosive lead back, okay.

634
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And so I trust new guy to pick

635
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: up third down blitzes and stuff. I don't know. I know,

636
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 1: I've got a guy that I know I can yeah, right,

637
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: And I actually wouldn't mind. And we've talke about this

638
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: a lot too, that their third back could be the

639
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: seventh round pick that's one hundred and ninety five pound. Yeah, yeah,

640
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: and he's a kick kick for you. And yeah, maybe

641
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: runs down on kickoffs or something too. If he's the

642
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: right type. There's so many backs to pick fro him

643
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: in this draft. Yeah, I mean, maybe double dip. But

644
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: if you go Hampton, you're not gonna double dip. You know,

645
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: maybe an undrafted free agent you get more money than usual. Yeah,

646
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: But the to me, a huge goal that I don't

647
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: think has talked about enough in the media here is

648
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: the running game has to become more efficient. However you

649
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: get there to become more efficient because I'm going to

650
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: run the ball a lot. You're not going to leave

651
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: the league and pass it. This is not the Bengals.

652
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: No, No, You're just not gonna You're not going to

653
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: do that. And and but I want to if you

654
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: want to utilize the talent that you have, most of

655
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: which is coming back, most of which is coming back.

656
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: And you know, to to Rooney's point, you know you've

657
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: got to maximize what you've got. I think another running

658
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: back helps you maximize what you've got. You've got. You

659
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: spend all this money on our draft picks, in draft

660
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: capital on improving your offensive line. Yep, all right, that

661
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: that should be the case. Your offensive line should be

662
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: better as a group.

663
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: You would hope they're going the right direction. Yeah, it's

664
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: worriesome if they're not right now you now you've got

665
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: different questions asked.

666
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: But if if those picks look like they've now they're

667
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: now getting it, and these guys are all going to be,

668
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 3: you know, twenty three, twenty four to twenty five years

669
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: old next year. Yeah, all right.

670
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: Now, Now the Washington in that mix too, Yeah, because

671
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: he's a killing.

672
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: He's like a six offensive line.

673
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

674
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Speaker 3: Yeah, in fact, there's his side. Somebody asked me about that.

675
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 3: I released my tight end position look today and somebody

676
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: asked me, was Washington a wasted pick? I'm like, no, oh, no,

677
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: played almost sixty percent of the snaps last year. How

678
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 3: can you think he was a wasted pick.

679
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: He's like Ricard or use check or some freak that every.

680
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: But his question was that because he doesn't catch it

681
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: have as many catches, was he a wasted pick?

682
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I think quite the ops. I think

683
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: he was a steal. Yeah, and I think you really

684
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: have to know the game, not that I'm at a

685
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: coach his level, of course, to understand how valuable he is.

686
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: He changes, how defenses, approach what you when he's on

687
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: the field, like, Okay, we can't just have a our

688
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: two hundred and thirty pounds line linebacker lining up opposite

689
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: him because he's gonna kill him.

690
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: I mean he can deal with high Smith and Watt. Yeah, yeah,

691
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean in the run game. I mean he can

692
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: deal with real legit edge dudes. He can deal with

693
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. He can deal with three four outside linebackers

694
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: and win, you know, one on one v one, you know,

695
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: let alone. You get him on a safety or a linebacker,

696
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: and I think I can make the argument that he's

697
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: the most improved Steeler from twenty twenty three to twenty

698
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: twenty four. There's probably something I'm forgetting, but he's in

699
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: the conversation and if the needs not much of an issue,

700
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: and he is catching a little more balls, and that's

701
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: he's a miss. He's a that that piece on the

702
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: chessboard doesn't exist. I mean, that's a new piece. He's

703
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: one of the most important people on the team to me.

704
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't look like other tight ends.

705
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: No, No, he's a wrecking machine and he's good in

706
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: pass pro. I mean he can kick, slide and do

707
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: left tackle stuff and he's only getting better. Yeah. No,

708
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: I think he's the opposite of ways to pick. Yeah. Frankly,

709
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: if they use the first round pick on I'd be like,

710
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: I get it because he's a mismatch. That's what the

711
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: league is all about, its creating mismatches. Yeah.

712
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: So again, you want to if you want to take

713
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: advantage of that particular talent that you have on your

714
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: roster now right, Okay, we'll getting you got to you

715
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 3: got to improve it running back.

716
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: I agreed, I would be broader. You just have to

717
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: improve the run game however you get there. If it

718
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: holes this big that you and I can run through

719
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: for five yards of carry, great, But the ball carriers

720
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: are the easiest way to.

721
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Speaker 3: Do it, right, And especially in the draft, is this

722
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: one such as this one where you've got they're so

723
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: many pick they're differently going to draft the back different sizes,

724
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 3: different shapes, different speed and all that's there.

725
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: Like I remember remember when the Packers drafted Aaron Jones.

726
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: They drafted Jamal Williams like two rounds before. Yeah, and

727
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: it was that that running back class that had Connor

728
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: and mccassery and running was the best ones. This has

729
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: been the best one since and they double dipped. They

730
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: didn't take one in the top two rounds three. Actually

731
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: they did take one to seventh round. I forget who

732
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: even was and Williams was fine, but then they found

733
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones. Right, it's like we just fixed this problem

734
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: with a third and fifth round pick in the league

735
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: and Jones is a pro bowler.

736
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Speaker 3: You know that could happen this year, absolutely absolutely, and

737
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: you again completely rejuven age your running game.

738
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get those guys under contract for four years

739
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: with Warren a third and fourth round pick or something

740
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: along that ilk or you know, Hampton falls the second whatever,

741
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: take advantage of it.

742
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: And again if if then your quarterback is you know,

743
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: comes in a year from now or two years from now,

744
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 3: whatever that and you have a run game play and

745
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: you have a run game in place. Now you've made

746
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: the landing easier for that young guy.

747
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: And you're hoping at that point Frasier is a perennial

748
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: pro bowler and maybe Fotano is too, or you know,

749
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: and never and there's not a weakness on the old line. Right,

750
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: McCormick's a starter, you know, Jones is a good starter.

751
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think that's much to ask two

752
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: years a year from now, you know absolutely, Now I

753
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: understand the league. A lot of bad things are gonna

754
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: happen to one of those Dudes's gonna blow out of

755
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: thee or do something I'm off the field or I mean,

756
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to maintain being This is not how the

757
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: league works. It's not a continuous curve upward. But it's

758
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: a young offense. It's a very young offense. Anyways, let's

759
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.

760
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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

761
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network, and of course you can

762
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 3: hear the Drive every Monday through Friday right here on

763
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,520
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764
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: can download the Steelers Mobile up and get the show

765
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: there as well. And well, we're back this week on YouTube,

766
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Speaker 3: so check out the show there as well. But we'll

767
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Speaker 3: be back with more to finish up the show right

768
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Speaker 3: after this.

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Speaker 1: At least.

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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

772
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Speaker 2: Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the

774
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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson and Matt I have the player schedule here

775
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: for the Combine.

776
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: Oh cool, Okay, Combine soon.

777
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: Coming right around the corner of February twenty third through

778
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Speaker 3: March third. We'll be there, so twenty days. Wow, I'm psyched.

779
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: I love that trip. I would psyched for the Senior

780
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: Bowl and I didn't get to go, And I'm I

781
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: always enjoy the combat. It's not my favorite weeks of

782
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Speaker 1: the year.

783
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Speaker 3: So the first players to arrive during that week are

784
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 3: going to be the place kickers, who the defensive lineman

785
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: and the linebackers.

786
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Speaker 1: Okay, the line is going to be very relevant.

787
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: The line is going to be very impressive in their

788
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: workouts on.

789
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: The field too, absolutely even seeing them walk at the

790
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: podium and all that stuff too.

791
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: Which again you'll get an opportunity to do. Their media

792
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 3: interviews will be on Wednesday, Okay, so that's when that

793
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 3: will all kick off. We'll get an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Kind of cool for us for our purposes. You gotta

795
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: think the Steelers are not going to be off the ball.

796
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: Linebackers edge certainly not kicker. We can concentrate on them.

797
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a look at all the big dudes. Yeah,

798
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: and they're going to be a good group. Yeah.

799
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: The second group coming in will be the defensive backs

800
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: and the tight ends.

801
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Speaker 1: All of which will be relevant for us.

802
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and their media interviews will start on Thursday. We'll

803
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 3: get a chance to see them before we leave there

804
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: as well. And then on Friday. Well that actually they

805
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: come in on Tuesday day. Now, the defensive backs and

806
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: tight ends come in on Monday, do all their stuff

807
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Speaker 3: in Wednesday, all.

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Speaker 1: The bodpod and meds and all that kind of stuff too.

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Speaker 3: So the media sessions for the quarter quarterbacks, running backs,

810
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: and wide receivers will be on Friday, gotcha, okay? And

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Speaker 3: then the offensive linemen coming in their.

812
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Speaker 1: Last their last I can't remember the order last year

813
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: or what the logic is behind the order.

814
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Speaker 3: They're trying to mix them around. It used to be

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Speaker 3: the offensive lineman always went first, and then the ready

816
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: after that, and the defensive backs. I can always remember.

817
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Speaker 3: We're on the weekend and nobody stayed for the defensive backs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but I think the logic is who's

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Speaker 1: going to get the most views on NFL Network. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think it used to be they thought the

821
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Speaker 1: receivers and d backs got the most views, but I

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Speaker 1: bet it's the O lineman. Now, the O line drills

823
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Speaker 1: are great, and O line drills mean more, and I

824
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: think fans are getting smarter. Yeah. Yeah. The receiver stuff,

825
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: their forties are great, I mean, cezaver Worthy break it

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Speaker 1: or whatever, but they're not as important as they used

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Speaker 1: to be.

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Speaker 3: The on field workout stuff is going to work like this.

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Speaker 3: Thursday will be the placekickers, defensive linemen, and linebackers. Friday

830
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: will be the defensive backs and the tight ends. Then

831
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Speaker 3: you're going to get on Saturday the on field workouts

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Speaker 3: for the running backs, wide receivers and quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Of that, which is probably the most viewed day, and.

834
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Speaker 3: Then your offensive lineman will have their on field workout

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Speaker 3: on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Sun final day. So the ones that they set up

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Speaker 1: for the weekend are the ones that they think will

838
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: be the most entertaining to the fans. Yeah, and they

839
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: probably picked it right. Running backs aren't real great, but

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00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: receivers quarterbacks of course, right. I get to see the

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00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: running back catch balls and things that and yeah, yeah,

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00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: so there's some of that. Running backs. I'm actually kind

843
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: of excited to see them in shorts and T shirts.

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Speaker 1: Just body types and all that kind of thing too.

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Speaker 3: I mean forty times will be it's important to.

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00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, but I am to see the body

847
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: makeup of some of these guys. Some of them are

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00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: short and thick, you know, and whatever, and yeah, okay,

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00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Your line drills are worth it.

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Speaker 3: You released the I saw you tweeted out it was

851
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: either today or yesterday about the yards after contact.

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00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the running back group, I'm a believer in that.

853
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,479
Speaker 1: That that is I'll try to find it here real quick.

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00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: But Genet's number one. Yeah, I mean he clearly special.

855
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: He's special, but it adds up is the one of

856
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: the most This is a good pro football focused thing.

857
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: We say good things and bad things about them, but

858
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: they've really taken this to a new level. That tackle

859
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: breaking is probably the most transferable running back trait out there.

860
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: You know, if you break tackles at the college level,

861
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: if you're hard to tackle, that's not going to be

862
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: hard to tackle anyways. Tackling really isn't that much better

863
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: at the NFL level than it comparatively speaking, compared to

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Speaker 1: everything else. But he was number one and followed immediately

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Speaker 1: by Scatabo, which I think adds up. Choting sort of

866
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Speaker 1: surprised me from Virginia Tech. And he also has some

867
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Speaker 1: some speed. I bet he runs well and I.

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Speaker 3: Think his issue if I remember correctly in my researching

869
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Speaker 3: at fumbles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he might. He might be one of

871
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: the few that can be big, physical and break the

872
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: long ones. Harvey was really high on the list, and

873
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: Hunter from Auburn and those guys all add up. I mean,

874
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: it's the guys at the bottom were Edwards from Michigan

875
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: who looks like a receiver. Marx was a smaller dude too,

876
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: and uh Yarns from Delaware. They're all the smaller kick

877
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: return types. But it's a very transferable skill. I mean,

878
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: Javonte Williams rookie year, but he was the tackle breaking

879
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: king David Montgomery when he came in the league. You're

880
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: hard to tackle. I mean, the Steier guys are hard

881
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: to tackle.

882
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: You know. Jalen Warrewn is hard to tackle. She Harris

883
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: hard to tack to tackle.

884
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely, so rarely do those guys bust that are really

885
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: good tackle breakers at the college level. I'll not be

886
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: the best back in the league.

887
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Speaker 3: But you know, I'll be interested to see what some

888
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: of those guys also run in terms of you know,

889
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 3: when we're talking about these on the field workouts here,

890
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: because if you can marry that together. Yeah, okay, now

891
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: you got something.

892
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: Not to dispute what you said, because I one hundred

893
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: percent agree with it, especially for the steeler viewpoint. But

894
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: forty times for running backs is one of the most

895
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: overrated stats. It's Yeah, but if some of these tackle

896
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Speaker 1: breakers are also running faster than I thought, I'm gonna

897
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: bump them up my steeler board in a big way. Yeah,

898
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: just because we're looking for that guy, can you find

899
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 1: the fourth round dude.

900
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 3: That let's say, for example, you mentioned Skataboo is, yeah,

901
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: the two guy.

902
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

903
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: Everybody said, well, he's probably a four to six guy.

904
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Speaker 1: Whatoner if he's a four to five guy, Yeah, to

905
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: four or five to one, Okay, I might be a

906
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: round different for me. Theneah, You're like, I'll take him

907
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: a third, or I'll take them a fourth. I'll take

908
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: them a third. Yeah, okay, you know right right, because

909
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: he just gives you a different dynamic. You know, he's

910
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: hard to tackle in Oh, by the way, he can

911
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: run away from guys. Yeah, because he does a college

912
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: level yeah, and we'll see. Yeah, that's definitely something to watch.

913
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Speaker 3: Yeah, great contact balance. But yeah, I'll be interested. I

914
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Speaker 3: can't wait to get down there again. Three weeks from now.

915
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Speaker 1: Yeah, head and.

916
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Speaker 3: We'll be on our way. It's just actually we'd probably

917
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Speaker 3: be there by now.

918
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Speaker 1: But but well, I mean it's early, but it's Super

919
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: Bowl week. But we'll start previewing the combine too, Like

920
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: these are the guys to watch and you know, some

921
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: of them are seenable, some weren't. Blah blah blah.

922
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Speaker 3: So what the Steelers scouts are doing right now? Yeah,

923
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: putting together that list, Like here's who we want to

924
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: talk to.

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Speaker 1: I think most teams are all in their home city

926
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Speaker 1: right now, you know, gearing up for we're really in

927
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Speaker 1: drafts that time. You know, you got back from the

928
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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. You're running back coach from the Commanders who

929
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: was deep in the playoffs, saw those guys for the

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00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: first time. Oh, what do you think of them? You

931
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: know we've we've been scouting them all year. What do

932
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Speaker 1: you think of them? Yeah? So I think that now

933
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Speaker 1: they're starting to really put lists together preliminary. Yeah, absolutely,

934
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Speaker 1: it's draft season. It is draft season. But anyways, let's

935
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Speaker 1: go to do for the show today. Matt one, absolutely,

936
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Speaker 1: and we will be back again the rest of this

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Speaker 1: week from four to six. Well, we continue to do

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Speaker 1: four to six here.

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Speaker 3: As we move forward, our schedule might change a little

940
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Speaker 3: bit for the for the combine, I should say, see

941
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Speaker 3: what what all that works out to be?

942
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Speaker 1: Butine guests too.

943
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and uh, well we will uh we'll be back

944
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Speaker 3: again tomorrow. But for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin

945
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: Miller here on site making sure everything sounds right, and

946
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: for Tyler Viittmeyer back in the saddle over there making

947
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Speaker 3: sure our video gets out there on the YouTube. I

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Speaker 3: am Dale, Lollie. We thank you for listening to this

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Speaker 3: edition of the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network