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Speaker 1: welcome into another episode of The Tailgate. Snoop Dogg will

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Zach Martina.

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Speaker 2: But even for sure, so I'm hoping that they go

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Speaker 2: I mean everybody. That's the exact same situation right now

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Speaker 2: Everyone's like, he needs to go, he needs to go,

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Speaker 1: Did you did you think? Did you think Stafford would

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Speaker 2: This. But I also know, I also know the Lions

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Speaker 2: I well, you said that Stafford is still playing, and

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Speaker 1: The sam Say the Sam Laporta comes from the Vikings.

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Speaker 2: No, no, we we moved up with picks from the Stafford.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think who, I mean, who do you think

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Speaker 2: He was drafted, not part of it, not part of

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Speaker 1: Okay. First of all, five to six, you're again. I

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Speaker 2: Guys five to six. I said of Star. I said

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Speaker 1: Now, now here's what I want you to do. If

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much.

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Speaker 2: How am I going to answer? How am I gonna gun?

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Speaker 2: Gun to your head? Because you came to my head,

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Speaker 1: See your mouth, your mouth is open, yeah, could you

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Speaker 1: could you please?

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Speaker 2: Could you get it out? The only person that would

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Speaker 1: All right, here's the direct result of the trade. You

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Speaker 1: tell me who's on your team because he's gone the

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Speaker 1: direct result, not some Because here's the thing. You can't

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Speaker 1: say Sam Laporta. Sam Laporta, Sam Reporta wouldn't have worked

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Speaker 1: without the Hockinson trade. You don't get that. You don't

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Speaker 1: you you can say that that's partially because of it.

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Speaker 1: I want to separate this into two categories. I want

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Speaker 1: to do the ones that are you can have made

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Speaker 1: no other moves. You can't have made no other moves.

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Speaker 2: Then the draft is different. We're not in the same position.

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Speaker 2: We're on the same picks. We moved all sorts of

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Speaker 2: picks to move up and down. Yeah, I just I

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Speaker 2: can't do it. You're asking me to do something, but

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Speaker 2: you can't say Sam Laporta. If I can't say Sam Laporta.

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Speaker 1: You can't say Sam Laporta. The main reason you have

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Speaker 1: Sam Laporta is because we traded you a pick for Hockinson.

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Speaker 1: Huh can I'm gone?

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Speaker 2: I know who he is. I thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Why is your computer so far above your head? I

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Speaker 1: have sort of weird radio station setup. Do you have

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Speaker 1: any you are?

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Speaker 2: You are my middle screen, and then above that is

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Speaker 2: another screen, and then below that is my laptop because

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Speaker 2: this is my editing bay. This is also where I

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Speaker 2: Jamie editing.

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Speaker 1: Jamie, could you please tell me who we got for

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Speaker 1: the who the actual picks were offended.

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Speaker 2: Jamie Terry and Arnold and Antoine Green. Yeah, we got used.

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Speaker 2: You did send us a twenty twenty three second round

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Speaker 2: pick and a twenty twenty four third or third round pick,

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Speaker 2: and we got Sam Laporta in the twenty twenty three draft.

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Speaker 2: But we also got Brian Branch, so you can't say

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Speaker 2: that it was Brian Branch.

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Speaker 1: I think you. But what you're saying is we got

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Speaker 1: all those because of Stafford. You got them all because

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Speaker 1: you have a good GM.

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Speaker 2: Who turns the staff pick.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, the lineup, We've spent way too much time on this.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the line your your your current lines would look

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Speaker 1: different with Matt Stafford, but so would your quarterback. And

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Speaker 1: the only point I was making is the longer that

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Speaker 1: staff plays the more the more the Rams return to

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Speaker 1: relevance like they have this year, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: great win by the Seahawks because the Rams look very good.

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Speaker 1: The more they return to relevance, I think, the weirder

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Speaker 1: and harder that trade gets Super Bowl? Yeah, but when's

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Speaker 1: that gonna happen?

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Speaker 2: What is Stafford going this year? You're saying if he

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Speaker 2: wins another one. I'm saying, if golf wins, if gets

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Speaker 2: there next year or the following year. You're giving me

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Speaker 2: an if. Why can't I answer with an if? Because

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Speaker 2: you're not a level playing field. Sigh, you are? You are.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm walking up one hundred yards and you're running down.

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Speaker 1: You skipped. You skipped my original question with a nonsense answer,

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Speaker 1: which was how are you gonna get to Lions two

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Speaker 1: point zero? And it was like, we just gotta get healthy. Well,

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Speaker 1: eventually all these stars, I said. My point is the

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Speaker 1: two point zero is about the shift of roster resources, Right,

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Speaker 1: that's what happens that we're gonna have to happen. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. And often great teams survive that

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Speaker 1: shift with elite level quarterback play. Otherwise they disappear and rebuild. Right,

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Speaker 1: That's what those are kind of the two arcs in

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Speaker 1: the NFL universe. Either you have a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes or yeah, you have some down years, but

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Speaker 1: you kind of build and like the Chiefs were this

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Speaker 1: offensive juggernaut. They won with Tyreek, and then they traded Tyreek,

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Speaker 1: they regrouped, rebuilt, they became a defensive team. They won again,

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Speaker 1: and now they're probably going to go through another one

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Speaker 1: and I would not be surprised to see them doing

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Speaker 1: well at some point, very very very soon. It's harder

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Speaker 1: to do when you don't have an elite level quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So my question to you is, what is the plan

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Speaker 1: to do two point zero? Are you going to be

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Speaker 1: the best drafted team in the NFL over the last

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Speaker 1: thirty years? Which could be an answer, You've got a

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Speaker 1: great GM, are you so over the last two years?

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Speaker 1: There he is welcome to being a real NFL fan.

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Speaker 1: We wouldn't have heard that, Zach two years ago. I

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Speaker 1: would have just been like.

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Speaker 2: Come on, you can't say I would have heard that

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Speaker 2: two years ago, because I'm saying the last two years.

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Speaker 2: The rookies this year and then oh, I'm gonna judge

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Speaker 2: the rookies last year. It's a different frame of reference.

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Speaker 2: I you gaslighting sob.

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Speaker 1: You don't even know what gaslighting you.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what gaslighting me? And rage baiting me,

519
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: and this is these are the things that my daughter's.

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Speaker 1: I've never even heard of gaslighting. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: to light gas I think accusing me of gas lighting

522
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Speaker 1: is a very not kind thing to do for someone

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Speaker 1: who doesn't even have access to you.

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Speaker 2: You're talking to me about being unkind and unreasonable with

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Speaker 2: these asinine questions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's been a long season from Maybe maybe

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Speaker 3: I should go to therapy, or maybe my wife is

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Speaker 3: wrong and I should just do this because I feel

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Speaker 3: really good right now.

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Speaker 2: I do feel cleansed. It's good to laugh.

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Speaker 1: I want the Bro Show to hang just a pound

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Speaker 1: of touchdowns on you guys. That's that's my big.

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Speaker 2: Well, what's the touchdown to pound ratio? How many ounces

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Speaker 2: is a touchdown?

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Speaker 1: Six touchdowns per pound?

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Speaker 2: Six touchdowns per pound?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know what that breaks out to in

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Speaker 1: terms of ounce's little it's a little over two point

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Speaker 1: whatever whatever, you know, two pounds, whatever ounces or excuse me,

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Speaker 1: two ounces whatever, it doesn't matter, two point outs. Don't

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Speaker 1: put me on the spot with Matt. Don't gaslight me.

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Speaker 1: What what needs to you are in a fun position,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially with what's going on in Green Bay,

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Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, if you can get this game, if

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Speaker 1: you can beat us in this game? You then do

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Speaker 1: do the Packers play? They're not one of the They're

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Speaker 1: not one.

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Speaker 2: Of They're not one of the Christmas games. No, it's

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Speaker 2: Denver in Kansas City, and then I can't remember who

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Speaker 2: is it one? But it's not the Packers. I don't

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Speaker 2: think you.

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Speaker 1: Get to put the pressure on, which is really really

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Speaker 1: really nice. They have to watch you win and then

554
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: know that they have to win, you know, or they

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00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: face so last week win and in losing out if

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Speaker 1: they win type situation.

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Speaker 2: I think it's there playing a balt Green bas playing

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Speaker 2: a Baltimore team that also has to win.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean they have Tyler Hunley, so that's going

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Speaker 1: to be hard, but it's I just think it's a

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Speaker 1: really really it's as good of a seven percent situation

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Speaker 1: as you can ask for, because you want to play first,

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00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 1: you want to apply the pressure. I don't feel good

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Speaker 1: about your odds. I was really looking forward to the point.

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Speaker 2: Who feels good about seven and a half percent odds? Y?

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Speaker 2: Who feels good about that?

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Speaker 1: I didn't say anybody did. I was just mentioning. Am

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Speaker 1: I not allowed to mention how I feel about the odds?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: SI, you know what you are. I'm so happy that

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Speaker 2: you're with the rest of us.

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Speaker 1: Listen to me. I make up my own mind. I'm

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Speaker 1: an individual. I look at what's happening in front of me,

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Speaker 1: I assess situations. I come to my own conclusions, and

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Speaker 1: I bring them to this place that I thought used

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Speaker 1: to be safe, where I would share moments with one

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Speaker 1: of my closest friends as we discuss our two teams,

578
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: one of which seems to never get over the hump

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Speaker 1: and the other of which is perennially terrible. And now

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00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: we both have all these built expectations and we're sitting

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Speaker 1: here playing a nearly meaningless playoff from a playoff relevancy

582
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Speaker 1: standpoint football game on Christmas. And I'm just trying to

583
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Speaker 1: call it like I see it, and you're just attacking me.

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Speaker 1: You over and over.

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Speaker 2: That little use of the word nearly meaningless is the

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Speaker 2: definition of gas lighting, because it is very meaningful over

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Speaker 2: on this end, nearly meaningless. It's meaningless for you, meaningless

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Speaker 2: for the Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: But I told you, I'm really hoping bro Show drops

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Speaker 1: a pound of touchdowns on you.

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Speaker 2: That'd be meaningful for what your Christmas ham. You're your

592
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Speaker 2: enjoyment your Christmas ham.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some people just like competitive sport, Zach, we don't guess.

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00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: Listen to me.

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00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: Listen to me. It's hard to explain to a Lions fan.

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Speaker 2: There's no nearly no, there's no nearly meaningless. Then the

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Speaker 2: point is.

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00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: The point is I'm concerned that it will be difficult

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Speaker 1: to build a Lions two point zero, especially with the

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00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: grim drafting picture you painted, which I don't tend to

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Speaker 1: agree with. I think you have a phenomenal uh. I

603
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: think you have a phenomenal situation over there.

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Speaker 2: I didn't I say we had a you Oh my god,

605
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: am I a dictionary and you're a publisher just putting

606
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: words all of it.

607
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: You have an addiction. I think you have an addiction

608
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: to not being honest with your friend on a podcast.

609
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: I think you're addicted to the rush of not coming Jamie.

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00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: Could you look up football addiction, Jamie, Jamie, could you

611
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: look up football addiction? Listen to me, Zach, Listen to me.

612
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a real question?

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00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: It'd be nice to hear one for the first time today?

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00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: Can I ask you? So, Let's say we're living in

615
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: an alternate universe where this game has a ton of

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00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: meaning mm hmm, right, Like, Hey, the division's essentially on

617
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: the line.

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00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: It's the last game of the season last year.

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Speaker 1: How deep are you in Jay and I's DMS trying

620
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: to go to a Christmas Day game? Or would you

621
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: never consider it if I was thinking about going. It's

622
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: on Netflix, a really big deal. Everything's on the line.

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Speaker 1: How deep are you in the thought process of like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Christmas is great.

625
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: You're gonna get both ski because JJ McCarthy just got

626
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: a hairline fracture, he's out this week.

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00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: Did that just officially because.

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00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: That just came out from Adam Schefter?

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Speaker 1: Or so we because it's Christmas, we recorded early, This

630
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: show's coming out this week, so we're official, So that

631
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: that means we're getting bro show.

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Speaker 2: To answer your question, though, real quick to answer your question.

633
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Speaker 2: Alternate verse, it's the game and it's Christmas Day. As

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Speaker 2: a Midwesterner, I'm never asking.

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Speaker 1: I can't yes, But in your heart are you wanting?

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00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: Are you hinting and wanting?

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00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: If I do? If I could have gotten my family

638
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: out there this year, I would have been.

639
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Speaker 1: Asking, Oh, interesting, what's the drive?

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00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: Oh we would fly?

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00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: God, that can't be economically reasonable?

642
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: Well, we all have. We have companion tickets, companion ticket

643
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: and tickets because we're Delta Sky. The sky Miles thing, you.

644
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: Don't know anything about flying. I'm convinced you know less

645
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: about flying than you do how to create a two

646
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: points What do you mean? What do you mean the

647
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: sky Miles. That's not how companion tickets work.

648
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: If you are a sky Miles member, if you are

649
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: registered and have a sky Miles credit card as being

650
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: a part of that group, you can have a companion

651
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: ticket for any flight and in the continental US and

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00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: like some other places in.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's a singular. It's a singular. I thought you

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Speaker 1: were saying like you had access to companion tickets on

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Speaker 1: the rags.

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Speaker 2: You're saying, no, we haven't used it yet. We would

657
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Speaker 2: have used it. We saved those for events such as this,

658
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Speaker 2: such as this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, hey, I don't know, given the way that

660
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Speaker 1: this year's gone, that they're gonna put us against one

661
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: another on the last game of the season next year.

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Speaker 1: But if they are, maybe that's something to look forward to.

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Speaker 1: Since you're so grimly moving past your seven percent chance

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Speaker 1: of still getting into the playoffs, what about.

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Speaker 2: What I said has come across as grim.

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Speaker 1: I don't we can ask. It just seemed I don't

667
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Speaker 1: grim maybe is not the right word. But defeat us

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00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: this I've been trying to talk you into. I've been

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Speaker 1: trying to talk.

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Speaker 2: I haven't been this mad since the Lions got hosed

671
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Speaker 2: at the end of that Steelers game.

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Speaker 1: Oh that thing where there was no bad calls, and

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Speaker 1: even Dan Campbell was like we did committed to.

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Speaker 2: Dad Campbell is never going to blame the refs. That's

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00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: the type of head coach we have.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Jamie, could you bring up that play? Jamie?

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00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: Both bring both both both?

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Speaker 1: Do you think anybody gets the Jamie reference or do

679
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: you think they think because the show's producer is Jay,

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00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: that it's just not been The point is I love

681
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: you a lot and I will be and I somehow

682
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 1: am rooting for you while not rooting for you, because

683
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: I would love to see you have a change here.

684
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: What my big thing is this year. I like that

685
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Speaker 1: the Ravens are probably not going to go. I like

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Speaker 1: that the Chiefs are not in. I would like the

687
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: Packers to be out. I would like you to be in.

688
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: That's what That's what the football universe needs. Unfortunately, that

689
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: comes face to face with what I need, which is

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00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: bro Show to hang a pound of touchdowns and a

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00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: bunch of yards on you and the Vikings to get

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00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: a tasty little Christmas cookie victory. But I just want

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00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: you to know that I'm thinking about you, and I'm

694
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: rooting for you, and I'm hoping that you, as you

695
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: transition in your NFL fandom into this Zach Martine two

696
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: point zero, a new version of a Lions fan, that

697
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: you will just continue to be the guy you've always.

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00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: Been based on everything that has happened in this podcast recording,

699
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: I don't since even a modicum of.

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00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: Sincerity, and you so sincere.

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00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 2: I don't believe it for a second, since I don't.

702
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: Your eyes are moving around like you're hiding from behind

703
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 2: a painting in a haunted house. Right now, You're like,

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00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: so I was in here.

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00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: I just don't like making an eye contact with you

706
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: because I don't know how you're feeling about what's going on,

707
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: and I don't want to aggravate you or trigger you.

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00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: Let's do predictions. Let's go ahead and do predictions. I'm

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00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: gonna let you have the four because you've kind of.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, please please please.

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00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: No no no, no, no, no, no.

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00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: You know what, For as long as no listen. For

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00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: as long as you and I have been talking lions

714
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: of Vikings on this podcast, I've always gone first. And

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00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: that is and you know, and that's selfish, and I

716
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: don't want to be selfish, particularly on the holidays. So

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00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: why don't you go ahead and go first? And then

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00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 2: I'll close it up.

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Speaker 1: You're not the host of the show, you know what.

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not, but I am. I am a

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00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: good person, and I just I can't in good conscience

722
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: let you have me go first again, because that is

723
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 2: just h it feels bad.

724
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Speaker 1: Well, because I know you're going through it, I will,

725
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: I will break my hosting rules and I will let

726
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: you have this moment of self fulfillment that you're searching for.

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00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I do think the lines are still

728
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: gonna score. I think they'll put about who's gonna say thirteen,

729
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: But I think they might put seventeen on the board,

730
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Speaker 1: but I want to stick with thirteen. I'm gonna say

731
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: thirteen on the board. I think the Vikings probably one

732
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty.

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Speaker 2: Eight yards cool, one hundred and twenty eight yards sure.

734
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Speaker 1: No, that makes makes points to thirteen yards.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen points. That's a thirteen that's not a pound of touchdowns.

736
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Speaker 1: That's not even two touch The Lions and the Minnesota

737
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: fan base spends an entire offseason arguing about what that means.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Zach, I think that the Bro Show is

739
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: going to result in how most people feel about individuals

740
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: who call other people Bro. He's gonna upset you, guys.

741
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna be pretty upset with his performance.

742
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: Nonsense. Why I not only do I think Bro Show

743
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: is gonna put on a show. I think Jefferson's gonna

744
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: come alive. I think we're gonna I think Bro Show

745
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: is going to hang a pound of touchdowns. I think

746
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: Jefferson's gonna have eight catches one hundred and forty yards

747
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: one Tuddy. Put it in the books, whatever books you have.

748
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: I know you're not a big reader. Put it in

749
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: a put it in and put it in a journal.

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00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: Write it down. Take that to the bank, and that

751
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: guy'll tell you we don't take stuff like this at

752
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: the bank.

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00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: But he will laugh. He will laugh at the suggestion

754
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: because because.

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00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have ever put that in the bank, because

756
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. But he was right about what

757
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: was gonna happen with Brochow and Jefferson.

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00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: I think that the Lions are going to come out

759
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: and play with it. I think they're gonna put up

760
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: the points that they put up early in the year.

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00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get thirty plus. I think you

762
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: guys might get twenty four, might get twenty four. I

763
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: think more realistic seventeen. I think Aiden Hutchinson has probably

764
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 2: three sacks. And if Amen Ra or Jamiir Gibbs don't

765
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: have three touchdowns by themselves, then Amen Ra, David Montgomery,

766
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: and Jamier Gibbs are all gonna have a touddy.

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00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: Okay, well those are two very different predictions, but I

768
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: don't have time.

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Speaker 2: No, it's three three three three rule of three, and

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Speaker 2: I just.

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00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: Like either they're gonna get three touchdowns themselves or three

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Speaker 1: total guys will get three touchdowns. Wow, what a wow,

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Speaker 1: What a wow?

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Speaker 2: What a.

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Speaker 1: Cover all your basis prediction. Here's the thing I care

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Speaker 1: about you deeply. I am I am wishing you. I'm

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00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: wishing you a very merry Christmas. I hope you enjoy

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Speaker 1: the game. I hope we enjoy the game. I hope

779
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: it goes well, I can't wait to text you on

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00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: Christmas during the game. What a nice moment for our friendship.

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00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for you and I care about you.

782
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what my holiday is going to be great,

783
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: just reliving your face after that little drop right there.

784
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 2: Enjoy the game.

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00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: Everybody, Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Don't you to our beep it beep it, but don't

787
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: cut that. Don't cut that beepit bebit beep babe.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to our sponsor. We really really

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sponsoring the show. Thank you to Zach.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Chad, who's normally here and not here

794
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: this week. Thank you to all of you for listening.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. We'll see you next week for

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