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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Chase Massner is an a

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Speaker 1: Rock War veteran, a husband, a father. His wife pulled us,

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Speaker 1: she dropped him off at a quick trip in Cobtown.

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Speaker 1: His family says he was last seen at a friend's

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Speaker 1: house in Kennesaw three years ago. It's like he vanished

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Speaker 1: from that home, not to be seen or heard from again.

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Speaker 1: Despite some intense searching, a few clues have been found.

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Speaker 1: We have absolutely no answers at all. Please. They're trying

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Speaker 1: to determine if remains found in the backyard of those

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Speaker 1: of an Army veteran who has been missing out for

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Speaker 1: three years. This is the home where three years ago,

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Speaker 1: twenty six year old Chase Master was last seen. The

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Speaker 1: search continues for a man wanted in connection with the

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Speaker 1: disappearance and now death of a young Cobb County father

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Speaker 1: and veteran. But it was the last person to see

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Speaker 1: Massner alive, and he is now charged with concealing a death.

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Speaker 1: You have to question why somebody would make the decision

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden to run A beloved son, a husband,

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Speaker 1: a United States veteran in the prime of his life.

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Speaker 1: Chase Masner goes missing, but in the last hours breaking

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Speaker 1: news in the Chase Masner death and disappearance. I Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is crime stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Oh how we investigated the disappearance of Chase Masner In

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Speaker 1: the last hours A man in court Brad Clement that

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Speaker 1: I actually helped track down and bang on his door

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Speaker 1: in an overnight motel to get answers. Clement appearing in court,

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Speaker 1: but still no answers. Listen to this gas back swearing ester,

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Speaker 1: Please raise right hand. Invested your ability to swear? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Having stay said you believe us? Yes versus North Carolina

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Speaker 1: you wished when you were set to school. Yes, But

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Speaker 1: how did we get here? Chase Masner missing for years,

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Speaker 1: years go by his wife wondering did he just leave me?

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Speaker 1: Did he abandon me and his own children. I recall

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Speaker 1: sitting in the living room and dining room with his

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Speaker 1: That's the way his mom describes him. That beautiful boy

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Speaker 1: turned into a young man that everyone loved that went

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Speaker 1: comes home to his lovely wife, absolutely lovely. I wish

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Speaker 1: and that is death. Chase. His remains were found behind

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Speaker 1: a so called friend's home. This young guy, Chase Masner,

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Speaker 1: an Iraqi war vette, went missing March twenty seven. After

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Speaker 1: a search which many people found questionable. It seemed as

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Speaker 1: if law enforcement was not taking his disappearance seriously, telling

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Speaker 1: his mother they think he just dropped off the grid.

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Speaker 1: The people that knew him the best knew that was

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Speaker 1: not true and that somehow he had met foul play.

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Speaker 1: And after I spoke to his mother and his wife, Amanda,

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Speaker 1: I knew for sure Chase didn't just go missing. He

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Speaker 1: just didn't walk away deciding never to come back. Listen,

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Speaker 1: the first several weeks, they were not actively investigating because,

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Speaker 1: in their words, it's not a crime to be missing.

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Speaker 1: If he wanted to walk away, it's not a crime.

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Speaker 1: Can you take me back to the day that Chase

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Speaker 1: all right, Okay? Then what he had been with us

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Speaker 1: before the pickup. Why over what you know? I don't

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Speaker 1: what's that money? I didn't know they were having problems

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Speaker 1: So he finally lands a job at quick Drip, but

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Speaker 1: So he leaves her on six thirty that evening three

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Speaker 1: Not until the next day. Is that normal for him

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Speaker 1: all you knew, the girls they went out to dinner

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Speaker 1: I got just proceeded as a normal day, and I

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Speaker 1: got a text from Amanda later in the afternoon. Did

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Speaker 1: Did she tell you what? No, she didn't give me

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Speaker 1: three twenty six. She took him to breath so they

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Speaker 1: made it for about three hours. Yes, got into an argument.

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Speaker 1: what time that day? Three twenty seven? Well, as soon

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Speaker 1: As soon as I got that text, I started calling

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Speaker 1: his phone. Sent Thursday March twenty seven, at three thirty

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Speaker 1: But I mean love and this message. Chase Masner missing

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Speaker 1: Quick Trip. This guy was making money for his family.

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Speaker 1: He was coming home at night to his wife and

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Speaker 1: And what's interesting Trey with me is Amanda's mom. Is

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Speaker 1: Chase his cell phone that night to come back. And

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Speaker 1: he thought the next day, while he ran errands. Then

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Speaker 1: and he was never seen again. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: Stephanie Kadena is with me right now. When I call

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Speaker 1: quick trip. You know what, I used to have an

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Speaker 1: I might add, and he would tell every jury it

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Speaker 1: and impu perjury on no one, which means different witnesses

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Speaker 1: So that could have been true for all I know,

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Speaker 1: she took him to Brad's house and he wasn't there,

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Speaker 1: and then dropped him a quick trip or whatever. It

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Speaker 1: could very well be that way. The fact is Brad

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Speaker 1: he was with Brad that afternoon. That night, Yes, by

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Speaker 1: Stephanie Kadena is with me right now. Also with me

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Speaker 1: is Daniel Wilkerson from CBS forty six, who has also

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Speaker 1: been on the story. At Brad's house, he was having

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Speaker 1: ruthing done. Is that correct? Yes? And did they any

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Speaker 1: of the rufers ever see him? They're alive. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: They were outside the home primarily they had a barbecue

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Speaker 1: Brad had a barbecue at some point. Yes, I mean

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Speaker 1: why I just cut him a check? Why would you

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Speaker 1: Brad gave them a chore of Brad's home, included the

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Speaker 1: thought that was odd. Well I agree with that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So at that time we have no reason to know

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Speaker 1: him being alive is that night around nine thirty. Yes, now,

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Speaker 1: if you take Brad's testimony, you know he saw him,

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Speaker 1: But as far as more anyone more than Brad. No,

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Speaker 1: me ask you this. If he went to Great Trip,

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Speaker 1: about thirty minutes. Is that true, Stephanie, that's what I've heard, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Breaking news in the Chase Masner death and disappearance. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, especially after I met Chase's

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Speaker 1: between when I was coming back from the store to

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00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: when I started cooking. Like I mean, he had to

428
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: act like I mean that that's the only logical thing.

429
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 1: So you go on. I think it was March twenty

430
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: six ish to pick him up at Quick Trip and

431
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: it was at nine around. Okay, all right, you pick

432
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: him up and bring him to your place directly, Ordy,

433
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 1: I'll drive around. No, he was good, drect. I mean

434
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: it was right down the street. Okay, So you didn't

435
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: drive around to hit to score and nothing like that.

436
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: You guys, try him eyes. So you go home. What

437
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: does he do? I mean, we just sit there and

438
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: start talking. We're actually I had a bunch of stuff

439
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 1: that I was building a computer with so I had

440
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: him helped me carry a bunch of stuff in and

441
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: then I started building the computer that I was actually

442
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: not this one, put a different one, and I had

443
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: you know, we just sit there and kind of just

444
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: talk because we had talked, you know, two or three

445
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: nights ago about the same thing too, what about him

446
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: and amand of fighting and all this stuff they fight about.

447
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: I mean it was like money and stuff like that

448
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: because she wasn't working and h you know, he didn't

449
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 1: really talk too much about it, but I just told him,

450
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, with it. You know, he was a lucky guy,

451
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: and you know, it's got two beautiful kids, a beautiful wife.

452
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, you know, it's okay. What most

453
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: people want, you know in life is to be you know,

454
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: fulfilled with those two things. You know how much? You know,

455
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: why was he not happy with that? Was it money problems? Dope?

456
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: What was it? I think it was more or less

457
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: money problems, I mean, because you know, like I said,

458
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: I just I really didn't know him that that well,

459
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: Like I mean, it was this was so longer that

460
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: we actually talked about this, like you know, and it

461
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: was mainly me talking, you know, other than him. You know,

462
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: he stay there listening and you know he said that

463
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: he was like telling him, Mandy, he was going to

464
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: run off and like sleep in the woods and all

465
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: this stuff. But yeah, you didn't hear that. Uh no, Yeah,

466
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: that's that's been another big thing, like go off and

467
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: sleep in the woods. Yeah, and why I wonder if

468
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: he tried to do that and died. I mean I

469
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: figured I would have fin found him by then, Like

470
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 1: what just let me just go off and sleep in

471
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: the woods. Did you hear him say that? Yeah? He

472
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: said it, you know a couple of times, and I

473
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: was like, I said, it was bs and you know,

474
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: because he wants to go sleep in the wood. Yeah, exactly.

475
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: He went in the other bed room door open, shut,

476
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: door opened. So later that day, you gave the roofers

477
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: a tour of your home? Was he there? Oh see,

478
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: I didn't really give them a tour of my home

479
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: because they've been there before. They told me that you

480
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: gave him a tour of your home that they showed

481
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: you showed him around your house. I mean I guess,

482
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: but like that will probably at like four o'clock or something,

483
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: four or five o'clock. I mean, I didn't really think

484
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: that was the end of the day. Yeah, when you

485
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: came back from publics, was he there? I didn't check

486
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: were the bedrooms upstairs? Yeah? So you leave for publics

487
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: at what time? Gosh, probably twelve ish or something like that,

488
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: and he was there for you to leave him, go

489
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: to lows, go to publics, get back, start a fire,

490
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 1: put the fire out, and go up there. It's probably

491
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: like two o'clock. I mean he was gone, and he

492
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: was gone, and like he had taken his bag and

493
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: everything that he had, Like he had a little bag

494
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: and then he had his He left his two little

495
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: balls of beer in my in the closet. But other

496
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: than that, did you see it coming that he was lading? Yeah?

497
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: He did that every time, Like he would just disappear

498
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: every time every time that I then he was over

499
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: my house. He would always ever tell me he was leaving.

500
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: He would have just disappeared. A mandat him up like

501
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: so that was his m So I wasn't too world

502
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: in disappeared two or three. I mean each time he

503
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: had been in my house, he always just left. So

504
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: would the roofers have been in a position to save life,

505
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: they should have Like that's what I thought, you know,

506
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: that's why I assumed they just saw him, don't leave,

507
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: because I mean, they were worked there. The house had

508
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: a steep um see at this point when it was

509
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: really smoky, they had to get down off the roof

510
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: there because that's you know, And that's why I assumed,

511
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, that Chase had heard them running around or whatever.

512
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: I don't even know how that he was sleeping with

513
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: all that noise. It was just like, do you think

514
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: everybody's pointing to finger at you? Because I'm the person

515
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: that nobody knows and I'm just like that odd piece

516
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: to see him and his disappearance doesn't make sense, but

517
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: in a way it does. If he kept telling people

518
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: who's gonna leave and go live in the woods? Are

519
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: you sure about that? Yeah? That was I mean, that's

520
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: that's well known too. I'm pretty sure I mean that

521
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: he said that. I think his mom knows that. In

522
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: the last hours, so called friend bride Clement in court,

523
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: he pleads guilty to concealing the Army vet Chase Masner's death,

524
00:30:42,600 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: but never gives real answers. You believe that unders North Carolina?

525
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: You wish to store, Yes, but how did we get here? Listen?

526
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: Daniel Wilkerson from Channel forty six. Daniel is standing outside

527
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: the medical Examiner's office. Daniel, what happened? I'll tell you

528
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: it's been a shock for everyone. Right now, I'm standing

529
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: outside again the Medical Examiner's office here in Cobb County,

530
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: and we think we may get the preliminary results right now.

531
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: They have just told us that they found a body

532
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: in the backyard of that home in Keenness, Hal They

533
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: have not made a positive ID as of yet, but

534
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: I was speaking with Chase's mother, Stephanie, late last night

535
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: and she feels that this is Chase. Police had told

536
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: her something that has made her think that apparently there

537
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: was something that they found with the body that makes

538
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: them think that this is in fact Chase Daniel. Right now,

539
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: Brad Clement on the run. I don't understand it. If

540
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: he had spoken at all with a defense attorney, the attorney,

541
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: if he was worth his salt or she was worth

542
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: her salt that goes in her bread, would have said, look,

543
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: we don't know any cause of death. You can probably

544
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: get off with the disposing of a body. But instead

545
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: this guy goes on the run. What do we know

546
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: right now? Where is Brad Clement. Well, the latest coming

547
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: from my source close to the investigation, says that the

548
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: fugitive unit here in Cobb County. They have searched Brad's

549
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: mother's house and they did not find him. Of course,

550
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: she has a basement in that house. I've been there

551
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: several times, and so the thought was a general thought

552
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: was that he may be there. Of Course, her address

553
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: was listed on his arrest warrant, so they did not

554
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: need a search warrant to go over there. But I

555
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: just got that news that they searched that house. I've

556
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: been told by my source that the fugitive unit they

557
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: know the general area where he is. In their words,

558
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: they say, we are one step behind him right now.

559
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: But of course he is not in custody Nancy. Right now,

560
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: we have breaking knees in the search for Chase mast

561
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: from NBC eleven alive Bastown, handcuffed and in the rain.

562
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: The fugitive accused of covering up the apparent death of

563
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: a Cobb County a rock War veteran, was arrested today

564
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: outside of a Publix. Brad Clement was on the run

565
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: for six days. Ryan Krueger now joins US live from

566
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: the Cobb County Jail, where Clement is now being held

567
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: without bond. Last Friday, Clement had told authorities he's going

568
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: to turn himself in for those charges of covering up

569
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: the apparent death of Chase Master. Instead, Clement decided to run.

570
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: He didn't get very far. He was arrested just one

571
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: county over Brad. Clement apparently ditched a dozen three blue

572
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: Honda Civic had warned about. Late last week, car was

573
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: found at his mother's house. It was this U haul

574
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: that pill say he was driving. Investigators say Clement rented

575
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: the truck under a phony name and then didn't return it.

576
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: On Thursday, acting on a tip the Community Ariff's office

577
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: is Fugitive Task Force, along with the US Marshals and

578
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: backup from the Camp County Police, arrested Clement at the

579
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: Toco Hills Shopping Center off of North Druid Hills Road.

580
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: And this photo you see him face down while it's

581
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: pouring down rain. Clement is last person to ever see

582
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: Chase Massner alive three years ago. Family friends tell us

583
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: Massner stayed the night at Clement's home. Fast forward to

584
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: last week, when authorities found human remains buried in the

585
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: yard of that home. Those remains havn't yet been positively

586
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: identified as Massner, and it's not clear how the person died.

587
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: All of these arenzers that investigators hope to get to

588
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: as the only suspect in this case is now behind bars.

589
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: It's often said that when a case ends in court,

590
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: there's closure for the victims' families. I on a personal level,

591
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: can say there is no closure. There will never be

592
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: closure for his widow, for his children, for Chase's mother. Listen,

593
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: this is her her words, Judge, My only son is

594
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: gone forever after March twenty six, twenty fourteen, I like

595
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: to change forever. My only son, Chase Master Say Biden

596
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: meeting and drove away, never be seen alive again. The

597
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: last person he saw rag Clement. We searched high low

598
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: for Chase and maabed and pleaded for answers for almost

599
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: five years, and still today I experienced agony, turmoil, sleepless nights, nightmares,

600
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: and his tacks. Now on many days I could hardly

601
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: get out of bed. My son was not suicidal. He

602
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: didn't do this to himself. Who's loving father and husband

603
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: and would have never left his two little girls. He

604
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: loved life. He was funny, hapy, go lucky and an

605
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: entertainment and enjoy all who him. I write these words,

606
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: what words cannot begin to explain the torment me and

607
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: my family and Chase his friends have been put through

608
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 1: at the hand hands with Brad Plain. Living each day

609
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: about Chase is a death sentence to me. Someday I

610
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: will see him again. Until then, I ask God for

611
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: strength you can get through each day and to make

612
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: my son proud Judges, I tould the cord Um. This

613
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: had a such an impact on Chase's wife, Mandy, that

614
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: she eventually moved out to West and Um we've got

615
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: an in depth discussions about the case and about passions

616
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: with the case of family members and today ye who's

617
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: to put my phone today? And I'm authorized to share

618
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: the record that both she and Stefy Chase his mom

619
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: said that they believe this place the life they do

620
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: because upon Stace. So we're doing their support. We can

621
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: only pray they can go on with their lives. Ter

622
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: Clus play raise right, man and invest of your ability

623
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: to swear firm that any testament you should give the

624
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: matter enough thing before discourse being true. Quol None of

625
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: the drinself about the English any one yards M. Fry

626
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: shawmun correct, Yes, yours you Clanning stays charged in this

627
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: indictment that I've reference twenty three, one, four six or

628
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: two counts concealing death of another inmaking laws law enforcement. Um,

629
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: there's a span of years that's cleared in count one

630
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: of the days in this three indictment are crimes and

631
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: heard on in between March twenty, two thousand and fourteen

632
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: in August twenty first or two thousand and fifteen. Chunter

633
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: two of the indictment law is a different day equal

634
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: of four two thousand and fourteen and their laws. The

635
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: discussion that this defendant has lead detect long case the

636
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: e of Chris Twiggs on that police offers now here

637
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: in the courtroom and support of this resolution to day Judge,

638
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm about to give you a factional basis people to

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Speaker 1: receive a total sentence for fifteen years eight years to serve.

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Speaker 1: The balance will be served on probation, but will be

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Speaker 1: a fine policable pace in search argers. There's no contact provision.

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Speaker 1: The defense is asking that this plea be tendered pursuing

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Speaker 1: to the decision of North Carolina versus offered and don't

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Speaker 1: have an objection to that. Part of the agreement that

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Speaker 1: I have stated that for the record, which was a

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Speaker 1: component of our discussions, is as the state will not

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Speaker 1: have any recommendation to the Pearl Award about when at

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Speaker 1: allso defended story receive Pool Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,