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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It is the Drive on the

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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network US shooler Matt Williamson with you here

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Speaker 2: two hours on a Wednesday, as we are a week

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Speaker 2: away right about this time, Matt from Free Agency officially opening.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course the Negota less then yeah, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and then a lot of things happening this

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Speaker 3: time a week from now.

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Speaker 2: There certainly will and a lot of those will we'll

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Speaker 2: come down the line Monday Tuesday and then become official

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Speaker 2: at four o'clock on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: But every day we get something good leading up to it.

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Speaker 2: It's great every day I do too. It's it's you know,

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Speaker 2: between now and the draft is an interesting time of

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Speaker 2: the year. There's always something happening. And we are certainly

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Speaker 2: far from the NFL slowing down, which they do a

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Speaker 2: little bit in May and June slightly, but certainly not

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Speaker 2: this time of year. And Matt News of the day,

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Speaker 2: We've got plenty of big things to get to. There's

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Speaker 2: a pretty significant trade that we have to discuss. But first,

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Speaker 2: according to Adam Schefter, the Steelers and a move that

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Speaker 2: we all thought was, you know, going to happen, almost inevitable. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: sounds like it is pretty close to being official here.

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Speaker 2: The Pittsburgh Steelers will release veteran tight end John new

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Speaker 2: Smith ahead of the new league year. Via Adam Schefter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could see it's coming from mile away because

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Speaker 3: they saved like eight or nine million, something like seven million. Yes,

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Speaker 3: so that's another after releasing Calvin Anderson, that's another nine

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Speaker 3: they created. I still think Malik Harrison could be another

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Speaker 3: shoe to drop. Anyone knows the Steelers knows that they

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Speaker 3: usually don't make moves until they have to. So maybe

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Speaker 3: they were hanging on to John who like maybe get

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Speaker 3: a six round pickout something, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean, similar to Cordero Patterson last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like we don't need the money right

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Speaker 3: this minute. As for Smith, I really liked him being

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Speaker 3: included in the Ramsey Menka deal.

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Speaker 2: Same.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, not just him and Arthur Smith were buddies

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Speaker 3: and had a lot of success together. I'm like, that's

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Speaker 3: a weapon. I mean, that's a movable chess piece in

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Speaker 3: the passing game.

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Speaker 2: Ninety receptions, nine touchdowns, nine hundred yards twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Four, right, and a lot of them were shorter stuff,

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Speaker 3: and you know that, like Tyreek gott heard, and they

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Speaker 3: kind of got that kind of production by default for Miami.

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Speaker 3: But he's always been a good player. He's always been

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Speaker 3: a movable chess piece. And frankly, I thought he was

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Speaker 3: really bad here. And I don't think it's because he

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Speaker 3: got used drastically different. But he knew he's not going

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Speaker 3: to block anybody, which is fine. You knew that coming in.

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Speaker 3: I mean as a receiver, though you'd think he'd be

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Speaker 3: a good blocker, he had hard time like blocking safeties

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Speaker 3: and let alone linebackers or dns. He really had a

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Speaker 3: tough time separating I mean his route stuff. I mean

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Speaker 3: he did not get open regularly. He was always good

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Speaker 3: after the catch, produced very little after the catch here

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Speaker 3: and just really didn't create any kind of mismatch advantages.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think the Steelers used him wrong looking back,

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Speaker 3: and there's some Monday morning quarterback here. And I was

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Speaker 3: frankly hard on them, especially in the second half of

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Speaker 3: the year, that he was getting anything close to equal

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Speaker 3: snaps to Friar Muth or Washington, because I think he

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Speaker 3: quickly turned into those players that hey, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Happy to put him out there. Happy that guy's on

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Speaker 2: the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're doing me a favor putting him out there.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully for his sake, he just was fighting a hamstring

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Speaker 3: or there's something bugging him, and he can get a

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Speaker 3: rejuvenation on life at a new place because he will

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Speaker 3: get another opportunity. But they must thought the same thing,

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Speaker 3: because they gave him a pretty nice contract the day

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Speaker 3: they traded for him, and.

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Speaker 2: I thought, and none of us batter than I about

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Speaker 2: I never.

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Speaker 3: Thought anything different about it. They're gonna live in twelve

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Speaker 3: and thirteen personnel and have three really different tight ends.

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Speaker 3: I like this strategy. He just didn't live up to

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Speaker 3: it at all. And now with a totally different scheme change,

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Speaker 3: you don't need three. I mean, it's already gonna be

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Speaker 3: hard to feed. Friarmuth in Washington Opinion. You know, like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how they'll divvy up snaps, but I'm

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Speaker 3: glad he's not taking anything away from those guys. And

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Speaker 3: of course I'm much right of the money.

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Speaker 2: I think there were on each side of the football.

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Speaker 2: If we can do you know, the hindsight twenty twenty thing,

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Speaker 3: It's been a word of warning for next week. Everyone

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Speaker 3: you add is not going to hit folks.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Oh I got that problem, solve check. Never have to

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Speaker 3: worry about it again in my life. That's not how

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Speaker 3: it works, dude, No it does not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the best laid plans of mice and men right right,

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Speaker 2: when we all got to Latrobe in late July, I

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Speaker 2: think we certainly looked at the tight end room and

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Speaker 2: we said, oh, that's going to be a matchup nightmare

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Speaker 2: for opposition defenses.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals have Burrow, Jamar Chase and t Higgins. That's

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Speaker 2: their matchup problem. The Ravens they can hit you with

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry, that's their matchup problem. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is going to be the Steelers. Those three tight ends,

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Speaker 2: their skill set, what they can do in Arthur Smith's offense,

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Speaker 2: and that was not the case. I think the other

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Speaker 2: thing was just how the secondary shook out completely different

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Speaker 2: how big of a role people like Eccles and Pierre

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Speaker 3: That it were an opportunity for Pierre. He stepped up

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Speaker 2: You know, I think it was better in the secondary.

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Speaker 3: Well, especially the second half of the season when Ramsey

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Speaker 2: And Joey Porter Junior really started to settle in and

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Speaker 3: Of the lineup. Who I think not kicking third on

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Speaker 3: these dudes that left. But I think Slay's career is

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Speaker 3: he wasn't super excited about tackling you know, things like

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Speaker 2: Those are the two things in hindsight that I think

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Speaker 2: we all thought at the end of July. Okay, the

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Speaker 2: secondary is going to look and operate like this, yep.

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Speaker 2: The tight end room is going to look and operate

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Speaker 2: like that, and they certainly was not the case. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Matt twenty twenty three with the Falcons John new Smith

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Speaker 2: fifty receptions, five hundred and eighty two yards, three touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: That's a really good year.

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Speaker 2: And then he follows it up with the best year

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Speaker 2: have been like, dude, are you kidding me? That numbers

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Speaker 2: should be closer to the catches?

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Speaker 3: Only translate to under three hundred yards too. Like I said,

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Speaker 3: there's nothing after the catch, the movement. Stuff's just not there.

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Speaker 2: All throughout his career the one year in New England,

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Speaker 2: other than his rookie season, the one year in New

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Speaker 2: England and twenty two, he averaged nine point one yards

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Speaker 2: per reception. Every other year double digits, ten, eleven point six,

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Speaker 2: ten and a half, ten point nine, twelve and a half,

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Speaker 2: twelve point nine yards per reception. Just seven or something

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Speaker 2: just it was, it was. It was very underwhelming for

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Speaker 2: so yeah, I think this one, just this this made

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Speaker 2: a lot of sense, and you wish him well and

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Speaker 2: you hope for his case you know, it was like

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Speaker 2: you mentioned a health thing and he can kind of

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Speaker 2: put that experiment to rest.

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Speaker 3: No, there's an easy decision, especially after the coaching change,

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Speaker 3: when you're not going to be so tight end centric,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, then it became as easy as

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Speaker 3: decision as could be. I mean, based off last year's

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Speaker 3: tape and how you plan to use that position going forward,

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Speaker 3: there's just no room for him at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, So that's kind.

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Speaker 3: Of the head So yeah, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seven million dollar cap relief that that you don't

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Speaker 2: have to feel like you need to go out and

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Speaker 2: and and fill that fill that void. Matt. The big

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Speaker 2: news of the day, Yeah, a pretty big trade involving

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Speaker 2: a name that we've discussed plenty, Dj Moore. We had

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of conversation on this show around

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Speaker 2: football circles in general that Chicago's up against the cap.

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Speaker 2: You know, they've got a nice stable of young, talented

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Speaker 2: today he was traded to the Buffalo Bills, a very

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Speaker 2: wide receiver needy team. Certainly, the Buffalo Bills get Dj

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Speaker 2: Moore in a fifth round pick. The Chicago Bears get

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Speaker 2: a second round pick from Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's about the correct compensation. When so,

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Speaker 3: I was doing a podcast earlier that didn't end up

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Speaker 3: like I want to see what the compensation is before

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Speaker 3: we comment on it. Because Schefter reported for about fifteen

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Speaker 3: twenty minutes before he's going to be a Bill. We

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Speaker 3: just don't know what the deal is get and like,

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Speaker 3: I'd like the no deal.

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Speaker 2: Before we start doing a show here. I'd like to

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Speaker 2: know the parameters.

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Speaker 3: And I thought it might be at least a fourth,

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Speaker 3: maybe a third. So I guess I was pretty close.

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Speaker 3: I mean a late second is what they get back,

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Speaker 3: which is a nice pick, don't get me wrong, but

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Speaker 3: they had the thrown a fifth to make it work.

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Speaker 3: I assume the Bills are eating the majority of his contract.

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Speaker 3: I think he's got a big deal and the Bears

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Speaker 3: are up against it. Not the Bills are flush with

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Speaker 3: caps either, but the Bills are up against it. There

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Speaker 3: was a lot of rumors that he'd be involved in

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Speaker 3: a Max Crosby deal, you know, so him moving doesn't

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Speaker 3: surprise me at all. It's a couple of notes on this.

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Speaker 3: So when Ben Johnson took over like a year ago,

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Speaker 3: as you mentioned, they quickly took Burden even though they

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Speaker 3: didn't need to, and they took a doonesday of the

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Speaker 3: year before. And I think a lot of that is

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Speaker 3: if you watch DJ Moore's tape two years ago, he

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Speaker 3: did not give maximum effort on every route at all.

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Speaker 3: I mean he seemed very disinterested. And this year was better,

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Speaker 3: but the team was better, and you know, it was

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Speaker 3: a frustrating team to be on two years ago. Without question,

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Speaker 3: they got fired. Caleb's taking sacks left and right. The

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Speaker 3: line's bad, but there was a lot of effort things that, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't love to see that. No, and he's a

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Speaker 2: According to Chef, their Buffalo will be guaranteeing fifteen and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so his twenty twenty sixth salary is fully guaranteed.

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Speaker 2: He's he's got some legal stuff.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't be hard to get him under the cap now.

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Speaker 2: Makes a lot of sense, right, makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 3: That kind of makes me sad. It's kind of like

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Speaker 3: Like I think Hayward had a better career than Cam Jordan,

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Speaker 2: Ye, certainly, certainly.

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Speaker 3: I only played fifteen SAPs a game.

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Speaker 2: I will though, always remember back in twenty eighteen, Cam Jordan,

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Speaker 2: I think going into that game and then things kind

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Speaker 2: But leading up to that game, Cam Jordan was asked about,

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Speaker 2: Yes, other than those foolish comments that he made about

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Speaker 2: really good that was really well done. You sent me

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Speaker 3: I want to say, yeah, Deontay Lee wrote it like

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Speaker 2: Yes, And basically the players left after DJ Moore that

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Speaker 3: See someone get cut, someone get traded, but they're the

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Speaker 2: And we will discuss those when we return. Just getting

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Trade market is rolling along free agency, staring us right

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Speaker 2: down the barrel. So, Matt, the names that will define

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Speaker 2: the next month or so. Yeah, in the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: This is a good article that you sent me. As

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Speaker 2: you mentioned by is it Deontay Lee and just different

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Speaker 2: players at different positions, whether they're traded, whether they're cut.

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Speaker 2: How that affects the trade market and everything that's going

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Speaker 2: to happen in free agency.

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Speaker 3: These are all names you guys will know that could

448
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Speaker 3: be on the move.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's start with the quarterbacks here is they're

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Speaker 2: kind of always at the top of the list. Mac Jones.

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Speaker 3: Again, I host a podcast with a Niners fella, and

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Speaker 3: it's kind of a running joke at this point, how

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Speaker 3: can I get Mac Jones on the Steelers? You know, like,

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Speaker 3: I think he probably will go. They've come out and

455
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Speaker 3: said that they want a first or second round pick

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Speaker 3: for him. I think that's really rich. I think you

457
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Speaker 3: could pry him away for a three and a five.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a really good player. He's not for

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Speaker 3: me for the Steelers, but I don't see a great

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Speaker 3: landing spot for him other than Frankly, if you look

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Speaker 3: at his career the end of Belichick year or two,

462
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Speaker 3: when they had a defensive coordinators or offensive coordinator, things

463
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Speaker 3: got pretty crazy in New England. Yeah, end of the

464
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Speaker 3: Belichicky he had no chance to succeed. But other than that,

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Speaker 3: everywhere he's gone he's done good things. Like I think

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Speaker 3: he's one of the best thirty two walking the plan.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would agree.

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Speaker 3: If he moved better, I would consider it for the Steelers. Like,

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Speaker 3: that's my thing is, Like, I just think his ceiling

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Speaker 3: is limited because he's not a playmaker.

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Speaker 2: Anthony richardson Indianapolis Colts. We've talked about him a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I think he definitely goes.

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that ship sailed. And if

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Speaker 3: I'm the Rams or the Chiefs or the Bills Packers, yeah,

476
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Speaker 3: I mean Willis Leeves put him right there, Ravens, right,

477
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Speaker 3: I think there's so many landing spots for him that

478
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Speaker 3: you could get him cheap. I don't know that his

479
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Speaker 3: style of play works here great, nor is there room

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Speaker 3: for him, you know, assuming Rogers comes back, Will Howard

481
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Speaker 3: you in more often cases than not, I would be like,

482
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Speaker 3: take a chance on the unbelievably talented yeah, right, right, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean he could we could be talking about him

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Speaker 3: like we're talking about Willis in a year from now

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Speaker 3: or something.

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Speaker 2: Another name we've mentioned a few times in the in

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Speaker 2: the past couple of months, Tanner McKee, the Eagles, back.

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Speaker 3: Up your Eagles. Guys, probably love them them. Everybody loves

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Speaker 3: the guy. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Last last year when uh hurt remember hurts missed that

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Speaker 2: game last year and they started Kenny Pickett. All the

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Speaker 2: all my Eagles guys were like, why aren't we starting

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Speaker 2: Tanner McKee? Why? Why is Kenny Pickett the guy McKee's

494
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Speaker 2: so much better? I don't I'm not at practices. I

495
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Speaker 2: don't know, but I know in Philadelphia circles they think

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Speaker 2: very highly of him.

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Speaker 3: What also hurts him is he's just a pocket passer too.

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Speaker 3: I mean by today's NFL, he's pretty stiff, tall, linear

499
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Speaker 3: drop back guy. But a lot of Eagles folks they're

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Speaker 3: not saying he's better than Hurts, but they'd rather try

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Speaker 3: it with McKee, who plays the game totally different and

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Speaker 3: Hurts and feed Brown and Smith and god Art as

503
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Speaker 3: opposed to run the ball as much and get a

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Speaker 3: pick for Hurts and dump them off your cap. You know,

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Speaker 3: let's just see what this looks like with all those resources.

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Speaker 3: Keep aj Brown, you know what I mean. And there's

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Speaker 3: a case for that.

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Speaker 2: At least a name that I think you and I

509
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Speaker 2: talked about just a week or two ago, Derek Carr.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: I think so too.

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Speaker 3: When he retired, he was very vague about it and

513
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Speaker 3: I know no one cares about like my fantasy team,

514
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Speaker 3: but in a super flex league where you play quarterbacks

515
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Speaker 3: or gold, I had car and I just never cut

516
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Speaker 3: him all year. I'm like, he's going to be back

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Speaker 3: next year. Yeah, and he's gonna probably start for somebody.

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Speaker 3: He's not a superstar, but we weren't talking about Rogers

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Speaker 3: for the Steelers at this point last year either. If

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Speaker 3: everything falls through, I know it's not super inspiring, but

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Speaker 3: you could get him for a fifth round pick and

522
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Speaker 3: see what happens and work on Will Howard or you

523
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Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like he's an NFL player, I

524
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Speaker 3: mean he's a good star.

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Speaker 2: Him or Mac Jones.

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Speaker 3: I think Carr compensations less well for what you have

527
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Speaker 3: to pay Carr. Who makes you win better today.

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Speaker 2: Probably Mac Jones.

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Speaker 3: Probably Mac Jones, and definitely for the future Mac Jones.

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Speaker 3: But I don't want to be married to Mac Jones.

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Speaker 2: And if you trade a third round pick for him,

532
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Speaker 2: it's at least a year. It's at least a year

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Speaker 2: or two and it's.

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Speaker 3: A disastrous season and you're picking fifth and you just

535
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Speaker 3: draft short sellers hey sign up for.

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Speaker 2: That's about either most tradable non quarterbacks number one on

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Speaker 2: the list, AJ Brown wide receiver, Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 3: Do you think he gets moved I kind of lean

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Speaker 3: towards yes, yes, Yeah. It's been so much smoke for

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Speaker 3: so long.

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Speaker 2: And it just feels like it's reached the boiling points. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Like there was this same smoke last year, but they

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Speaker 2: were coming off winning.

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Speaker 3: A Super Bowl. We're not trading.

545
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Speaker 2: Just won the Super Bowl. We're gonna run it back,

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Speaker 2: I think now though. And they they need some you know,

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Speaker 2: they need some cap considerations because they've got big, chunky,

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Speaker 2: you know cat like, yeah, some bills that are coming

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Speaker 2: due for some contracts that they've kicked down the road

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Speaker 2: for a while. They could certainly use the draft capital

551
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Speaker 2: because they're going to need to replace a lot of

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Speaker 2: pieces in the trenches in the coming.

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Speaker 3: Even like Saquan's probably not long for the league at

554
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Speaker 3: his prices, and you know, like Eagle's out a great window.

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Speaker 3: But they better start keeping more than just a corner

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Speaker 3: of the corner of their eye on the future too.

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Speaker 3: It can't just be win now for them.

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Speaker 2: Surprise, not surprisingly, number two on this list, Max Crosby.

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Speaker 3: I think he gets traded in the next like forty

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Speaker 3: eight hours. I still think the Bears. This move to

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Speaker 3: me implies the Bears or setting them pills up for that.

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Speaker 2: I think by the time you and I go on air,

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Speaker 2: maybe even tomorrow, but by the time we go on

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Speaker 2: air Monday.

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Speaker 3: I bet he's moved.

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Speaker 2: I'd be surprised if Max Crosby was a Raider on Monday.

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Speaker 3: Me too. And then think about the draft capital the

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Speaker 3: Raiders are gonna have, you know, and the Raiders could

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Speaker 3: look a lot different a week from now after they

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Speaker 3: go get four or five like the top free agents Linderbaum,

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Speaker 3: Ciamalu like you mentioned, Okay, the old line's done. Put

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Speaker 3: Mendoza in there, and you know right.

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Speaker 2: I think that would be smart.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Michael Pittman, junior wide receiver, Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 3: I think I've said this before, but Pittman and Ayuk

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Speaker 3: are the two of them most interested for the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Ayuk's not gonna get traded. He's gonna get cut like

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Speaker 3: any minute now. I think Pittman will get cut, but

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Speaker 3: only when they know Pierce is.

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Speaker 2: Locked down, locked up.

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Speaker 3: So there's been some reports that they didn't franchise Pierce,

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Speaker 3: but they are deep in talk still. Yes, I don't

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Speaker 3: know how true. I mean, you have to calf believe

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Speaker 3: those things. But I don't think they can keep both easily.

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Speaker 3: Considering but Pittman be a kind of like exactly what

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Speaker 3: the Steelers ordered, you know, like he's not a monster

588
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Speaker 3: huge contract, he's still really good. Certainly doesn't prohibit you

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Speaker 3: from using the first or second round pick at the

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Speaker 3: receiver position, and you could be really good there. Ayuk's

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Speaker 3: a bit more wild card.

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Speaker 2: But Cole Comet tied in Chicago Bears. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this one makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Loveland's a star.

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Speaker 2: Loveland is a beast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh, they would they would save about eleven million dollars

598
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Speaker 2: in cap space. I mean, they've they've.

599
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Speaker 3: Got somebody pick them up immediately.

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Speaker 2: They've got a Dounza and Luther Burden and Loveland, like

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Speaker 2: they've got weapons on that offense.

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Speaker 3: And even with a more trade, they're still pretty tight

603
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Speaker 3: against cap have a lot of defensive needs.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this is, you know, if they do end up

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Speaker 2: dealing for Crosby, and this is their way to still

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Speaker 2: kind of make the cap work and pick up some

607
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Speaker 2: more draft capital that they're gonna have that Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you could trade Comet and Dj Moore for all

609
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Speaker 2: intents and purposes, for the draft capital for Max Crosby

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Speaker 2: and some cap and some cap relief. I think that

611
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Speaker 2: makes a ton of.

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Speaker 3: Sense, right right, I mean, if it's if you're close

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Speaker 3: to that me in a wash, do.

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Speaker 2: It, Brandon Ayuk. Ayuk's time is up in San Francisco,

615
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Speaker 2: he says, ayuke time is up in San Francisco. Feels

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Speaker 2: like the most logical move is a reunion with his

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Speaker 2: college roommate Jade and Daniels in Washington. That would make

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Speaker 2: a lot of sense, the commanders needing a receiver like

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Speaker 2: Ayuk on the perimeter to open up defenses for Daniels.

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Speaker 3: But I would have tons of interest. I would, And

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Speaker 3: ob obviously the organization here has had a obvious interest

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Speaker 3: in Ayuk. Maybe that's Tomlin and staff driven. Maybe that's

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Speaker 3: Omar and Andy driven. Maybe it's everybody likes him. Two

624
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Speaker 3: years ago he was the top three or four receiving

625
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Speaker 3: a league and he really didn't do anything to make

626
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Speaker 3: you think he's a lot worse of a player. Sure,

627
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: but the injury was a long time ago. His behavior

628
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: is bizarre. I mean, nobody just walks away from guaranteed money.

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Speaker 3: He basically like that some million. Nah, I'm good, so you.

630
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Speaker 2: Yourself, and then there's doing that.

631
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Speaker 3: But you're probably buying him on thirty cents on the dollar,

632
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, whatever his contract is now,

633
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Speaker 3: the day he gets cut is not going to resemble

634
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Speaker 3: the one that he signed, not even clothes.

635
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Speaker 2: This isn't he might be better.

636
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Speaker 3: You might be your best receiver in almost any room.

637
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Speaker 2: He walks into absolutely interesting one for me on this list,

638
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: Boota Baker safety of the Arizona Cardinals.

639
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this player. I just wish he wasn't thirty. Yeah.

640
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Speaker 3: I looked at the name too. I'm like, oh, I

641
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Speaker 3: bet you could get.

642
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Speaker 2: This was two years ago, we'd be like, yeah, sign

643
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Speaker 2: me up.

644
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Speaker 3: I think he's one of the most underrated players this generation.

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Speaker 2: Completely agree.

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Speaker 3: Won't ever get in the Hall of Fame, but probably

647
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 3: should you think that that good? Yeah, like as good

648
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 3: as Minka Irwin, all those dudes. Just no one ever

649
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: paid any attention to him. The Desert got drafted by

650
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Speaker 3: the same team. They've asked him to four million things.

651
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: I don't think he'll get caught. They won't cut him,

652
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Speaker 3: but she trade him to a contender or trade deadline

653
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: type guy. You know.

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00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: Tremaine Edmonds another name that we've discussed from the Chicago Bears,

655
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Speaker 2: nearly eighteen million dollar cap hit, only twenty seven years old. Yeah,

656
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: he's he's the he's the B plus student making valedictorian.

657
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

658
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: And I think it's come out that they've said Tremaine

659
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: feel free to seek a trade trade, which nine out

660
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: of ten times means we're gonna cut you in a

661
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: day or two. We can't pay great. And when he

662
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: gets your market, he'll be coveted. No, I mean, I

663
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: don't think he'll get like as much as Devin Lloyd,

664
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: but I think he'll be go from eighteen million a

665
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: year to eleven or twelve million a year. And the

666
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: Steelers were to move on from Queen, I'd be like call.

667
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 2: Him yeah, yeah, right right, yeah, Oh, he's I mean

668
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: still good, still good, got a experience, only twenty seven.

669
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: Fame in the league. Really crazy Juju young Uh.

670
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: Interesting name 'shaun Gary edge rushers of the edge rusher

671
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: of the Green Bay Packers.

672
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: They're also up against it, and the Parsons trade just

673
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: makes the dollars really tight because they gave Gary a

674
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: huge deal and then traded for Parsons. Not that Gary

675
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: didn't deserve the deal, he was coming off a great season.

676
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,239
Speaker 3: They also drafted van Ness in between there as an

677
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: edge guy. He's a little different than those two. There's

678
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: been talk that they might move on from like Jenkins

679
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 3: Gary a couple of their bigger name dude, Eldon Jenkins

680
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: would really interest me. But I think Gary will be

681
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: sought after. He's a b edge player, which like a Heismith,

682
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: I mean, which is great. That's a compliment.

683
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: Another another one of those guys, same conversation, only twenty

684
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: five years old, Cavon Thibodeaux of the New York Giants.

685
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he might get traded last year because

686
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 3: they signed burn Or. They traded for Burns and then

687
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: drafted car and drafted Carter, which they didn't know that

688
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: Carter was going to be clearly the best player on

689
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: the board whenever they made the Thibodeau deal. Before that,

690
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: they go won too many. He's good, not great. I

691
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: still think his best football could be ahead of him, though,

692
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: uh one or two like after like a Max Crosby,

693
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: Domino falls or Hendrickson signs and then like the Lions

694
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: making off yeah, yeah, something like that, you know what

695
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: I mean?

696
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: One or two more here? Uh a Sean Robinson defensive

697
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: tackle from Carolina.

698
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: He actually kind of interested me.

699
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: He's just like y, yeah right, I mean one year deal,

700
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: the twelve million dollars.

701
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: He's gonna get cut or traded or whatever. I don't

702
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: want to give him twelve. But he's had a solid career.

703
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: I say old man because I remember like on his

704
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: draft day he looked like he was forty years old

705
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: and a grown man, come out of bad you know this,

706
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: and he plays like it, you know, like he will

707
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: his whole life, you know.

708
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: Last one familiar name formerly of this parish Menka Fitzpatrick.

709
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they're gonna be horrible.

710
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: He can still play.

711
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 3: He can still play. I would think you could get

712
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 3: a pick for him.

713
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: What's funny. One problems funny is I feel like he

714
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: would be a perfect fit in Buffalo. But they're not

715
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: going to trade him to a division, right. They're not

716
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: going to Buffalo now giving up a second round pick

717
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: is not going to have a cat have acquired. I

718
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: think he would fit really nicely on that defense.

719
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: There's no way they cut him.

720
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: No, I don't because he's a he's a resource. Yeah,

721
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: he's an asset.

722
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: And maybe it's when they're one and six of the

723
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: trade dead line or whatever.

724
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: And even if you move him for a third round pick, like,

725
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: it's still still something. But I would be shocked if

726
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: he plays seventeen games for the Dolphins next year.

727
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: So I should have known this, but I brought this

728
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: up like a month ago, like Steelers should be interested

729
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: in Menca too, like we were talking about like Waddle

730
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: and you know people that could be on the move

731
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: from teams. Steelers are not allowed to trade for him.

732
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: There's that weird n where three years.

733
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah years, it's either.

734
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: Maybe it's two, but you can't trade for a guy

735
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: that you traded within X amount of days and so

736
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: he cannot the Steelers cannot trade for him. They could

737
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: somehow acquire him. I don't free agent, right yeah, but

738
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 3: he's not going to free agency, so that it sounds great.

739
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: I'd love to put him back in free safety. But

740
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: they're not allowed to trade for him right now. That's

741
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 3: kind of weird.

742
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: That is kind of weird, but I also get it though,

743
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: but it's it is kind of.

744
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: It's almost like I'll trade to him then you treat

745
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: me back next week, and I'll trade him back to

746
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: you next week.

747
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: It's almost like things that you have parameters in fantasy

748
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: football that could be to make sure no one's in

749
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: cahoots trying trying to help each other out too much.

750
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: The hardballs just trade people back and forth, over and over. Oh,

751
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: you're going to the playoffs, borrowing for a month, Yeah,

752
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: and give us back to the season.

753
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just trade. Let's just trade Linderbaum back and

754
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: forth as need a.

755
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

756
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: We'll wrap up the first hour conversation here when we

757
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: returned Wesheeler Matt Williams, and it is the Drive Steelers

758
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

759
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: You were two weeks about Drive on your twenty four

760
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: to seven home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation.

761
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 4: Radio, continuing to get ready for free agency, the NFL Draft,

762
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: everything on the horizon in the coming days, weeks, and months.

763
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: Here on the Drive, closing down this first hour, Matt

764
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: Todd McShay his final Combine thoughts, I guess if you will, yeah,

765
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: post Combine Risers, post Combine Fallers, and some big board thoughts.

766
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: And some of this caught my eye because some of

767
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: this in here is not surprising at all, like some

768
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: of his post Combine risers that we can get to

769
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: here in a second. A lot of these names you

770
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: and I discussed over the past week.

771
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: Put Tony Styles on there.

772
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, exactly, it's it's a little too easy to

773
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: have Sonny Styles on there when he tests just like

774
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: an absolute freak, right, and uh and and and yeah,

775
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: I mean that makes a lot of sense to everybody.

776
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 2: Some of the people that he had his post Combine fallers, though,

777
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: we were interesting to me. So let's go through the

778
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: list here. Sonny Styles was obviously his biggest riser. I mean,

779
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: he's one of the best workouts I think that anybody's

780
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: ever seen.

781
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: With three to the Cardinals. Yeah, I mean, I don't

782
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: think he gets far out of the top five at worst.

783
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: So when we especially in this type.

784
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 2: Of draft, you know, about ten minutes from now, when

785
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: we return for hour two, we're going to go through

786
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: that exercise. If we're going to go through the top prospects,

787
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: and would you trade the twenty first pick right now

788
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: for this guy? Sonny Styles isn't easy. Yeah, he's an easy.

789
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: Just because he's special. Yeah, yeah, I.

790
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 2: Mean six five two forty five. The forty yard dashtime

791
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: of four point four to six just unbelievable.

792
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: Today's NFL two has coverage, skills and versatilities.

793
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: Wingspans, wingspans nearly eighty one inches.

794
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, high, a little different than mostly Yes.

795
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: Yes, number two on his risers list, A name that

796
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: you have been on since probably the end of January

797
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: when we really started having these conversations. Then Roe Feeling

798
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: tackle out of Georgia.

799
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a pure left tackle, you know, kind of

800
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: the prototype sixty seven moves really really well. Yeah, yeah,

801
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: you did it.

802
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I just I'm conditioned by my daughter.

803
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 3: And really just got better and better and better on

804
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: tape all year and.

805
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: Just eighteen career starts.

806
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: I've heard some George Well, that's Sames Broderg. There are

807
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: some similarities to Rodger Jones.

808
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: What's what's crazy about him is basically the scouts, the

809
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: real evaluators will tell you his highlight tape is as

810
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: good as any thing.

811
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 3: You'll see some of the combo blocks again, but his second.

812
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 2: Level, but his low light tape is really bad.

813
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's not that experience. I mean, there's but

814
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: it's got the low light tape was adding less and

815
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 3: less to it as the season went on, which is

816
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: good now, you know. So that's good.

817
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: Progress and his final riser. I kind of feel proud

818
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: of myself because I was talking about this guy before

819
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 2: the combine Eli Stowers, tight end Ada Vanderbilt.

820
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: The testings bonkers bonkers.

821
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: Him and Trigger are clearly my my guys right behind

822
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: behind Sadik. But man, he his testing was out of control.

823
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: For vertical for a tight end. I mean, I know

824
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: he's a lighter guy, but still.

825
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 2: That is that is ridiculous. Four five one, second fastest

826
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 2: amongst tight ends. He's got the physical traits. He everybody

827
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: raves about his football IQ. I mean, Vanderbilt is one

828
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: of those Vanderbilt is one of those schools where academics

829
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: still matter. Oh yeah, yeah, It's like it's like a

830
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: Stanford or you know some of those some of those schools.

831
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: Academic can still still do play a factor in a conversation.

832
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,959
Speaker 2: But yeah, he just six he's almost six'.

833
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 4: Four.

834
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: Uh he can move like. Crazy some teams even kind

835
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: of see him in that slot receiver.

836
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: Role, ACCORDINGLY i don't think him up in.

837
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: Like Some kelsey. Potential if everything hits for, him like

838
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: that is type of what's going on With. Kelsey by the,

839
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: way we still haven't heard anything on his. FUTURE i

840
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: guess we haven't in terms of retiring or coming back

841
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 2: OR i kind.

842
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: Of hope he hangs it. UP i, mean he's not

843
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: the player.

844
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: He, was AND i could see him being, LIKE i

845
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: want to go out on a full year With Patrick,

846
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: HOLMES i think.

847
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: SO i, MEAN i know they've been. ENGAGED i, mean,

848
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah I'm.

849
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: I'm sure he has plenty plenty going. On him And

850
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: jason were over doing a bunch of stuff with The

851
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 2: olympics AND. Nbc so, YEAH i mean he's got, Options

852
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: he's got certainly a high profile. MARRIAGE i Think i'd

853
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: be surprised if he comes. Back but if it ends

854
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: up being.

855
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: But If pat's, like let's do one more, run you, know.

856
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: And it ends up Being june And july and we

857
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: still haven't heard, anything and it's, like, oh he's going

858
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: to report the training camp on a. One, yeah you

859
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: can see.

860
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: It it's terrible to, say but you, wonder not that

861
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: he's making a, fortune but sometimes players at this or

862
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: at this level and their, contract but they're such legends

863
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: you almost hope they, retired like it's better for the,

864
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: Tea Like i'd rather a twenty million Than, kelly you

865
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: know WHAT i. Mean But i'm not telling them we're

866
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 3: not cutting. You there's no.

867
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: Way that happens post. Combine Followers number, ONE i think

868
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: maybe the most interesting case of anybody in this. Draft jermad,

869
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: McCoy the cornerback out Of tennessee who did not play

870
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 2: at all in twenty twenty. Five do THE acl tear

871
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 2: and McShay, says not to sound, drastic but when's he

872
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: gonna work? Out when's he gonna? Compete when are we

873
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: going to see him do? Anything that's the.

874
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: Thing you expected that by, now and by now after

875
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 3: missing an entire, season it's.

876
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: Been thirteen months since he had THAT ehcl, injury so

877
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: it's been.

878
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 3: A massive red. Flag you thought you'd see him do

879
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: something athletic In india and he.

880
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: Didn't AND i know he's got The Pro, day but,

881
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: man what if it doesn't go well for him at

882
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: The Pro?

883
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: Day that's the thing, too it's his last. Shot, yeah

884
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: what if it. DOESN'T i mean he runs a four

885
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: to six or, something you, Know so.

886
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: That one on his follers didn't surprise, me just because

887
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: the the nature of the. Thing, yeah no one seen

888
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: him do anything Since december of twenty twenty. Four the

889
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: other two names on his follows, list, though were surprising to.

890
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: Me the First Malachi.

891
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 3: Fields, yeah he just didn't run, great but it didn't

892
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: bother me that. Much like his three cone was. DECENT

893
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: i don't think his jumps were particularly, great but he's

894
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: not a super explosive. PLAYER i guess he was getting

895
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: like late first round buzz entering the combine and now

896
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: he's probably stealer second round, neighborhood you, Know, OKAY i

897
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: guess that's a, faller BUT i wouldn't crush him for.

898
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 2: THAT i wouldn't either in like four four six, ONE

899
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 2: i know that's not, great but that's if.

900
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: It's a four five, nine people aren't say, anything you

901
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: know WHAT i, mean that's so, dumb exactly. Right he'll,

902
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: goes he'll go To Notre dame's pro day and run

903
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: a four five. Seven maybe you, know we won't be

904
00:40:59,520 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 3: talking about.

905
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: It and then the last one AND i kind of

906
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: liked this and it, was you, know not the greatest

907
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: workout for him, either but that's not his. Game Lee,

908
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: hunter the defensive lineman out Of Texas.

909
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: Tech horrible, jumps but he's a no. Sack but he's

910
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: a no, sackle Right, like he's not super explosive and

911
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 3: twitchy off the, snap but that's not really his job.

912
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: Description it's.

913
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: Not and, hey if he wants to hang around and

914
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: be an option for The steelers there at fifty, three,

915
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 2: YEAH i wouldn't be against.

916
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: It tape's, good he has a little bit of pass

917
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 3: rush to. Him senior bowl is.

918
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: Good McShay says he still has him as a top fifty.

919
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: Prospect he's just moved him, down you, know closer to

920
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: fifty than he was.

921
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: Before, OKAY i, MEAN i guess that's.

922
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: Fair and then for McShay two toughest players to evaluate

923
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: and rank one of them another name we've discussed plenty of,

924
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: times the big boy From florida defensive Lineman Caleb, banks

925
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: who has freakish traits and freakish size but only played

926
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: three games last year because of the foot. Injury and

927
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: Then cashier is how the edge rusher out Of TEXAS

928
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: a and m who's another one of those guys who

929
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: just looks the part but his arms are a little

930
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: short and you, know likes real, Quick LIKE.

931
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: I would imagine Through todd's, eyes like SHOULD i push

932
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: him up to like eighth? Overall like is this guy a?

933
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,959
Speaker 3: Superstar but, BOY i need a little more to back

934
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 3: me up to do, that, sure you. Know or even

935
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: In dane's two round, mock he fell well out of round,

936
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: one you, Know LIKE i can see why there's differing.

937
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: Opinions he went to The ravens at like forty seven

938
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: five pretty well.

939
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: Into the second. Round, yeah BUT i just looked at

940
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 3: him and be, like he's so. RARE i, mean they're

941
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: just not many body types on the in the, league

942
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: let alone on the planet like. Him how is a

943
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: really strange evow Because i'm not sure anybody in this

944
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: draft or many in recent, memory are better at bending

945
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: that shorder and getting. Low there's sacks that they don't

946
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: even touch them because he's so low and so fast

947
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 3: bending that. Edge but he's.

948
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: Little he's got the tiny, ARMS.

949
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: I mean tiny tiny, Arms like people are talking About bain's.

950
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 3: Arms his are. Shorter there's nobody in the. LEAGUE i

951
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: don't eve think there's an edge rusher drafted in like

952
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 3: twenty years with his short of. Arms and he doesn't

953
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: even really use them because in the run game he

954
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: just gets, steamrolled and the past game he just kind

955
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: of doesn't get. Tight he runs right under the.

956
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: Table arm measurements didn't become an official thing until two

957
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: thousand and. Three, okay which man in the sounds.

958
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: Nuts it does sound.

959
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 2: So much of this stuff didn't become officials, Scouting, yeah,

960
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: combine we keep track of.

961
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: THIS i guess like the good scouts did it when

962
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: they went INTO.

963
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: Lsu like, yeah Like Bill bill, Not i'm sure had

964
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: it all in his, notebook but. Didn't it wasn't collectively

965
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: kept record wise by the league until two thousand and.

966
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: Three if he's drafted in the first, round it will

967
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: be the shortest arms of any edge rusher drafted in

968
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 2: the first round since they started keeping track of that

969
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: in two.

970
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: Thousand it might even be the whole. Draft. Crazy, yeah

971
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: but he is a designated pass. Rusher he's one of

972
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: those dudes there's only out there in specialty. Situations and

973
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: some of his pass rush reps are unbelievably. Good you,

974
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: know they just set people up and getting low and

975
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 3: exploding off the edge where he doesn't even really use his.

976
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: Arms so here's what we're gonna. Do that's the first

977
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: hour in the, BOOKS a fun exercise to start our number,

978
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: two we're gonna keep track of. This matt AND i

979
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: are going to go through the big board, here, okay

980
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: and we're gonna see how many prospects we each come

981
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 2: up with that right here, Today, Thursday march, Fifth matt

982
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: AND i would sign and trade The steelers twenty four

983
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: first pick for right. Now let me say that, again

984
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i really word sounded sloppily that who would we

985
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: trade The steelers twenty first overall, pick first round pick

986
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: for right? Now matt AND i will, discuss we'll compile

987
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: of our list to kick off our number. Two Yu'ler.

988
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 2: Williamson it's The Drive Steelers Nation radio on The Steelers Audio.

989
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:58,200
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