WEBVTT - The Murder Years: Ep. 8 - The Curse

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<v Speaker 1>This series is inspired by true events. The stories you're

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<v Speaker 1>about to hear are fictional, and so are the characters

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<v Speaker 1>who are played by actors. In the late summer of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty seven, days after escape convict Stephen Hartford is

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<v Speaker 1>captured and sent back to prison, my friends and I

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<v Speaker 1>leave for our first year at college. We're so excited

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<v Speaker 1>to go and have a fresh start, but putting in

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<v Speaker 1>the past four years of tragedies behind us isn't easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Tatiana remembers that time pretty clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>All of the murders that happened in Mount Pine from

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<v Speaker 2>our freshman year through our senior year changed us radically.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean really, or at least they changed me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I moved to New York City for art school,

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<v Speaker 2>and my parents were not thrilled about it. They bought

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<v Speaker 2>me mace for my key chain, they signed me up

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<v Speaker 2>for self defense classes, and in their minds, New York

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<v Speaker 2>work was way more terrifying than Mount Pine. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>so sure about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I remember that first semester at college. I had

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<v Speaker 4>a night class and I actually wrote this in my journal. Here,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll read it. I wrote, I'm scared walking through the

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<v Speaker 4>quad on Wednesday nights, I'm constantly looking over my shoulder,

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<v Speaker 4>preparing myself to be attacked.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I should drop the class.

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<v Speaker 5>I was studying fashion merchandising at school and enjoying my freedom,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe a little too much. I actually went wild, if

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<v Speaker 5>I'm being honest, I was drinking a lot and dating

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<v Speaker 5>a lot, if that's what you even call that. And now,

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<v Speaker 5>looking back, I think I was trying to drown my

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<v Speaker 5>sadness and my pain from all those years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we all had our ways of coping. I tried

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<v Speaker 1>to do the long distance thing with my high school

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend Ethan, but that ends up fizzling out. I throw

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<v Speaker 1>myself into my classes, and the first few months we

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<v Speaker 1>were away, I'd call home and my parents would say

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<v Speaker 1>everything in Mount Pine seemed to have calmed down. Not

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<v Speaker 1>a single murder, suicide, or freak accident for thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed as if the curse or whatever it was,

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<v Speaker 1>had been lifted or simply vanished. Thirty years of peace

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<v Speaker 1>and quiet. Mount Pine became the idyllic town it was

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<v Speaker 1>always meant to be, until it wasn't, and terror reigned

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<v Speaker 1>again like a hibernating bear. A thirty year hibernation the

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<v Speaker 1>Curse woke up and the murders started again. I'm Nancy Clark.

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<v Speaker 1>This is The Murder Years, Episode eight.

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<v Speaker 3>The Curse.

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<v Speaker 1>So back to college for a minute. My group of

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<v Speaker 1>friends continues on with our college studies. I focus on school.

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<v Speaker 1>I love my communication classes a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought I.

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<v Speaker 1>Would go on to be an interviewer of some kind,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe on a show like Entertainment Tonight or maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty Minutes. But I eventually find my niche as a

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<v Speaker 1>magazine contributor and end up traveling around the country in

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<v Speaker 1>search of good stories. Tatiana studies art in New York

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<v Speaker 1>and after a few years moves back to Mount Pine.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned so much, and living in New York was

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<v Speaker 2>my real education. Eventually I graduated, but after a few

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<v Speaker 2>years of waiting tables and doing the struggling artist thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I moved out of the city. Yeah, I got married.

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<v Speaker 2>I started teaching art at our local community college.

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren goes to school in Dallas. Then after graduation, relocates

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<v Speaker 1>to Houston.

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<v Speaker 7>Marketing, and then I ended up getting a job at

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<v Speaker 7>this high end hotel spot worked my way up to manager.

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<v Speaker 7>I like making people feel good. I guess I never

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<v Speaker 7>could have imagined ending up there, but I really love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Carla eventually graduates with a degree in sociology.

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<v Speaker 4>The highlight of my college years was meeting the guy

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<v Speaker 4>who would become my husband. Shortly after graduation, we got married,

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<v Speaker 4>then started having kids. Then we moved back to Mount

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<v Speaker 4>Pine in twenty twenty four. Boys, yeah, oh, no joke.

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<v Speaker 3>They were a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 4>Once they were all in school and I had my

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<v Speaker 4>days free, I went to work at a nonprofit, then

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<v Speaker 4>decided to go back to school and become a paralegal.

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<v Speaker 1>Melanie also ends up back in Mount Pine.

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<v Speaker 5>I studied fashion merchandising, but you kind of have to

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<v Speaker 5>live in New York to make a real go of

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<v Speaker 5>that career, and so I moved back to Mount Pine

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<v Speaker 5>to be closer to my family.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're all living our lives, and then in twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>Mount Pine calls me back. My mom is diagnosed with

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<v Speaker 1>cancer and needs me to come home. We had already

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<v Speaker 1>lost my dad back in twenty ten. That was awful,

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<v Speaker 1>so of course I drop everything and come home to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of her.

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<v Speaker 3>It was good to have you back in town.

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<v Speaker 4>You'd been back for visits over the years, but when

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<v Speaker 4>you moved back. I remember how shocked you were at

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<v Speaker 4>how big Mount Pine and the surrounding areas had become.

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<v Speaker 4>We had new housing developments, new shopping centers, tons of

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<v Speaker 4>new restaurants.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we even got a sushi please.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh wow. The population exploded, like tripled. And while I

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<v Speaker 5>missed the small town feel of the Mount Pine that

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<v Speaker 5>we all grew up in, it was kind of exciting

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<v Speaker 5>to see all the growth. I mean, new movie theaters,

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<v Speaker 5>new boutiques, the Bowling Alley was remodeled.

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<v Speaker 1>So Melanie, Carla and I are busy, but we see

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<v Speaker 1>each other when we can, and before you know it,

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<v Speaker 1>ten years has passed. It's twenty twenty two and my

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<v Speaker 1>mom finally succumbs to cancer. All of the girls come

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<v Speaker 1>back for her funeral, and it means so much to me.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just so sad. I loved your mom.

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<v Speaker 7>No one can prepare you for how much it hurts

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<v Speaker 7>to lose a parent. We were all happy to have

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<v Speaker 7>each other no matter what.

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<v Speaker 1>So I plan on leaving right after the funeral, but strangely,

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<v Speaker 1>something tells me not to go just yet. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>first time the five of us have been together since

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<v Speaker 1>we left Mount Pine for College. And the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>The woman's body has been found in the woods behind

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<v Speaker 2>Mount Pine Community College.

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<v Speaker 3>And a week after that.

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<v Speaker 1>A gruesome discovery in a north Side home.

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<v Speaker 8>And ten days after that, I'm at the scene of

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<v Speaker 8>yet another murder.

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<v Speaker 1>It's deja vu all over again. The five of us

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<v Speaker 1>are devastated by the news. More murder, multiple murders. This

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't happened in thirty years. We had a murder reprieve

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty years. I mean, is it us? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that the five of us are together? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that what sets the curse in motion? We all meet

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<v Speaker 1>at Millie's Diner to talk.

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<v Speaker 5>We were sitting in Millie's, a cute little outdoor cafe

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<v Speaker 5>on Main Street, and the talk was all about the news.

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<v Speaker 7>All of a sudden, a lot of sirens went by.

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<v Speaker 7>What was with all the sirens? What was happening?

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<v Speaker 1>I take up my phone and google Mount Pine a

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<v Speaker 1>headline two young children murdered by their deranged mother.

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<v Speaker 4>I called my dad. He was a paramedic, he would

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<v Speaker 4>know what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>The sirens drown out Carla's voice on the phone. When

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<v Speaker 1>we all sit there in silence, watching the fear grow

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<v Speaker 1>on her face as she listens to her father. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>Carla hangs up the phone.

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<v Speaker 4>What my dad told me was horrible, so so horrible.

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<v Speaker 3>His unit was called that morning. The scene was gruesome.

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<v Speaker 4>He said that a single mother killed her two young children.

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<v Speaker 8>A single mother killed her two young children, and she

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<v Speaker 8>confessed it seems late the night before, while the children

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<v Speaker 8>were still asleep, the mother carried them to the garage,

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<v Speaker 8>put them in their car seats in the car, buckled

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<v Speaker 8>them in. Then she turned on the ignition, locked the doors,

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<v Speaker 8>and went into the house. Two hours later, she called

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<v Speaker 8>nine to one one. The children were three and four

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<v Speaker 8>years old. When I got there, the two boys were

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<v Speaker 8>already dead of carbon monoxide poisoning.

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<v Speaker 1>Carla's dad says the woman admitted to suffering from depression

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<v Speaker 1>after having her second child, and she just couldn't take

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<v Speaker 1>it anymore. And she did it because she believed her

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<v Speaker 1>kids would be better off dead than being raised by her.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just don't have any words.

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<v Speaker 7>I couldn't believe it. Two dead kids and their mom

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<v Speaker 7>is the one who killed them.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, today we know so much more about postpartum depression,

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<v Speaker 5>but back then not so much. I just remember wanting

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<v Speaker 5>to get the hell out of Mount Vine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been almost two months since my mom's funeral. My

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<v Speaker 1>plan was to leave Mount Pine and go back to work,

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<v Speaker 1>but now everything's changed in six weeks. There's a new

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<v Speaker 1>wave of evil and I want answers.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Can anything from the past help make sense or stop

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening today?

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<v Speaker 3>I am determined to find out. I'm staying.

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't believe what was happening to us again. It

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<v Speaker 4>took me back to high school. I felt it viscerally

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<v Speaker 4>and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't like it. It was unsettling.

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<v Speaker 4>And now that I had kids, my mama barons thinks

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<v Speaker 4>for coming out. I had to protect them at all costs.

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<v Speaker 1>One case that absolutely blows my mind is one just

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<v Speaker 1>four blocks away from me. A forty something year old

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<v Speaker 1>guy strangles to death his long term girlfriend, shoots her

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<v Speaker 1>two dogs, then drives them one hundred miles away and

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<v Speaker 1>buries them all in a shallow.

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<v Speaker 5>That story was so insane. I mean, that guy was

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<v Speaker 5>a monster. I think a hunter stumbled onto their shallow

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<v Speaker 5>grave a few weeks later, so I mean, they found

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<v Speaker 5>the bodies, but they couldn't find the killer.

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<v Speaker 1>My friends and I are glued to our TVs, wondering

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<v Speaker 1>where the guy is and if cops are going to

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<v Speaker 1>catch him anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 4>I was so relieved when they caught him. It was

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<v Speaker 4>actually crazy. One night, a driver saw him standing on

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<v Speaker 4>the edge of a bridge about to jump off. He

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<v Speaker 4>was about to commit suicide, but instead he was persuaded

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<v Speaker 4>to come down and cops arrested him without any problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Then two months later there are all these random attacks

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<v Speaker 1>on joggers around town. Three women are beaten and sexually assaulted.

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<v Speaker 1>The masked man attacks women early in the morning and

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<v Speaker 1>late in the evening.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to stop running.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just to scary to be out there, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was upsetting because police couldn't catch this guy, even

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<v Speaker 4>with the descriptions the women were giving. I couldn't take

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<v Speaker 4>it anymore. Who is this guy living amongst us? Is

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<v Speaker 4>it the guy checking me out at the grocery store,

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<v Speaker 4>or the guy fixing my car, or is it my

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<v Speaker 4>next door neighbor. Nobody knew who it was or how

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<v Speaker 4>he kept getting away with it.

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<v Speaker 3>We weren't safe anywhere.

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<v Speaker 5>Then he actually killed someone. He killed a young woman.

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<v Speaker 5>She was a kindergarten teacher. She had only moved him

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<v Speaker 5>out Pine about five months before he raped her, and

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<v Speaker 5>they finally got his DNA and it matched. He was

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<v Speaker 5>a married ex cop from Northgate, an ex cop.

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<v Speaker 1>And as if all this isn't enough, stuff keeps happening.

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<v Speaker 1>A woman poisons her husband, a sixteen year old girl

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<v Speaker 1>dies in a motorcycle accident, a firefighter accidentally runs over

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<v Speaker 1>and kills his young son, and the mayor's brother commits suicide.

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<v Speaker 5>I was ready to close my business and move far,

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<v Speaker 5>far away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm almost ready to leave with Melanie. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>why why do we have so many tragedies in Mount Pine?

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<v Speaker 1>Why us can we chuck all of this up to

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<v Speaker 1>the influx of people like maybe they're they're the ones

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<v Speaker 1>who have brought these problems to our town. No, because

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<v Speaker 1>we had the same problems back when Mount Pine had

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<v Speaker 1>a population of just twelve thousand people. I ask some

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<v Speaker 1>of the detectives who talked with me about the cases

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<v Speaker 1>from the eighties, what's their take on this new wave

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<v Speaker 1>of crimes.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it was unbelievable. It was happening again, and they

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<v Speaker 6>were all so violent. You know. I was starting to

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<v Speaker 6>come around to agreeing with people that maybe Mount Pine

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<v Speaker 6>was cursed. I didn't believe mount Pine was cursed, I

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<v Speaker 6>mean cursed. How do you even prove.

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<v Speaker 9>That bad things can and do happen all the time

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<v Speaker 9>in places like Mount Pine. I mean, it's often related

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<v Speaker 9>to poverty and drugs, but Mount Pine didn't really have

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<v Speaker 9>too big of a problem with either, So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>After this new string of crimes, I'm more convinced than

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<v Speaker 1>ever that we're cursed. We grew up hearing the story

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<v Speaker 1>that Mount Pine was supposedly built on sacred Native American land,

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<v Speaker 1>especially at where mister Billingsley lived in that new subdivision.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember he was our history teacher who was murdered by

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<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend's ex. If the stories are true, then he

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<v Speaker 1>lived right in the middle of that stolen sacred land.

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<v Speaker 3>But are they true?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it all links back to that, to some horrible

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<v Speaker 1>thing the towns founders did on the land, some horrible

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<v Speaker 1>thing we're still paying for today. Since I'm the person

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<v Speaker 1>who needs to know everything, I talked Tatiana into going

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<v Speaker 1>with me to the Mount Pine Library to help me

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<v Speaker 1>learn more about this.

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<v Speaker 2>The libraryan told us where the Native American history and

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<v Speaker 2>culture books would be, and we just dug in.

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<v Speaker 1>We PLoP ourselves down and start reading, and we learn

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<v Speaker 1>a lot like legend has it when a building is

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<v Speaker 1>built on an ancient Indian burial ground, the building and

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<v Speaker 1>its inhabitants get terrorized by vengeful spirits. Oh, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>this one tale I read about from Vermont. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>the details and dates vary. Some say it's from the

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<v Speaker 1>mid seventeen hundreds, others the late eighteen hundreds. In any case,

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<v Speaker 1>suppose the Brunswick Springs in Vermont are considered sacred and

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<v Speaker 1>have healing powers, And at one point the Abenaki tribe

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<v Speaker 1>took an injured soldier to the spring and the water

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<v Speaker 1>healed him. The soldier later returned because he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>bottle the water and sell it, and he ended up

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<v Speaker 1>killing a Native American man and his child who tried

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<v Speaker 1>to stop him. Someone in the tribe then placed a

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<v Speaker 1>curse on the springs, and buildings in town gave way

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<v Speaker 1>to inexplicable forces of nature, like fires in sinkholes.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's another story we found. It happened in Charles Island

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<v Speaker 2>in Connecticut. Legend has that the land there is sacred

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<v Speaker 2>and anyone who tried to build on it would be cursed.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't find anything official that says Mount Pine was

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<v Speaker 1>built on sacred Native American land or that it's cursed.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if the Mount Pine Historical Society has any

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<v Speaker 1>information that could be useful. I probably should have gone

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<v Speaker 1>there first. I wonder, am I about to learn that

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<v Speaker 1>all the bad stuff in Mount Pine was in his

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<v Speaker 1>payback for?

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<v Speaker 6>What?

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<v Speaker 1>For what the white man has done to the Native

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<v Speaker 1>Americans in the area. That would make perfect sense to me.

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<v Speaker 10>I wanted to help in any way I could. There

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<v Speaker 10>were so many tragedies in town. I wanted to know

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<v Speaker 10>why they happened too.

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<v Speaker 1>Doris Winslow and I went to school together. Well, she

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<v Speaker 1>was two years older than I was today. She basically

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<v Speaker 1>is the Mount Pine Historical Society, which is run out

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<v Speaker 1>of the old Victorian house in the center of town. Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 1>she agrees to talk with me.

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<v Speaker 10>So, knowing you were coming, I pulled what information I

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<v Speaker 10>could find, and there wasn't a lot, but this was

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<v Speaker 10>interesting to me. So there were these mound builders. They

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<v Speaker 10>were ancient Native Americans who built large mounds out of

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<v Speaker 10>the earth, and it's been said they lived and built

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<v Speaker 10>the mounds from the Great Lakes down to the Gulf

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<v Speaker 10>of Mexico and the Mississippi River all the way to

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<v Speaker 10>the Appalachian Mountains, and reportedly the earliest ones stayed back

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<v Speaker 10>to around it was three thousand BC, and many people

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<v Speaker 10>believe the mounds were used for a variety of reasons,

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<v Speaker 10>burials and ceremonies, religious ceremonies, and some were also used

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<v Speaker 10>for centers where government work was conducted. So anyway, there

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<v Speaker 10>were a lot of stories associated with these mounds. But

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<v Speaker 10>basically once the Europeans showed up, diseases and war followed,

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<v Speaker 10>and some believed that there was a fear of the

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<v Speaker 10>mounds and ghosts roamed them. And it seems like there

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<v Speaker 10>may have been some mounds in Mount Pine. So does

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<v Speaker 10>that mean there's any connection to all that's happened in

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<v Speaker 10>Mount Pine. I have absolutely no idea, but I do

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<v Speaker 10>find it interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I do too. Detective Peters is right, there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>to prove a curse.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish there was. God.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we're the curse, us girls whenever we're together, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm the curse. It's like all the murders happen

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in high school, they stop when I

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<v Speaker 1>left for college. Then I return to town and so

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<v Speaker 1>do they, or maybe it's just a bunch of messed

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<v Speaker 1>up people doing truly messed up things. The sad fact

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<v Speaker 1>is that we may never know why these murders happened,

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<v Speaker 1>back then, why they're happening, and today all we want

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<v Speaker 1>is for to stop.

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't care that you aren't able to solve

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<v Speaker 4>this mystery, this mystery that is Mount Pine.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad you did this.

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<v Speaker 4>Even though it brought back a lot of painful memories,

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<v Speaker 4>it helped me to process and deal with it all.

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<v Speaker 4>I pushed a lot of my feelings down and this

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<v Speaker 4>helped give me closure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it helped me too.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it helped all of us, and I hope

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<v Speaker 7>we were able to honor the memories of the victims.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, our friends, classmates, our teacher, and our fellow Mount pineers.

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<v Speaker 5>So here's de Lisa Anderson, Don Cartwright, Daniel Walters, Charlotte Murphy,

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<v Speaker 5>Victoria Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Billingsley, Buster Charles, the brave women who were able

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<v Speaker 2>to outsmart that escaped convict, and the most recent victims

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<v Speaker 2>of Mount Pine.

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<v Speaker 1>All we can do really is hope to put the

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<v Speaker 1>murder years past and present behind us. Mount Pine deserves

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<v Speaker 1>some peace. We all deserve some peace, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure we'll ever have it.

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<v Speaker 8>I heard what you're doing, talking to people, digging up

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<v Speaker 8>all these old crimes. All I gotta say is you

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<v Speaker 8>better be careful because you might be next.

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<v Speaker 1>The Murder Years is a production of a y R

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<v Speaker 1>by Michael Selditch. Original concept developed in partnership with Anne,

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<v Speaker 1>Legal counsel for AYR Media. Jeanni Douglas, Executive producer for iHeartMedia,

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<v Speaker 1>Maya Howard. Performances for this episode by Gabrielle Carteris as

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Clark, Kelly Deadman as Tatiana, or La Cassidy as Melanie,

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<v Speaker 1>Maricilda Garcia as Carla, April Adams as Hilda Dathan B.

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<v Speaker 1>Williams as Detective Peters H. Richard Greene as Detective Wallace,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Hendricks as Lauren Collins, John Ralston Craig as Reporter

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, John Ralston Craig as voicemail Caller Number one,

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<v Speaker 1>Lisil Copp as Doris Winslow, Tu d Rouch as Detective Thompson.

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<v Speaker 1>Eudonna Daniels as Reporter Number two. Additional voices by Alex Salem.