1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Hi everybody. I'm Tamra Judge and I'm Dan Geesling and 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: you're listening to Talking a Big Game. Hi, guys, welcome 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: to another episode of Talking a Big Game with myself, 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Tamer Judge and Dan Geesling. 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 2: Very excited to be here as always, Tamer, I. 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: Know we're here in the studio at iHeart and. 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: I'm a little more excited today. 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: I know you're jumping off your chair. You have a 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: fellow big brother in the house. 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: Let's can you you intro? You do such a good 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: job on the intro. 12 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Taylor Hale Taylor is a reality TV 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: personality best known for appearance on the US version of 14 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: Big Brother. Taylor Hall's One Big Brother season twenty four, 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: making history is the first black woman to win a 16 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: regular US season on the show. She also won America's 17 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: Favorite House Guest, made her the first contestant to win 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: both prizes. 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: That doesn't get old, doesn't it. That's like cool, that's 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: never gonna change like that. 21 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: Wow, you always have that scoreboard looks pretty good for me, 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: very very good. 23 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: It was only that, but you were involved in beauty pageants. 24 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: You were pround Miss Michigan and USA twenty twenty one 25 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: and competed in Miss USA in twenty twenty one. Were 26 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: you won Miss Congeniality? 27 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: Oh and I'm going to steal this one? Most importantly, 28 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 2: in my opinion, the all time leading is cash winner 29 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: in Big Brother with eight hundred thousand dollars hundred thousand. 30 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 3: Dollars, one hundred thousand. 31 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: Now, how old were you when you won eight hundred 32 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. 33 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: Girl twenty seven? It was only two years ago? 34 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so can you tell us what you did with 35 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:33,919 Speaker 1: your money? 36 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 3: I spent it all on hooker's and cocaine. Obviously. 37 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: Obviously that's like something my son would say. He says 38 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: that to me all the time, hookers. 39 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: Would I be responsible when I can just blow all 40 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 3: the cash? Now I'm kidding. I paid the taxes number one. Immediately, 41 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, everyone asked me, what are you 42 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: gonna do with the money? Talk to me after the taxes. 43 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: So paid those taxes, and then I took half of 44 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: it and put half in the savings, and the other 45 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: half I paid bills I need to pay and what 46 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: was rest from that? I was like, okay, this is 47 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: my fun fun. So I bought a mustang. I took 48 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: my mom on trips. 49 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Like sometimes you hear like reality winners or 50 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: even like lottery winners. 51 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: Even in Big Brother, Like you can take the list 52 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: of Big Brother people be like you know exactly that 53 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 2: they like they. 54 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: Waste to blow it all, blow it all, blow it all. 55 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: So I'm super excited to have Taylor because I've been 56 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: unplugged from the show. But when Taylor won, I'm like 57 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: I tuned in because number one, she's from Michigan, but 58 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: number two, she went through a lot of adversity in 59 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: the house, and it's like like there's always you watch 60 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: Big Brother people in adversity, they fold, they fold, they fold, 61 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: but you you fought through it all. Wasn't easy. And 62 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: then on top of that, you have this iconic speech 63 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: and they're really like, not no shade to anyone but 64 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: the Big Brother. There hasn't been some big moments in 65 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: a while, So for you to come and take that 66 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: and do what you did. I always as like a 67 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: huge fan of the show. I admired that because like 68 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: that's why I watched. I don't watch for people to 69 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: build their social media following. I want to see people 70 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: like go through stuff, not quit and come out on 71 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 2: the other end. So let me ask you this Taylor 72 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: being thrown into the Big Brother house and you had 73 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: a lot of adversity, what do you attribute your success 74 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: to in that season and how you made it through 75 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: on the other end. 76 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: There's a handful of things, right, So the why is 77 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: the easiest reason. I was like, I'm I have seen 78 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 3: actually lit'sten backtrack a little bit. So I was not 79 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 3: a fan of Big Brother in the conventional sense. I 80 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: was not watching every year. I had no real working 81 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 3: knowledge of Big Brother. I'd seen Celebrity the season that 82 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: happened just before me, and I watched season twenty three 83 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: just because like, sorry, I'm work for black people. I 84 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: was popping up on my Twitter feed and I was like, Okay, 85 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: the cookout is happening, and they ensured the first black 86 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: person to win Big Brother ever, So I went in thinking, Okay, well, 87 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna get the first black woman to win this 88 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: game because I've seen them just get like dragged and 89 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: attacked so many times, and it's really unfair to have 90 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: a show that's been on network TV for twenty years 91 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: at that time and not have a winner that looks 92 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: like me, doesn't make any sense. Then, when I got 93 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: into the game and all these things were happening to me, 94 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: and I was ostracized and bullied and the whole list 95 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: of things you want to say, I realized this game 96 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: is going to have an end date, and it's either 97 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: going to end with me removing myself or it's going 98 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: to end with me standing under a reign of confetti. 99 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 3: It is not my job to tell myself no. It's 100 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: literally everybody else's job in that house to tell me no. 101 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: But I'm going to be the one person that refuses 102 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: to give in to anybody else's pressure. So that end 103 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 3: date was going to come along whether I wanted to 104 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 3: be either or not, and I was going to refuse 105 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 3: to not be there. 106 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: But where does that come from? For you to be 107 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: able to do that with a bunch of strangers under 108 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: the scrutiny of twenty four to seven cameras, knowing there's 109 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: a lot of money on the line, Like that's not like, oh, 110 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: you bump into someone in the road and it's inconsequential 111 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: like this is. There's a lot on the line. So 112 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: for you, how were you able to do that in 113 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: that moment? Where do you trace that back to. 114 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: You know, there's a handful things. I've always kind of 115 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: been a resilient person, honestly, going back to my parents' 116 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 3: worse is this therapy right now? Even you know, my 117 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: parents got divorced and I was like, how old were 118 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: you when they got to middle school? 119 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: Okay, so important yet eighth grade? 120 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, but my mom telling me in the car it 121 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: was so dramatic. It was raining. She picked me up 122 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: from school and she goes, you know, you know, your 123 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 3: dad's divorcing me, and it was sad. But I remember thinking, well, 124 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: that's y'all's problem, not mine. Like your divorce is your relationship. 125 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 3: That doesn't have any real impact on it. 126 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: You al had a good head on your shoulders, very secure. 127 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: Very secure or just a little bit too detached from 128 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 3: the world, either way you want to look at it. 129 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 2: Nothing get two D. But did you see it coming? 130 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: Were you like shocked or do you like, ah, this 131 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: marriage isn't like what I think a marriage should be. 132 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: Maybe more so that my parents weren't super lovey, dovey 133 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: and affectionate, but I also never saw them argue or 134 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: fight or be me. 135 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: I was the same yea with my parents and they 136 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: ended up divorcing when I was like twenty five or 137 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: seven or something like that. 138 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: Twenty okay, twenty five or twenty seven, Yeah, seven or 139 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: twenty five. 140 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: I can't twenty five, twenty seven years old. I can't 141 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: remember exactly what it was. But yeah, they never fought, 142 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: they never argued, they never touched, they never It was 143 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: just like, I just that's how it was supposed to be. 144 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm an only child, so all that I 145 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 3: just carried. It's like, all right, that's y'all's business, not mine. 146 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: I have my own life to live. So it's like 147 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: if anyone has an issue, even in the present day, 148 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: if you have a problem with me, that's your problems 149 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 3: one sided. It's not on me. And I'll keep it 150 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 3: pushing until I get what I need to get. 151 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, to quote my good friend and your friend as well, 152 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: Candice Dillard, not today, Satan. 153 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: Not today, say not today. 154 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: Same so you So you said, that's like the first 155 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: time where you kind of like if you could get 156 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: through that Big brother was easy or like, how would 157 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: you draw from that to get through Big Brother? Oh? 158 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: I mean, pageants definitely play a part in that as well. 159 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 3: There's we're all reality TV personalities, media personalities. When you 160 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: are in the pageant world as what I call a 161 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: triple z list celebrity, a mag a quadruple z list celebrity, 162 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 3: there are literal message boards dedicated to tearing down your looks, 163 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 3: your weight, how you walk, how you talk, how you'll 164 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 3: compete at Miss you say, if you have a shot 165 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: at winning and going to Miss Universe. And it gets 166 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 3: even worse when you're a real contender to compete at 167 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: the national international scale. So when you are Susy Jane 168 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: Joe from Minnesota and you win a state crown, and 169 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: you get two thousand followers, and you have more eyes 170 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: on you than the average girl in your state, and 171 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 3: you have people just tearing you down every single day 172 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: and literally pitting you against fifty other of the most 173 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: beautiful women in the country, you either learn how to 174 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: have a thick skin or you crack crack, and my 175 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: skin just got thicker because of course I had racism. 176 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 3: I was the first dark skinned woman to win Miss 177 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: Michigan USA in like fifteen years at that point, So 178 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: you know, the racism will come out, the trolls will 179 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: come out, people will tell you don't deserve what you 180 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: literally earned from a team of middle aged people. But 181 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: who am I to say anything like this is something 182 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: that I earned, fought for and trained for, and I'm 183 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: not gonna let other people rip away what I want 184 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: from me. 185 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: And that's that's like the feeling because I just I 186 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: watched the finale, but I'm watching you walk out. I'm like, 187 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: she do didn't give it an f like it was 188 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: just like all these people hated her and then they 189 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: just gave her the game because of the speech, and like, 190 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: you fought your tail off and she didn't like you 191 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: could care. I felt like you couldn't even be bothered. 192 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: It was just like, wait, tell me about this speech. 193 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: Hear this speech? 194 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: She like so typically, I mean, it's a speech you give. 195 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: It's you against me against you, and everyone's watching Traders when. 196 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: We're around and we're you know, you're on the chop. 197 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: You have to give a speech too soon, You have 198 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: to keep gave a speech. 199 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: Well, we'll talk about that. 200 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: Convince all these people that you just like voted out, 201 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 2: shoved them out of the game. You got to convince 202 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: them to give you the game. And she came in 203 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: and it was like it was kind of like you've 204 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: never seen like pageant delivery. But it was like well 205 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: thought out and there were no cracks in what you're saying. 206 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: I'm like, you're not damn you know, and like and 207 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: this is kind of the reality we live in. I 208 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: don't know who you beat. I don't remember second, like 209 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: you just you don't remember that. And I think that's 210 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: the mark of like someone who put their mark on 211 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 2: the show. And and you know, so coming from that 212 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: and now okay, which I didn't know you were in California, 213 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 2: Like I texted, You're like, hey, are we call them? 214 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, I can come by the studio. I'm like, 215 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,599 Speaker 2: it's awesome. So you've won the show and then you decompress, 216 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 2: which is a whole nother thing, like you know, getting 217 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: your phone back everything. 218 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: I can't imagine what. 219 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 2: What was the most shocking to you after you had 220 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: the success of winning the show, like when you got out. 221 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: Probably the reach that The Big Brother twenty four had 222 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: on a lot of people. Like I said, I had 223 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: a very surface level knowledge of the game. I only 224 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 3: started watching old episodes because I was being recruited to 225 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: go on the show. So I was like, all right, 226 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 3: let me binge watch this and see what I'm getting into. 227 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: But outside of that, I didn't know the game, and 228 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 3: as a regular person, Big Brother is not something that 229 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 3: penetrates the general public often unless there's like a racism 230 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 3: TMZ article coming out genuinely. So, when I got out 231 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: of the house, I got my phone back, I have 232 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 3: X amount of followers, and I have little adoration in 233 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: ways that I just didn't expect what happened, because you 234 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 3: don't know what the world thinks about you when you're 235 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: feeling quick on Twitter, Yeah, whatever it's called right now, 236 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: I just call it twitter. His mom ated Twitter. I'm 237 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: gon call it twitter me too. So I think once 238 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: I saw Time Magazine wrote an article, when I saw 239 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 3: a Rolling Stone bard An article, that's when I was like, Okay, 240 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 3: there's a real cultural that's not that's not typical Big Brother, 241 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 3: that's not typical reality TV, honestly, and so when I 242 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 3: was like, Okay, there's something really important that happened here 243 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 3: that other people were able to learn from, grow from, 244 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 3: capitalize on, that's when I felt like, Okay, the impact 245 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 3: is more than just the silly thing I did over 246 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 3: the summer. It's it's beyond what I could have expected. So, 247 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: you know, then you get into how do people see 248 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: me as a human or an impenetrable role model that 249 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: you put me on a pedestal. When you are that 250 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: high on a pedestal, you have so much farther to 251 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: fall and leading up or trying to be that expectation 252 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 3: so often, because my when mint a lot of stuff 253 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: for a lot of different people, it's really really scared 254 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: not to follow that trip of oh my god, am 255 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: I letting people down by not always being perfect all 256 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 3: the time? But you know, I think that's the beauty 257 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: a big Brother. You just try to you don't even try. 258 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 3: You are forced to peel back at all the layers. 259 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 3: People see you at your most vulnerable, literally half naked 260 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: walking into the bathroom. So like, you just kind of 261 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: hope that people will continue to follow and understand you 262 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: as a whole human being and not just a character 263 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: on TV show. 264 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: Now, what was harder, Big Brother or Pageants? 265 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 3: Probably Big Brother at least you're cut off from the world. No, 266 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: it was definitely harder Pageants. Like you have your support system, 267 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: it's a one time thing. The competition happens one time. 268 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: Big Brother, You're just kind of flailing a log. 269 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: When were you in the Big Brother House? 270 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: My game was eighty two days? Oh, help me told 271 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: you about sequester? No, oh, we were sequestered for My 272 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 3: sequester was twelve days before the game. 273 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 2: So what you did before Traders? 274 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: That sequesters and yeah, and I was ready to jump 275 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: out of my skin twelve days. 276 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 277 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: What kind of room are you actually in? 278 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: What kind of rooms? 279 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: Is it just a hotel? 280 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: A hotel room by an airport? Yeah? 281 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so that. 282 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: Time is long. 283 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, Teddy had to. 284 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: Do that as well when she did Big Brother and 285 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: I feel like. 286 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: It was the exact same hotel, probably like a week. 287 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: Maybe I think she said she had to do that, 288 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: but I'm like, oh my god, No, I thought it 289 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: was just because of COVID, Like they wanted to make 290 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: sure you didn't have COVID, so they you know, kept 291 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: you in a room for a week and tested you. 292 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: I didn't know. 293 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: It was like, why did they do that? 294 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: That's an additional thing? So the real reason was your mind? 295 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 3: Well yeah, basically, but honestly, the whole premise of Big 296 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: Brothers that you don't know anybody else going into the house, 297 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 3: so you're cut off from the world and as people 298 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 3: start getting what we call kidnapped. They literally call it kidnapping. 299 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 3: Like there was a tex next that I wasn't supposed 300 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: to see that popped up on an Apple car play 301 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 3: while we were driving to the destination. I said, BB 302 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: twenty four kidnapping. I was like, I'm going, I made it. 303 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: You're educating Tamran like big brother because she has like 304 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: the bird's eye view, but you're getting. 305 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: You gotta know the fun behind the scenes things. So, yeah, 306 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 3: my kidnapping happened. And everybody gets kidnapped kind of in 307 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: different waves, so as you get cut off. The whole 308 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 3: point is that you don't want people being leaked on 309 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 3: Twitter or online and seeing what else is going on. 310 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: So the Traders you get murdered. 311 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you had. We're not talking about it, but 312 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: I would recommend doing it. 313 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,599 Speaker 3: So would you consider doing Traders in a heartbeat? I 314 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 3: would love to. I would have loved to do the 315 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: season that just happened, But I am. 316 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,239 Speaker 1: Did I hear that possibly they were talking to you about. 317 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: Doing I mean I think it's just a I mean 318 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: you're shoeing. 319 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the call happened, and I would have 320 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: loved to, but I'm still under my contract with with 321 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: CBS PARAMOUNTLA. 322 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: I think that happened to quite a few people. 323 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 3: Does that end because two years like this some years 324 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,239 Speaker 3: two years, two years September twenty fifth, twenty twenty four. 325 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: Ass for two years. 326 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 2: You try to reach out to CBS and be like. 327 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: Hey, can you know how many times? 328 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: Nothing? 329 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I understand it. It's a contract. 330 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: I've signed contracts before. But I'm just saying, if you 331 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: want to use me, use me. Yeah, you want to 332 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 3: be the contract. 333 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: I mean you know what if they use you, they're 334 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: going to put another year on you. 335 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: They brought her back in for the Christmas Reindeers game. 336 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 3: That Christmas contract ended three months after, but my twenty 337 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 3: four contract was still is still going. 338 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: I can't see that ours was a year. I don't 339 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: And that's that's my thing with CBS is like you 340 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: build a Taylor Hill, like you got her, go go 341 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: use her, go use that and instead of like now 342 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: you're on a shelf and then you can't do anything else. 343 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: That's my only issue. Sorry, CBS is like that's fine, 344 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: then go like Peak is going to take you and Peacock. 345 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: Is going to be clearly a start and people are 346 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: in line waiting to nab ask. 347 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: So you get off Big Brother and like, there's a 348 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: there's a transition period, right, So you went from like, Okay, 349 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: you're known in the pageant community. Now, hey, this big 350 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: thing happened. How have you been able to process? Okay, 351 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: like you were you said you were like triple zalist, 352 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: so wherever you are now, but like you're not double Zealas, 353 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: how do you keep that in perspective? And like, now 354 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: what do you want to do with it? 355 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm a realist to the core. So like, look, 356 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: I'm not Ah, I'm not Zundeya, I'm not Angela Jolie, 357 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: I'm not an a less celebrity. I am a. I've 358 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: elevated to a double Zealiss celebrity now okay, and it's 359 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: fun and it's exciting, cool stuff to do, really cool stuff. 360 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 3: I got the house, and Ley sent me to the 361 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: Super Bowl. I got to go to Greece on a 362 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: ship called the Resilient Lady. Resiliency was the theme of 363 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 3: my final speech. So there was some really awesome things 364 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 3: that came from this eighty two day period. But now 365 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 3: I get to pivot into doing entertainment news. I'm doing 366 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 3: exit interviews for Big Brother for Entertainment tonight, which is like, oh, congratulations, 367 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 3: And it's just a dream. It's an absolute dream. 368 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: What's next for you? Is there something? Is there a 369 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: goal that you have? 370 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: I want to be the go to person for entertainment news. 371 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: That's when my lifelong dream. When I was in high school, 372 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 3: people ask me what I wanted to do, and I 373 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 3: was like, I'm going to go to d C. And 374 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: I'm going to be a correspondent. 375 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: To the boys. Right now, everything I see that happening. 376 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: I was a big political junkie. I'm like, oh my god, 377 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 3: this election cycle. I'm just so tuned in right now too. 378 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: Did you go to college for that? 379 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 3: I went to college to study journalism, but George Washington 380 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: in DC, So that's where the politically minded aspect comes in. 381 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: But I told a very difficult school to get into, but. 382 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: Great, and that's why they targeted me. But I jumped 383 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: around within that school, all the different schools at g W. 384 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 3: And I remember my academic advisor said, too, if you 385 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 3: want to graduate on time, you have one major to 386 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 3: choose from, which was organizational sciences, which sounds made up, 387 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 3: but it's I don't even know what is that sounds 388 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: like a lie, like a BS major, but it's essentially 389 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: business like which worked in the house. 390 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: So you've recently moved to LA Is that what made 391 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 2: what sparked that move for you? And how has it been? 392 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 3: There's gonna be a star, dance may be a star. 393 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: There's no entertainment newswork in Michigan. And I love Michigan. 394 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 3: I would like to buy a house in Michigan, but 395 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 3: for me to actually be available to pick up last 396 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 3: when it calls like this and show off. 397 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: Did you ever think about moving to New York? 398 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 3: No. I interned when I was in New York for 399 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 3: Essence magazine when I was in college, and I get it. 400 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: The area I was in was near Times Square. Who 401 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: wants to live near Times Square? Day Exactly? 402 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: I don't even want to walk through Times Square. No, 403 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: I have to in a couple of weeks because I'm 404 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: taking my son and his girlfriend to New York and 405 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: she's never been, so I'm like. 406 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 3: Just make sure you get like the on brand sponge job, 407 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,239 Speaker 3: not the off brand with the eye. Now you know 408 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: those things are scary. I did think about New York scary. 409 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 3: It's terrifying. But hey, you know what, y'all love New York. 410 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 3: Y'all love New York. I know you love New York. 411 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 3: But living there was like living in dog years to me. 412 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: And I never ever thought that I'd be an LA girl. 413 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: But when I got off the show, my friend Toddrick, 414 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 3: he opened up his home and I got to be 415 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: in his master bedroom for like this beautiful ten million 416 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: dollar mansion for like a month and a half just decompressing. 417 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: It was real nice. 418 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 3: He gave me the carration. No literally, I was like, 419 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe I do like LA. 420 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 2: So can I ask you that? 421 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 3: So? 422 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: Like did you feel like how did you meet this guy? 423 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: Was there any like what's going on? Like you as 424 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: a father, I'm like, okay, my daughter is staying in 425 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: a ten million dollar mansion and just got keys of 426 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 2: the car, Like like what's the cat? I mean, like, 427 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: how did what happened? Because I'm from Michigan, I'm staying 428 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: in Michigan. But that didn't shock you. You're like, oh, yeah, 429 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 2: that probably happens, but what is the story with that? 430 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: I had the same mindset as you, right because the 431 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: season before me, season twenty four six, people from the season. 432 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 3: They all stayed at his house also, and so I think, 433 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 3: what you have an established. 434 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: But like why, like what what is Is he just 435 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: a big fan or something massive fan. 436 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 3: Of Big Brother? And he was on Celebrity Big Brother 437 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 3: at the season right before mine, so he's in the community. 438 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 3: He's a big fan of it. And then when you. 439 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: I think he was on with Teddy was gonna Yeah. 440 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: It was two years ago now, two years ago. 441 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Teddy was on that exactly. 442 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was final yep, I have heard ye the bed. 443 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 2: A different Big Brother. 444 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 3: Only celebrities can do that always any bed, anytime ever. 445 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: That's good to know. So it was kind of like 446 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: he was pre screened and you're like yeah. For me, 447 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, did you feel like you owed 448 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: him anything? 449 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: You know? 450 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 2: I not in that way, but I'm just saying like 451 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: he's gay, so. 452 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 3: Very gay. No, and the is like, I owe you friendship. 453 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 3: But it never felt like a tit for tat. You 454 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 3: gave me your room, so I owe you my friendship. 455 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 3: It's just like general gratitude. Just a very very kind 456 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 3: person and you never know what do you expect from people, 457 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: but when you have the vetting from people that you 458 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 3: respect on the season before you and then you have 459 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 3: your own experience. It's like, okay, I can check Frock 460 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 3: with this. He had this giant finale night party. It's 461 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 3: happened the past three years in a row, I'd say. So, 462 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 3: I snuck out of my hotel room on finale night. 463 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: I wasn't supposed to be out, but my best security 464 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 3: at your door. They didn't have security at my door, 465 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 3: but they did have my room key. Okay, so I 466 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: couldn't tap in rount if I wanted to. 467 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 2: But what I did. 468 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 3: I called my best friend who was in town. She 469 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 3: came to my room and I took like the little 470 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 3: card stock that they have on the desk next to 471 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 3: your bed, slid it in the door. So I went 472 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 3: in lock and we got to Uber and went over 473 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 3: to the party crafty and that's what. Yeah, I did 474 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: not sleep that night. We went straight from the party 475 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 3: till six am, and I was back at the CBS 476 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: a lot to do the talk, same hair and makeup. 477 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: What do you do you have any like photos in 478 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: your head from winning? Like is there? Like can you 479 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: close your eyes and be like all right, I'll remember 480 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: this when I'm on my deathbed. 481 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, there's you know how this feels when 482 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 4: you're sitting in those final two seats and I was 483 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 4: holding hands with the person and I was sitting final too. 484 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 2: It was it Sorry, sorry, no, that's okay. 485 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 3: It was Manty and he played a great game. It 486 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 3: was really just a battle of will the social game 487 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: win or will like your classic competition wins win. And 488 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 3: so that's what the speech was. I mad an argument 489 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: that social game will always triumph competition wins. And so 490 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 3: we're sitting there and I remember after everyone voted, when 491 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 3: people put their keys and they'll say something kind of 492 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: witty to have their moment, and the majority of the 493 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 3: people said something that felt like a nod to me. 494 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 3: We're holding hands and Julie says, oh, we're going to 495 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: go to commercial or whatever. And as they're playing the 496 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 3: music and going to commercial and counting us out, and 497 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 3: remember Manti going, I think you might have this one 498 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 3: mind you. Monty won the power to decide who would 499 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 3: sit next to him in final two. If he chose 500 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 3: the other person, he would have won, he would and 501 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 3: he chose me because of my social game. Yeah, so 502 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 3: I just remember like seeing Julie, what a standard that 503 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 3: final thing. 504 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: You say that idiot, I don't know who he is? 505 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 2: Like gamer, I know, I mean, what's fifty on the line. 506 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: I don't wait to talk about your exit, talk. 507 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 3: To do the fun Monty. You know, I pumped his 508 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 3: brain with the idea that if he took me to 509 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 3: final two with him, it was an easy win. So 510 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 3: he didn't think he was being an idiot. He thought 511 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 3: he was making the right choice. 512 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 2: But to me, I like, I like, that's a threat. 513 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: Like if someone's pumping me, I'm like such. 514 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: A gamer, it's such a gamer. 515 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: I feel like it's finishing. We brought on a lot 516 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 2: of winners who are kind of say, like at the 517 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 2: back and like they've been doing it for ten fifteen 518 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 2: years and here you are, you're kind of like at 519 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: the start. So so you move out to LA, Like 520 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 2: what how do you start to map things out? And 521 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: like are you saying yes everything or how do you 522 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: navigate to where you want to be? 523 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 3: So let's have a real talk about the industry. Entertainment 524 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: news is a dying industry right now. Paramount MTV, CBS, 525 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 3: they have basically entirely gout entertainment tonight, even they've essentially 526 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 3: gutted their spaces of entertainment news journalists. So the work 527 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 3: that I want to do on camera hosting in the 528 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 3: traditional sense of I'm Taylor Hale and this is entertainment tonight. 529 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 3: It's not only very hard to get into, there is 530 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 3: no path to get into that. And that's for so 531 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 3: many different jobs in the industry. Producers are having a 532 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 3: hard time getting promoted into new positions. That's why the 533 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: strikes happened, and there's not a lot of mobility happening 534 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: to this day. So now, after spending a year and 535 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: a half trying it to the traditional way because that's 536 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: what I was bred to do being in DC studying journalism, 537 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 3: pivoting all these things, now I have to pivot into 538 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: social media in a way that I didn't expect to. 539 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: And that's okay. I just know that personally, I don't 540 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 3: want to be your typical influencer and here's the brand 541 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 3: deal and here's what I'm doing, and get ready with 542 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 3: me the type of thing. It's just not my personality. 543 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 3: And I think that's okay. I love all my friends 544 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 3: that are like massive, mega influencers like that. 545 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: You'll get to a point where you know you can 546 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: pick and choose. 547 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 3: Exactly do this or if you don't want to do that, yeah. 548 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: It's always some great money on the side. 549 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 3: Exactly, so I'll take the deal. And it's not a career. 550 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: You don't want to do that? What do you want it? 551 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: What does it look like to you? 552 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: So now the industry looks like you got to pick 553 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 3: up your camera and just talk directly to the people 554 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 3: about what's happening in entertainment. So instead of calling up 555 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 3: the traditional agencies and saying, hey, can I extra entertainment tonight? 556 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 3: All these different spaces, there's no mobility there. The most 557 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 3: mobility is picking up your own camera and saying, Okay, 558 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: here's the headline going on here, my thoughts and feelings 559 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 3: on it, and asking people how they feel and to interact. 560 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: I just posted something about a brother and how. 561 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: Very podcast spot underneath her network here because I feel 562 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: like she could. 563 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: Kill it, Like you got it, you gotta figure it out. 564 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: So as we wrap things here, So when you look 565 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: back at everything, and I guess, moving forward, how will 566 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: you define success now? So you've won this massive show, 567 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: You've done a great job like building your audience and 568 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: taking the next step, what is success going to look 569 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,239 Speaker 2: like to you, if you could be like Dan ten 570 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: years from now, this is what I want to have happen. 571 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: Here's what it looks like. 572 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: I love this, And ten years i'll be thirty nine 573 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 3: years old. Okay, that puts some things into perspective. So 574 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 3: for me, success is going to look like the freedom 575 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: to dictate my career on my own terms. And I'm 576 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 3: sure both of you relate to this. When you're a 577 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 3: public figure, a lot of people think that they can 578 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 3: tell you what your next move is going to be. 579 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 3: You need to befriend these people, you need to work 580 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 3: at this place, do it this way. When you are 581 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 3: fresh on the scene, a lot of times you feel 582 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 3: like you have to answer to that. For me, it's 583 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 3: going to be having my own following and my own 584 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: unique perspective on the entertainment space. Owning a house, which 585 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 3: I could do right now, but I'm trying to be 586 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 3: conservative with the market. Wait, yeah, I'm trying to wait, 587 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 3: trying to wigh it out. And also i want to 588 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 3: be able to take care of my parents. I'm an 589 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 3: only child. I only have one living grandparent. My mom 590 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 3: and dad are the only like living immediate family that 591 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 3: I have. No first cousins or anything like that. So 592 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 3: more than just hey Dad, I got you a new 593 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 3: golf club or hey mom, like let me help out 594 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 3: with some things here. I want to maybe have like 595 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 3: a wing in the house where either of them could be. 596 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: They can only be one. They can't they can't both 597 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 3: be there. 598 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 2: Taylor, I have to say, you know, like I've met 599 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 2: a lot of Big Brother winners and stuff like that, 600 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: but I mean, I'm just gonna be honest, I'm blown away. 601 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 2: I think you've got it figured out. I think the 602 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: big such a young age, I'm taking very like self 603 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: aware and humble, because that's what do you say that again? 604 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 3: So the people know because they say that I'm cocky 605 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: and I'm not. 606 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: Let some people think if you have an opinion, you're cocky. 607 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: Well I say to that, like, I'm sorry you don't 608 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: have opinion because that's my opinion exactly. 609 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: But I'll see people come off a reality show and 610 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: like I'm just cringe and it's like it's you want 611 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 2: to show that's like this big and so that's cool, 612 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: but you're not whoever you think you are. And I 613 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: just I like, I'm just like very I mean, I'm 614 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: super impressed. Not that you need to impress me. I'm like, like, 615 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: I think I think that's pretty cool. I think we're 616 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: gonna sit here and be like like when this is 617 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: over and be like everything she said life can I can? 618 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: I get like an ESPN bet will Taylor Hell be 619 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 2: a X Y and Z Yep. I'm going all in. 620 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 3: I'll let you know if that parlay hits ten years. 621 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: But thank you so much for coming on. It was appreciated. 622 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: A drove out here in a split second speed races. 623 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 3: I'm getting to reality to be Titans. I gotta get there. God. 624 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 3: I dropped off my little puppy to get groomed and 625 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 3: I was like scared. Thank you so much. 626 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: You're amazing. 627 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 3: You'll are the best. See you on Traders Returner Season