1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Hey, their listener, just a heads up that there is 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: some strong language in this episode. Thanks. 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: I feel like Vianna is like a super villain, and 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: I feel like Anna is like a super heroin and 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: I feel like Viganna is like this dark rapper at 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: night and and I is like this really glossy, colorful 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: pop star. And I feel like the girl is need that. 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, they need a dualism. 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: They need to feed those both sides of themselves. And 10 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: I also think both Ana Macho and Banaiano are just 11 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: very heightened versions of who we are as people and 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 2: our experiences. 13 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 4: From futur media and p RX It's Latino USA, I'm 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 4: Maria Inovosa Today. 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: Puerto Rican musical artists. 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 4: Bienno and Tiano and Anamacho on queer and trans utopias 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 4: and dystopias. Biano and Piano and Anamacho often created fantastical 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 4: worlds through their music. 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: In their first collaboration, the song Munieka, Vienna and Anna 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: play with the word used in Latin America and in 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: the Caribbean to refer to trans women and trans women 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: who engage in sex work. In their video, the artists 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: imagine a Barbie Pink candy shop surrounded by a glamdap, 24 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: trans and non binary crew. They appropriate the word munieka 25 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: to celebrate their own identities as trans and non binary 26 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: people and create an anthem of liberation. 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 5: Ye name Boom Boom Hey. 28 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: Raised in Maamon, a suburb of San Juan, Puerto Rico, 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: twenty seven year old Biano Antia, also known as Villana, 30 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: blends her love of salsa, rock and reggaeton with powerful 31 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: lyricism and an unmistakable flow. In twenty twenty two, Vienna 32 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: released her debut album. It's called Sustancia Echis. It's a 33 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: riff on the chemical X you know that secret ingredient 34 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: besides sugar, spice and everything nice that created the Powerpuff Girls. 35 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: The album is an embodiment of Vianna stepping into her 36 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: own power. Sustancia Echis has garnered millions of streams, as 37 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: well as praise from outlets like Pitchfork and Rolling Stone. 38 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: Then there's Ana Macho. The twenty four year old raised 39 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: in Gaguas, Puerto Rico, described themselves as a non binary 40 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: Caribbean pop star and I got their start in the 41 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: world of drag and then went on to pursue music 42 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: exploring genres that are rooted in the Caribbean and blending 43 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 1: it with top melodies Caribbean. 44 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: Jermin, monic Sar Reply About You Vauelma. 45 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 4: Last year, Anna released their ep realism Machico, creating dreamy 46 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 4: soundscapes transporting the listener to Anna's experiences of falling in 47 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 4: love in the Caribbean, about feeling held and celebrated by 48 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 4: queer friends and community. 49 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: And although their music is often quite different, Diana and 50 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: Ana Macho have been friends for years. Today, the Yana 51 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: and Anamo get on a Call Vienna is in Miami 52 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: an Amato in Puerto Rico at their studio Mal Dad, 53 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: where both artists got their start. The friends talk about 54 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: the obstacles they each had to overcome in a male dominated, 55 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: transphobic industry and their use of magical realism in their 56 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 1: latest projects. Here are Ana Macho and Biano and Piano 57 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: in conversation. 58 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: Hey girl, what's up? Hello Riana? 59 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: Hey Earlie go on the cay Go. I feel like 60 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: it's very complicated to paint a picture of what our 61 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: beginnings were like. I feel like it's interesting to know, however, 62 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 3: that I did get my startup right now where Anna 63 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: is sitting like literally in that place in in La 64 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: Mandald And that was basically like the only like helping 65 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: hand that I had ever. Nobody else in the industry 66 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: was like willing to just give us a shot at anything. 67 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: And you know, access to resources and access to like 68 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 3: quality resources to produce quality music were very scarce. It's 69 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: not something that like I had access to at all, 70 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: like growing up, or that I could just you know, 71 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: call somebody up and be like, hey, let me record this. 72 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I feel very much the same way. 73 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: I think that my version of the Trenches really was 74 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: just actively trying to like knock on as many doors 75 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: as possible, and none of the doors open, And I'm like, 76 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: but girl, do you know the gift I'm bringing to 77 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: you by asking you to work with me? And I 78 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: feel like that literally taught me that I had to 79 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: learn how to make my own music, and I had 80 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 2: to learn how to produce it like in my bedroom, 81 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: and I had to like learn my own ship because 82 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 2: nobody was going to help me. 83 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: Because I remember, like the first song that I heard 84 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 3: of Anna, it was like this SoundCloud demo. I would 85 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 3: go back and listen to it over and over again. 86 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: It was like one of my favorite things. 87 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: Bomos so I loves momo love it. Oh yeah, I 88 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 2: used to be such a melodramatic teenager making like Lana 89 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: do write music. 90 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 3: I see it, but I lived for it. You were 91 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: really doing that. 92 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: When you started releasing music. Like the first song, like 93 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: the disc track you released was so bladset and something 94 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: girl that was years ago. 95 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 3: And identities ago. 96 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like a couple of pronouns ago. Literally, 97 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: it was like the first time that I heard you 98 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: rap and ever since, like I remember seeing your first shows, 99 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 2: and I feel like we've always kept in touch in 100 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: a very particular way, like in a connected with our music. 101 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 3: There's a lot of like seeing each other in the trenches, 102 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 3: but I know that you're in the trenches whip me, 103 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: and you're in the trenches too, so it's comforting to 104 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: know that you're also in the trenches. 105 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: I don't feel like I'm out of any trenches. Girl. 106 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: Every day it's a new trench. I feel like people 107 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: perceive us as very very successful. Wish we are, but 108 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: I feel like people think we're like Beyonce. I feel 109 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: like people forget the fact that we are really starting out. 110 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: Still we still have a lot of doors to knocked down. 111 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: The fact that we are trans people just makes it harder. Period. 112 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: So even if we have like high pervisibility, like the 113 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: high pervisibility is a trench in itself, you know. 114 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: See, like that's very that's you said something very deep 115 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: right there. You see, that's what I love about you. 116 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: You just really hit it over the head with that one. 117 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: But also I feel like us being trans people, everybody 118 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: knows about us, and people like equate that to status, 119 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: but the fact that we are queer people negates, you know, 120 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: the success that comes with that fame. I'm pretty sure 121 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: if I was a SIS straight man at the level 122 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: that I'm at, I would have access to a bunch 123 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: of other things that I don't have because of the 124 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: fact that I'm a woman and because of the fact 125 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 3: that I'm a queer woman. It's kind of like a 126 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: little inside joke, and everybody's in on it. That's not queer. 127 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: You know, everybody that controls the radio, everybody that controls media, 128 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: everybody that controls like everything else, which is like you know, 129 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: siss straight people will definitely like hop on the wave 130 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 3: when it's profitable and when it's like there's this big 131 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: buzz around it. But after that, it's like proops. 132 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: First of all, the music industry is ninety nine percent 133 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: straight man, so which is something that's a guy like 134 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: consistently going into spaces that is just one male run. 135 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 2: And then you're like a trans person in the midst. 136 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 2: But then you're also like more talent than all of them. 137 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: That is like it creates a very particular, very othering dynamic. 138 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: I have, like a particular story, Like I'm not gonna say, 139 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna name names, but I'm gonna spill the 140 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: tea on the story. Girl, can you believe I recently 141 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: went to this music video pitch. I presented the idea 142 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: for my mister video because I creative direct everything. 143 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 5: You know. 144 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 3: You know, we both do. We have to. 145 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, this is what I want, and this is 146 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: a song about feeling confident, feeling sexy, feeling beautiful, feeling cool, 147 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: feeling very positive about myself as a trans person, and 148 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 2: being with my trans people friends and cutting up on Kiki. 149 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: Suddenly like I present this the thing, and then we 150 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: have a follow up meeting with a new version of 151 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: my pitch, like the man the straight cist men who 152 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: are all over forty met up without me, and I'm like, 153 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: this is so strange. I already told them what the 154 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: video's about, Like, I literally already told them the scenes 155 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: I wanted that looks I want it, Like, it's so 156 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 2: strange that they want to meet up with me for 157 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: a new direction. Like the first thing they tell me 158 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: is that they wanted to change it so that I 159 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: was a sex worker in the video. And again, sex 160 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: work is work. It's none thing against sex work. I'm 161 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: against this random straight systment telling me that I have 162 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: to be hyper sexual in a music video where I 163 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: never consented to that. I never said that was the idea, Like, 164 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: and I literally told them like, first of all, this 165 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: is transphobic, pomp bump. Then when I was like, this 166 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: is transphobed. Let this be the last time you tell 167 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: a trans person that they have to be a sex 168 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: worker in their own music video. 169 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: Period. 170 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: You should be a sex worker in their music video 171 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: if that's what you want to do, period. 172 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 3: And the fact that that's where their mind automatically goes. 173 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: And I literally told them, you took my idea and 174 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: you put it through the male gigs. 175 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: And then also that not being your experience exactly because 176 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: I have done sex work and I did sex work 177 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: a long time until they like pursue music, so like 178 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: in my experience, it's there. And when I talk about 179 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 3: these things, well you know I have where to pull from. 180 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm very autobiographical, but that not being 181 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 3: your experience, and also like how disrespectful towards people who 182 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: are actual sex workers. 183 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: You know, this is not me, Like, this is just 184 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 2: not me and you miss the mark, Like if you 185 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: if you actually first of all listen to my music, 186 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: saw my videos, like you would know that this is 187 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: so much not me and that you're projecting onto me 188 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: as a trans person, your ideas of how a transwoman 189 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: or how a trans person can be sexy, which the 190 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: only way for them is for you to be a 191 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: TRASHIATD hooker with them. 192 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 3: There can only be one of us, you know, I've 193 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: talked about this so many times. We're a concepts to 194 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: them and it doesn't matter, Like I'm pretty sure they 195 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: all think we're the same thing, you know, because it's. 196 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: I'm sure I've gone to things and people think I'm beyond. 197 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 3: And I was at a bar with a friend Essona 198 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 3: yet like stops my friend and ask them are you on? 199 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: And I'm like, they're literally they're back. 200 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: It's like to me. 201 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: And then my friend looks at me because we were 202 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: like is this a joke? And I was like I 203 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: caught onto it really quick, and I said, yeah, yeah, 204 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: that that's that's that's her, and like I took a 205 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: picture and everything like of them and it was there 206 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 3: was me, and I was like, we are a concept 207 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: to these people. But you know, in hopes, I feel 208 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: like we have to sort of like you know, grab 209 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: that power back and be like, well, the same way 210 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 3: you gate keep a whole bunch of things. I feel 211 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: like I'm up for the gatekeeping. 212 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: You're at the gates. You're at the gates keeping that gate. 213 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 3: You're keeping that literally literally, And I feel like it's 214 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: also very important because it kind of like helps us 215 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 3: remember I don't know about that. We're not going to 216 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 3: forget the fact that like nobody gave us. 217 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: The time of day. Ever, I want to say something 218 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 2: to that ban. I want to say something to not 219 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 2: very clear. We're referencing a very particular kind of attention 220 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: space and fame, which WHI is straight people famous because, 221 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: first of all, we're famous for the queers, the girlies, 222 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: the dolls, and the gays, and they're the real people 223 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: I do my shit for. They're the real people that 224 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: have been there from day zero and will be there 225 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: till the day I die, And they're the community that 226 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: is surround us. What happens with you and me, and 227 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: I'm sure that will happen with other people, is the 228 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 2: fact that when you, at some point you become so 229 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: gay famous, the straight people strut to notice, and then 230 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 2: they start thinking that they're you're doing you a favor 231 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: by giving you the time of day, and they don't 232 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: know that we're the I'm literally like coming down from 233 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: Olympus for you guys to see the tea and then disappear. 234 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: Straight men and straight people always think they're doing us 235 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: favors because they think they're the one in control. And 236 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, do you know I'm literally a transcendental spirit 237 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: guide deity spreading love and peace throughout the world, and 238 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: you're just some straight guy with money. 239 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: Literally, do you know that my consciousness stretches across gender 240 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: spectrum and has literally got me Because I've had this, 241 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 3: I've had this, I've had time to think about this 242 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 3: and clearly so have you so you ate that you 243 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 3: said exactly what needed to be said. 244 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 5: Okay. 245 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 4: Coming up on Latino USA, Puerto Rican musical artists Eno 246 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 4: and Thiano and Anamacho talk about their latest projects and 247 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 4: dreaming of queer and trans empowerment. 248 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: Through their music. Stay with us, yes, h. 249 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: M h m h. 250 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: Hey we're back. Before the break, we were listening to 251 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: a conversation between Diano, Antiano and Anamacho, both trans and 252 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: non binary Puerto Rican musicians making waves in the music world. Now, 253 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: Anna and Vienna talk about their latest projects Realismo Maxico 254 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: and Substancia Ekis, and how they both use magical realism 255 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: to criticize the harsh realities trans people face, but within 256 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: those realities there's also trans joy and empowerment. Here are 257 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: Vienno and Piano and Anamacho again. 258 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 3: I feel like Sustanciaquis Andrealis Momxico are both very much 259 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 3: much like channelers of the same energy and even that 260 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: Momhico like as a concept. Momhico is definitely present in 261 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: my album, but I feel like it's present in my 262 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: life and it's present in like my everyday life because 263 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: it's like, how do I take this horrible, horrible situation 264 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 3: and just make it something like super out of this 265 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: world fantastic. I support delusions, be delusional, believe that like 266 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 3: you're happy, and I actively practice it. I would have 267 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: to be delusional. So even like aspire to want to 268 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 3: stay alive and do the things that I do. I 269 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: feel like Less and Mohico both kind of like are 270 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: a testament to like that true power within us and 271 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: like how to access it. And I feel like it's 272 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: just encapsulating that and giving it to people. Although they're 273 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: very different in everything, they're also very similar in the 274 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: way that they empower you. And I feel like that's 275 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: the bottom line here. Like most of my music and 276 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: that's the word I hear the most empowered, Like, oh 277 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: it empowers me and me feel this and makes me 278 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 3: feel powerful, and I love that. And I feel like 279 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: not a lot of music can take you there, you know, come, okay, 280 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 3: It's very It's it's a feeling. 281 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: What is the world of subst anxieties? 282 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 3: The world in which systemiciages exists would be something like 283 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 3: a Gotham city, but like ten times worse, which is 284 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 3: literally someone you know what I'm saying. So it's literally 285 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 3: some it's like a Friday night and you know a 286 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 3: lot of drugs. And I feel like I've never hidden this, 287 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 3: and I've talked openly about like the abuse. Never do 288 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 3: I want to feel like I'm glorifying it. I always 289 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 3: talk about, like, you know, the importance of just stating 290 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 3: it as it is. I'm not saying that it's correct 291 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 3: or incorrect to like live as we do, but it's 292 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 3: it's no secret that, you know, we consume a lot 293 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 3: of different substances because we need to associate. It's true, 294 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 3: like we need to just kind of like escape for 295 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: a bit. 296 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: There's a lot of he then is some queer life. 297 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 2: You explore a lot just pursuing, like pleasure and pursuing. 298 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 3: And just things that are are not allowed to us. 299 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to aspire to that. I'm not supposed 300 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 3: to be in luxurious places or have access to that life. 301 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be in the gutter, and that's where 302 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: they want me. So it just like it comes as 303 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 3: a shock that like I have been able to overcome 304 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: all these obstacles and now I'm like just oh, sitting 305 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 3: at the table with the elites. But I would never 306 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 3: really want to be a part of them. It's always 307 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 3: like none of them have ever rooted for me, Like 308 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: they're all waiting for my downfall, and you know who 309 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 3: I'm quoting, so like, and it's just like me playing 310 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 3: the game and being you know, cute and playing into it. 311 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: And I feel like at all times, I feel like 312 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 3: like I'm a double agent, literally, and I take it 313 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: very seriously, as you should, and I make them feel like, 314 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 3: you know it's safe and that this is for them, 315 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 3: But I always have an ulterior motive. 316 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: As you should. I always think that I feel like 317 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: Vianna is like a super villain, and I feel like 318 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 2: Anna is like a super heroin and I feel like 319 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: Viganna is like this dark rapper at night and and 320 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: I's like this really glossy, colorful pop star. And I 321 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: feel like the girlies need that, Yeah, they need a dualism. 322 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: They need to feed those both sides of themselves. And 323 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: I also think both Anamatu and Bianiano are just very 324 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: heightened versions of who we are as people and our experiences. 325 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: And I feel like our music is very personal and 326 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: I feel like if and I'm not sure I spat 327 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: it and I'm sure wrote it, I feel like na 328 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: is right. I know, I know, you know that's right. 329 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 2: So we're speaking from our own experience and who we 330 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: are going to Shali Momxico. I feel like I remember 331 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: showing you the demos for Halimmahico. I had such a 332 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: clear idea of what it was and what I wanted 333 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: it to be. I always described it as a magical 334 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: forest that's like connected to the beach. It was very 335 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: important for the project that it represented like nature and 336 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: that you felt like you were moving from the beach 337 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: through the forest, through like the city and creating this 338 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: very magical world which I feel like I was able 339 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 2: to access through recreational drug use and finding like my 340 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 2: caar power and my own magic inside. And I feel 341 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: very proud of what we were able to create with 342 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 2: that project than the world of Palimmaica like Alisma Mahic 343 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: is its own world. 344 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 5: Guando quhereassi. 345 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 2: Quandomeamous, and I feel like it wasn't I really started 346 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: doing the show like a bunch of shows back to 347 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 2: back to back. It's a very particular kind of thing, 348 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: Like my music is eminating a very particular kind of energy, 349 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: and I felt like I was like the Maria Shu 350 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: sema of trans music that will. 351 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 3: Never forget the time you told me that you felt 352 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: like you were really Colomne but trance, and. 353 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: I am the trance WILLI colomn to come on, I'm 354 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 2: just here to make Caribbean music. 355 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 3: And of excellence because I feel like, you know and Blah. 356 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 3: For instance, it is just like when you go into 357 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: their productions, everything is like just it's mind blowingly excellent. 358 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 3: You know, the quality, the instrumentality, absolutely everything. So I 359 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 3: feel like we take it the same way. We're very 360 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 3: like serious artists, even though people might not see it 361 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 3: that way because of their own discriminatory like ideas. I 362 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 3: do want to say, however, that in Las Utancia Egis 363 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: was like very intense because I started doing this album 364 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 3: when I started like medically transitioning, so I kind of 365 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 3: like did them both at the same time. And it's crazy, 366 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 3: like medically transitioning is insane, and it's also like I 367 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 3: feel like it's a little bit of magic, and I 368 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 3: feel like I really got in tune with that and 369 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: I got to like feel some very big emotions and 370 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 3: that's why there's a lot of like aggressiveness. And I 371 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 3: would say the larger half of the album, and then 372 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 3: there's a point where I allow it to get like 373 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 3: a little bit more mellow, a little bit more sweet 374 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: towards the end. And and for me that was important 375 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 3: too because it's also like I like being soft, I 376 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: like being vulnerable, but I don't get to do that 377 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 3: because the world doesn't allow it for me. You know, 378 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 3: I always have to be a beast. When a man 379 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: is assertive, he's a boss, he's bossed up, you know. 380 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: I think that well, with regards to lesser fancies, I 381 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 3: could definitely say that is that one song that like 382 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 3: encapsulates everything that it's really about. It's like, okay, well 383 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 3: here I go to do drugs again and be like 384 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: a super baddy because that this is what you forced 385 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 3: me to do, right, And so then I'm going to 386 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 3: make a very very good good Like you know, there's 387 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 3: there's a level of which like you can make it 388 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: that's so good that it's like pop is pop music today? 389 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 3: To me, it's it's like sort of just me being 390 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 3: so upset that I'm just gonna make like a very 391 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 3: excellent record. 392 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: I want to say that I love Systems, and I 393 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 2: really love but I mean, she's that girl and I 394 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: totally get what you're saying. I know you get it. 395 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: I don't even know I get a girl. I know 396 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: you know I get it. 397 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 5: That's what you know. 398 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 2: I'm song that I feel that I would really represent 399 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 2: what the project is about. Is the opening track and 400 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: a Plaia and. 401 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 6: GETT. 402 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: I feel like that's funny because it connects with it's 403 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 2: a song about and I don't think I honestly don't 404 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: believe in the glorification of drugs, okay, but I do 405 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: believe in bodily autonomy. And I consider myself like an 406 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 2: activist for a bottle of the autonomy. And I know 407 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 2: people want me to be ashamed about something that I 408 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: find to be very beautiful, exciting that has connected with myself, 409 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 2: my body, with others, with the world, with nature. And 410 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: I feel like a playa was it's inspired by the 411 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 2: day before I moved to New York, I did Molly 412 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 2: with my best friends, like it was my goodbye party 413 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: and I was with my boyfriend and I was my 414 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: best friends and it was like, and we're in p Acondia. 415 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 6: Do you have to go to like a whole forest 416 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 6: that you have to walk to get to the It's 417 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 6: literally called hidden Bitch, Like it's hidden so a girl, 418 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 6: it's hit. 419 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 2: It's hit, So I did Molly there. I was like this, 420 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: it's like one of the most beautiful days of my life. 421 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: I want to encapsulate this in a song. It's just 422 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: such a beautiful song. I'm so proud of the production. 423 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: Like I think it was the song with the most 424 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 2: persons of it, most drafts. It had to be like perfect, 425 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 2: and I feel like it perfectly defines my project. It 426 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: perfectly defines what I'm doing. It perfectly defines the kind 427 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: of music that I make and the kind of artist 428 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: that I am right now. 429 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 3: I one hundred percent percent I'm just gonna go out 430 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 3: and say definitely different that I do. Have to say that, 431 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 3: like I mean when I that I have that should 432 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 3: saved everywhere. I listen to it like every now and again, 433 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 3: and it really kind of like puts everything into perspective 434 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: for me, and it makes me feel held and like 435 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 3: you know aa by well you know in this case, 436 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 3: like you know, in the larger sense of it all, 437 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: It's like sometimes the people who have held me the 438 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 3: most and who have like poured the most love into 439 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 3: me have been my friends. And I feel like it's 440 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 3: a very beautiful testament to that. 441 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 5: I am. 442 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 3: Comment nice, La. 443 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I always feel like this when 444 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: I write music. I feel like I am such a 445 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: hard person, like if you're around me, like outside of 446 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 2: the Animasha thing, like, I'm very comuk. My ascendant is capricorn. 447 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 2: I'm very blunt and very commok, very focused and intense. 448 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 2: And it almost feels like now when I'm writing music, 449 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: and music for me is like such like I'm taking 450 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 2: that off and it's almost like, girl, here's the secret. 451 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 2: I'm actually really sensitive, you know. That's what it feels like, 452 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 2: allowing myself to create a space because I feel like 453 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 2: I'm always like so on edge, I'm always so different, 454 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 2: and just in the sense that girl, I'm a star, 455 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: I'm literally a star. So I'm just very different, and 456 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 2: that's a very lonely feeling sometimes. 457 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 3: Exactly, I have to always be on point because somebody has. 458 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: To do it, and somebody else are doing it, and 459 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 2: mom and the girl is are looking to us to 460 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: see what a bad bitch looks like. So I'm gonna 461 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 2: show them what a bad bitch looks like. But then 462 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: I feel like in my music and in my art 463 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: I'm gonna like, okay, Korea, Like there's a human side 464 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: and there's a way to be a bad bitch and 465 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: be like a romantic back bitch or be like a 466 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: sensitive back bitch. And it's like and it's empowering to 467 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: admit things that maybe society doesn't want us to admit, 468 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 2: like that we're lonely, that we miss someone, or that 469 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: we're in love. Come okay, like the more gentle, softer, 470 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: more like vulnerable sites of the girl. And I feel 471 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: like that's very important. I really have had to learn 472 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: how to separate my experiences the person who I am 473 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: as a trans person trying to make guard and trying 474 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: to live and trying to do groceries and like bathe 475 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: their dog and you know, live their lives and go 476 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 2: out versus Aamasha. As a project. I started doing it, 477 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: and I'm because I felt like there was a need 478 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,239 Speaker 2: for that type of music and the type of art 479 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: that I'm creating, Like I needed that for myself, so 480 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 2: I have to at this point remember that other people 481 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: needed to grow. I remember having story. I remember when 482 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: we were at that one club after my concert that 483 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: you had your show, and it was like we signing. 484 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: In fifty eight. 485 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: It was a fifty girl. There was this little punk 486 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 2: guy like she came up to us and they took 487 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: her hand and they were like, I need you to 488 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: know that I'm wearing this crap top because of you guys. 489 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 2: I'm wearing this because of you guys. And I'm like, 490 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: I can believe it. 491 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 3: It's a gudea in the community, specifically Empire. Just like 492 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 3: there's a newfound like confidence, you know, in a way 493 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 3: that like like because like it's a little bit I'm 494 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: not gonna say safer, because it's never that, but it's 495 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 3: a little bit more like celebrated. 496 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: I look, I just had the best time talking to 497 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 2: you today. It had we literally had to have this 498 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: conversation and there's a lot of things we haven't said 499 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: that we need to spill the tea on. Thank you 500 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: so much for like creating. Are you inspired me a lot? 501 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: Come I really considered your sister. 502 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes me feel like really really you know, 503 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 3: hugged and safe to like. 504 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 2: Period period. But it was nice talking to you. Have 505 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 2: a great rest of your day. Enjoy Miami. I'm out 506 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: here in my studio making beads. Mammy, I love you. 507 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: That was Puerto Rican musical artists Riano Antiano and Anna MACHOs. 508 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 5: Leonsis. 509 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 4: This episode was produced by Julia Roja with help from 510 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 4: Elizabeth Loental Torres. 511 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: He was edited by Daisy Contreras and mixed by j. J. 512 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 5: Carubin. 513 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 4: The Latino USA team includes Andrea Lopez Cruzado, Marta Martinez, 514 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 4: Mike Sargent, Victoria Estrada, Rinaldo, Leanos Junior, and Patricia Sulbaran, 515 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 4: with help from Trau Perez. 516 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: Our editorial director is Fernandes Santos. Our director of engineering 517 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: is Stephanie Leveau. Our senior engineer is Julia Caruso. Our 518 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: associate engineer is Gabriel La Biez. Our marketing manager is 519 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: Luis Luna. Our theme music was composed by Janet Rubinos. 520 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: Look for us on social media Imasi Yes CEO. 521 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 7: Latino USA is made possible in part by California Endowment, 522 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 7: building a strong state by improving the health of all Californians, 523 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 7: the John D. And Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, and Hispanics 524 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 7: In philanthropy. 525 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 3: I always talk from experience. I'm very autobiographical. So when 526 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 3: I get deep in it and when I get dirty, 527 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 3: you know, I'm sending shots, and the people who are 528 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 3: getting a shot at, they know who they are.