1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined by my trusted colleague West 3 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: Hodkuwits were coming to you here from our studios at 4 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: lambeau Field and West. Preseason game number two is on 5 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: the horizon. The Packers headed to Baltimore to face the Ravens. 6 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: And when you look at the second preseason game, Matt Lafleur, 7 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: Packers head coach, already said that the starters, the number 8 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: one units, are going to play about a quarter or so. Now. Offensively, 9 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: that will still be without Aaron Jones. He will be sidelines, 10 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: still being very precautionary with the tightness and his hamstring. 11 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: But Matt Lafleur and his offense with Aaron Rodgers at 12 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: the controls, the aginst An opponent will be the debut here. 13 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: And what are you looking for? I'm looking for excitement, 14 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: I'm looking for enthusiasm. I'm looking for efficiency. I thought 15 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: your story outlining some of the three things that that 16 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers was looking for in this game. He talked about, 17 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, the efficiency side of it, you know, getting 18 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: out of this thing hopefully healthy, and then also just 19 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: the natural competitiveness of being able to be back out 20 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: there with these guys. Um that that's gonna be the 21 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: biggest thing. If you can get through healthy and be 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: efficient what you want to accomplish realistically, I think that's 23 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: all you can hope for this year, are really in 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: any preseason and be quite honest with you. The other 25 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: thing of it, too, is that this is the first 26 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: big matchup I felt like for the backup quarterbacks, and 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: it was something that some of the guys have talked 28 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: about in the locker room. Baltimore throws a lot of 29 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: different blitz packages at you, a lot of different variation 30 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: with that, so well, last week might have been sort 31 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: of the beginner's course, kind of get yourself reacclimated things. 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: The Ravens, even in preseason settings, do historically turn it 33 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: up a little bit. Was what was interesting to me 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: and talking to some players in the locker room after 35 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: Tuesday's practices. There not expecting the Ravens to play this 36 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: as you would normally expect a preseason game across the league. 37 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: And I'm talking schematically in terms of you know, vanilla 38 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: and keeping things pretty simple and just working on the basics. 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: They're really expecting the Ravens to throw some unconventional looks 40 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: at them, to work on some of their uh you know, 41 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: more exotic packages and and see what those look like 42 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: in a game setting. And it sounds like the Packers 43 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: are actually kind of looking forward to it, looking forward 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: to the challenge. As you said, I think it becomes 45 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: a really interesting challenge for the Packers backup quarterbacks if 46 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: they indeed face uh those kinds of looks. Because I 47 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: thought both the Shaun Kaiser and Tim Boyle got the 48 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: preseason off to a good start. Nothing spectacular for either one. 49 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: Nobody's lighting it up, so to speak, but they both 50 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: gave themselves something to build on. But now they're going 51 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: to have to build on it against a better defensive unit, 52 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: no doubt. Also, it's communication competitiveness. Sorry, I got my 53 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: seas mixed up there as far as what Rogers was 54 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: looking for. But as it relates to the backup quarterbacks 55 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: in this particular matchup last week, I remember talking with 56 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: Tim Boyle a little bit after the game, and you know, 57 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: he said, you pretty much knew they were gonna throw four, 58 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: maybe five rushers at you at the same time, and 59 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: they felt confident about their five against our five, and 60 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna be that big of a discrepancy with 61 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: the Ravens. You're not sure. Maybe it could end up 62 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: being six. Maybe they could send an extra free blitzer. 63 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: And that's where it's gonna be. On the offensive line. 64 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: It's gonna be on the quarterbacks to pick up those things. 65 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: And it's also gonna be on a guy like Tommy 66 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: Bohannan who just comes in now and now he potentially 67 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: could be in the backfield, the fullback that played last 68 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: season with Jacksonville. So the big thing for the Packers 69 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: here is if you can get through this healthy, if 70 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: you can feel good about where you're at right now 71 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: with this offense, whether it's the first, second, or third team, 72 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: that's gonna be what really propels you forward. Because honestly, 73 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens in Canada. We know this starters 74 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: won't play against Kansas City. This second preseason game for 75 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: probably the last three or four years, has been sort 76 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: of that big barometer for the offense in the starting unit, 77 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: seeing what they can put out on the field. Yeah, 78 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: but you mentioned the new fullback Tony Tommy excuse me, Bohannon, 79 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: I want to talk about him for just a minute, 80 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: because this is an interesting signing here for the Packers. 81 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: You had both Danny Vitelli and Malcolm Johnson, the two 82 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 1: fullbacks on the roster our sideline with injuries at the moment, 83 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: and the Packers found it wasn't just you know, some 84 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: undrafted rookie who you know, was trying to find his way. 85 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: They found a veteran guy who's been with a few 86 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,119 Speaker 1: different teams but also been in and out of the league, 87 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: so to speak. Tell us Bohannon's. Yeah, so it's interesting. 88 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: Bohanon's actually in the six NFL season already. I mean 89 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: to quote my old friend Pete Doherty. He's vested at 90 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: this point in the league, but he's had like two 91 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: different halves to his career. Where he started, he was 92 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: a seventh round pick from the Jets in two thousand 93 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: and thirteen, go way back then, played a few seasons 94 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: for them, didn't make the final cut in two thousand sixteen, 95 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: was out of the league entirely that year. Was pouring 96 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: concrete for his family's business. He was training some kids 97 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: off to the side, and then they had that veteran combine, 98 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: the second one in Arizona and two thought March of 99 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen, Jacksonville saw him, they signed him, He 100 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: made the roster, and he played in thirty two straight 101 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: games for them, playing for current Packers offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett. 102 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: So a couple different layers to this one. Brian Goodkin said, 103 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: it's not like there was this bevy of fullbacks available, 104 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: especially ones that are veterans that they could come in 105 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: and play right away. They had some young guys they liked, 106 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: but not anyone quite like Bohannon. In Bohanon's perspective, he's 107 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: kind of just been sitting on the shelf. You're waiting 108 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: for that opportunity. But as he pointed out, with some 109 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: of the things he had to do as a fullback previously, 110 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: you know his patience has already been tested. Yeah. Well, 111 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball for the Packers 112 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: here heading to Baltimore, the ones will get. As Matt 113 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: Lafleur said about a quarter or so, an interesting challenge 114 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: he in quarterback Lamar Jackson, not your conventional NFL drop 115 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: back quarterback. That being said, though, I just wonder how 116 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: much the Ravens are really gonna expose Jackson to taking 117 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: any hits and whatnot. They may be telling him, they 118 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: may be calling plays in this preseason game that he's 119 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: supposed to sit in the pocket and get rid of 120 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: the ball because that's probably the part of his game 121 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: that they want to work on the most. Right, So 122 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: we may not really see the Lamar Jackson of September, October, 123 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: November here in August, but nonetheless it will be the 124 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: first look at the full first unit for the Green 125 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: Bay Packers. Defensively, for my money, Lamar Jackson the most 126 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: exciting young quarterback in this league right now. I love 127 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: watching the Baltimore Ravens play. It's unconventional. The receivers have 128 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: to be somewhat unselfish because you're not going to get 129 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: traditional seventy receptions over a year if you start. They're 130 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: trying to change the narrative there in terms of what 131 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: it takes to get to the playoffs and what kind 132 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: of quarterback you need because this guy is different and 133 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: the offense they run is different. Well, and it's kind 134 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: of like presidencies, right, not to get political, but when 135 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: you when you have one president, typically the next one 136 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: is just completely different. Right. They had Joe Flacco, who 137 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: was this pocket, big arm quarterback, and then they switch 138 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: over to Jackson, which is not to question his arm strength, 139 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: but his you know, there's questions where he's gonna play 140 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL. Right there are fundans outer that 141 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: we're wondering about it. The Ravens never had any doubt, 142 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: but it is a very run heavy offense. It gave 143 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: they get their running backs involved, they get Jackson involved. 144 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: It is going to be meshing that together in the 145 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: regular season. That's gonna say how far the Ravens truly 146 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: go in this setting, though I really don't know what 147 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: to expect. I know, I'm not sure what they're gonna run. 148 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be running that much. I'm 149 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: guessing they're gonna do some passing. But it's also not 150 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: like he's gonna He's not a three step quarterback and 151 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: you know, throw thirty yards downfield. So if I'm Mike 152 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: Petton and I'm talking with Sadarius Smith, who has, you know, 153 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: going back to Baltimore, Preston Smith, this defense, you know, 154 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: my basic thing is tackle. You know, whether it is 155 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: Jackson or whether it is the unning backs, this offensive 156 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: unit is to make sure you're sure up the tackling, 157 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: because that was the one thing that was missing from 158 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: that game against the Texas. Yeah, Matt la Fleur had 159 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: pointed out during the week when he went back through 160 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: the film, he counted twenty four miss tackles on the 161 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: part of the defense. Now, granted, a lot of the 162 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: number one guys didn't play and a lot of the 163 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: young guys, as we had talked about, they played an 164 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: inordinate number of snaps when you think about it for 165 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: a first preseason game in terms of getting into football 166 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: shape and all of that kind of stuff. But yes, 167 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: that is the biggest thing defensively the Packers want to 168 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: clean up here is the tackling. He cut down on 169 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: the miss tackles. Don't make this the narrative of Mike 170 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: Patton's second year defense that suddenly tackling is an issue. 171 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: So we'll be watching to see if that gets shored up. 172 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: The other thing, certainly that that Matt Lafleur would like 173 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: to see cleaned up as the penalties twelve penalties for 174 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: a little over a hundred yards against the Houston Texans. 175 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: And we saw some of those points of emphasis from 176 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: the officials. We saw the holding calls, We saw a 177 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: blindside block call. Those are the kinds of things that 178 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna They're definitely gonna call it in the preseason 179 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: and try to get these guys accustomed to how it's 180 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: going to be called in the regular season with these 181 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: points of emphasis. One of the points emphasis, though, that 182 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: surprised me from the first game that didn't get called 183 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: much was the past interference. I actually thought we were 184 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: going to see a lot of flags. I and I 185 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: actually even though I think if you look by the 186 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: tried and true definition of the rule, it wasn't past 187 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: interference on Al Lazard and that one in zone throw 188 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: that Tim Boyle through. But I liked the rationale behind 189 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: why La Fleur wanted to challenge it. Yeah, I just 190 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: thought we were going to get more of those. I 191 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: thought the reps would be a little bit more um, 192 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, liberal with what they wanted to throw out there. 193 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: Maybe get some of those things, uh down Because a 194 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: lot of times you're right, Mike, the blindside black I 195 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: think is here to stay in terms of the emphasis 196 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: on it, I think that isn't gonna dwindle at all. 197 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: But other times there are certain defensive holding and offensive 198 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: past afference where it's like, Okay, we're gonna hammer this 199 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: in the preseason, but once you get to week one, 200 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, we'll all make our hands go to different 201 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: directions and everyone knows the real rules in which we're 202 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: playing with. So that did surprise me, and I am 203 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: very gonna gonna be very curious, especially Aaron Rodgers is 204 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: testing the Ravens deep early in this game, is if 205 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: we are going to see a little bit more laundry 206 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: out on the field, because I just think with the 207 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: offensive past interference rules now being what they are, in 208 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: adding the challenge element to this, that's gonna be a 209 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: big sublot, you know, subtitle to this whole season. But 210 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: in terms of the other stuff, You're absolutely right, there's 211 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: no excuse for it. Matt Floor wants to clean it up, 212 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: and we'll see how they respond to it. And I 213 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: do think that there's a good chance maybe in at 214 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: least once in each of the four preseason games we 215 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: see the Packers challenge of past interference or a non passage. 216 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: I would, yeah, exactly to work through some of the 217 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: mechanics of that and then see, Okay, what did they 218 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: see and and what is their decision based on? Uh, 219 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, is it clear and obvious, which is how 220 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: the rule is written, and is is that how they're 221 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: going to call it. You want to try to get 222 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: a feel for all that before the games are real. 223 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: And you know, there are some fine gentlemen out there 224 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: that help out the packers with they're officiating during the 225 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: prese during training camp, but the NFL officials this is 226 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: a learning process. And we even heard it from the 227 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: gentleman that came in last week talking about how, yeah, 228 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: it is some of the stuff that happens on the field, 229 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: but it's also the conversations that they have in the 230 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: locker room with the team and making sure that you 231 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: understand all that. You can preach points of emphasis until 232 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: you're read in the face. But we saw with the 233 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: Clay Matthews sacks last year and the quarterback hits and 234 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: the unnecessary roughness, how quickly all that can go out 235 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: the door if it's not officiated in the manner that 236 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: everybody believes it's going to be. Yeah, for sure, and 237 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: the NFL absolutely does not want another controversy like the 238 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: don't need to be roughing the passer stuff that was 239 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: going on last September. Um quickly with some sponsored business 240 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: select Cousin Subs locations are now offering delivery. 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The news is not doesn't sound like it's 249 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: as bad on or in Burke's as maybe everybody feared 250 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: that Gudacunst is hoping as they continue to gather more 251 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: information that this is not necessarily a long term injury 252 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: for Burks and that he could be back. He didn't 253 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: give a timeline on that, however, So in the meantime, 254 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: whether we're talking a few weeks or several weeks, or 255 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: whatever the case might be, the Packers will be looking 256 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: for that second inside linebacker to pair with Blake Martinez. 257 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: And as we talked about on the last show, Curtis 258 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: Bolton Tye Summers are probably the two leading candidates right now. 259 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: James Crawford, Brady Sheldon also in that mix at inside linebacker. 260 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: But that's going to be a position to watch here, 261 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: especially with the ones taking the field for the first 262 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: time defensively and uh. And then for a guy like 263 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: Ty Summers who had the ted tackles and a few 264 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: miss tackles against Houston, can he build on what he 265 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: did uh in his rookie first preseason game. Yeah, And 266 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: this is gonna be the biggest change for the Packers 267 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: this year. As we mentioned, I think on our previous 268 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: show on Monday, when there was a big injury there 269 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: with the shoulder too, Burke's last year, they went out 270 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: and got Antonio Morrison pretty much right away. They have 271 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: not done that at this juncture. So one, you hope 272 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: that that bodes well for Burke's in his long term 273 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: future here. Certainly he looked like, you know, it really 274 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: made some nice strides prior to this chest injury. But 275 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: on the other side of it, I think it also 276 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: speaks to what they feel like the confidence level is 277 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: like with those inside linebackers and also with some of 278 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: those safeties that could potentially be filling that box roll 279 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: next to Blake Martinez as well. One of the things 280 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: I outlined an insider in box was it is very 281 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: important to step up in this time, whether it's Curtis Bolton, 282 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: whether it's James Crawford, or whether it's Ties Summers. But 283 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: I still really like the reps that Summers is getting 284 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: with the twos right now as the lead communicator, because 285 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Packers have been blessed and fortunate that 286 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 1: Blake Martinez has been healthy as an OX here the 287 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: last two Season's been able to stay on the field. 288 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: He is a key cog for this defense, and as 289 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: long as Burke's is out, that is one less guy 290 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: that they have behind Martinez. As it relates to those 291 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: dime packages, were Martinez is the only guy in the 292 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: field in the interim. The main thing that Bolton, Summers, 293 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: Crawford and also throw Brady Shelton in there. They're trying 294 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: to buy for that first down, second down roll against 295 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: the run, putting your head down, being able to stand 296 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: up to contact, and being able to tackle guys in 297 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: the open field. I thought, again early on, Summers did 298 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: that really well against Houston. Whatever happened in the second 299 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: half happened, But I think you saw when he has 300 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: a full gas tank, what this young man is capable of, 301 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: especially being the seventh round pick. Bolton is the guy 302 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: that just has kind of come out of nowhere for 303 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: me because I didn't know much about him coming at Oklahoma. 304 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: I learned a lot from him from your story and 305 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: what he's dealt with to get to this point. Just 306 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: a one year starter, a fifth year senior starter at 307 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: Oklahoma and had been a essentially a backup, a special 308 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: teams guy, and then a dealt with an injury prior 309 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: to that, and now here he is in the NFL 310 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: with a chance to become a starter for the Green 311 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: Bay Packer. And this is the main reason why I 312 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: wanted to point to that, because sometimes it isn't about 313 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: the guy who played five years at these big power 314 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: five conference schools. Sometimes it's the Curtis Boltons of the 315 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: world that's people start to just let fly under the 316 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: radar because either there was an injury or he wasn't starting, 317 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: and then suddenly, boom, here he is. This is just 318 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: gonna be such an important stretch here for that young 319 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: man as he's trying to not only make this team 320 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: but also show that okay, if it works out this 321 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: way in week one, you need somebody next to Blake Martinez, 322 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm your guy. Yeah, alright, Well, as we as we 323 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: wrap up today's show here previewing this Baltimore preseason game West, 324 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: anybody else that comes to mind that we haven't mentioned 325 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: yet that is a particular player you might have your 326 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: eye on from the press box in Baltimore. The number 327 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: one guy that And I couldn't write it again this 328 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: week because I already wrote it last week, But I 329 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: actually feel like the number one guy we've seen in 330 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: this year's training camp. And I'm putting this above Jake Kumero. 331 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: By the way, a lot of people might have thought 332 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: it was gonna say, Jay Kumarro is Robert Tayan. If 333 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: you watch these practices, Robert Tayan is going to be 334 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: a part of this offense in two thousand nineteen. Last year, 335 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: he was behind those three veterans. He didn't get a 336 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: whole lot of playing time. They started to mix them 337 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: in a little bit, but realistically his biggest contribution was 338 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: the special teams. Every single practice, he is making a play, 339 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: he is being where he needs to be, and Aaron 340 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: Rodgers has developed a confidence in this young man We 341 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: also saw Jimmy Graham come and get a thirty two 342 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: yard touchdown near the end of practice actually the second 343 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: to last team period, I believe in practice at a 344 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: two minute drill, looking really good over the top of 345 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: the defense. We've talked so much about the receiver position, 346 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: and rightfully so. There's a lot of jobs at stakes 347 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: and they're starting jobs at stake, but tight end is 348 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: going to be the position, and I feel like with 349 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur's scheme is going to get the biggest shine 350 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 1: put on it in Robert Tanian with what he's been 351 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: able to learn from Marcedes Lewis and what he's learned 352 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: from Jimmy Graham, mixed in with the fact that this 353 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: is a hungry guy that wants to prove he belongs 354 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: in this league. He's going to be the number one 355 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: guy have my eye on because I think there's a 356 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: legitimate chance he actually does get some reps with Aaron 357 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: Rodgers on Thursday night. Yeah, I don't know if you 358 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: listen to Aaron Rodgers interview with Sirius XM Radio that 359 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: he did. I believe it was yesterday on Tuesday. We're 360 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: taping this on Wednesday. Um, about a fifteen minute interview, 361 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: and there was a segment in there where he was 362 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: talking about Robert Tanya and he certainly said plenty of 363 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: positive things that his locker talking to the vocal media 364 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: on a regular basis. What he said on that Sirius 365 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: XM radio show about Robert Tannian absolutely convinces me that 366 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: this guy is going to be a part of the 367 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: offense in nine. There's just no doubt about it. The 368 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: confidence that Aaron Rodgers has in this young man at 369 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: that position, it definitely is is starting to show. Here's 370 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: the thing though about Tany that I like the most. 371 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: We hear so much time, so much about just trusting 372 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: a guy confidence. It gets the point where where it 373 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: seems like we're overstating it. Robert Twian has confidence in 374 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: himself and that might seem like a small thing, but 375 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: you gotta understand, this is a guy who played at 376 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: Indiana State. I think they had one guy in the 377 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: last fifteen years that has played in the league out 378 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: of Indiana State. And he wasn't playing tight end there. 379 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: And he wasn't playing tight end. He was a quarterback. 380 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: He was a receiver. If you know anything about Robert 381 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: Tannian story. Most of his football career has been told, Yeah, 382 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: this isn't the position for you. You're not quite good enough. 383 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: Tight End is this guy's position, Michael, And much like 384 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: Jake Kumero, I will bring it all back together against 385 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: get it into a nice degree circle. Much like Kumarro, 386 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: both of these guys a year ago they were playing 387 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: their butts off trying to make a roster. This year 388 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: they're trying to be in this rotation, and I think 389 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,719 Speaker 1: there's a real good chance that both of them are 390 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: going to do it. Yeah, well quickly, I'm gonna rattle 391 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: off a couple other guys that I'm gonna have my 392 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: eye on number one. I think the Packers still have 393 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: a lot they're trying to sort out at backup offensive tackles. Sure, 394 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: we're going to be the backups to David back tr 395 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: and Brian Blaga. You've got Alex Light, You've got Yosh 396 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: Naiman and um Chart. You're hard to bear. I was 397 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: forgetting the third one in that mix. Watch those guys, 398 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: watch those offensive tackles after the starters leave the game 399 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: on Thursday night. Because the Packers have some pecking order 400 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: with their offensive line to figure out. The other thing 401 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: I will say is I always try to look for 402 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: a guy who made a splash in a preseason game, 403 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: and then can he build on it? Can he show 404 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: that he can continue to do it and not just 405 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: make it a one time thing. And that guy for 406 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: me is Cadar Holman, the sixth round draft pickout of Toledo, 407 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: had a great interception against the Houston Texans. That's something 408 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: to build on. He needs. He needs to build on 409 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: it and continue to keep that arrow pointing up here 410 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: as the preseason goes along. First, I want to just 411 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: talk quickly about the offensive line. You're absolutely right, Alex 412 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: light Niman. These guys have to show themselves. They need 413 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: to prove that they're worthy of a roster spot. I 414 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: will also point out when Brian Blaga was sitting last week, 415 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: Billy Turner looks like a real fine for this offensive 416 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: line because by all intents and purposes, you'll be starting 417 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: at right guard here for the Packers at the beginning 418 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: of the season. But I think he's also the type 419 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: of guy with his experience and the way he takes 420 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: approach to the game. He also can fill in at 421 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: a tackle spot if absolutely necessary to be called upon 422 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: the cornerback position. You hit it out of the park 423 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: with Holman, and for one major reason, the Packers need 424 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: to have five players at that position. And I mean 425 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they need to keep five. I'm saying 426 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: they need to have five guys at at any given 427 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: time you can put them in an NFL regular season 428 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: football game and feel like you can win. Packers are 429 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: back in the business of winning football. Okay, all the 430 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: credit in the world of Ladarius Gunter, I salute him. 431 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: He did a phenomenal job against terrible circumstances in two 432 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen. This situation at quarterback has completely changed, though. 433 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: We're talking about guys now that running the four threes 434 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: right with Holman, with Tony Brown, as you wrote about, 435 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: these are the guys now that are that next guard. 436 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: If you don't have Kevin King, if you don't have 437 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: Gyr Alexander at any given time, if you're going to 438 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: survive an entire season and play potentially nineteen games to 439 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: win a Lombardi Trophy, you have to have options. I've 440 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: been really impressed so far by how Holman has stepped 441 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: right in and not look like a six round rookie. Yep, 442 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: I agree with you there. With that, we're going to 443 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: call it a wrap on this edition of Packers on 444 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: Script and be sure to follow all of our coverage 445 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: of the team and of Thursday night's preseason game from Baltimore. 446 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: Will both be there on Packers dot com. Subscribe to us, 447 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: like us on iTunes and other podcast services if you will. 448 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: On Twitter, he's at west Hot I'm at Mike Spofford 449 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: at Packers for the team account. Thanks for tuning in, everybody, 450 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: See you next time.