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Speaker 1: Hey, this is any and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I never told you, but I can have iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 1: So as your listeners know, if you've been listening to

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Speaker 1: our episodes recently, we are all in on this Halloween season.

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Speaker 1: We have just been picking all of our topics based

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Speaker 1: around some spooky things, almost all of our topics and

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Speaker 1: quite all of them. So for our October book Club pick,

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Speaker 1: we went with Revenge eleven Dark Tales by Yoko Ogawa.

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Speaker 1: It was originally published in Japan and translated and published

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Speaker 1: in the US. In it has been really well reviewed

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Speaker 1: and received. Um it went on to when several awards.

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Speaker 1: It came up on a bunch of lists I was

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Speaker 1: looking at. So these eleven short stories are Afternoon at

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Speaker 1: the Bakery, Fruit Juice, Old Mrs Ja, The Little Dustman,

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Speaker 1: Lab Coats, Sewing for the Heart, Welcome to the Museum

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Speaker 1: of Torture, The Man who Sold Braces, the Last Hour

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Speaker 1: of the Bengal Tiger, Tomatoes in the Full Moon, and

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Speaker 1: Poison Plants. So that's, you know, a real hodgepodge of

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Speaker 1: the titles. And these stories are in parts bizarre, unsettling,

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Speaker 1: meta fictional, and they are connected Ogawa's writing is descriptive

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Speaker 1: but sparse, like she can really paint a picture and

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Speaker 1: build dread by crafting only a few sentences together. She's

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Speaker 1: just very fast and communicating what's going on. She's able

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Speaker 1: to do a lot with a little and I thought

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Speaker 1: the whole thing was really textual, like she'll describe sounds

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Speaker 1: that are, you know, often associated with horror, like a

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Speaker 1: violin screech or or something like, just really messling with

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Speaker 1: all of your senses. And it does make you question

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Speaker 1: the reality of the stories reading, the reliability of the narrator,

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Speaker 1: so that you're in a constant state of uncertainty because

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Speaker 1: every story is told from the viewpoint of a narrator.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you realize who it is later, Oftentimes Julia, I

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Speaker 1: don't know who this is, right, there's no gender given

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Speaker 1: as just the narrator. And I thought it was really cool.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it because their instances, especially in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: herring or just a minor detail, but then it shows

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Speaker 1: up in a later story. It's disorienting as well, because

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Speaker 1: the narrator shifts and you're never quite sure, yeah, who

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Speaker 1: it is. If these stories are going to connect. If

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Speaker 1: they're not going to connect, some of the stories become

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Speaker 1: more horrifying or disturbing only after you've read the next story,

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Speaker 1: and that gives this layer of foreboding and dread throughout

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Speaker 1: where you might read something you're like, oh, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure that's worse than I think it is, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to find out why later. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of fun and scary to try to pick

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Speaker 1: up on the random details that maybe integral to the

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Speaker 1: future stories. I was like, oh, I bet that's going

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Speaker 1: to show up. I could almost never guess how, but

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's that's something. Yeah, I think it is interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those that you read through once and

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe I did go back because I think

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Speaker 1: feel like I may have like skimmed over something or

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Speaker 1: you know, missed something like I don't remember was that

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Speaker 1: a part of this, like because it would be a

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Speaker 1: the third story, and I'm like, what what, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean it connects way back like the tent story might

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Speaker 1: connect to the second story, is so, and it might

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Speaker 1: connect also to the sixth one and the fifth one,

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Speaker 1: like a bunch of them. Towards the end, it gets

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Speaker 1: She does a really good job of making it circular though,

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Speaker 1: And in Samantha and I were discussing before we started recording,

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Speaker 1: that when I'm consuming entertainment that has been translated or

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Speaker 1: saying this? Do she mean it this way? And like

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Speaker 1: what the last story? I got me? At one point

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Speaker 1: I was like, wait, did that happen yet? We'll talk

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Speaker 1: let's let's do a quick overview of these stories, and

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Speaker 1: we'll start with the first one, which is called Afternoon

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Speaker 1: at the Bakery. Right. So, the story follows a woman

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Speaker 1: And the days after his death, the woman watched the

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Speaker 1: one opens with a young woman nervously asking the narrator

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Speaker 1: So there's that color contrast. After an awkward, silent meal,

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Speaker 1: accidentally touching it at one point. Um the narrator learns

429
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: the customer is a singer and goes to see her

430
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: in secret, wanting to see the heart in the wild.

431
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: When the they test the bag for fit, the narrator

432
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: likens the bag to a spider or a fetus, but

433
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: it does fit her pretty much perfectly that she asked

434
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: her some adjustments. The narrator is incredibly pleased with his

435
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: work and that he's created something unique, uh, something no

436
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: one else has ever made. And by the way, throughout

437
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: this story, we learned about his pet hamster, whom he

438
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: loves and he has made a bag for his hamster

439
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: so he could take it on a walk. So the narrative,

440
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: his life became consumed with this bag. Their hunger died,

441
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: their hamster died. I mean literally, he's like, oh, no,

442
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: it is dead. What do I do? And we don't

443
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: know if it's because of neglect or what, because at

444
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: one point was happy and going about his life, and

445
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he's like, I forgot about everything.

446
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: Oh and I found my hamster dead. Then the customer

447
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: reveals that she no longer niece the bag and that

448
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: she's pursuing a procedure to put her part back into place,

449
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: which I mean like, for a moment I was on

450
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: his side. I was like, oh, that's really rude. I

451
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: think she does offer to pay, but I don't know

452
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: if she does, and she offers to but yes, she

453
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: was very dismissive of like I don't need it anymore. Also,

454
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: by the way, throughout this whole time, as she's like

455
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: showing him the heart, she's very non plus about it.

456
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: It's just like, here you go, here's the heart. You

457
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: don't have to be so gentle, like be gentle, but

458
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: you can you can look at you can like it

459
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: was really oddly casual. Maybe that's what he thinks, and

460
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: that's how you read it. I don't know. Anyway, the

461
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: narrator tries to convince her not to that the bag

462
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: is perfect, Like he's trying to tell how amazing it is. No, seriously,

463
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: I put so much work in through what you're not

464
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: gonna want to put it back in your body? Okay.

465
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: So the customer reiterates she won't be needing it and

466
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: accidentally knocks into the floor as she leaves like a

467
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: dead animal. He compares it to like just a dead carcass. Yeah,

468
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: and also read the hamster. He threw it away in

469
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: a fast food trush game. Yes, catch up on apparently? Yeah,

470
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: catch up. I don't think he put catch up on it.

471
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: And then through the way ketchup just what happened. But

472
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: yeah he just talked about but Ketchup being on it.

473
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: I was like, huh, yeah, okay, okay, Well anyway, the

474
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: narrator shows up at the hospital determined to get the

475
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: woman to try the bag one time since it was

476
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime project before she gets the procedure.

477
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: So he as he's in the elevator going up, he

478
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: thinks to himself that he will get the bag on

479
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: her and cut away the heart so that it belongs

480
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, it ends there, but that's the thought

481
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: he has, and he has a knife, like he has

482
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: a whole plan on how he's going to do this,

483
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: how he's faking his way into the room. But also

484
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: you should know that throughout he does obviously as she

485
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: read the passage, he has a really big fetish for

486
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: this heart that he is so obsessed with it. It

487
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: cares nothing about the woman, who cares nothing about her,

488
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: only the heart, and it usually ends with like him

489
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 1: pretty much in his mind, molesting the heart and then

490
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: squeezing it. Oh that is throughout the story, which that

491
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: was weird. This is why I was like, oh god,

492
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: that's just yeah. Yeah, that's a pretty big turning point

493
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: from where they've been so far. Yeah, I was like, oh, okay,

494
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: this dude is real, real, real there because at the

495
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: very least the other way the other stories, we have

496
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: a different perspective of the narrators not being a part

497
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: of that but may have been witnessed to it, so

498
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: different to see that as the point of view. And

499
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: then we have the next story, which is Welcome to

500
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: the Museum of Torture, which is like okay um, And

501
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: this one starts with recounting of all the deaths that

502
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: have happened across the world that day and the narrator

503
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: finding the body of a dead hamster and a fast

504
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: food trash can. Yeah, she talks about the fact that

505
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: she thought it moved and she was very fascinated about it.

506
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: But then it was magas know, not only that a

507
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: doctor has been murdered in the apartment above hers, is

508
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: that she At this point of narrators, investigators questioned the

509
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: narrator about the murder and also about the possible connection

510
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: between that and a murder of a patient that took

511
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: place in the hospital where he worked. At that doctor Essentially,

512
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: when the woman had been killed, the murderer goudging a

513
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: hole in her chest, but I think actually she was

514
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: stabbed like in her throat too. He lost his pace,

515
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what conversation happens, but it says

516
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: she had been stabbed at death, and so was the

517
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: doctor had been stabbed at to the point that he

518
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: was almost decapitated. And she's talking about the fact that

519
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: trying to describe this to him being essential to the

520
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: investigation and kind of proud of it and really into

521
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: this detective and wants to tell him more, wants to

522
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: be needed. The narrator, who is a beautician, is preparing

523
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: for a night with her boyfriend complete were strawberry shortcakes, um,

524
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: and it's you know, they've spent three teks apart, so

525
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: that's you know, supposed to be this happy reunion. After

526
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: she hears some noise coming from the apartment above, the

527
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: narrator informs her boyfriend that there was a murder in

528
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: that apartment, and the narrator goes all in yeah and

529
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: like how she wants to help the detectives and reporters.

530
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: She wants to help solf the case. And her boyfriend

531
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: asked angrily if she thinks it's amusing someone died and

532
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: storms out. The narrator goes for a walk, sitting in

533
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: front of a familiar bakery and watching a familiar clock

534
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: that we've seen in other stories. She reminisces about all

535
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: the girls that she had known who had been broken

536
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: up with by their boyfriends foreseemingly random silly reasons. In

537
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: her mind. As she walks, the narrator ends up at

538
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: the Museum of Torture and decides to go in. There's

539
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: no one in the lobby, no one answer has been called,

540
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: so the narrator goes in finds an old man that

541
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: seems to be waiting for her. He asked the narrator

542
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: if she wants to see the collection or contribute an

543
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: instrument of torture. The narrator asked for a tour, and

544
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: the man agrees, showing and describing items of torture, including

545
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: a bag that is almost course it like and contains

546
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: traces of human blood and flesh. The narrator imagines what

547
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: it would be like to torture her boyfriend and asked

548
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: if she can come back sometime. The old man says

549
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: they will be waiting. Yeah, she has a lot of

550
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: thoughts of torturing her boyfriend. She does, she does, and

551
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: then also a lot of thoughts on how the old

552
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: man didn't look old. Yeah. I remember being like, there's

553
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: something with this guy, and there and there was. He

554
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: also asked if those items had been used or he

555
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: had been attempted to use it, and he was like

556
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: I have, and she was like wait what I mean?

557
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: So there you go, but doesn't need to be shocked.

558
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: So we move on to another story called The Men

559
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: who Sold Braces. In the story starts with the narrator

560
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: remembering their uncle who seemed to break everything he touched

561
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: um and went through many jobs, including curator of a

562
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: museum and a brace salesman and creator. He was an inventor.

563
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: He died when he was strangled after the garbage that

564
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: accumulated in his place fell on him. I still understand

565
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: the strangled bit as much as suffocation, so I wondered

566
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: if that was a translation and or the insinuations that

567
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: I thought maybe he had like assixiated himself. But whatever,

568
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: and the narrator was called to claim the body and

569
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: the fur coat left for them. So in the narrator's memories,

570
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: their parents were always in tents around the uncle, like

571
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: and everyone. It wasn't just the parents are all adults

572
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: except him as a child UM. And in one particular memory,

573
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: the uncle tried to help build a model that promptly broke,

574
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: And it wasn't that he helped, he didn't up doing

575
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: it himself and wouldn't allow the boy to touch it um,

576
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: and the boy knew he was going to mess it up,

577
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: like immediately and was anxious about allowing him to do it. Also,

578
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: it took away from doing it with his father, who

579
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: had bought it for him. Both of those things, and

580
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: in another the uncle tested a brace on the narrator,

581
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: a color around the neck, brace around the spine, and

582
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: support around the waist, which was supposed to make him taller.

583
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: So it says, just thirty minutes a day for six

584
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: months to make you taller. Of course, it was incredibly uncomfortable,

585
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: and despite the pain they caused, the difficulty breathing, the

586
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: uncle has a contract to sell them, or so he says,

587
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: and it is planning on advertising them and getting them

588
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: medically approved for physical therapy. And when the boys trying

589
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: it all, he's choking. Please take it awfu, least take

590
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: it off, and everybody like, oh my god, what is this. Eventually,

591
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: by the way, the uncle was arrested for fraud because

592
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: that contract wasn't real, the protiment wasn't real, and he

593
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: was not supposed to be selling it as such. And

594
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: he went to Jill, Yes he did. But when he

595
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: got out he got a job as a butler at

596
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: a very nice house owned by a pair of elderly

597
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: twin women. Um he were constantly traveling. The uncle claims

598
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: that he spent most of his time at his job

599
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: looking after the Bengal tiger, but also the twins go

600
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: around the world buying stuff that could and had inflicted

601
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 1: torture and bringing them home. So he watched over all

602
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: that stuff, becoming the curator of this museum. After the

603
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: women died at the funeral. At the uncle's funeral, there

604
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: were whispers that the uncle had been doing indecent acts

605
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: with underage girls at the museum, including a beautician he'd

606
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: allegedly been involved with. The narrator remembers um when his

607
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: uncle gave him, yes, the fur coat to walk home

608
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,479
Speaker 1: in it was a cold night, gave him a fur coat,

609
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: and how the sleeves slipped off as the narrator realized

610
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: it was bits of tiger. Yes, the relationship was really sweet,

611
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: like oddly enough, because a the uncle always brought him

612
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: a gift and would be like, where do you think

613
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: it is, and and maybe like, oh, this is gonna

614
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: be bad, but it wasn't. It was It was innocent.

615
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: And so when the boy goes to visit him as

616
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: an older man, he's like, I brought you a gift.

617
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: And brought him his favorite chocolates. Like the fact that

618
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: someone actually cared about him, yeah, was shocking because apparently

619
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: no one did. None of the families didn't even talking

620
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: about the funeral. How everybody was really uncomfortable and was

621
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: trying to figure out why they were there essentially, And

622
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: again the young boy who who ends up being the

623
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: one that's called in to come and claim his body

624
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: because there was nobody else. He had been arrested a

625
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: second time because he had ambezzled all of the elderly

626
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: sister's money apparently, which is why he when he was

627
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: in his home, he had all that stuff that was

628
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: coming apart and he never got rid of anything, so

629
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: he ended up just stacking in a small apartment and

630
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: that's how he died. Yeah. And also there were cheek rubbing.

631
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: There was a lot of cheek rubbing, man like to

632
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: rub his cheek on everything, but again it wasn't sexual. Yeah,

633
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: I think. I think the implication was that he hangs

634
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: out with that tiger so much and that was his

635
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: way of showing affection to the tiger, which is a

636
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: good lead in to the next story. The last hour

637
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: of the Bengal Tiger Um and this one opens on

638
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: the narrator looking for a reason to avoid a confrontation

639
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: with a woman demanding She's like thinking in her head

640
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: that she's going to demand of this woman that she

641
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: quote give her husband back. And the husband is a

642
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: respiratory specialist who's been away on a medical conference. The

643
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: narrator is stalled from this whole ordeal by an overturned

644
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: truck on the highway that has killed the driver and

645
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: um left all these tomatoes spilling all over the road.

646
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: The narrator remembers the woman her husband is cheating with

647
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: the hospital secretary as pathetic and bad at her job. Also,

648
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: she has a run in with the beautician. It's all

649
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: coming together, right, so looking for a reason to avoid

650
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: the confrontation. Apparently in her mind she also gets lost.

651
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: She's like it's changed. And also she also had this

652
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: big description of how she's running over the tomatoes and

653
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: wondering what I feel like to run over a body.

654
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't know. Do you think this

655
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: is the same time the doctor was supposed to be

656
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: at a conference somewhere else or something, returns back because

657
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: he got stuck in the train, goes and sees the

658
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: secretary and he's being killed. Do you think this is

659
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: the same timeline? So the reason like her missing not

660
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: getting to him was actually saved her life? Maybe? I

661
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: think so. I think he got to laid the secretary

662
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: hospital secretary just did not believe it. But I think

663
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: he was either lying about that medical conference, right. Was

664
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: it was this the same timeline or a different timeline?

665
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: I was wondering that. I was like, is this like

666
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: when it just happened that she missed all these things

667
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: and changed her mind on a day that would have

668
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: gotten either her killed or that husband. Right. I think

669
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: at this point, huh, I think I think it's the

670
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: same timeline because I think it's earlier than some of

671
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: the other stories we've read, because the tiger is still alive. Right,

672
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: Listeners who don't know how the story, you probably do.

673
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: It's pretty obvious. Wait what right? Right? So moving on, So,

674
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: because she's trying to avoid it, she gets kind of

675
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: lost and she finds in really large house with a

676
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: beautiful garden. Um decides I wasn't going to this arden

677
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: even though it was private property. I still don't understand

678
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: this like invasiveness that everyone seems to be okay with

679
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: and she runs into an old man hovering over a

680
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: very sick tiger, and the man gestures the darator close

681
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: as if he was expecting her, and we have this

682
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: whole moment of us seeing that the tiger is sick,

683
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: um is laying there and dying, and then the man

684
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: is loving all this. I will say, I was sitting

685
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: next to my dog was like, this is not a

686
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: nice story. I don't like this story because we're watching

687
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: this tiger die. But there's just like moment between the

688
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: tiger and the older man really connected. They become one,

689
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: she says at one point in time in her mind,

690
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: because the way he touches his cheek to the tiger's cheek,

691
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: and the tired looking up to make sure he's still

692
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: there as he's about to die. And then she stays

693
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: with him and she's like, oh my god, I think

694
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: I've I've interrupted, and he's like, no, you're supposed to

695
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: be You're supposed to be here. Why would you say that.

696
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: She stays with him, and as the tiger dies, and

697
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 1: immediately after she walks away, she does, uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

698
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: It was an interesting tie. And I was like, oh,

699
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: so the tiger was real because for the longest time,

700
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: I thought maybe he was making this up right, right,

701
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: And then it's implied that she's like given up on

702
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: the confrontation, still thinking about it, but she's like, not

703
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: not today. Well, she's about to go home and find

704
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: her husband was decapitated. It has no tongue, So there's that.

705
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: I mean, is that a good or bad thing? I

706
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: don't know. Probably pretty bad. So we come to the

707
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,959
Speaker 1: next story, which is called Tomatoes and the Full Moon.

708
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: The next story opens again with a narrator a reporter,

709
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: this time checking into a hotel room, only to find

710
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: a dog like lady and her dog inside. I'm not

711
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: gonna lie. I thought for a minute it was gonna

712
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: be a ghost story. Maybe it was I trying to

713
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: figure it out. And the woman claims to have checked

714
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: into the room as well, but offers no proof, and

715
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: the narrator convinces her she made a mistake and she leaves.

716
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean convinces her because she's like, how did you

717
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: How did He's like, how did you get in? She

718
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: was like through the patio door's cook, ma'am, you don't

719
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: have a key. Oh, I'm so sorry, And she leaves

720
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: and she really loves this dog by the way, Yes,

721
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: and the reporter sees the woman the next day and

722
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: can't stop watching her. Um she's giving away tomatoes that

723
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: she organically grows on her farm and her words. When

724
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: the reporter eats at the hotel restaurant, the dishes are

725
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: full of tomatoes, which kind of they fine, tiresome. The

726
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: woman joins the reporter at the table. The reporter reveals

727
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: that they are writing an article about the hotel firm magazine,

728
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: and the woman reveals she picked the tomatoes up the

729
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: day before on a bridge, and that she is drawn

730
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: to the reporter because they remind her of the person

731
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: who saved her and her stepson decades earlier from a snowstorm,

732
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: the same snowstorm the narrator described going through with his

733
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: MoMA seven stories ago, but also yeah, at the same time,

734
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: it's confusing because it seems like she's describing the same

735
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: child of the first story anyway, And she also says

736
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: she's drawn to the reporter because they remind her of

737
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: the person who saved her and her step son decades

738
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: earlier from a snowstorm, perhaps the same snowstorm the narrator

739
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: just got going through with his mama several stories ago,

740
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: but also could be the same child from the first story.

741
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. She claimed that her work had been

742
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: stolen and she had taken to carrying her manuscripts with

743
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: her everywhere, And it turns out the women had written

744
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: our claims to have written a story called Afternoon at

745
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: the Bakery Beta fiction. When the narrator goes to check out,

746
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: he discovers her manuscript only to find it, like, right,

747
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: so several bits to this, because I was like, what's happening?

748
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: When is happening A the entire time you see her

749
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: with the satchel that she will not let go off,

750
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: to the point that he is obviously very fascinated by

751
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: her at this point, even like she's not just stalking

752
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: him anymore, he likes being around her, starts taking pictures

753
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: of her. He really enjoys her attention because when he swims,

754
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: she requests specific types of swimming and collapsed very loudly

755
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: for him, which, by the way, no one is paying

756
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: attention to this woman. The kitchen got cooked, did, but

757
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: outside of that, no one really seems to see this woman,

758
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: which I found interesting. And the entire time she's clutching

759
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: this where if used to let it go, talks about

760
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: how her last work was stolen, and so he's like, okay, okay,

761
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,959
Speaker 1: we'll be careful whatever. Then she disappears. He never sees

762
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: her again, and but she leaves as his leaving her

763
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: the chair that she sat in watching him. Apparently she

764
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: had this one chair the entire time he was there.

765
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: She left the manuscript there completely blank. And also in

766
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: the story the Afternoon right the at the bay Rate,

767
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: it was a picture of the person with the carrots

768
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: that was in the back and it wasn't her, right,

769
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: So this is where you're like, wait, what because the

770
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: first story it's called Afternoon at the Bakery, and that

771
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: was the one where the woman went to the bakery

772
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: and she was trying to get the shortcakes for her

773
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: dead child and witnesses the bakery baker crying. But the

774
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: implication seems to be she is this at least to

775
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: me mama from that other story, because she is a writer,

776
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: she kept things hidden. He later found out she wrote

777
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: about those carrot hands. Found a clipping of that in

778
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: the paper. But this whole thing just seems to imply

779
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: that either the first story is just a story that

780
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: you read in this fictional world that she wrote, or

781
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: she didn't write anything at all. It was kind of

782
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: like a big liar write right. So that was the

783
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: other because like the picture was not her, is what

784
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: he says. So I was like, wait, so was it

785
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: not her? I don't I don't know. Moving on to

786
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: the finale called Poison Plants Um and this starts at

787
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: a concert that included a children's choir singing Little Dustman.

788
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: The narrator, a painter this time, is intrigued by a

789
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: servant at the event, believing he should be a singer

790
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: um though he himself wants to be a composer. She

791
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: arranges the narrator arranges a scholarship for the man. Part

792
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: of the deal required the man meeting up with her

793
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: every week so that the narrator could hear his voice.

794
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: She reveals to him that she had a daughter that

795
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: played before she died, and that she can no longer paint.

796
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: He reads to her at night, including the story about

797
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: the Key Weeks and the carrot Hands. Yes, so many

798
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: of those stories. Okay, so it gets really awkward. Yeah,

799
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of awkwardness to this. Like she obviously

800
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: has feelings or at least fantasizes about him. He asks

801
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: for a day like off or to switch his days,

802
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: which she finds it very important, like she looks forward

803
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: to it. She talks about it as it is the

804
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: only thing she looks forward to. When she asked why

805
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: he wants to switch to the days, he says, it's

806
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: my girlfriend's birthday, and what she just says, no, it's

807
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: obviously upset refused to allow him to do so, lies

808
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: and says it's her birthday as well, and then does

809
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: the guilt trip and says, I may be dead for

810
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: the next one. So he shows up. They have the

811
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: day she realized like nothing big moves on, but then

812
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: later he calls to break off their partnership after receiving

813
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: a scholarship from another source, like he sends her to

814
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: the money back the letter, telling her thank you, someone

815
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: else deserves to receive this. Distraught, the woman goes for

816
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: a walk and gets lost, finding a vacant lot of refrigerators.

817
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: So she opens and finds a dead body and she

818
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: talks to him, tries to wake him up, and then

819
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: she sees herself in this thing as if it was

820
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: her dead body, and that she is dead. In her words,

821
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: she'd eaten poison plants, climbed into the fridge to die

822
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: away from prying eyes, and she says that she finds

823
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: a body. It's not until later she talks about she

824
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: sees herself and maybe she did hallucinate. But we do

825
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: know from the first story that she the mother of

826
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,479
Speaker 1: the son says the woman was distraught, could not talk. Yeah,

827
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: so we didn't mention this, but it discovered his body.

828
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: And the very first story when the woman found her

829
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: son's body in the fridge, there was a woman there

830
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: who was very upset, and the narrator described her as

831
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: looking more dead and ghosts like than her son did.

832
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming again that these stories are so good

833
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: because they make you question and like doubts kinds of things.

834
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: You were like, oh, but is it that? Is it

835
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: the same person? I was assuming it's the same person

836
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: from the beginning. But yeah, there were so many comes

837
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 1: back through again, some things that's lost in translation. It's

838
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: all weaved together by some common themes. We don't know

839
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: the timelines, obviously, because the first one would be much

840
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: later than the story she discovers the body with the refrigerators. Um,

841
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 1: we don't know if the writer had a son. Originally

842
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: in my mind of a weight was the woman from

843
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: the Baker did she have a son before she had

844
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: a stepson, and she mimicked some of the things that happened,

845
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: and it just all came into one like, so I

846
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: thought that, you, well, yeah, I really love the symmetry

847
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: and a throwback because even if I mean, I'm not

848
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: sure that there's necessarily a right answer in this case,

849
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: but even if they're you know, we're connected things that

850
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: aren't connected, that is still like a throwback. And of

851
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: course you're going to think that, and I really I

852
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting it. It was pretty satisfying. So I know

853
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: that as we've gone through these it might have been confusing.

854
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: It's hard to describe. It's like a really easy read

855
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Speaker 1: and great read. It makes sense when you're doing it.

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Speaker 1: But like how we did their best to to make

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Speaker 1: sense of these. And I just briefly want to touch

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Speaker 1: on some themes because we've been going on for a minute,

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Speaker 1: but obviously grief is one of the big ones. I thought,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of descriptions of how life

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Speaker 1: goes on after tragedy despite your whole world being upturned,

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Speaker 1: Like kind of that discordant feeling of what's going on

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Speaker 1: inside of you and what's happening and how things are

864
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Speaker 1: continuing even though what feels it like to you everything

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Speaker 1: has changed and your whole world has changed. And also

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Speaker 1: like like that speaks to how things are different beneath

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Speaker 1: the surface because a lot of these stories and a

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Speaker 1: lot of these narrators, not all of them, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of them, you start thinking you understand them one way,

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Speaker 1: and then you as you learned more about whatever grief

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Speaker 1: or trauma it is that they're experiencing, like, oh, so

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Speaker 1: there's a lot going on beneath right. There's definitely a

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Speaker 1: whole tone of death in general, whether it is tragic

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00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: or not, whether you see as tragic or not, it

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Speaker 1: just occurs. And that's kind of a catalyst on several

876
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: of these stories, and or the finale of several of

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00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: these stories. Yeah, and I think also just the like

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Speaker 1: almost impetus of yes, this death and it follows you

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Speaker 1: around and it's like a ghost. I think the flipping

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Speaker 1: of expectations that we've talked about, um, that was pretty common.

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Speaker 1: It was really interesting too, because a lot of the

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Speaker 1: like like the old woman who was in massus and

883
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: then you find out, oh, he has been probably well.

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Speaker 1: There was also an implication of like that she killed

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Speaker 1: the cat before we found the cat, like she hated

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Speaker 1: that she did so much. She was more powerful than

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Speaker 1: you thought. Um. I think she really liked that flip

888
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: as well. She also has a moment of like the

889
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: author seemingly talking about age as the real like haunt

890
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Speaker 1: of them all between the uncle and then the last story,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like all, oh, yeah, And I do

892
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Speaker 1: think it's interesting because it does get meta fictional where

893
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: you're like, are we commenting on the book that we're

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Speaker 1: reading inside of this book, which I find fascinating. And

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of elements, Like I said, it's really textural,

896
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Speaker 1: so there's a lot of elements of music are song,

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00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: and also food and food being used to represent kind

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Speaker 1: of this like easily bruised slash consumed human body like

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Speaker 1: it's often you know, implied a lot of decaying, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: a lot of decaying, a lot of like yeah, driving

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Speaker 1: over tomatoes and wondering whether let's the human body will

902
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: feel this way? You're right, yeah, And even the eating

903
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: of the kiwis, which is like right, it wasn't necessarily

904
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Speaker 1: described in a disgusting way, but it just felt unnerved

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Speaker 1: by it. Well, it was, yeah, because it was a

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00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: duty without thought. And then there was the same thing

907
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Speaker 1: in that same story when she and her father are

908
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: aiding constantly just to pass the time, to move past

909
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Speaker 1: that moment. It's like to the point of like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's an interesting take on this. The carrots. Yeah, was

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Speaker 1: that an actual hand? We don't know, We don't know,

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Speaker 1: She kept saying, pinky. I was like, why do you

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Speaker 1: have to say that, you know? Yeah, Yeah, I really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I feel like horror. I really recommend it,

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Speaker 1: and it was fun. I enjoyed the picking up of clues.

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Speaker 1: I do like doing stuff like that so fun. I

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Speaker 1: love anything that connects. Yes, it feels it feels like

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Speaker 1: huh and then you're guessing. But it's really hard impossible

919
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Speaker 1: to guess a lot of times. But so we recommend

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Speaker 1: you check it out if you haven't already and you're interested.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, if you have any other recommendations for

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