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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with IR Radio. We are energized, we are excited. It's

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Speaker 1: the almost in his podcast, I'm Ben, what up, ash Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm good? How are you? I didn't ask if you're

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Speaker 1: okay or not. I was gonna ask you know what

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Speaker 1: I was gonna do, Ashley, why is it that you

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Speaker 1: want to go back home to Virginia for isolation? Because

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Speaker 1: I wanted to spend the time with my family. I

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Speaker 1: wasn't going to have anything else to do, so it

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Speaker 1: would be such a waste. I felt. If I wasn't

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Speaker 1: with my family, you and Jared might be producing the

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Speaker 1: best and most well produced TikTok content that there is

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Speaker 1: out there right now. That is such a nice compliment.

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Speaker 1: We are trying. How much time does it take you

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Speaker 1: in the course of it? Like I've always wondered this.

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Speaker 1: So we have the Tyler camerons of the world, and

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Speaker 1: you have the hand of browns uh, and we have

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Speaker 1: others in Batchelor Nation really kind of all over that

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Speaker 1: are feels like from an outsiders perspective perspective, Wow, they

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Speaker 1: must spend hours a day producing content. Ashley. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: watch your content. I'm I'm always amazed at how well

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Speaker 1: it comes out. How long does it take you to

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Speaker 1: make something like that happen? And then, in the same right,

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Speaker 1: how long do you think it takes the Tyler Cameron's

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Speaker 1: of the world to do what he's doing. It probably

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Speaker 1: takes about the same amount of time we put. We

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Speaker 1: put a little more thought into it. But how many hours?

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Speaker 1: Like when how many hours of your bet? It's really

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Speaker 1: not that much. When we do those musical productions that

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Speaker 1: we did on Instagram, those take about an hour each,

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Speaker 1: maybe an hour to film and then an hour for

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Speaker 1: Jared to edit. But TikTok's they're pretty easy because the

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Speaker 1: editing is right there in the app, So maybe fifteen

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Speaker 1: minutes to film. And yeah, insane, really like, you guys

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Speaker 1: are really good at that. I'm impressed. And for a

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Speaker 1: little pop culture crazy people. We love pop culture, So

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Speaker 1: if we get to imitate our favorites, we love that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well it's fun to watch the content is being pushed

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Speaker 1: out like crazy right now. Well, hey, I guess we

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Speaker 1: should just probably jump into it, Ashley, A lot is

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Speaker 1: still happening. Embassadation. I don't know how. I don't get it,

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Speaker 1: Like it doesn't make any sense to me that we

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Speaker 1: list of hot topics to still to discuss every week.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's it's unbelievable. Like, thank goodness that this

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Speaker 1: season continues off air because who knows, and we'll be

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Speaker 1: back in season. So thank you, Peter Weber season for

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Speaker 1: continuing to crank out the drama. Can I just say

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Speaker 1: something before we move on from TikTok it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: out blonde. No, I can't believe some of the cringe

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Speaker 1: content out there. And sure you can call Jared and

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Speaker 1: my content cringe, I suppose, but it's actually insane how

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Speaker 1: basic it gets Yeah, look at my content. My content

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Speaker 1: we did it all right. Philip, which is her brother,

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Speaker 1: There's no science to it. Really, it's a whole new world.

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Speaker 1: It's a playground that I hope I play in for

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Speaker 1: where we'll start Bachelor News. It's now time for Bachelor

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Speaker 1: News again. We're gonna give some updates that have happened

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Speaker 1: take one break, Ashley. When we come back, we'll fill

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Speaker 1: Right now, we'll back first hot topic, the Bachelor's Peter Webber.

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Speaker 1: If you've forgotten, yes, he was your last Bachelor. Cheers

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Speaker 1: on girls that still like me? After drama with Xes,

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Speaker 1: Madison and Hannah and Ashley, what do we got going on? Okay,

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Speaker 1: top of Um, Maddie going on Caitlin's podcast this week

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Speaker 1: And she said, with our x L O L. So

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Speaker 1: the biggest scoop I got from Yeah Yeah, and the

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Speaker 1: biggest scoop you get from Caitlin's podcast shameless plug her

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Speaker 1: off the Vine is that they Maddie seems the most

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Speaker 1: I'm really it's this this whole like Peter thing right

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Speaker 1: I don't understand the Himelnes. Do you get the timelines

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Speaker 1: of how everything has gone down? Well? That was another

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Speaker 1: part of Caitlin's podcast. Um Maddie says that there is

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Speaker 1: I I do believe Maddie has something when she says

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Speaker 1: But in my personal view of it, all seems like

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Speaker 1: the friendship break between Maddie and Kelly. It's uh, it

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Speaker 1: Next story, Hey, our next bachelorette Bachelor Nation is Claire Crawley.

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Speaker 1: Claire Crawley slammed, yes, slammed, for shading Bachelorette contestant Matt James.

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Speaker 1: And when I say slammed, the reaction to Claire has not,

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Speaker 1: reading through comments today. Ashley, why is she being hated

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Speaker 1: Brown and Tyler Cameron are sure to reconnect after spending

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Speaker 1: Bachelorette contestant BF Matt James exclusively tells Life and Style

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Speaker 1: it says, quote, we will all connect again eventually unquote.

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Speaker 1: The soon to be contestant on Claire Crawley season says

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Speaker 1: while promoting n EOU Fitnesses twelve Hour thon benefiting Operation

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Speaker 1: I can't can't get on them for that. Another headline

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Speaker 1: says exclusive new Quarantine crew Tyler sees BFF Matt James

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Speaker 1: is quote happy for Peter Webber and Kelly's TikTok videos.

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Speaker 1: The more the merrier. The body of the paragraph says

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Speaker 1: Peter Webber and Kelly Flanagan. Um. He goes on to

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Speaker 1: say Matt thinks that the reality stars are amplifying a

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Speaker 1: positive message. He exclusively tells Life and Style again. I

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Speaker 1: can see Claire getting a little annoyed with the amount

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Speaker 1: Last headline that I found was on April two. Headline

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Speaker 1: says Matt James is looking forward to meeting bachelor at

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Speaker 1: Claire Crawley post quarantine. Quote. I've been very patient. The

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Speaker 1: body of the paragraph reads, waiting for his love story.

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Speaker 1: Matt James is still eager to compete for Claire Crawley's

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Speaker 1: in production caused by the coronavirus. Here's his quote. I've

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Speaker 1: been patient up until this point. There's a young woman

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Speaker 1: our daily lives moving forward. Basically, after a couple exclusive

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Speaker 1: chats with entertainment magazines, I can see why Claire, an

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Speaker 1: time without TikTok and at a time without Instagram, how

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Speaker 1: might not be for everybody. I get it. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying it should. All I know is that for Jessica

429
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: and I, um, it's been healthy and it's been great,

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Speaker 1: and we're really excited for what the future holds. I mean,

431
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: it's worked so far. We're happily engaged, having a great

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00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: time being engaged. Um. But yeah, that's that's the clarity there. Uh,

433
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: it was everywhere this week. Holy cow, nothing nothing is

434
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: more awkward than uh than having to call your your

435
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: future in laws being like, hey, I'm sorry. Well hey,

436
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: at least your future in laws are hearing that there's

437
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: nothing going on better than the opposite, right, Hey, Actually

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00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: that's the headlines of this week. We as we said,

439
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: we did have a lot, a lot to break down there.

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00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: Please write us at Ben and Ashley at I heart

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00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: media dot com with your opinions or just hey, you

442
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: can just hashtag the almost Famous podcast on Twitter or

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Speaker 1: Instagram anything you're thinking kinder nice. Please also go to

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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to podcast and give us a review

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Speaker 1: a comment if you appreciate what Ashley and I are

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Speaker 1: doing along with I Heart Team. We would love to

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00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: hear from you and to get some feedback, so please

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Speaker 1: rate us, review us. Actually, we'll take one more break

449
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: when we come back, we're gonna break down this week's

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Speaker 1: episode of Listen to Your Heart. We're back with another

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00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: week of The Bachelor Presents Listen to your Heart. Like

452
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: the show or not, it is The Bachelor Presents and

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00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: as a result, the Almost Famous podcast is gonna be

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00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: breaking it down now. This week's episode, we're gonna fly

455
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: through it because we do have a very special guest

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00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: who I'm very interested to talk to and I know

457
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: Ashley is as well. Uh, Savannah from the show will

458
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: be coming on after we break it down to discuss

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Speaker 1: everything Listen to Your Heart. But before we bring Savannah,

460
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: and we're gonna bring producer tore On, who is a

461
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: massive fan of The Bachelor Presents Listen to Your Heart.

462
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: She freaks out every week over the episodes. She can't

463
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: say enough great things about it. Her heart is in

464
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: it and she's listening Tori, how you doing? I can't

465
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: get enough of it? Then? UM, all right, so Ashley,

466
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: you're really good at breaking these down. I am not,

467
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: because I will say this from the top. I like

468
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: the contestants and I enjoy hearing their stories. I am

469
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: not a fan of this show, and I'll tell you why.

470
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm watching okay, and you guys

471
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: can maybe explain it to me. I don't know if

472
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm really there for the love stories. It feels like

473
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: the love stories are kind of forced, like you need

474
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: to choose your partner now and and what you know,

475
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: and then love will come if you can sing together. Well,

476
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: here's the truth. I have dated people who can sing

477
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: really well, and I don't think me singing well had

478
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: anything to do with our success or failure at any moment.

479
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna sit back. I'm gonna let you too

480
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: take it from here. I'll chime in when I can

481
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 1: prove to me on why I should be so invested

482
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: in this thing. Ben, Now that you give me such

483
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: like you make this show have so much depth, I

484
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: don't know if I can really give you an answer.

485
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: I think it's just entertainment. That's why you're watching. It's

486
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: just supposed to be entertaining story. Is that why you watch?

487
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: Is it entertaining to you? Or you in it? I'm

488
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: kind of in it. And I always got these character

489
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: developments where I mean, there's a there's Brie and Chris

490
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: and she was like previously in gig before and that

491
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: whole wedding it didn't happen, and now you're kind of

492
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: like rooting for that. I say, Brie and Chris seems

493
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: to be the only couple that I see getting out

494
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: of this show still as a couple. Wait, why not

495
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: Trevor and Jamie Um. I just feel like he's probably

496
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: gonna pull one of his usual things. He's not going

497
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: to be able to commit like um long distance, and

498
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: she's so young. I just feel like there's not a

499
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: stability there in their relationship. They have a really sweet,

500
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: like summer crush. I don't really know that they have

501
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: like what it takes to go to long haul. I'm

502
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: laughing at the fact that it sounds like you've known

503
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: Trevor for years, because you're like, he's gonna go do

504
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: the same thing it always does. Well, we know that

505
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: Trevor has a sketchy background. As we learned last week,

506
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: he has emotionally cheated in the past. I think there's

507
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: been multiple girls. It was definitely like a fleeting topic.

508
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: You know, they tease it up and then it was like, Oh,

509
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: I emotionally cheated, but I'm going to be here for you.

510
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 1: It's interesting to think about how that would have been

511
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: a way bigger narrative if this was on The Bachelor,

512
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: and that listen to your heart is allowing it to

513
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: be seen almost like you sympathize with him that he

514
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: was really struggling and didn't speak up in that relationship

515
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: and you must feel more connected to him the Jed

516
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: and that didn't help work well for him. You know,

517
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: it felt like that was the worst thing you could

518
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 1: have ever done. But with Trevor, you're really really are

519
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, I get it. You just you

520
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: wanted to leave her, but you didn't. Well. With Jed,

521
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: it was something that was currently supposedly still going on,

522
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: and then with Trevor, it seems like it's a relationship

523
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: in his past. That's the difference. Well, let cut in

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00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: here then, uh, let's break down this week's episode. Uh.

525
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: Tori do you mind staying on for that because I

526
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: have a feeling that my opinions. I mean, I'll be

527
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: as honest as possible and you, guys, I want you

528
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: to convince me otherwise. I was interested the first week,

529
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: questionable the second week, and at now the third week

530
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: hits and I'm like, I'm gonna keep watching because I'm

531
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: in it already, Like I'm I'm far because I have

532
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: a podcast, well, because I have a podcast. And it's

533
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: kind of like a bad season of the Bachelor or Bachelor.

534
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: It's like, you can't stop now, like I gotta see

535
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: if these things work out or not or got wins.

536
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: It's just I'm in it now, but I'm still not

537
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: convinced and I'm not sold on. I guess I'm not going.

538
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: Oh man, I can't wait till next week. And that's

539
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: typically how I judge good shows or not, like Ozark's

540
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: can't wait to watch it four episodes tomorrow night, listen

541
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: to your heart. Well, I can take a few weeks off. Anyways. Hey,

542
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: let's start here. We're gonna start with the very first

543
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: part of this episode. We'll run through it. Ashley. How

544
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: about you lead Tor and me through this it's gonna

545
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: be Brandon, uh is split between Julia and Savannah. Savanna

546
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: will be coming on in a second take it away. Yeah,

547
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: so you know, Brandon gave Savannah his rose, but then

548
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: kind of comes up to Julian says, hey, I wanted

549
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: her to stick around. I knew you'd be sticking around

550
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: because you'd be getting Sheridan's rose. And I just want

551
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: you to know that just because I gave her rose

552
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that like I'm I'm stuck on her, like

553
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a real relationship. I'm still feeling

554
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: things out between the two of you. Uh. Fast forward,

555
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: we see Brandon and Savannah pretty much couple up as

556
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: soon as Gabe pulls Savannah aside and she goes, nah,

557
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: it's not it's not gonna be. You can't can't go

558
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: forward with you. Um. But then so then you know,

559
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: Savannah's single and on the verge of leaving the house

560
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: because Chris Harrison says, you must couple up. The people

561
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: that you're gonna be with now are the people that

562
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: you're going to be performing with and going forward with

563
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: in this competition. Uh So, then all of a sudden,

564
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: Brandon quickly chooses Savannah, and Julia gets coupled up with

565
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: Sheridan by what seems like default, because she definitely seems

566
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: to have Brandon on the mind more than Sheridan. She

567
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: definitely like thinks that Sheridan is probably the better option.

568
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: He really loves her, really cares about her, or maybe

569
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: not love, but you know he's he's all in right,

570
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: He's the safe option, the sweet guy that you want

571
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: to be into. But you know that you are feeling

572
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: more pulled towards the bad boy in the situation, which

573
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: is probably Brandon. So let me put you off there then,

574
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: because I think there's a lot going on. Uh. We

575
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: were going to bring her on afterwards, but because this

576
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: starts out so much with the Savannah talk, let's just

577
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: bring Savannah in now. Yeah. Well, hey Savannah, it's great

578
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: to have you on. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks

579
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: for having me at. Good to see you guys. So

580
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: we were just going over all the gossip of episode three.

581
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: I've listened to your heart. Gabe comes to you early

582
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: in the episode and says, hey, I'm into you, and

583
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: you were super honest with him and you're like, I'm

584
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: not really into you, leaving you with what you thought

585
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: was no options, but then all of a sudden, Brandon

586
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: comes around and says, yeah, like, uh, I want to

587
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: choose you over Julia, and he just keeps going back

588
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: and forth, back and forth. What what? What was your thoughts?

589
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: Why did you think that he had to quick turn

590
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: around because earlier in the morning he was telling Julia

591
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: that he wanted to explore that. Fast forward a couple

592
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: of hours and he was quote unquote committed to you, right.

593
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: I think episode three has been really interesting to watch

594
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: back because you have to remember that I only have

595
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: my perspective and what I've been told with my relationship

596
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: with Brandon, So I didn't know about the conversation before.

597
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: All I knew was when Brandon and I had our moment.

598
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: I've been saying, Hey, I want to do this with you.

599
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: I just trusted that and I was like, hey, it's

600
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: me and you. Um. He hadn't really mentioned too much

601
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: about the whole Julia situation, so at this point I'm

602
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: just like, hey, I've told you that I am kind

603
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: of uncertain of what this is and it's time to

604
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: go whatever I said, and he's like, We're going to

605
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: do this, and it's it's me and you. So I

606
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: thought that that was really solid. I didn't really realize

607
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: that there was another conversation that happened just before it. Okay,

608
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: but then you and Julia were also talking before the

609
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: couples were officially chosen, and she was telling you, yeah, um,

610
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm still kind of set on Brandon, and You're like,

611
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: oh damn. I didn't know that that was still a thing.

612
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: So how do you think that you went from that

613
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: to being coupled up with Brandon? So I have to

614
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: remember back to all of it. Um. So I think

615
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: that conversation with Julia, she had just told me about

616
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: their conversations, and again I'm just like, hey, I'm I'm

617
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: doing this thing with Brandon, And that was really where

618
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: my mind was, um. And so I was a little

619
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: bit shocked whenever Julia had mentioned, um that there's conversations

620
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: going down between the two of them. But again, in

621
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: the height of the moment, I think Brandon had just

622
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: told me, Hey, we're gonna do this, and I believed

623
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: him and I trusted him and was like, Okay, it's

624
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: just it's me and you and we're just we're going

625
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: to do this thing. Um. And so in my mind

626
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: that was set and solid, and it was like everything

627
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: else is off the table and it's just me and

628
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: you got you. So then later in the episode, Julia

629
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: becomes such a drama queen and it's seemingly so jealous

630
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: of you. She keeps calling you out on not having

631
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: genuine feelings towards Brandon, saying that you were moving too

632
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: fast for somebody who normally says that they don't move

633
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: fast in a relationship. And she was like, I don't

634
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: have any failings or Brandon anymore. This is just an

635
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: issue that I'm having with you. What was going on?

636
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: It's a girl, don't lie to yourself. You keep going

637
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: back and forth. She's like, I'm still thinking about Brandon.

638
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: I have absolutely no feelings about Brandon. I still was

639
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: feeling like this is not right with Sheridan, and I

640
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: keep thinking about Brandon. And then it was like I

641
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: got nothing just issues with you, Savannah, right right. So

642
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: my my response to that is like, hey, if you

643
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: really don't have feelings for him, then this is this

644
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: conversation doesn't need to be happening. So it's kind of

645
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: reading between the lines of that of like, Okay, well,

646
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: I can tell that you're upset I can tell that

647
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: there are obviously feelings there. So I think in those conversations,

648
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are we trying to get at because again,

649
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: like I've been trying to do my thing and I'm

650
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: staying out of all of your drama and all everything

651
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: that's going on there, and so um that it was

652
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: just it was frustrating to think that, Okay, you're handling

653
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: your relationship with Sheridan, and then you're feelings with Brandon.

654
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: You're telling me you don't have feelings for him and

655
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: almost speaking down about him, and that you know, at

656
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I'm just like, whatever you

657
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: guys have dealt with, you're going to deal with it.

658
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: That's fine. But if somebody tells me that, hey, I'm

659
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: choosing you, I'm gonna take you at your word unless

660
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: you give me a reason to not trust you. Um

661
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: And at that point, when he had told me like, hey,

662
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: it's me and you, I forgot about the conversation with Juliet.

663
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that's done, that's settled, you've handled that.

664
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: We're moving forward from here. So then she was also like,

665
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: you're being disingenuous. But then she goes on that stage

666
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: at the end of the episode performs amazingly. It was

667
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: Sheridan apparently is like the best actress ever. Um so

668
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: who's being disingenuous? Now? I think, honestly, this is what

669
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: I believe. I really believe she was being authentically herself

670
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: in that conversation, because is I really think that she

671
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: couldn't figure it out. I mean, if you think about it,

672
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: it's like she put herself in this situation where she's like,

673
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: she goes on this amazing date with Sheridan, right, and

674
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: then immediately comes back when we see that when she

675
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: finds out the brand and I went on the date,

676
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: She's distraught and then leaves the room because she's so upset.

677
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: And so I think that Julia was just always in

678
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: this situation where she's being pulled into directions and I

679
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: don't know what was going on in her head, But

680
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: whenever we had that conversation, I think she actually was

681
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: like trying to figure out her stance here and maybe

682
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: trying to look for a problem with me to call

683
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: me out so that that clears up her feelings for Brandon.

684
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't know where I fit into all of that,

685
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: but I think attacking my character was a little low um,

686
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: especially since, like I said, I'm like, I've only been

687
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: nice to you, Like I thought that we were friends.

688
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: I thought that we were good. So all of this

689
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: coming out and all this animosity and you're questioning me,

690
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: and it was just so dramatic. It was so incredibly dramatic,

691
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, so do we have do we

692
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: have a resolve to this conversation? It was none. It

693
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: was more so just calling me out, to call me out,

694
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: to make me feel bad. I'm like, well, I'm not.

695
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't because I know who I am and I

696
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: know what I'm here to do, and I know what

697
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 1: my relationship looks like. I don't know why that should

698
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: affect you. That's that's my my question coming out of

699
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: this is you know, Savannah, what do you think? And

700
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: this isn't like a we didn't bring you on to

701
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: talk about Julia, but there is a larger thing at

702
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: play here where your storyline with Julia affects so much

703
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: of this episode. What was her ideal outcome from having

704
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: that conversation with you? Like, right now, as we're fans

705
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: of the show, I'm confused on what Julia really wants.

706
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: Does she want Sheridan. Is she interested in pursuing that?

707
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: Is that really something real that She's like, I'm I'm

708
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: excited about Is it too? Have you leave? Like? Is

709
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: is her outcome to say, hey, Savannah, please walk out

710
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: that door because I just want this to be my territory?

711
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: Is it? Like? What what is she saying to you? Ben?

712
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know, and I think I'm with

713
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: you and wondering the same thing. And that's when I

714
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: sat down she started the conversation with I was going

715
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: to leave because of you. You would think that there

716
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: if it got if it was that intense and that

717
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: serious of an issue with me, that we would have

718
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: had a conversation. I would have had an inkling towards

719
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: there being a problem, And so that blindsided me. And

720
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: so I don't. I really don't know. And that's what

721
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: I asked her. I'm like, Okay, so what are we

722
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: trying to get at? Because typically if you have an issue,

723
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: you come to a person either saying, hey, you're behaving

724
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: in this way and I think it's hurting you. So

725
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: as a friend, maybe we go this direction, or there's

726
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: some sort of a resolve um to come at the

727
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,959
Speaker 1: end of it, and so to me, I'm like, Okay,

728
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: we're bringing up your opinion of me that you're blatantly

729
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: telling me you think very poorly of me, But anything

730
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: I have to say in response to it, you have

731
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: no rebuttal to, and then just keep saying that I'm disingenuous.

732
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: So I think there's the issue of her and Sheridan,

733
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: then there's the issue of her and Brandon, and then

734
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: suddenly one with me. And at the end of the day,

735
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: I think if even if I would have walked out

736
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: the door, I don't know if that would have made

737
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: her decision any easier, any different. Um. But again, it's

738
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: not like I was trying to be this mean girl

739
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: walking in and all of our relationship, it was just like, Hey,

740
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: this is my journey, this is what I'm here to do,

741
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: and I have a connection with Brandon. I'm here to

742
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: find love. I'm here to partner with somebody in music

743
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: and love, and this is my person and thus far,

744
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: he's chosen me every single time publicly that we've seen.

745
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, I can't help you. You and

746
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: Brandon seemed to actually have pretty good chemistry in the house.

747
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: Why do you feel like the judges didn't think it

748
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: translated to the stage. I think because first of all,

749
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: the song that we were given was very upbeat. So

750
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: if you look at all the other performances, there was

751
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: a lot of these like UM, very like slow, sultry

752
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: and very romantic songs. Then you look at our song

753
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: and it was more upbeat, it was more rocky, it

754
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: was more fun UM. And so something that Brandon and

755
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: I talked about going into the performance was, hey, um,

756
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: this one actually kind of captures the mood behind our

757
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: relationship better than anything, because we are fun loving, we're

758
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: outgoing or very like loud people, UM, and we just

759
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: like to have a good time, and so that actually

760
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: embodies our relationship really well. So going on to that stage,

761
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: we knew, hey, we have to do a really good

762
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: job above and beyond to be connected on that stage.

763
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: But it's also really important to us to engage the

764
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: crowd and to engage UM listeners to as performers. So

765
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: he and I had to get on the same page

766
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: before even going up on that stage and knowing that, hey,

767
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: we've been given a challenging song, so let's connect the

768
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: best that we can, but also show off the personality

769
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: UM of our relationship and that was just like fun. UM.

770
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: So I know that came back in the responses from

771
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: the judges of hey, how do you feel about each other?

772
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: How this and that until we are able to verbalize that.

773
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: But I think that our performance really did capture who

774
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: we were at that time, Like, as a couple, who

775
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: chooses the songs? We were given the songs? So do

776
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: you think that possibly certain songs are given to certain

777
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: couples and certain songs are given to other couples to

778
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: either propel you forward or make you fail. I think

779
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: that all the songs given we're just unique. I think

780
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: all of them are love songs, but they each had

781
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: unique twist to them, and so part of that challenge. UM.

782
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: Even going onto the show, it's like we know, we

783
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: know that we're going to be challenged in a lot

784
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: of ways, and one of those is the communication, um

785
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: with your partner and then figuring out how to knowing

786
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: that the judges are judging based on your connectivity and

787
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: based on your love. UM. I think any of the

788
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,959
Speaker 1: songs had their own set of challenges, are just looked

789
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: a little bit differently. UM. And actually what the judges

790
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: said was something we said beforehand of Hey, they might

791
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: say this, but we have to be okay with knowing

792
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: that we put it all out there. Well, thank you

793
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: so much for coming on, Savannah. This is actually gave

794
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: so much clarity to our recap. I have one more question, Ben,

795
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: you have anything, Yeah, definitely, so Savannah, Um, how important

796
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: is it to have a connection musically, Uh, in a

797
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: romantic relationship? Oh my gosh. There musicians everything. It's I mean,

798
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: it's everything. I think if you're not a musician, it's

799
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: hard to understand. But there there is something that happens

800
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: whenever you really connect over your music, whether that is

801
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: like the same kind of music you like listening to.

802
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: But then it's so amplified whenever you're on stage and

803
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: you have to perform with someone, because it's like all

804
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: of your communication, all of your emotions, all your feelings,

805
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: everything you abdore about that person is amplified when they

806
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: open their mouth and they sound wonderful and you see

807
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: them move and operate in their element, and when you

808
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: are kind of in that same environment and you love

809
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: it so much, it's like you look at each other

810
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: and you're like, we're really doing this and I love that.

811
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm doing it with you, and so it's huge. Give

812
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: us My final question for you before I actually finished

813
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: you up here, is um, what was it like being

814
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: in this experience? This is the first time ever for

815
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: this show. You're just explaining how important it is to

816
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: have that connection not only musically but also romantically m

817
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: in my life. Maybe because I'm not a musician, I've

818
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: never been given the opportunity to connect musically with somebody else.

819
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: That's what this whole show is. What was it like?

820
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it was amazing, it really was. I think

821
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: that Listen to your Heart was really, um, such a

822
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: genius idea and that's why I committed to going onto

823
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: it because it's it's fifty percent music and it's fifty

824
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: percent love and UM, I think it's just electric whenever

825
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 1: you can walk into a room. I mean, we walked

826
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: into this mansion, right and we don't know anybody, and

827
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: having watched other Bachelor's show os and knowing how it

828
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: all goes down, it's mostly just relationship relationship. UM, and

829
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: this one was so cool because you're meeting all of

830
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: these amazing musicians, but then you're attracted to them, and

831
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: then you know that you have the opportunity to go

832
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: deeper with them through music. UM. And so it was amazing,

833
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: Like it was passionate. It was amazing, It was electric.

834
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: And I think everything that went on in that house

835
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: was genuine, Like everything that we see and everything we experienced,

836
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: like really happened. Um, all the years, all the laughter,

837
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean everything, UM, and the fact that we all

838
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: just are passionate about music and passionate about each other

839
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: in relationships, it just amplifies it all. Thank you. And

840
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: the scenes from the next episode we see, uh, Julia

841
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: and Brandon together looks like they could be rekindling something.

842
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: Can you tease anything good? I'm just gonna have to

843
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: watch watch episode and forward to find out because there's

844
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: a lot. There's a lot, but you'll definitely have to watch. Okay, fine,

845
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 1: follow up question, would you ever see anything with Sheridan

846
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: if you guys did swap partners? Oh my gosh, listen

847
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: to your heart meet's wife swap. Can you imagine? Oh

848
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: my gosh, Sheridan and I are so I love him.

849
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: He and I are very close. UM, but I don't

850
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. See, I was talking to someone the

851
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: other day about this, Um, Sheridan and I actually spent

852
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: so much time while we were filming because of everything

853
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: that now we know is going down with like Brandon

854
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: and Julia. But there was more times than not than

855
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: we would that we would find each other just sitting

856
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: there and he'd be strumming his guitar and I would

857
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: just be sitting there like, well, do you want to

858
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: sing a song? And so he and I actually bonded

859
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: so much, and I adore him. He's so talented, so

860
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: wonderful um and such an amazing guy. So never saying

861
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: another Sheridan, I just love him. He seems so sweet

862
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: from the show. He's definitely one of my favorite characters characters.

863
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: You all right, thank you so much, Savannah gret getting

864
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: to know you more. Yes, you as well, thank you

865
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: for having me. I appreciate it. Guys. Alright, Ben Tory,

866
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: let's get to the other topics of the episode besides

867
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: Savannah and Brandon and Julia, which did dominate the episode,

868
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: but we also need to talk about the fact that

869
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: the first day card went Tobecca and Danny and they

870
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: had absolutely no chemistry at all, and of course we're

871
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:42,479
Speaker 1: eliminated at the end of the episode none. Poor guy

872
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: when she pushed away his face at the end. It

873
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: was it was just hard to watch, Tori, What did

874
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: you think? Well, you think that I don't know. People

875
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: are questioning like are they here for the right reasons?

876
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: But it really shows you you can't think your feelings.

877
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of like a spect her for being

878
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: like I could act like I'm gonna kiss you and

879
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: really like you right now to stay, or I'm gonna

880
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: be kind of honest and know that I'm just not

881
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: that into you, and it's probably translated through the performance

882
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: and it is what it is. Yeah, right, And I

883
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: think it was obvious because those two hadn't been getting

884
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: no airtime. I was like, yeah, we're going to eliminate

885
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: them real quick. He's so cute though, who what you

886
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: think they're cute? He's so cute. Yeah, he's very very cute,

887
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: very sweet. Yeah. That's how I like to be explained.

888
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: When the girl goes, Ben, you're so cute, and the

889
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: girl next year goes, I mean he's He's like, yeah,

890
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: he's sweet. Okay, alright. Moving on day card number two

891
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: with Ryan and Natasha. I all you guys know, I

892
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: love Ryan, but I don't really feel any chemistry of

893
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: theirs until they're on stage. So I thought their date

894
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: was just like spark free. Don't get them, don't feel

895
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: any sort of like mental connection. But when they did

896
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: hit the stage, they're able to like sex it up.

897
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: You agree, Yeah, that performance was like captivating. Yeah, that

898
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: was a good performance to really talented people there. And

899
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: I agree with what the judges said that she just

900
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: blew him out of the water. But the thing was,

901
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: I think I think that he wasn't able to belt

902
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: he he wasn't really able to show all these got there, right?

903
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: Do you if you could predict this, who do you

904
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: think is more and like the other person? Like, who

905
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: do you think likes each other more? I think he's

906
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: more into her, she's more into him. I think that

907
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: he's like, Wow, I've never gotten a girl like this

908
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: Vava Boom before. And then I think she's like, he's

909
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: one of the most talented guys in the house and

910
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be paired with him. Oh, so you

911
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: think it's equal. I think it might be in a

912
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: way equal. I don't think either of them from watching it,

913
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: I really don't think either of them would claim I'm

914
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: just putting word to their mouth. But I don't think

915
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: either of them would claim that they're going to have

916
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: like a marriage or romantic relationship after this. I think

917
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 1: they're like, this makes sense. We're into each other, we're

918
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: good partners, we like our time together. We're both pretty talented.

919
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: You're hot, I'm hot. Let's just make this thing happen. Agree. Agree?

920
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: Any other standout performances in your opinions? Because I got one, Uh,

921
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: Jamie and Trevor. Jamie and Trevor. That was cute, very cute.

922
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: I also don't think they're powerhouses vocally, but she said

923
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 1: that she's falling in love with him when she starts

924
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: seeing him on stage. She's like, I think I love

925
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: him when I see him performing on stage. Ben, I

926
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: feel like you think he's a player. I mean, I

927
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 1: just know I can't say that. As much as there,

928
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: it is weird to me that we skimmed over this

929
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: whole like emotional cheating things so quickly, Like I don't

930
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: know how that ended. I'm still confused on where we

931
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: we got there. And even if he was a player, musically,

932
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: I think they did well. I mean, he has that

933
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: thing on stage. I will say this Trevor, out of anybody,

934
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: had the most swagger on stage. He felt like he

935
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: had the most confidence. There was a moment where he

936
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: was singing and he like delivered a line and like

937
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: the perfect timing with a little smile, and it's like,

938
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: I get it now. I had never got it until now.

939
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: Player not he has something with him on stage. It

940
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: makes him work. I'm gonna say, I think it's Chris

941
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: and Bree. Is it that that I really think just

942
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: destroyed things. Chris is so good, he's so talented, so

943
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: much better than what they did on that date. I

944
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: thought after their date together, I was like, oh, this

945
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: is gonna be rough on stage and not at all,

946
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: so much better. I agree with what the what the

947
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: judges said, though it seemed like she didn't know how

948
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: to play to him and play to the audience at

949
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: the same time. Fair I mean, yeah, and I'm sure

950
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: that comes with Pratt This right, Tori, for sure? I

951
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: think that it's also I'm giggling just because I think

952
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: he's so much better than her. Okay, That's what I

953
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: was basically saying to So it's like it's hard to

954
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: watch it because you're almost like it's like, you know,

955
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: I just want him to be with an equal as

956
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: far as skill goes. She's very talented. It's just like

957
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: he's so amazing, He's so good. I was exactly on Bridges. Yeah.

958
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: I also have a soft spot for Matt and Ruby

959
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: Rudy Rudy. I love Rudy. She's so real, and they

960
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: were just cute, had nice chemistry. It just felt easy

961
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: breezy for me. You're right, that was a really good performance,

962
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: and I loved how Matt took a step back and

963
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: really let her just saying, I mean, obviously she's really good,

964
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: but you could see he wasn't trying to compete. It

965
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: wasn't like a Chris and bree where they weren't trying

966
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: to compete, but they just couldn't sync up. Like Matt

967
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: single handedly just took a step back and was like,

968
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna strom the guitar and you sing girl. Now.

969
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: The couple that I was most surprised about their on

970
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: stage chemistry was Sheridan and Julia. I thought they killed it. Yes,

971
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: they sing a Backshop Boys song. Of course I'm gonna

972
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: like the Backshep Boys performance. But they were so amazing

973
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: and she really seemed into him, and I'm like, oh,

974
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: not only is this girl singer, she also maybe an actress.

975
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I felt very different, really mm hmmm why.

976
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: I feel like she was almost trying to prove a

977
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: point so much to Savannah that she was like, I'm

978
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: just gonna give it my all the starden but like

979
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: she doesn't have anything to give. But it still just

980
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: like it did. But I didn't think that was like

981
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: a standout performance because it just felt very forced to

982
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: take me. Okay, all right, any comments about are amazing

983
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: judges this week? You know our friends Jojo Fletcher and

984
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: Jordan Rodgers and Kesha and Jason Mraz. I'm I mean,

985
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm always a Jordan and Jojo fan. I think they're

986
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: both great. I love them and I love them as

987
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: a couple. They're really good on camera. Uh, they were

988
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: very spot on when it comes to analyzing connection. And

989
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: Jayson Murraz is one of my favorite artists of all time.

990
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that guy has serenaded me through good and bad.

991
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm honestly like I was, just I was

992
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: a huge fan of having them on there. You know what,

993
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: I made it better though? What if the Kesha and

994
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: Jason Murraz did a duet to to show them how

995
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: it's done. Hey, Ben, is it kind of weird that

996
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: Jojo and Lauren we're in the same episode. Yeah, I

997
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: was watching. I was like, oh man, this is this,

998
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: this is a power play for me. I'm watching them

999
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: like gosh thing and like not only am I like

1000
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: not fully sold out on the show yet, but I

1001
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: gotta watch it and see this like what a day?

1002
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: Um No, it's fine. I mean, I uh, what are

1003
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: you gonna do? It's it's where where This is part

1004
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: of living in this world, right, Sometimes you just gotta

1005
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: get back into it and see see them all over again.

1006
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: You guys have all found your partner in life though,

1007
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: so right for everyone, we're all doing good. But yes,

1008
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: that's a that was a that was ironic. I cannot

1009
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: believe that that's the way that played out. But it's

1010
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: pretty funny. But you know what I was actually shocked

1011
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: is like the Chris and Lauren thing, Like you didn't

1012
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: see very much of it. I'm surprised that it was

1013
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: so quickly, so quickly came and gone, like I thought

1014
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: they would be around a little bit longer. And I

1015
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: mean they should have like made sense for him too. Yeah,

1016
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: you're right, all right to finalize the episode. Uh here

1017
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: where the performances Matt and Ruby, Ashley, as I say,

1018
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: these just given an A, B, C, D E or

1019
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: the chemistry test. See how I added E in there.

1020
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: I don't even mean to, it just happened. Yeah, overall performance,

1021
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: chemistry and music. Uh, Matt and Ruby A to F.

1022
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: I think A, Hey, Brian, Chris B plus he gets

1023
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: an A. Becca and Danny, d WO Savannah and Brandon,

1024
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: Savannah and Brandon and get a B. Julia and Sheridan A,

1025
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: Natasha and Ryan, Jamie and Trevor. I'll go with an

1026
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: A minus there. Well, Uh, Ashley, obviously you've seen the episode,

1027
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: so this is easy for you. But Becca and Danny

1028
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: were sent home at the end of the episode, leaving

1029
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: the couples that were mentioned before outside of Beck and

1030
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: Danny still at the house for next week. And next

1031
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: week I mean, I guess, according to Savannah, is gonna

1032
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: be a doozy. Well, hey, we've got a couple of

1033
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 1: emails from people asking about this, and so I guess

1034
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: there's no better time than now. Uh. Danielle wrote us

1035
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: in with an email that says Ben bitches. During quarantine,

1036
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: I was wondering in your episodes if we could get

1037
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: some special quarantine edition of Ben Bitches, I think would

1038
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: light in the road a separation right now. Thank you

1039
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: all for variety, for providing some relief in this time.

1040
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: I do have one. Now it's gonna be twisted a

1041
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: little bit and moved around. It's not gonna be as

1042
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: angry as the others because I'm'm in a very peaceful

1043
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: state right now. I've done a lot of prayer, meditation,

1044
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: counseling and quiet time during this time of my isolation.

1045
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: Here's my problem, COVID nineteen. You have ruined something for me.

1046
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: You have made me flustered, frustrating, and feeling more alone

1047
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: than I ever had before. I spent most of my

1048
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: life and knowing that a connection with others meant not

1049
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: only emotional, spiritual, but also physical and COVID nineteen, you

1050
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: have taken the physical away from my life, and I

1051
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: don't like it. In fact, I'm mad, I'm angry, and

1052
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm bitching. I want to hug somebody, I want to

1053
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: squeeze somebody. I want to look somebody out in the

1054
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: eyes and tell them how much they matter to me.

1055
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: And I want to get as close as humanly possible

1056
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: without getting too awkward to them. I want to see

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Speaker 1: where their soul lies, and I believe it's in their heart.

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Speaker 1: I want to squeeze them tight and hold them until

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Speaker 1: they try to get away. I want to tell my

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Speaker 1: family I love them. I want to see my grandma,

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Speaker 1: give her a hug. You have lots of people you

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Speaker 1: can let that out on, though, like you can squeeze

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Speaker 1: your family and Jesse's family too, your ribs. But Ashley,

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Speaker 1: what about the grandparents? Yeah? I know that's really sad.

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Speaker 1: My Grandma's gonna be nineties seven in June, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: when do I get to see her? I feel so bad.

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Speaker 1: So here's my point to it all. I miss those

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Speaker 1: who are loved and at a distance right now. We

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Speaker 1: I know, as a people group, take it took for

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Speaker 1: granted for too long, how much we love those who

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen in a while. I'm bitching a day

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Speaker 1: at COVID Night Team because you've taken some physical intimacy

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Speaker 1: away from me and I don't like it. Well, Ashley,

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Speaker 1: that's all I got with that. I've been, Ben, I've been, Ashley.

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Speaker 1: I agreed, Ben, I would I would like a Ben

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Speaker 1: hug almost breaking my bones, Ben Hug Ashley, and I'll

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Speaker 1: be hugging you deep. Okay, bye. Follow the Benn and

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