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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Breaking Points. Emily,

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Speaker 2: great to see.

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Speaker 1: You, Great to see you, Crystal, good to be here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot to get into you. This morning.

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Speaker 2: We've got Trump saying that he is ready to go

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Speaker 2: back to war with Iran as they say they are

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Speaker 2: not interested in negotiations, Americans buying fewer groceries, as Trump

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Speaker 2: claims this is the best year America has ever had.

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Speaker 2: Wonder if people out there are really feeling that sentiment

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Speaker 2: right now? Abdulah sayad based off versus Hey Stevens in

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Speaker 2: a big debate last night. As that race comes to

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Speaker 2: a dramatic conclusion, AI companies are buying and shredding rare

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Speaker 2: books on mass in their latest assault on humanity. Mitch McConnell,

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Speaker 2: is he dead or alive? The reporter who has been

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Speaker 2: staking out his hospital literally every day, is.

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Speaker 4: Going to join us.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited to talk to her and learn what

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Speaker 2: she has gleaned in reading the tea leaves some of

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Speaker 2: the big questions she has about the lack of communication

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Speaker 2: Francesca Hang might be the first socialist governor in American history.

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Speaker 2: She is up in the Wisconsin Democratic primary. And Emiliana,

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Speaker 2: you've taken great interest in this one. I mean this

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Speaker 2: would be a major, major, significant development if you had

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Speaker 2: a socialist who not only won the Democratic primary, but

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Speaker 2: obviously then would be in contention to become the governor

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Speaker 2: of a swing state. So you can't can no longer

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Speaker 2: say oh, it's just California, it's just Brooklyn. This is

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Speaker 2: a key part of the argument for socialists that they

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Speaker 2: can really win anywhere.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and Wisconsin has quite a history with socialism, so

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Speaker 5: not entirely out of the question. We have some pull

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Speaker 5: numbers we'll break down in that interview as well. That

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Speaker 5: is your right, Crystal, a very big one.

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Speaker 2: Getting back to their roots, the sewer, socialists, all of

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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. So love to see it. I

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Speaker 2: to really be enjoying the product. With that being said,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and jump into the show. Trump gave

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Speaker 2: a big speech yesterday. I did a big rally in

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Speaker 2: Michigan that was meant to focus on economic issues. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk more about that in a moment in the economy block. However,

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Speaker 2: he also talked some about Iran and gave people a

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Speaker 2: new rationale, or the latest rationale for why we're in

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Speaker 2: this war.

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Speaker 4: To begin with.

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Speaker 6: Let's take a listen, we have the greatest people, We

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Speaker 6: have the best equipment in the world. I built it

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Speaker 6: during my first term and I'm using it now. We

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Speaker 6: had no choice again, we can't let what was happening

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Speaker 6: in Venezuela go on. And it was very decisive, but

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Speaker 6: we can't let what was and is going on. They

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Speaker 6: killed fifty two thousand protesters. Think of it in a

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Speaker 6: we've already paid for the Venezuela operation, as I said,

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Speaker 6: And likewise, we're winning big time with the Islamic Republic

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Speaker 6: of Iran, and we're ensuring that they never have a

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Speaker 6: nuclear weapon. When somebody comes up and says, why are

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Speaker 6: we doing this, just say because we cannot let them

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Speaker 6: have a nuclear weapon. It's very simple. So you have

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Speaker 6: to say, there's nothing else you have to say. If

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Speaker 6: you understood the power of the nuclear weapons, you'd understand

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Speaker 2: Of course, the reality of the situation only is that

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Speaker 2: previously when we were negotiating with them on exactly this issue.

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Speaker 5: Well, and also as we're about to talk about. Because

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump is facing this the weapons stockpile. If you

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Speaker 5: miss out on or if you deplete the Tomahawks or

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Speaker 5: that level of the supply, does Trump then feel as.

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Speaker 1: Though his next option is something that hasn't.

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Speaker 5: Been depleted, that's more powerful tactical nukes. I don't know

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Speaker 5: what it is, and I'm not saying it's going to happen,

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Speaker 2: What makes you raise that in particular, Emily, because that

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Speaker 2: when they started talking about Pickaxe Mountain, and presumably the

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Speaker 2: that you've been claiming was obliterated, Actually they moved everything

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Speaker 2: into Pickaxe Mountain. Military experts say that conventional weapons would

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Speaker 2: the Iranians have proven themselves very adept at being able

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Speaker 2: started hearing that talk, I became very concerned. In the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think that's exactly right.

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Speaker 5: And it's just been in an amplification of that talk

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Speaker 5: you have depleting supply of the stuff that's been used already,

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Speaker 5: and so when the president feels like he's squeezed, he

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Speaker 5: to escalate with ground troops, the options start to narrow

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Speaker 5: in a way that's very concerning, unless he decides once

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Speaker 5: again to kind of this might be the most likely path,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to your point about the weapon stockpile, you was

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Speaker 2: this is the first that he admitted that there might

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Speaker 2: listen for about soft piles.

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Speaker 5: If there's a brow me.

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Speaker 7: We our money. We have a lot of ammunition, different types.

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Speaker 7: You know, Biden gave a lot to Ukraine and so

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Speaker 7: we're building that up, but we have a lot. We

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Speaker 8: But we have a lot.

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Speaker 7: I'd like to have more, to be honest, but so

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Speaker 7: much was given to Ukraine by Biden when I left.

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Speaker 7: The cupboards will full. When I came here with Obama,

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Speaker 7: he didn't buy ammunition. We had very little and I

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Speaker 7: mean numbers and nobody's ever seen before. So we're building

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Speaker 7: equipments being built. The Patriots in particular are being built.

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Speaker 7: That system is going up. We have a lot. Every

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Speaker 7: one of our contract is just building four to five

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Speaker 7: were some of the more sophisticated itself. We certainly liked

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Speaker 7: that more. Biden gave a lot of it away.

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Speaker 2: So he says there's some of the more sophisticated stuff,

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Speaker 2: even as he tries to downplay the overall issue. And

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Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this a lot emily. Certainly, the

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Speaker 2: diminishing weapons stock files is something we've talked about a

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Speaker 2: lot here, even pre dating the Iran War, is a

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Speaker 2: major issue, and there was NBC News reporting that they

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Speaker 2: are in fact having to ration interceptors, so they're.

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Speaker 4: Having a pick and choose.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is you know, is this a target that's so

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Speaker 2: important we need to protect it or not. That shows

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Speaker 2: you the limits of what we're able to do just

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Speaker 2: because the lack of material. However, I was reading Policy Tenser,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you follow him either on Twitter

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Speaker 2: or I also subscriber to his substack, and he's saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, this is really kind of missing the point

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Speaker 2: because even if the cupboards were full in the parlance

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Speaker 2: there that Trump was using, you still would not with

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Speaker 2: conventional weaponry and a air campaign, be able to achieve

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Speaker 2: your objectives in Iran. You still would not be able

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Speaker 2: to fully protect your bases in the region and have

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Speaker 2: that basing strategy make sense anymore. Even as a lot

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Speaker 2: of people are saying, Okay, well, now we don't have

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Speaker 2: what it takes to defend ourselves and deter China. Well,

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Speaker 2: China's looking at this and going, even if you had

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Speaker 2: full stockpiles at this point, you weren't going to be

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Speaker 2: warfare has changed. So while I think this is a

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Speaker 2: really important, significant near term issue which is shaping the

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Speaker 2: his commanders are certainly alerting him to, etc. I don't

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Speaker 2: is more about Iran strategic positioning, their intelligence strategy, and

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Speaker 2: the way that they've much more effectively adapted to modern

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Speaker 5: We weren't prepared. Clearly, we're not prepared for the asymmetric warfare.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's just no question about it. The Center

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Speaker 5: for Teaching and International Studies estimates that we have fired

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Speaker 5: about one thousand Tomahawk missiles from a baseline of about

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Speaker 5: three thousand. That is going to take years to reconstitute

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Speaker 5: the supply to that level. They're estimating as many as

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Speaker 5: fourteen hundred Patriot defense missiles have been used. So this

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Speaker 5: is a problem that is now going to take years

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Speaker 5: to resolve. That's why Pete Hegseth was talking about quote

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Speaker 5: critical shortfalls on Capitol Hill last week as he asked

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Speaker 5: for more money.

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Speaker 1: And there are companies that are trying.

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Speaker 5: To bring the Pentagon into the twenty first century and

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Speaker 5: prepare it for more asymmetric warfare.

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Speaker 1: But that's not all what we've seen so far in

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Speaker 5: What we've seen is I would say, if anything, an

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Speaker 5: effort to wage this conventional air war in the hopes

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Speaker 5: that again the Netsan Yahoo scenario of the Kurds coming

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Speaker 5: in would take place, that never happens. So Trump is

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Speaker 5: almost just running out the clock until he feels like

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Speaker 5: he can frame something as a big win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've continued to take losses. Let's put these

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Speaker 2: images of the latest MQ nine Reaper drone that was

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Speaker 2: reportedly shot down over a rock. You're looking at thirty

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Speaker 2: to thirty four million dollars. They're laying smoldering on the ground.

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Speaker 2: They've been able to take down a lot of these

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Speaker 2: Reaper drones, and then their drones, which we have actually copied,

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Speaker 2: which is quite unusual for the American military, almost unprecedented

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Speaker 2: to copy an adversaries drone or weaponry like that. In

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Speaker 2: any case, they're able to spend them ount for much

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Speaker 2: They've maintained their industrial base so they can spin these

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Speaker 2: So not only is the war not achieving any objective,

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Speaker 5: Well, and now potentially having problems in the Red Sea.

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Speaker 5: looking at this in terror because all signals point to

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Speaker 9: The reason this president will go down in history for

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Speaker 9: And Donald Trump will go down in our history is

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Speaker 5: Look forward to Mark Levin's monologue on how we are

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Speaker 5: getting his monologues to an audience of one, maybe literally

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's a few boomers out here who take him

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, he may be right that Trump goes

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Speaker 2: I'm sure undoubtedly told him, this will be your legacy.

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Speaker 2: You'll be able to accomplish something no other president was

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Speaker 10: Eighty percent of the people have either relatives in London

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Speaker 1: What the economic situation look like.

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Speaker 10: It's nuanced. We've had these crippling sanctions. The first thing

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Speaker 10: Store is full. We hear about sanctions, the sanctions have

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Speaker 10: There need to be that crippling. The revolutionary guards are

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Speaker 10: not crippling anybody. They trade with China, they trade with Russia, Fine,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you think about the theoretical goals

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that's a fact pattern at this point,

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and turn now from the

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Speaker 5: President Trump flew to Michigan yesterday to deliver an economic speech,

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Speaker 6: a country.

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Speaker 8: We're not going to let these people destroy it.

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Speaker 6: We're delivering the largest prescription drug price cuts in the

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Speaker 6: history of our country by far, with differences of four hundred,

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Speaker 6: five hundred and even six hundred percent. Nobody can believe it.

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Speaker 6: We will pass the Great Healthcare Plan. That's what it's called,

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Speaker 6: the Great Healthcare Plan, to stop all payments to big

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Speaker 6: insurance companies and give the money directly to you, the people,

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Speaker 6: so that they can buy their own healthcare, which will

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Speaker 6: be much less expensive and be a much better healthcare.

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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, let's put this Washington Post headline up on the screen.

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Speaker 5: Republicans see quote scary lack of enthusiasm among core voters

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Speaker 5: ahead of midterms. A little bit from the piece here, quote,

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Speaker 5: Republican polsters and political groups are raising the alarm their

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Speaker 5: party faces a listless and demotivated base ahead of November's

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Speaker 5: midterm elections. A raft of discouraging data from polling, door knocking,

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Speaker 5: and focus groups is unsettling Republicans as their party heads

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Speaker 5: into a midterm election season that would be challenging no

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Speaker 5: matter what, given President Trump's low standing in polls and

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Speaker 5: the fact that the party control in Washington almost always

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Speaker 5: loses seas, which, by the way, is something that Trump

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Speaker 5: was saying ahead of the Iran war.

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Speaker 1: He was saying he gave a speech in Iowa.

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Speaker 5: I think it was back in January Krystal where he

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Speaker 5: was talking about how you know, it's.

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Speaker 1: Not a big deal.

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Speaker 5: He probably won't Republicans probably won't win the midterms. Now,

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Speaker 5: not only is that historical president still salient, but he

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Speaker 5: also has Let's just check the triple a gas price.

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Speaker 5: The national average today is about four dollars and one cent.

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Speaker 5: That is within one hundred days of the midterm election.

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Speaker 5: I think we just passed the one hundred day benchmark

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Speaker 5: what two days ago, So no wonder, no wonder, they're

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Speaker 5: seeing a quote signs or seeing signs quote of listlessness

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Speaker 5: among the base. And I'm curious Crystal for your take

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Speaker 5: on his messaging of the economy being he's doing a

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Speaker 5: little bit of blaming Biden but then also saying it's great.

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Speaker 5: It's a total mixed message, but doesn't have much to

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Speaker 5: work with at this point, of course, when he's trying

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Speaker 5: to tell voters everything is just fine and in fact

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Speaker 5: it's actually better than.

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Speaker 2: Ever many a president has crashed into the rocks trying

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Speaker 2: to convince voters that the economy is good when the

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Speaker 2: economy is not in fact good. I think it's one

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Speaker 2: of the hardest things to bullshit on, even for the

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Speaker 2: most effective bullshit artists, perhaps of all time in American

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Speaker 2: political history, Donald Trump. Because people have their own individual

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Speaker 2: experience with the economy. It's numbers, it's math. At the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, Am I able to afford what

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Speaker 2: I used to be able to afford at the grocery store?

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Speaker 2: Am I able to make rent? At the end of

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Speaker 2: the month? Am I able to even conceive of the

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Speaker 2: possibility of ever becoming a homeowner? Am I able to

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Speaker 2: afford my health insurance premiums? And so you can't. There's

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Speaker 2: very few people. There may be a few, but there's

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Speaker 2: very few people that you're going to be able to

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Speaker 2: rhetorically persuade that their economic situation is different than their

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Speaker 2: actual experience of it. So when he says America is

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Speaker 2: having the best year of all time, there are going

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Speaker 2: to be very few people who are going to be

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Speaker 2: persuaded by that, and all of those people were going

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Speaker 2: to be diehard Trump fans. The latest Gallup poll has

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Speaker 2: only twenty two percent of Americans who say the economy

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Speaker 2: is either good or excellent. That is absolutely dismal. That

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Speaker 2: peace in the Washing Post is really quite dire because

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Speaker 2: you have them saying, you know, one in five Republican voters,

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Speaker 2: so twenty percent of the Republican base is at risk

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Speaker 2: of either staying home or voting for Democrats. That is

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Speaker 2: an extraordinarily high number. I think, you know, when we're

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Speaker 2: looking at the generic ballot, and okay, theoretically Democrat versus Republican,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, it's very hard to actually capture, but who

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Speaker 2: is going to show up? And midterms are are one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent a game of who is actually going to

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Speaker 2: show up? And I think that lack of enthusiasm is

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Speaker 2: the biggest problem for Republicans. It's not necessarily that diehard

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Speaker 2: MAGA voters are in large numbers going to flip to Democrats,

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Speaker 2: although I think some of them will. It's that many

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Speaker 2: of them will be demobilized and simply stay home. They

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Speaker 2: interviewed some Trump voters in Iowa, which Iowa is a

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Speaker 2: state that Barack Obama won it, but that feels like

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Speaker 2: a million years ago at this point.

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Speaker 4: It shifted hard to the right, very rural.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is the type of place that has

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Speaker 2: increasingly moved against Democrats. You got both a governor candidate,

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Speaker 2: Democratic candidate and a Senate candidate who have been pretty

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Speaker 2: consistently up in the polls, including in a recent Fox

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Speaker 2: News poll. You Democrats winning both of those seats. So

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Speaker 2: they interviewed this guy, three time Trump voter in western

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Speaker 2: Iowa's very rural lance silentic resident of Iowa's rural Harrison

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Speaker 2: County described the past three presidential elections as quote the

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Speaker 2: worst three mistakes I've ever made in my life, saying

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Speaker 2: the president had failed to fulfill his campaign promises. Higher

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Speaker 2: gas prices have been costing his family an extra three

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Speaker 2: hundred five hundred dollars every month for their motorcycle and

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Speaker 2: four cars. He said, quote, we voted for Trump. He

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Speaker 2: did the opposite of what he said he was going

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Speaker 2: to do. Gas prices were going to be two dollars,

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Speaker 2: food was going to be cheaper, Energy prices were going

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Speaker 2: to be in half. We were going to get two

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Speaker 2: rebate checks to the American people. We weren't going to

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Speaker 2: have any new wars, and we're going to build a

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Speaker 2: wall into Port thirty million illegal aliens. Interesting that he's

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Speaker 2: also disappointed on that front, and he did none of it.

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Speaker 2: So this man, you think he's going to win, Trump

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Speaker 2: is going to come out as, oh, but it's the

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Speaker 2: best year of your life, sir, don't worry. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that's going to be very persuasive for him.

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Speaker 1: Mumbly, No, of course not.

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Speaker 5: And one of the things we should mention about the

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Speaker 5: analysis that you brought up from the Washington Post piece

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Speaker 5: is that it was done by Americans for Prosperity. So

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Speaker 5: that's a coke back group that has basically it's the

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Speaker 5: old Tea party ground game, but it's still here in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty six, and they were out making this analysis

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Speaker 5: based on door knocking and actually talking to voters. So

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Speaker 5: it's not even just like a cold statistical analysis. It's

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Speaker 5: a lot of it is qualitative having these conversations. And

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Speaker 5: we should also mention from the post piece, the latest

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Speaker 5: Washington Post in IPSOS polling on this shows that quote,

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Speaker 5: Democrats have a ten percentage point advantage over Republicans among

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Speaker 5: voters who say they're absolutely certain to vote in November.

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Speaker 1: Now that is huge.

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Speaker 5: Ryan and I covered last week the generic congressional ballot

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Speaker 5: differences between now two thousand and six and twenty eighteen

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Speaker 5: Democrats and Harry Anton, who we're going to hear from

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Speaker 5: in just a moment, has pointed this out. And if

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Speaker 5: you look at real clear for those years too, it's

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Speaker 5: pretty obvious Democrats are lagging. Like they're up in the

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Speaker 5: generic congressional ballot. I think it's five points last time

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Speaker 5: I checked on OURCP last week. They should be up

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Speaker 5: higher if they're looking at like a blue tsunami year

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Speaker 5: from the same points in twenty six and twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't necessarily mean they won't have a blue tsunami,

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Speaker 5: or that those numbers won't change and be even more

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Speaker 5: lopsided in their favor.

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Speaker 1: By the time election day rules around.

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Speaker 5: But as of right now, there's still work for Democrats

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Speaker 5: to do to capitalize on the fact that Republican voters

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Speaker 5: are possibly considering pulling the lever. For some Democrats, we're

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Speaker 5: staying home altogether, So a fascinating dynamic.

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Speaker 1: Let's put the CNBC headline up.

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Speaker 5: US grocery slowdown deepens as shoppers buy fewer items, raising

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Speaker 5: pressure on food companies. Shoppers are buying fewer items than

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Speaker 5: a year ago, and grocery sales are declining as weakening

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Speaker 5: unit sales are now outweighing rising prices.

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Speaker 1: CNBC reports.

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Speaker 5: This is according to a new analysis from Bain using

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Speaker 5: Nielsen IQ.

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Speaker 1: Grocery data shared exclusively with CNBC.

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Speaker 5: Grocery units, which refer to individual items or products sold,

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Speaker 5: fell one point eight percent in June from a year

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Speaker 5: early year, a sharp reversal from the point one percent

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Speaker 5: year over year growth recorded.

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Speaker 1: In June twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: While prices continue to rise about two to three percent

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Speaker 5: year over year, that inflation cushion for the industry is

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Speaker 5: no longer enough to keep overall sales growing. So Trump

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Speaker 5: went from recording a point one percent growth year over

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Speaker 5: year his economy went from recording point one percent growth

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Speaker 5: year over year after Liberation Day, by the way, which

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Speaker 5: is somewhat interesting. Obviously these adjustments can take a long

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Speaker 5: time to trickle into all parts of the economy, but

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Speaker 5: in the midst of the Iran war to a dip

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Speaker 5: of one point eight percent from June to June. So

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Speaker 5: the way that Democrats are going to get Republican voters

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Speaker 5: either to stay home those one in five that by

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Speaker 5: November to stay home or vote Democrat. I mean, this

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Speaker 5: is such a gift politically. It's a tragedy for the country,

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Speaker 5: but a gift politically.

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Speaker 2: Crystal, Yeah, and Emily, I know we talked a lot

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Speaker 2: before about how Republicans were pinning a lot of hopes

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Speaker 2: on the big beautiful bill and the tax savings that

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Speaker 2: Americans were going to be, you know, feeling in their

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Speaker 2: bank accounts and the Trump baby accounts and these sorts

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Speaker 2: of things. There was a recent pull and I had

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Speaker 2: the numbers in front of me that you know, unsurprisingly,

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Speaker 2: American voters are very like meh on the tax savings

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Speaker 2: because there is what it is, right number one, they

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Speaker 2: don't know what it is. Number two, whatever savings they

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Speaker 2: may have achieved is being instantly eaten up the very

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Speaker 2: next time they go to Phillip their guest tank. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, you talked about we're one hundred days, you know,

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Speaker 2: away from the midterms more or less, we're six months

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Speaker 2: into the Iran war. There's no end in sight, and

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Speaker 2: those economic indicators are just going to continue to decline.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're going to have even higher grocery price.

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Speaker 2: If you'll get a chart at the cost of groceries

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Speaker 2: over let's say the past six years, the way it's skyrocketed,

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Speaker 2: it is truly a jaw dropping how much more people

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Speaker 2: are having to spend for the same items. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you've seen these viral tiktoks where people like pull out

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Speaker 2: their receipts they're like Target receipts or their Walmart receipts

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Speaker 2: from twenty nineteen and just be in shock and how

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Speaker 2: much more they're paying for the exact same items. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to talk that away.

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Speaker 2: That is one area where people really have a very

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Speaker 2: fine tuned sense of what is actually happening, much more

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Speaker 2: so I think than is even captured in the top

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Speaker 2: line numbers, which you know, unemployments low. It's not like

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Speaker 2: things if you just look at these certain macroeconomic indicators

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Speaker 2: look that disastrous. But you know, your average American is

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Speaker 2: really feeling a lot of pain and a lot of

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Speaker 2: despair about the direction that the country is going in

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Speaker 2: and what the prospects are for them and their children.

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Speaker 2: And that is the reason why if we put before

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Speaker 2: up on the screen, Trump is seeing his lowest approval rating.

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Speaker 4: Room.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, this is actually a sort a Harry Enton sot

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Speaker 2: talking about some of these poll numbers of how Americans

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Speaker 2: feel about the economy and how just dismally they're rating

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Speaker 2: Trump's performance.

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Speaker 11: Here, Promises made, promises broken in the minds of the

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Speaker 11: American public, forty four percent thirty eight percent said they make.

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Speaker 4: Them worse off.

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Speaker 11: Back in October of twenty.

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Speaker 4: Twenty four, look at these numbers.

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Speaker 11: Now, oh my goodness, John shaking his head off on

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Speaker 11: the side. Now fifty eight percent, nearly three in five

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Speaker 11: voters say that Trump is making them financially worse off.

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Speaker 11: That's up like a rocket, the better off down through

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Speaker 11: the floor. Back when Trump was reelected November twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 11: look at that, forty two percent of Americans less than

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Speaker 11: fifty said that in fact, the economy is getting worse.

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Speaker 11: Look at that now fifty nine percent, fifty nine percent

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Speaker 11: say the US economy is getting worse. I don't know

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Speaker 11: how this works for Republicans come to midterm elections. When

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Speaker 11: the economy is the number one issue with inflation and

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Speaker 11: three and five say it's getting worse off and just

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Speaker 11: about one in five saying that it's getting better. That's

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Speaker 11: an equation that does not work out.

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Speaker 2: And Emily, I saw Trump going back to the well

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Speaker 2: and that Michigan's speech was supposed to be all about

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Speaker 2: the economy, about like transports and utilizing kids, and these

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Speaker 2: sorts of culture war issues that you know, he believes

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Speaker 2: will help to rub up the base. And you know,

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Speaker 2: for some sure, but I think when you're dealing with

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Speaker 2: this pessimistic of an outlook on the economy and pessimistic

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Speaker 2: view of Trump's own handling of the economy, because let's

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Speaker 2: be clear, these are all complete own goals, you know,

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Speaker 2: manufactured crises of his own making, I don't think the

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Speaker 2: culture war red meat is going to be enough to

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Speaker 2: rescue him.

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Speaker 5: Well, he was talking also about prescription drug prices, and

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Speaker 5: the fact of the matter is healthcare premiums. Early data

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Speaker 5: for the year shows that they're likely to be increasing

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Speaker 5: again this year. So he can talk about prescription drug

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Speaker 5: prices that he's been able to via executive order and

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Speaker 5: deals with some of these individual companies muscle down and

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Speaker 5: in some cases I think that's good, but the overall

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Speaker 5: picture is not a rosy one, and so calling attention

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Speaker 5: to this kind of hodgepodge quilt of executive order accomplishments

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Speaker 5: only go so far when the big picture for people

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Speaker 5: is not But it doesn't reflect the optimism that he's

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Speaker 5: trying to project. And that brings us full circle to

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Speaker 5: the point you made initially a classic pitfall for precedents.

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Speaker 5: He's not on the ballot, which is another problem from

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Speaker 5: the Washington Post article raised one of the experts saying

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Speaker 5: we have a high propensity voter problem. That is from

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Speaker 5: again one of the right leaning experts who say, listen,

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Speaker 5: Trump's out on the ballot. So not only do we

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Speaker 5: not have the voters who turn out for Trump that

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Speaker 5: Trump coalition that does have more Hispanics, more men, in particular,

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Speaker 5: that you don't have that coalition, and a lot of

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Speaker 5: polling suggests it's already fractured. Anyway because of the war

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Speaker 5: and prices and the like. But on top of that,

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Speaker 5: your high propensity voters that used to make up the

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Speaker 5: Republican party base are less energized and interested now too,

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Speaker 5: so they're in an absolute mass right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and even on a prescription drug price thing, he

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Speaker 2: just announced, they just announced that they're slapping tariffs on

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Speaker 2: generic drug imports, which is going to increase the logically

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Speaker 2: increase the cost of those generic drugs, which are the

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Speaker 2: less expensive alternatives to brand names here in the US.

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Speaker 2: So you know, even on this one area that he's

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Speaker 2: trying to claim some progress, at the same time he's

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Speaker 2: undercutting his own progress on that that same issue. And

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Speaker 2: then I don't even know what he's talking about with

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Speaker 2: this healthcare plan because we've never heard anything else.

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Speaker 4: About it, at least I haven't. Maybe you have.

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Speaker 2: I guess this is the next phase of the concept

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Speaker 2: of a healthcare plan that we were promising the presidential election.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think anyone's holding their breath for that one.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think so either.

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Speaker 5: I mean, maybe they're trying to squeeze something into reconciliation.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. It seems unlikely to happen.

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Speaker 5: But good luck to Donald Trump trying to convince people

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Speaker 5: that it's all not just fine but better than ever.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Well, a marquee race in Michigan, that being the Senate

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Speaker 2: Democratic Primary, is coming down to the wire. Election day

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Speaker 2: is next week on Tuesday. Abdil Al Sayad and Haley

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Speaker 2: Stevens faced off last night in a very interesting debate.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with a little bit of Abdul criticizing Eally

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Speaker 2: Stevens for the money that she's been taking. This was

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Speaker 2: a primary line of attack against her throughout this entire

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Speaker 2: debate night. He tied a lot of his answers back

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Speaker 2: to her APAC funding and other corporate funding coming into

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Speaker 2: her campaign.

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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and listen to that.

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Speaker 8: What are you doing.

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Speaker 12: That's something that perhaps we haven't heard before in Washington.

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Speaker 8: That's different to keep the cost of living down.

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Speaker 13: So just tell you for me, it's I don't take

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Speaker 13: money from the corporations who are jacking up your prices

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Speaker 13: in the first place. When you're bought off by DTE

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Speaker 13: and Blue Cross and big pharma and big tech and APAC.

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Speaker 8: Don't be surprised that.

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Speaker 13: There's a pro quo that comes with that quid. That

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Speaker 13: money doesn't just fall off tree. Sixty million dollars from

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Speaker 13: outside organizations in this race they just cover nowhere. It's

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Speaker 13: because those exact same organizations expect something on the other side,

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Speaker 13: and that's that they get to expect it to own.

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Speaker 8: Your next US Senator. So it starts with.

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Speaker 13: Being able to say I'm the only candidate in this

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Speaker 13: race who doesn't take any money from corporations, never have,

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Speaker 13: never will. So I just want to say the difference

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Speaker 13: between us is forty six million dollars of apax spending.

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Speaker 13: They've set a record in this race to help elect

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Speaker 13: my opponent because they know that she'll be a reliable vote,

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Speaker 13: just like she took last week to send your tax

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Speaker 13: dollars to a foreign government that is aiding, arming, and

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Speaker 13: a betting the very people who want to foreclose on

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Speaker 13: the possibility of Palestinian self determination. Look, at the end

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Speaker 13: of the day, my job is to take care of you.

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Speaker 8: Here.

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Speaker 13: I want to be your US Senator. I want your

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Speaker 13: tax dollars spent in Michigan to provide schools in Michigan,

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Speaker 13: to build healthcare in Michigan, to build roads in Michigan.

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Speaker 8: And I think that money sent.

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Speaker 13: Over there to kill kids and women is the worst

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Speaker 13: use of our tax dollars, and yet that's exactly what

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Speaker 13: forty six million dollars in spending will buy you.

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Speaker 2: And Emily, he really hit this theme again and again.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's really interesting and a little bit

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Speaker 2: risky because I'm not sure I've ever seen campaign finance

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Speaker 2: this prominently featured in any election. You know, a lot

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Speaker 2: of times both sides are taking a lot of money

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Speaker 2: and it kind of gets lost in the sauce of

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Speaker 2: who's taken what from whom. But it's a sign of

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Speaker 2: the times because APAC has become so incredibly toxic and

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Speaker 2: such an important litmus test in terms of the credibility

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Speaker 2: of Democratic candidates in these primaries. I think it probably

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Speaker 2: packs a punch. He also did the thing I thought

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Speaker 2: was very clever where you'd say, hey, they're going to

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Speaker 2: go to commercial break, you're probably going to see two

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Speaker 2: three ads funded by APAK from my opponent, and let

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Speaker 2: me tell you you know what the problem is with

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Speaker 2: that and what they're saying, etc. So I thought it

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Speaker 2: was a very interesting strategy from him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is interesting, and also I think for the

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Speaker 5: kind of normal Michigan voter. What makes it less of

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Speaker 5: a risky strategy when you think about it in the

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Speaker 5: context of twenty twenty six is that people are people's

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Speaker 5: frustrations with money and politics are boiling over because of

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Speaker 5: obviously the war, because of the gauz of war.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but it's I think also just.

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Speaker 5: A proxy crystal for people's friends with money and politics

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Speaker 5: in general and with the system. So if people on

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Speaker 5: the right in the center are saying he keeps bringing

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Speaker 5: up a pack because of Israel, I think actually it's

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Speaker 5: more than that. I mean, just as we followed this

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Speaker 5: issue really closely, you see people around the country reacting

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Speaker 5: to APAC, not even necessarily always with a foreign policy

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Speaker 5: aversion to it, but just saying what happened to Thomas Massey,

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Speaker 5: for example, was gross. It was just an example of

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Speaker 5: everything they don't like and don't trust about the American

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Speaker 5: political system.

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Speaker 1: It's a catch all for a lot of different a

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Speaker 1: lot of different themes.

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Speaker 5: I mean, between APAC data centers, which we'll talk about

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Speaker 5: later in today's episode, and flock cameras like these are

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Speaker 5: big what's the best way to put it there, they're

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Speaker 5: sort of touchstones, they're things that represent what people hate

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Speaker 5: about politics right now, and they're unifying in a weird way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I think that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: Hailey Stevens, for her part, her attacks on Obdual were

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Speaker 2: Number one, she's been trying to make a big deal

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Speaker 2: about how he hadn't released his financial disclosure. That didn't

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Speaker 2: land as hard because he did release his financial disclosure

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Speaker 2: yesterday and there wasn't anything that was particularly scandalous there.

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Speaker 2: But she was trying to still launch that attack I

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Speaker 2: think as a way to kind of muddy the waters

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Speaker 2: where he's saying her like she's basically corrupt, and she's saying, well,

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Speaker 2: he's corrupt because he's not disclosing everything about his finances.

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Speaker 2: That was one of her attacks. Another one was to

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Speaker 2: try to frame him. This is a way to kind

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Speaker 2: of jiu jitsu the fact that he's much more camera ready,

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Speaker 2: much more charismatic, intelligenic in front of a camera than

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Speaker 2: she is. You sorry for all the Stevens stands out there,

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Speaker 2: I know, deeply sexist commentary in my part. In any case,

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Speaker 2: she tried to flip that around and say, well, we

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Speaker 2: don't need Yeah, he can go on all these podcasts,

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Speaker 2: we don't need a celebrity, Senator, I'm the one who's

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Speaker 2: in the trenches getting the work done, etc. In any case,

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Speaker 2: let's take a listen to the way that she attempted

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Speaker 2: to attack Abdul over his lack of financial transparency.

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Speaker 14: Not released your full text returns three hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 14: in other income while you sat in the podcast chair

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Speaker 14: and you hawked junk healthcare cures that RFK Junior would

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Speaker 14: thumbs up. You talk about getting money out of politics

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Speaker 14: and putting money in people's pockets, but still no one

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Speaker 14: knows who's putting the money in your pocket. You know,

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Speaker 14: I have been transparent and I am offering, you know,

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Speaker 14: real plans to address the cost of living prices.

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Speaker 8: You want to be able to tackle Donald.

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Speaker 12: What you're talking about, what you did, But you also

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Speaker 12: made some accusations here. Doctor, I'll say ed, that is

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Speaker 12: a question that some people may have that Congressman's talking about.

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Speaker 8: Talk about the money and the financial.

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Speaker 13: Disclosures you were going to release. We released all of

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Speaker 13: our financial disclosures. Again, this is a distraction from the

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Speaker 13: issues in your life. But I'd love to talk about transparency.

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Speaker 13: I really would, because I want you to ask yourself.

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Speaker 13: There is this group called the Center for Democratic Priorities.

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Speaker 13: They didn't exist until they popped up and started running

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Speaker 13: odds from my opponents.

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Speaker 8: And then there's this other group called Center.

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Speaker 13: Forward that paid for a flight for the congresswoman and

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Speaker 13: her mother to go to Portugal, and they just released

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Speaker 13: their donors. And then it's a whole bunch of show

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Speaker 13: five to one C four organizations.

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Speaker 8: They're the folks who are.

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Speaker 13: Literally putting money in our pockets right now to try

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Speaker 13: and miss and disinform us about this race.

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Speaker 12: No concern about the forty six million plus dollars spent

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Speaker 12: on the behalf of APAC. That should worry people about

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Speaker 12: perhaps you doing their bidding should you win the seat.

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Speaker 14: Well, I don't think there's much difference between super packs

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Speaker 14: going in for a dual or super packs going in

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Speaker 14: for me. We have a problem with campaign finance reform.

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Speaker 14: You didn't call me an ogre.

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Speaker 12: No again, for the record, it was mister Fetterman that

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Speaker 12: was apparently called an ogre in the call, not you.

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Speaker 4: That last part.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it'd even get started with that. Yeah, yeah,

871
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Speaker 2: put C four up on the screen. So Politico had

872
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: this whole piece about how there was leaked audio of

873
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: Abdul talking about John Fetterman, not Haley Stevens, saying I

874
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: have no problem primary people like John Fetterman.

875
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 4: I have no problem to do that.

876
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: Ideally, you put in one ogre on a pike and

877
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: then everyone else gets the message and all of a

878
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: sudden starts to sound a lot different Hailey Stevens and

879
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: mirror tan and tried to turn this around like he

880
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: was talking about Hailey Stevens being the ogre on a pike,

881
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: which is what she said. There she gets fact checked

882
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: in real time by the moderator. I think, probably highlighting

883
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: the fact that abdulahl Sayah, like the entire rest of

884
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: the Democratic base absolutely despises John Fetterman and thinks that

885
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: he's an ogre who should be taken out. It's probably

886
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: not the win, the propaganda win that they were hoping

887
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: for him.

888
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 5: Well, she couldn't even land the plane on the financial disclosers.

889
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 5: I mean, it just sometimes it's frustrating.

890
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: Chris.

891
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 5: I don't know if you ever experienced this as somebody

892
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 5: who covers these races to watch the candidates even when

893
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 5: they're so bad, like Hailey Stevens, flustered because look right

894
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 5: into the camera and say, this is your working class

895
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 5: champion as one hundred thousand dollars. His wife has one

896
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollar rental property in Dubai. Like, she couldn't

897
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 5: even land an effective punch on that. Do I think

898
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 5: it's a huge issue for Michigan voters. No, but it

899
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 5: gave her something to work.

900
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 4: With, at least want to do it right. Yeah, she

901
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 4: couldn't even do it.

902
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: She couldn't even do it, and she could.

903
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 5: You could hear her trying to like interrupt and then

904
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 5: deciding that she probably shouldn't interrupt. Like she just lacks

905
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 5: a I mean it's not just Riz, but like she

906
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 5: she kind of lacks like a convincing self confidence in

907
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 5: that setting at least.

908
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: Well, this is the hard thing about standing for nothing.

909
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: It makes it much harder to have a convincing self

910
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: to put forward. I mean, genuinely, I think about Kamala

911
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: Harris suffering from this. You know, we talked about Kamala

912
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: Harris's untalented. It's not really true. It's very hard to

913
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: not really know where you stand and have to answer

914
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: all these questions about where you stand.

915
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 4: That's really difficult.

916
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: It's much easier if you have an ideology and you

917
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: can just take the question in and respond with what

918
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: you actually think based on a well thought out ideology

919
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: and some sort of principle. And so I think there's

920
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: no surprise that you have this big gap in the

921
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: capability and the charisma of the lefty candidates versus the

922
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: interest Because the lefties, whether you like them or you know,

923
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: don't agree with their worldview, they have a worldview and

924
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: they're not afraid of putting it out there and they're

925
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: not running away from it, and they you know, so

926
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: it gives them a real lag up when you're in

927
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: a situation like this and you're just having to respond to, Okay, well,

928
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: what is the question what I actually think about this,

929
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: rather than what did my briefing books say? What's the

930
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 2: clever retort that my campaign team came up with when

931
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: we were workshopping this in practice? So I think that's

932
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: part of what's going on here as well. We have

933
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: another Hailey Stephens moment that we wanted to highlight here

934
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: and shout out to Sam Robinson, who is a journalist

935
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: in Michigan. He's actually going to join us on Friday

936
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: to give us a breakdown of the race. He's just

937
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 2: been following the candidates around and talking to them, talking

938
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 2: to the voters who are interacting with both Abdul and Haley,

939
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: getting their sense of things. And he captured a pretty

940
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: extraordinary moment here where Haley Stevens was meeting with a

941
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: constituent who was a community leader. He expressed his concern

942
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: over her support for the slaughter in Gaza and in

943
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: a very you know, compelling and personal way, and uh,

944
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: you know, she she really was sort of uncomfortable in

945
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: the exchange, and it was it was it was a

946
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: very telling moment. I think in terms of how voters

947
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: are processing their choices here, let's go ahead and take

948
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: a look at that.

949
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 6: One.

950
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 15: I did already vote early, voted somebody who's going to win.

951
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: I do not want Mike Rodgers today.

952
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 8: Whoever.

953
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 13: It is. Like I said, it's not an issue, She's

954
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 13: not a candidate issue.

955
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 15: It's a yeah, secretary, I know, it's not like a

956
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 15: broken record. Those six year olds that I coach here,

957
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 15: they're just as precious as the six year olds in

958
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 15: time of time. And it just absolutely breaks my heart

959
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 15: when I see him Limb's missing children. They're having to

960
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 15: play soccer on crutches with no legs, having to live lives,

961
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 15: and I feel like my country is directly responsible for

962
00:46:58,920 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 15: those actions.

963
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 13: And nieces Donor, when you hear make of this interaction

964
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 13: that you just said, what do I make of it?

965
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 15: I mean again, I she not a deviled me. You know,

966
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 15: she's somebody that could potentially win the seat. And I

967
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 15: wanted an opportunity to speak to somebody about an issue.

968
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 15: And I have no pals to you blood in me.

969
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 15: It's just I have to believe what I see. I

970
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 15: have to believe what I see.

971
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: So about the interaction, it was.

972
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 8: Fine, it was cordial. We have to talk about both.

973
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 15: I tried my best to talk about both sides of

974
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 15: what I care about in my professional work but also

975
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 15: as a person.

976
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: So you see there he says, you know, it's not

977
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: a candidate issue, it's a human rights issue. And she

978
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 2: says yeah, okay, and she walks out, and then reporters

979
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: are left there to ask him more about Okay, well

980
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: who are you voting for?

981
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 4: Who did you vote for?

982
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 2: And tell us a little bit more, put a little

983
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: more texture behind why you hold these views. I think

984
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: his views are entirely common within the Democratic base, and

985
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: the question is not whether his view or Hailey Stevens

986
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: view is more popular. There's undoubtedly the case that the

987
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: Democratic base is more aligned with Abdullah Siah and with.

988
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 4: This gentleman who was speaking here.

989
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: It's a question of whether that fifty million dollars that

990
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 2: has come into this race is going to be enough

991
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 2: to confuse people about Hayley Stevens, about Abdullahsaiad and you would,

992
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: you know, you have to take that seriously, you really do.

993
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: I've seen pictures of the people's doors just stuffed full

994
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: of mailers, you know, many of them from a pack

995
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: backed by this this flood of money that has come

996
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,479
Speaker 2: into this race, and that's what they're hoping. They're hoping

997
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: to make an example of Abdul and show that if

998
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: you're on the wrong side from their perspective of Israel Palestine,

999
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: that they will come in, they will spend whatever it takes,

1000
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 2: and they will make you pay. Because right now, I'm

1001
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: only the political incentives are shifting very rapidly in the

1002
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: other direction, where Democrats for the first time are having

1003
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: to worry that if they are too pro Israel, they

1004
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 2: are going to be primary and they're going to suffer

1005
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: electoral consequences. APAC is trying to even the score so

1006
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: that they have to consider okay, but then am I

1007
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: going to draw the ir of APAC and have fifty

1008
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: million dollars spent against me in my primary?

1009
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: My bluetooth speaker just went off as you were being

1010
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: very eloquent, Crystal.

1011
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's like the turnout problem for Republicans is

1012
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 5: also a big problem for Hailey Stevens because the voter

1013
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 5: that we just heard from in Michigan represents the type

1014
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 5: of person that you can pretty much be sure is

1015
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 5: going to turn out on primary day. That is somebody

1016
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 5: who is highly motivated by something they see as a

1017
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 5: fundamental human rights question, a fundamental American values question, and

1018
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 5: they see somebody who they think is just flagrantly on

1019
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 5: the wrong side of it, and so that is the

1020
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 5: person who's going to turn out.

1021
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: So it's a real.

1022
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 5: Problem for Hailey Stevens that this is the issue that

1023
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 5: has motivated Democratic voters in a way that, let's druxtapose

1024
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 5: it with the Massy primary. Republican voters are not right

1025
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 5: now having this reckoning at large. Right Younger republic voters

1026
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 5: absolutely are but younger Republican voters are not the majority

1027
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 5: of voters in a primary, and they're not even the

1028
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 5: majority of like the grassroots on the right. And that's

1029
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 5: one of the big differences I think between the left

1030
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 5: and the right is you have more young people involved

1031
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 5: in the grassroots level on the left. And so if

1032
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 5: you Juxapose Massey and you can Kentucky four with this

1033
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 5: Michigan primary, it's not the same dynamic at all because

1034
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 5: Democratic voters right now see this as a litmus test

1035
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 5: for everything else, for authenticity, for corruption, and of course

1036
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 5: for foreign policy and humanity and decency as well. So

1037
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 5: this is the type of person that's highly motivated to

1038
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 5: come out on primary election day, and I don't know

1039
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 5: that Haley Stevens has a comparable kind of cohort on

1040
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 5: her side.

1041
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: I saw someone talking to I wish I could remember

1042
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: who right now, but I saw someone speaking in terms

1043
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: of what we did in Gaza with our taxpayer dollars

1044
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: is a moral injury to the American people, and so

1045
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: separate apart from the horror that most Americans feel at

1046
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: the genocide being committed in Gaza with our funding and

1047
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 2: our support, it also I think is experienced deeply personally.

1048
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 4: I mean, this is it's shameful.

1049
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: It's horrifying that to have any sense that we were

1050
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: involved with this, that our money that we sent into

1051
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: our federal government went to these horrific crimes. And so

1052
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: I think that's an important lens for understanding the depth

1053
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 2: of feeling around this too. You know, that man said, look,

1054
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: I'm not Palestinian, I don't have any post, I don't

1055
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: know anybody there.

1056
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 4: But when I look.

1057
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 2: At these kids that I coach, I see them as

1058
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: exactly the same as these kids who are having their

1059
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: limbs blown off, and that's unacceptable to me. So, you know,

1060
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: I see a lot of like why do people care

1061
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: so much about this? And I think it's very easy

1062
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: to understand the depth of feeling around that, the level

1063
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: of shame that comes from having been complicit, and as

1064
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 2: you're pointing out, Emily, the way that that maps onto

1065
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 2: a whole host of political issues and how politicians are

1066
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: going to conduct themselves in office. On the other side

1067
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: of the Ledger, Hailey Stevens has gotten some really I

1068
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: think important endorsement. Scretch and Whitmer, who's the governor of

1069
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: the state, endorsed her. You know, we'll see that maybe

1070
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: really impactful for some of the people who were undecided

1071
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: who aren't following terribly closely who you know. I think

1072
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: she's generally well liked within the Democratic base, so she's

1073
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: got that going for her. Gary Peters, the current senator,

1074
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: also came out. Both of these people, by the way,

1075
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: had said they weren't going to get involved in the race,

1076
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: but then it was like, oh, Abduel's going to win.

1077
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: They're like, I guess we have to decide.

1078
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 4: You know.

1079
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: They were like, oh, we're not going to insert ourselves.

1080
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: We're going to let the people decide. But then when

1081
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: it started going and direct and they didn't like they

1082
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: changed their mind about just letting the people decide.

1083
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 4: I guess.

1084
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: Zooming out from the Michigan race, we were talking earlier

1085
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: about the broader democratic landscape and how you know, a

1086
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 2: lot of things are going poorly for Republicans, but it's

1087
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: not all rosy on the Democratic side. Could put this

1088
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: tear sheet up on the screen. Ken Martin, who's the

1089
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: head of the DNC. Apparently things are not going well there.

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Speaker 4: They're broke.

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Speaker 2: They said to spend a lot of money helping Kamala

1092
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: Harris pay off her debts. Fundraising is not going all

1093
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: that great. There's a lot of drama and infighting. There

1094
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,479
Speaker 2: was some phone throwing incident that occurred where Ken Martin

1095
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 2: threw his phone either at the desk or you know,

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00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: I guess it's in dispute. How close it came to

1097
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: an aid It led to an HR complaint. There was

1098
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: a lot of talk about this anyways, just a sign

1099
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: that things are not going particularly well there for the DNC.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you've got all this, you got plenty

1101
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: of money washing into these primaries, but people are so

1102
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: disappeared and disgusted with the overall party apparatus. That's not

1103
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: exactly an exciting thing for anyone, whether a larger or

1104
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: smaller donor, to want a pony up money to this

1105
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: dysfunctional institution.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is definitely why it's a double problem

1107
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 5: for Haley Stevens, by the way, but other candidates like her.

1108
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 5: This is definitely why we were talking about Dems lagging

1109
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 5: in the generic congressional ballot based on their own performance

1110
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 5: at this exact same part of the cycle, this point

1111
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 5: in the cycle two thousand and six. In twenty eighteen,

1112
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 5: both Big Blue wave years. I think because there is

1113
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 5: such disillusionment among people, particularly like you. See how motivating

1114
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 5: this is in primary elections. The question of Apak or

1115
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 5: the question of Israel, it is a central motivator. It

1116
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 5: is what is fueling the Democratic Party's grassroots right now.

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00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 5: So if you're a Democratic voter that doesn't have one

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00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 5: of these upstart anti establishment candidates in your area, would.

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00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: You vote right like? You actually might not at all.

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Speaker 5: Even if you're a generally motivated Democratic Party voter you

1121
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 5: usually show up in primaries, you can understand why there

1122
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 5: would be a lag in the generic ballot because there's

1123
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 5: such disillusionment with the way the National Party is being run,

1124
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 5: which Ken Martin, by the way, was elected specifically to

1125
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 5: fix and there was a lot of dubiousness about whether

1126
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 5: he'd be able to do it at the time, but

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00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 5: that was what he was supposed to do.

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Speaker 1: It seems like it's only getting worse.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 2: And lastly, in this the DANC came together and set

1131
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: some of the primary calendar for twenty twenty eight with

1132
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: the mind to trying to thwart the rapidly rising leftist

1133
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: part of the party. They've been very successful at doing

1134
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: that in the past, but they are losing their grip

1135
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 2: simply because the left has won the argument with the

1136
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: base of the Democratic Party. And so even if you

1137
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: may be able to and I think this is very

1138
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: much in doubt rescue let's say Hailey Stevens, the winds

1139
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: are shifting and the credibility that the Democratic elite previously

1140
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: had with the base is completely shot. Their electability arguments

1141
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 2: are completely shot. After handing the White House back to

1142
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Their media landscape is profoundly different from how

1143
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: it was even in twenty twenty when they were able

1144
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: to thwart the rise of Bernie Sanders, both with media

1145
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 2: sort of marching and lockstep for Joe Biden and also

1146
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 2: some behind the scenes maneuvering from Barack Obama and an endorsement,

1147
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: by the way, from Jim Clyburn that was very consequential

1148
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 2: for Joe Biden in South Carolina. So now the move

1149
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 2: is okay, We're not going to wait for South Carolina

1150
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: to go because this is the most establishment friendly and

1151
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: conservative primary electorate almost in the country for Democrats. So

1152
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 2: they've decided to move South Carolina up to be first

1153
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: in the nation with their primary. And you know, I

1154
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: understand what they're trying to do. I'm not sure Emily

1155
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: that it honestly serves their purposes that well, because the

1156
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: previous position of South Carolina was you'd already had a

1157
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: few states that went You had Iowa and New Hampshire

1158
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 2: and the Nevada that had gone before South Carolina in

1159
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: the past, and then you come to South Carolina. It's

1160
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: this sort of like Marquee consequential moment, and they were

1161
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: able to use that as like, Okay, now black voters

1162
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 2: have had their say, everybody else has to get on

1163
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 2: out the race. That worked if you have South Carolina

1164
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: fill in the space that Iowa previously did, Like, Iowa's

1165
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: role is not I'm going to crown the victor. Iowa's

1166
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: role is okay, the people who just aren't going to

1167
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: be able to compete at all, it's going to winnow

1168
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: the field somewhat.

1169
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Speaker 4: So it served a different role.

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00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 2: So I think maybe this doesn't work out for them

1171
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 2: the way that they're thinking it ultimately will to put

1172
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 2: South Carolina first, and rather than having it serve as

1173
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: the kingmaker that it has in the past, having it

1174
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: serve as like the initial culling the way that Iowa

1175
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: used to.

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Speaker 5: Right, and their argument is purely on the grounds that

1177
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 5: South Carolina is more representative, but they are doing it

1178
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 5: now for a reason, more representative of the broader population.

1179
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 5: That argument has basically always existed, but they're doing it

1180
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 5: right now because they're actually scared that they've lost control

1181
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 5: right now, which might have something to do with refusing

1182
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 5: basically to allow Joe Biden to run in a serious

1183
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 5: contested primary election and then foisting Kamala Harris on everyone.

1184
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 5: So no surprise that they feel like their control is slipping.

1185
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's a really interesting perspective on whether it

1186
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 5: even backfires on them because they don't necessarily I mean,

1187
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 5: they don't have control over the grassroots in general right now.

1188
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter whether it's an Iowa South Carolina.

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00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: By the way, latest stuff, Pole has AOC doing very

1190
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: well with black voters, So you know, I don't know

1191
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: that this is going to be the stumbling block they think.

1192
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 2: Put this quote up on the screen to your point

1193
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: about why South Carolina, because you have the party chairwoman

1194
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: of South Carolina weighing in with this quite telling quote.

1195
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: If Nevada gets elevated over South Carolina would be because of

1196
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 2: their Latino votes, So you then be telling black voters

1197
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: you matter less than brown voters. And I refuse to

1198
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: believe our party wants to send any type of message

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00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: like that. So are you because South Carolina's first, are

1200
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: we now saying that black voters matter more than brown voters?

1201
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: Is that the message that's being sent there?

1202
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: Or the white voters in Iowa?

1203
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 5: I mean, like it's just what any way to divide

1204
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 5: people completely?

1205
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: This disgusting racial resentment politics is so it is always

1206
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: weaponized to try to thwart the left. They're doing the

1207
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: same thing to Abdul in Michigan, by the way, who,

1208
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: by the way, is the person of color who was

1209
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: running in this race versus this white woman. And they're

1210
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: still trying to play this like, oh, his base is

1211
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 2: not the way, you know, it doesn't have enough of this,

1212
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: doesn't have enough of that, et cetera. Jim Clyburn coming

1213
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: in to make these allegations, et cetera. So in any case,

1214
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: they made it pretty plain what was going on here,

1215
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,959
Speaker 2: and it has all to do they don't care about

1216
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: black voters in particular. They just think that those with

1217
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: the voters in South Carolina. It's not just black voters.

1218
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 2: It's older black voters who are more conservative, more likely

1219
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: to back the establishment candidates. That has been the track record,

1220
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: and so that is the reason why they're elevating South Carolina.

1221
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: I think anyone who's looking at this with any sort

1222
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 2: of rational view can see what's going on.