WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Hungry Like The Wolf 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.080 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.559 Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind Listener mail. 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:14.560 My name is Robert Lamb. 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.560 And I am Joe McCormick. And it is Monday, the 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:19.920 day of each week that we read back messages from 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.680 the Stuff to Blow your Mind mailbox. If you have 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.639 never gotten in touch before, why not give it a shot. 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:30.120 You can email us at contact at stuff to Blow 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.480 your Mind dot com. Whatever you want to send us fine. 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:36.879 Of course, we always appreciate feedback to recent episodes. If 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.000 you have something interesting to add to a topic we've 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.360 talked about, or a correction you need to make, whatever, 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.680 just send it on our way that is contact at 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.720 stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. Let's see rob. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.159 I think I'm going to kick things off today with 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.760 this message from Adam, which was a response to our 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:56.960 Vault episodes on throwing. 0:00:57.560 --> 0:00:58.400 Yeah, let's have it. 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:08.319 Adam says, Hello, my favorite podcasters and producer, longtime listener, 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.720 first time quote Collar on your Humans and Animals Throwing series, 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:17.600 you discussed humans in their throws using a slingshot structure 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.680 in the shoulder. I am a disc golf player and 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.440 longtime martial arts practitioner and have found a different mechanism 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.520 for the transfer of force momentum. When I go to 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.360 throw a disc during a game, the motion I use 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.320 is more analogous to a whip motion, starting at my step, 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.240 moving through my hips, and being released by my arm. 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.840 During this action, I notice, when I've thrown properly that 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.280 the tips of my fingers feel the most force and 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.920 can even bruise. I believe that this whip like motion 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.760 is also present in the animal kingdom many places, and 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:58.320 your discussion, which I listened to during a game, made 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.560 me think of my anatomical structure in a way I 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.720 hadn't before. Please keep doing what you're doing. You've gotten 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.200 me through many day long trips and have kept my 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.520 mind active with respect to Adam, well, thank you, Adam. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.960 I'm a little perplexed though, about the idea that you're 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.440 listening during a game like you can. I guess maybe 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.800 in disc golf, can that be kind of a solitary 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:20.559 game where you don't need to communicate. 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.000 I don't know, I'm assuming so or it. Certainly he's 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.919 not listening to us during competitive play, Yeah, because I 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.359 would not advise that, because you know, I think We 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:33.200 have a pretty chill vibe going on here, and you know, 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.840 we tend to be exactly what you expect out of everything. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.320 But you know, I don't want to be held responsible 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:41.799 should we throw your game off. 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.880 I think I was confusing disc golf with ultimate frisbee, right, 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.080 or that's a team sport where you need to like 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:49.919 hear what's going on and communicate. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.440 But I think so this would be penultimate frisbee. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.040 I have actually played disc golf before, and in the 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.200 version I played, one thing I really liked about it 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:03.560 was simply the the design of the holes. So like Rob, 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:07.480 have you played this where there's sort of a pole, 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.160 like a metal pole, where you're trying to get your 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.160 disc to land in a cup at the bottom of 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.960 the pole. And when I played, there was like an 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.200 arrangement of hanging chains that function kind of like the 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.400 net in a basketball hoop, except I guess it was 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.560 different because what the chains would do is if you 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:28.320 hit the chains with your with your disc, the disc 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.640 would just kind of drop down into the hole, like 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.520 it would absorb the energy and the thing would fall down. 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.440 It was an elegant system. I liked that design. 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:39.600 Yeah, I haven't I haven't played that. I've thrown a 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.200 frisbee around, and I've played discs of Tron. Those are 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:44.920 those are my main activities with the disc. 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:46.720 But anyway, thank you Adam. 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.119 All Right, this next one is a response to our 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.760 series on Hermit Crabs. I believe this was a response 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.360 to the first episode kicking off our three part series. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.000 This comes to us from Hannah, but I'm gonna take 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.520 a little creative license in reading this. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:12.680 Across the barren landscape of January, tattered streamers and cracked 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:17.400 champagne flutes, rolling in the gutters in the bleak midwinter, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:22.000 the coldest time for toes the season when your car 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:26.080 is somehow either freezing or way too hot. But never 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:31.360 just write. When we return blearily to our occupations, uncertain 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:36.839 of our grasp on reality, the universe, or anything slightly bloated, 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:41.680 but already regretting our new workout regime, a hope came 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.520 to us. Crabs are back on stuff to blow your mind. 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.760 Thanks for that, Thank you, Verner Hertzog. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.320 Indeed, Crabs are back on stuff to blow your mind. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.039 Came back for a three part series, and like we said, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.520 who knows what the future will bring. There's so much 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.119 crab content out there, and we've discussed crabs a lot, 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:02.200 but there's so much more. 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.320 I wonder if Herzog ever has done anything on hermit 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.000 crabs that seems like it seems perfect for him, you know, 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.280 like a like a documentary on the shell trading and 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:12.760 the battle for the shells. 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:14.520 I would not be surprised at all. I mean, the 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:19.240 man has a tremendous filmography, a lot of documentaries in there. 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.080 I haven't seen them all. The main ones I've seen 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.960 from him are the two that he did with volcanogist 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:30.680 Clive Oppenheimer, the one on Volcanoes and the other one Fireball. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.840 Those are both tremendous, but there are no crabs in 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.599 them that I remember. But you know, occasionally there's just 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.520 something that else that just wanders through the scene that 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:44.239 bears rumination from Herzog, like like just a stray dog 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:45.480 in the street, that sort of thing. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.520 Can you imagine how he would pronounce the phrase merciless 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:51.840 eviction I'm talking about. 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.560 There, It would be go I would attempt it, But 0:05:54.920 --> 0:06:00.279 my impersonation is it's just a shallow, shallow attempt to 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.960 to grasp the majesty of Werner Herzog's narration. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.919 All right, This next message comes to us from Matt. 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.760 Matt says, hey, Robert and Joe. I was just listening 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.640 to your episode about hermit crabs, and you kept bringing 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:23.279 up the handedness of the shells and crabs several times 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.039 throughout the episode, and it brought back some information I 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.359 learned in biology. Though it sounded like the handed direction 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:34.040 in crabs might be species specific. At least in some snails, 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:39.120 the direction their shell rotates is the result of maternal effect. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:43.640 This means that direction isn't decided by the individual, but 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.800 rather their mother. In the case we studied, the snail 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.760 shell direction was genetically decided, with right handed being recessive 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.440 and left handed being dominant, but it was the genetics 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.560 of the mother that started the spiral. This means that 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.440 you kind of a snail that is genetically left handed 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.680 have a right handed shell because their mother had right 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:08.839 handed genes, who potentially would have a left handed shell 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:13.080 themselves based on their mother's genetics. I think it's a 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.240 pretty interesting thing to think about and thought i'd share. Also, 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.360 I was thinking about possible topics for discussion, and I've 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:25.239 got a couple. First, the witching hour aka the Devil's Hour. 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.160 This is something that was brought to my attention recently. 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:32.400 The thing is, I distinctly remember that hour starting at midnight, 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.760 but it seems right now it's more commonly assumed to 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.520 be three am. I have clear memories of old cartoons 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.760 featuring a clock striking twelve when supernatural events begin to happen, 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.200 as well as poems and the like. I had also 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.760 always associated this with the general belief that the veil 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.040 keeping ghosts, fairies and the like out of our world 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:59.040 is thinnest in the place between and midnight, marking the 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.800 time version of this being the point between one day 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.160 and the next. This could be a topic you might 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.840 look into, or perhaps even the idea of a place 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:11.400 between and its association with magical happenings. That being more cultural, 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.000 I have another more science you might look into, the 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:18.080 circadian rhythm, and in particular in things like plants. It 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.840 seems everything has something like that rhythm, and there has 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.920 been some research into plants related to the effectiveness of 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.360 using herbicides based on the time of day it is applied. 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.679 Many of these could be a good topic for a 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.080 future episode, or at least lead due to something to 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.160 discuss anyway. Love the podcast. It makes my forty minute 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.679 commute to work so much more bearable. Thanks Matt oh, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.360 this is fabulous. Yeah, there's some wonderful suggestions in here 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:48.200 and now the whole mention of the cut off points 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.440 for various things like the Witching Hour reminds me of 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.920 something I just learned about that I was not aware of. 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.040 I'm not a huge April Fool's Day fan. I think 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:04.160 it can be, but it almost always isn't. And I 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.360 was watching the first episode of the latest season of 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:11.640 the BBC series Ghosts, and which is a fabulous series 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.880 if anyone out there hasn't seen it, but they have 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.199 an episode that deals with April Fool's Day and they 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:20.160 mention that you don't want to carry out your April 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:26.040 Fool's Day gag after midday. This is apparently the tradition 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.880 in the UK that if you carry out an April 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.679 Fool's Day prank after midday, you are the fool and 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.520 you have stepped out of line. And I have to 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.200 say I like that. I like the idea of taking 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.480 a holiday that it's not even a holiday, it's sort 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:44.360 of a holiday. Taking an April Fool's Day, a day 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.360 I already don't care for, and let's just go ahead 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.040 and cut it in half. Let's just go out in 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.920 a half fifty percent less of that. Maybe in time 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.040 we can work it down to like just twenty five 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.200 percent of the day can be utilized. Now I would 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.360 have a question about that, which is, okay, let's assume 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.840 you work all of your April Fools into the witching hour, 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.400 Like you're only allowed to do April Fools pranks between 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:09.320 three and four am on the on the night of 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.760 April first. So part of what I hate about April 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.319 Fool's Day these days is the asynchronous nature of how 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.439 pranks are propagated in the age of the Internet. So, 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.120 like you post an article that's an April Fool's joke 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.080 that a lot of these are not even funny to 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:30.240 begin with, but imagine it is funny and you get to, 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.400 you know, read it on the morning of April first. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.400 It's usually still on the internet after that. And so 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.840 I think most of these pranks, which are largely online 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.200 in one way or another these days, there would be 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.640 asynchronous reception of the prank, even if the prank is 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.079 you know, sort of quote published during the allowed time. 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.880 Yeah, it muddies the waters, and the waters remain to 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.520 some degree muddied until they clear out a bit. But 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.720 you know, on top of that, there's so much disinformation 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.360 and misinformation on the internet. Do we really need one 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.680 day of the year that's all about doing more of it, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:09.280 even if it's supposedly just for laughs, And again a 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.839 lot of them are not calibrated well enough to really 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.960 be laugh intensive. There's some some establishments do it well. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:19.880 I always like the the MPR April Fool's Day gags, 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.400 But you know, it's it's a rare occurrence that I 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.400 actually enjoy one of these things. But to your point, 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.320 if you cut it down to like three in between 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.320 three and four am, on one hand, great limiting it 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.680 to just like that one hour or so, But then 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.720 you're pushing it all into like the wee morning hours. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.319 Maybe that's going to inspire like even worse practical jokes 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:40.760 you're gonna get It's gonna be, you know, trying to 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.240 wake people up and so forth. I don't know, they 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:44.640 just need to get rid of. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:54.840 It all right now. One message we got this week 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.520 was a follow up to an email we talked about 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.880 last week. Last week we got an email from Jim, 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.360 a listener who works as an environmental and domestic pest 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:10.560 controller in Australia, who expressed some skepticism about the subject 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.280 of rat kings. Now, we did an episode on ratkings 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.080 back in December, and one of the big questions about 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.800 ratkings is do they occur naturally or are they all 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:24.679 hoaxes perpetrated by humans. We looked at some scientific sources 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.880 that investigated the issue and concluded that more likely than not, 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.040 they probably do occur naturally, and at least I was 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.960 somewhat persuaded by that. But Jim expressed a few reasons 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.280 for skepticism about whether rat kings do occur in nature. 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:41.960 First of all, he just mentioned that in his many 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.280 years of work, has you know, looked, he has found 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.600 the lots and lots of rat nests, but has never 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.760 come across anything like a ratking. But he also mentioned 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.840 that and here's a slightly grizzly detail coming. Here's a 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.360 warning that when a rat is caught by the tail 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.520 in a trap, it will often sever its own tail 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:04.600 to escape, in Jim's experience, presumably gnawing the tail off. 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.680 So you know you could extrapolate from that that if 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.720 rat kings were to occur in nature with live rats, 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.240 you would wonder why they don't gnaw their tails off 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.400 and escape. Now, I thought that was interesting information. I 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.000 don't know if that's decisive one way or another, especially 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.000 about the rat biting its own tail off. But I 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.600 asked in the episode whether Jim was talking about the 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:29.760 same species that has been observed in alleged natural rat kings, 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:34.720 because if you recall from that episode, basically the supposedly 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.440 natural rat kings all feature Rattus ratus, commonly known as 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:42.200 the black rat, rather than any other species like Ratus norvegicus. 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.360 So Jim writes, I wrote to you about ratkings and 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.560 forgot to mention the species we were controlling. My apologies, 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.600 and yes it is Ratus ratus. And he goes on 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:57.640 to say that Ratus ratus is a serious pest in Australia, 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.800 that Ratus norvegicus is also in all Australia but is 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.560 mainly found in coastal areas, and that Australia also has 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:08.000 several native species of rats, but those are threatened due 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.600 to introduced species such as foxes and cats. And the 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.800 introduced rats. So thank you for the update, Jim. And yeah, 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.280 I would still say that the severing of the tail 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:22.040 when trapped does seem to be relevant information to plug 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:26.520 into the likelihood calculation there though. Another thing I would 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.600 comment on is, you know, Jim, you were saying that 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.920 you've never come across a ratking, and it may just 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.360 be that, even if they do occur in nature, maybe 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.240 they're just very rare, so you can see lots of 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:42.400 rats nest and never see one. But another thing I 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.520 would comment on is that almost all alleged ratkings come 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.880 from places with very cold winter weather. The sources we 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.640 were reading about them and mentioned this, So usually there 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.800 are places on the north end of continental Europe like Germany, Poland, 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:01.280 Estonia and places like that. And Jim, I wonder if 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.040 where you are in Australia, I think you said you 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.280 were in the area of Canberra. I wonder whether that 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.560 would have cold enough winters to create rat kings if 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:11.680 rat kings are indeed created in nature. 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:12.720 So I don't know. 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.480 Interesting question still open in my mind. 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.480 All right, This one comes to us from Jessper. Jessper 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.960 writes in and says, hey, Joe and Rob thanks for 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.680 another great episode. This is responding to the rat king 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:28.480 episode from last month. There is indeed at least one 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:32.000 metal band that uses rat king iconography, the doom metal 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:36.040 outfit Throne List from my hometown Milmo, Sweden. You can 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:40.000 listen to them here and they include a link for 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.320 us to follow and check out some artwork below and 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:49.400 into the email. Jasper has pasted the logo here for 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:53.720 this band that does indeed contain a grotesque rat king. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.280 Right, and it does seem like perfect metal band iconography. 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.600 An interesting connection. So the band is called Throneless and 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.600 they use a rat king on at least one of 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.920 their album covers or something, so some imagery associated with 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.440 the band. I thought that was interesting. This is probably 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.840 just a coincidence. But remember in the episode we talked 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.200 about the history of the term rat king and how 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:20.600 the book chapter that we talked about documented that the 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.640 earliest uses of rat king all apparently referred to this 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.840 old and venerable rat who was like loyally served by 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.480 the other rats in his nest, you know, perhaps even 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.840 sometimes perching on a throne made of twisted tails. But 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.560 then somehow, over time the concept of a rat King 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:42.360 became kingless and became throneless. There was no longer a 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.240 king being served by the other rats. It was just 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:49.400 the rats with the twisted tails. Though again, I would 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.040 be surprised if that connection is what the band had 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.280 in mind. It seems more likely, I don't know, you know, 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:56.840 it's metal, it's probably just more like whoa, that's a 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:57.600 gruesome image. 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.960 Yeah, yeah, I think that's most likely here. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.520 And by the way, Jasper, I will say I didn't 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.760 know this band beforehand, but I checked out the band 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.119 camp page you linked and listened to a couple of tracks, 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:09.760 and yeah, I kind of liked it. It was my 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.320 sort of thing. I'm less into like the death metal 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.760 and metal core type stuff and more into the stoner 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.280 doom kind of metal, and this was in that genre, 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.000 and I it was a pretty pretty heavy example of it. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:24.520 Yeah. Yeah, I listened to just part of one of 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.720 the tracks, and it did seem like it was hidden 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.679 on that doom metal, stoner metal kind of vibe. I 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:34.280 have another musical response here. This one comes to us 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.840 via discord. And if you're like, WHOA, what's you have 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:38.560 a discord? Well, yeah, there is a stuff to blow 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.560 your mind. Discord and if you would like to join it, 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:42.560 you just need to email us and we'll send you 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:50.200 the link anyway, Taylor says, it is a quick comment 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.399 here per the synth Wave Conversation on the recent Listener 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.560 Mail episode. I'm not old enough to have particular nostalgic 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.720 ties to this kind of music, but I really dig it. Nonetheless, 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.320 that said, I am old enough to have grown up 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.600 with a lot of eight to sixteen bit video game 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.879 tracks that gave me an early appreciation for synth music 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.800 in general. And that's a great point. I mean, yeah, 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:15.520 video game music has also influenced and created whole genres 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:16.480 of electronic music. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.280 Yeah. I don't know what the name for this genre is, 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.320 but there is a thing I've heard where people will 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:27.720 go through and like painstakingly recreate a piece of original 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.840 popular music fully in the like sound textures of one 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.600 of these video game consoles. So it's like the song 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.880 is made all out of the sounds that you had 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.680 available as a music programmer of like a game Boy 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:42.000 game or an AS game. 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:46.400 Yeah, yeah, this is what this is considered chiptune. 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:48.680 Oh that sounds a failure. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.440 Yeah, yeah, I don't know that. I've listened to any 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:58.399 like dedicated chiptune artists recently, you know, but it seems 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:00.800 like there have been a number of bands that have 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.280 at least been inspired by it to some degree, you know. 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:05.880 So you'll hear a little bit of it sprinkled in 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:06.520 here and there. 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.359 Man, those Anys game soundtracks were really good at pumping 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.600 you up. There are some that I know I'll never forget. 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:19.119 You remember the original nes Batman side scroller game and 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.880 the music in that, the music. 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.359 But I think I remember the game, Yeah. 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:25.840 Yeah, where you could like cling to the walls and 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:26.879 it was cool. 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.200 All right, Joe, I think we have time for one 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.439 weird house cinema listener mail. What do you have for us? 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.919 Oh? We got this one from Fernando. This is in 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:46.200 response to I Come in Peace starring Dolph Londergren. Fernando says, Hello, 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.080 Robert and Joe. Longtime listener, and I might have written 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.640 to you before. I just finished listening to your episode 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.040 on I Come in Peace. I am old enough that 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:59.400 I actually saw that movie in theaters with my buddies. Congratulations, Fernando. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.000 Fernando says, anyway, since at the end of the episode, 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.200 you were talking about notable alien buddy cops. I thought 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.360 I would bring to your attention one of my favorite 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:11.560 movies of the genre, The Hidden It is gory, suspenseful, 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:15.280 and I believe would fit right in weird house cinema. Also, 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:17.840 I wanted to say hello, see you later, keep up 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:22.640 the good work. Cheers Fernando, well Fernando, thank you, hello back, 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:24.879 and thank you for getting in touch. I looked up 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.120 the trailer to this and this does look quite quite 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:32.040 amusing there. So it looks like a cop movie, sort 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:35.879 of a cop movie variation on Invasion of the Body Snatchers. 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.320 So an Earthling gets possessed. Everybody's like, I've known him 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.520 for years, you know, he's he's my neighbor. He's a 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.120 nice guy. So why is it that he is now 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:48.320 robbing banks and looting pawn shops like the replicant. The 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:52.040 alien replicants are just doing crimes, and it seems that 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.359 only an odd couple of mismatched cops can stop them, 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:59.080 and one of those cops is Kyle McLaughlin. The other 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.040 weird thing is that it appears to have at least two, 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:07.120 maybe more cast members from Twin Peaks. M Yeah, yeah, 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.919 so of course there's coll MacLaughlin, agent Cooper. He plays 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:12.520 one of the cops here, but one of the bad 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.280 guys from Twin Peaks seems to be one of the 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:16.720 alien crime doers. 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.240 And then you also got a klue Galligher in there. 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.000 So it's a it's a great cast. Have you seen 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:23.920 this one, Rotten, I haven't seen this one. This is 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.280 this is not one I'm really familiar with. I don't 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:31.120 even recognize the poster art in the VHS art that's 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.000 popping up here, So I don't know this one. This 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:34.040 one's off my radar. 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:36.240 We'll give it a look. Well, we'll see, we'll see 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:36.880 if it is right. 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.120 All right, Well, we're gonna go ahead and close out 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:42.880 this episode of Listener Mail, but hey, keep them coming, 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:46.600 keep writing in about past, current and future possible episodes 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.600 of Stuff to bliwl Your Mind, Weird House Cinema, anything 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:51.120 else we're doing in the Stuff to Blil Your Mind 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:53.840 podcast feed. And hey, speaking of that feed, if you 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.600 haven't reviewed it, rated it, given it a bunch of 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.280 nice stars. That's something you can do that helps out 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:01.399 the show. 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