Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh, Catherine, I'm excited for today's episode. You know, I
Speaker 2: was driving and there was something that came up for
Speaker 2: me and I was I wanted to just frame the
Speaker 2: question to you, what is something in your day that
Speaker 2: you are not prioritizing that you know you need to prioritize.
Speaker 1: Oh, I could come up with a couple of things,
Speaker 1: let's hear them. Okay, Obviously working out he was doing
Speaker 1: so good for so long. But what you want to
Speaker 1: do well, I mean I want to want to.
Speaker 3: I want you to want to do I want.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent that's I need the I want the
Speaker 1: watch to do that. No, but for sure, definitely I
Speaker 1: haven't been doing my Bible study in the morning. That
Speaker 1: is definitely one that I could do better at.
Speaker 3: What else that's really it? I think?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Mostly what about you?
Speaker 2: I'm just curious on the working out thing though, too,
Speaker 2: because you did do you were doing you were doing
Speaker 2: pans Dam for how many weeks? Was it was like good?
Speaker 3: I did it for the three months three months?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like I think you like you said
Speaker 2: like you wanted to want to want to work out.
Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to like, this is terrible because I
Speaker 1: know that, like I wanted to be like that person
Speaker 1: that when I did that, I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: have to have it, and I just didn't never feel
Speaker 1: that way. I mean, I was fine when I was
Speaker 1: doing it, and I felt good about myself when I
Speaker 1: was doing it, but it wasn't like a mental release
Speaker 1: for me. It wasn't like that mental time, you know,
Speaker 1: or whatever. So it wasn't like I felt like I
Speaker 1: needed it to be like in the right headspace. Is
Speaker 1: maybe why I don't feel like but I do feel
Speaker 1: not as strong now. It's just it wasn't like a
Speaker 1: mental thing for me where I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people it mentally, you know, I like, yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: realizing I think that that's why it wasn't this like
Speaker 1: I have to have it as much because that wasn't
Speaker 1: my mental release is better off with Like I can
Speaker 1: be fine with that at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: just reading a book or watching TV or sitting down
Speaker 1: by myself.
Speaker 2: So then then why would you want to add it back?
Speaker 1: Well, because I need to for my health and I've
Speaker 1: gained back way, which is fine. I'm not like down
Speaker 1: on myself about it, but at the same time, I
Speaker 1: would love to have that motivation back to get it
Speaker 1: back and to feel stronger. I was definitely feeling stronger
Speaker 1: lifting weights and I did enjoy that, So I mean,
Speaker 1: I definitely plan on getting back to it.
Speaker 3: I just need that motivation back.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting thought though, because if it's like, if
Speaker 2: it's not something that you enjoy or want to do,
Speaker 2: most people then probably won't make the time then to
Speaker 2: do something I don't enjoy or want.
Speaker 3: And that's me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think we could all probably agree with
Speaker 1: working out, Like, whether you want to or not, we
Speaker 1: kind of need to for our health.
Speaker 2: They say, well, here's the thing though, They say, like, sure,
Speaker 2: there's all the studies about weightlifting and all that stuff
Speaker 2: is good for you, but they also say just getting
Speaker 2: ten thousand steps is really good, right, so you enjoy walking. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So maybe that's the switch where it's like, yeah, okay, yes,
Speaker 2: there are there benefits to lifting weights, sure, but if
Speaker 2: you're going to pick one, which walking is so good
Speaker 2: for your heart health, yeah, and you're cardiovascular and your
Speaker 2: energy and your stress, like go for a thirty minute.
Speaker 3: Walk, Yeah, that's like that, and it's even ten.
Speaker 2: Thousand steps, Like, well, I know they say ten thousand,
Speaker 2: but like thirty minute walks?
Speaker 3: Would you take a thirty minute walk? At least?
Speaker 1: For me, if I would take at least a thirty
Speaker 1: minute walk a day, I would usually hit close to that.
Speaker 1: But I ye, yeah absolutely, so like yeah, so no,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. I mean, and I do think
Speaker 1: that in a way. Society has also kind of like
Speaker 1: made me feel like I have to want to work out,
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm kind of at a place where
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're right, that's a very good point. Like
Speaker 1: I could go walk and it would get for me,
Speaker 1: it got longer. I started with thirty minute walk, but
Speaker 1: it would end up getting longer because I did enjoy
Speaker 1: that time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe that's.
Speaker 2: Where because A you can be by yourself, you can
Speaker 2: be on your phone, yeah you can, you know, like absolutely,
Speaker 2: and you can get sometimes I'll do I'll just go
Speaker 2: on the treadmill, or I'll do emails or work like
Speaker 2: I know, I save certain things for the walk. But
Speaker 2: I think for you, like and anyone else like and
Speaker 2: for me too, like that is so good. Just do
Speaker 2: that every day, right, right, No, prioritize that, Yeah, good point.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 3: Thanks to check in.
Speaker 2: When do we check in? Because there should be checks
Speaker 2: and balances?
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, Well it's cooling off, so that helps me.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: I like to walk in the cold, which is weird,
Speaker 1: but I hate walking in the heat.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, let's start next week.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to a walking partner, like,
Speaker 2: I love to.
Speaker 3: Walk, so I'd like to do that.
Speaker 2: Like she's like, I like that alone, and then that's.
Speaker 3: That's just me being honest.
Speaker 1: Mostly I do like to walk alone, but there are
Speaker 1: two times I love to walk, like if I haven't
Speaker 1: seen you in a while, Yeah, we can catch up
Speaker 1: on so much in a thirty minute walk.
Speaker 2: I mean I mean literally she's like wait, what what what?
Speaker 2: I was like yeah, And then.
Speaker 4: I do look forward to those when I'm in the
Speaker 4: mood to get all the catch up stuff right and
Speaker 4: like I haven't talked to Dan a while, and like,
Speaker 4: so much has happened in your world when we.
Speaker 3: Go on a walk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, okay, so we saw soa Yeah, but
Speaker 1: what's the what's the checks and balances?
Speaker 2: I don't know, like in a in a month? Do
Speaker 2: we check back? On December eighteenth, and say sure, and
Speaker 2: then maybe you know what's great. You know how we
Speaker 2: love to check things off. Yeah, you should put walk
Speaker 2: in your calendar every day. Then you can then.
Speaker 1: Show that's what I was doing with my walks and
Speaker 1: workouts before. Okay, but what am I checking you on?
Speaker 1: What do you want to I'm great, No, they don't
Speaker 1: have something.
Speaker 5: No, I know.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, because I'm like, I like, you know,
Speaker 2: that's like I need that from my mental even if
Speaker 2: it's just walking. Like I only do weights three to
Speaker 2: four times a week, three mostly, and then I run too,
Speaker 2: and then the.
Speaker 1: Other yeah, and then I run and then I walk.
Speaker 3: And then so basically you do a lot. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: that's great.
Speaker 2: No, but like I have to at least walk every
Speaker 2: day no matter what. Like that's just for my own
Speaker 2: like for everyone's sake. But I was thinking about in
Speaker 2: the car because at the end of the day, there's
Speaker 2: just always seems to be things that I didn't do
Speaker 2: or I didn't finish, and I think, so, yeah, I
Speaker 2: prioritize the working out, which is great, but there's other
Speaker 2: things that I want to do, like the nonprofits and
Speaker 2: the the you know, organization stuff, and it's like I
Speaker 2: keep putting stuff aside that I actually want to do
Speaker 2: because I don't have the time. But I'm not making
Speaker 2: the time because I'm like, well, I make the time
Speaker 2: for working out, which then just got me in the
Speaker 2: whole conversation of of you know, what we prioritize versus
Speaker 2: what we don't right right, you know?
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1: We all put things off that we know we need
Speaker 1: to do or even kind of want to want to do.
Speaker 2: I want to do it, like I'm so like it's
Speaker 2: something I really want to do. Is But I think
Speaker 2: sometimes too, when something feels overwhelming, like maybe working out
Speaker 2: and walking to you might seem been something like that,
Speaker 2: you know, starting this foundation and how it's like it
Speaker 2: feels overwhelming. So something feels overwhelming and you're like, oh
Speaker 2: I want to but I.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like where do you start?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is that seems so so like for
Speaker 1: that that like makes sense starting a foundation, Where do
Speaker 1: I even start? Where do I I have definitely felt
Speaker 1: that way with working out, where do I even start?
Speaker 1: Or if I start, like oh my god, I have
Speaker 1: to start like with you know, so it's just everyone's
Speaker 1: overwhelming is different for it exactly.
Speaker 2: And there's not one that's like even said like I
Speaker 2: know it's yeah, but they're they're not like it's all
Speaker 2: the same thing truly. So I just thought it was
Speaker 2: a topic of conversation.
Speaker 3: Like I wanted to off my stuff though, because I
Speaker 3: need to start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I need to just start something where it's
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm you know, helping people on a
Speaker 2: whether it's just like yeah, you know, I'll damn people
Speaker 2: that have damned me because you know they'll reach out,
Speaker 2: but I just I want it on a more of
Speaker 2: a scale of helping more people, so you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, just check in maybe see if I've done something.
Speaker 3: Sure month to will that feel like work to you
Speaker 3: or no?
Speaker 2: So like yes and no no, because I will want
Speaker 2: I like I have like this dream where I'm like
Speaker 2: maybe I'll do like that subscribe or not subscribing, but
Speaker 2: I'll do something where it's like once a month, I
Speaker 2: can like zoom with remember I asked you about zoom.
Speaker 2: I could like zoom with like under people a month
Speaker 2: and then they can share their stories because I feel
Speaker 2: like when survivors or people are going through a divorce
Speaker 2: or they can like we can all get in a room,
Speaker 2: then you feel better. I think I would love it,
Speaker 2: but then I'll also be like, oh god, then things
Speaker 2: get really busy, and then I'm gonna then then that's
Speaker 2: where it feels like work, and I don't want feel
Speaker 2: like work right, So that's why I want to wait
Speaker 2: almost too to like get it right so that it
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like work. It feels like it's something out.
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say, have the want.
Speaker 2: But I have the pull of I got too much
Speaker 2: on the play right now.
Speaker 1: You need to do, in my opinion, do something that
Speaker 1: does not feel like work. Yeah, because I think for
Speaker 1: you it's kind of like you have time to prioritizing
Speaker 1: working out for you personally, but that's it.
Speaker 3: Otherwise you feel like you should be working or being
Speaker 3: a mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where I think it would be key
Speaker 1: for you if it didn't feel like work.
Speaker 2: Thanks well on this. We have Sadie robertson huff Did
Speaker 2: you watch her on duck Dynasty?
Speaker 3: Not all of it, but yeah, some of it, Okay,
Speaker 3: I like, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I watch like an episode or.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's yeah, it was good because it's a great family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's got a new book out called The
Speaker 2: Next Step, Fifty Devotions to Find Your Way Forward. And
Speaker 2: she's very obviously active on our social media and her faith,
Speaker 2: which we love to talk about on here. So let's
Speaker 2: take a break and then get her on.
Speaker 5: Hi friend, Hi, how are you? I'm great? Thanks so
Speaker 5: much for having me on.
Speaker 2: You're just like the cutest you really are. You're just
Speaker 2: like so cute. Your family's cute, You're cute. Like it's
Speaker 2: just like your message is cute. Everything's just really cute
Speaker 2: about you. And it's like, is there anything into skeletons
Speaker 2: in your closet, like, give me something.
Speaker 5: We're all human, Yes, absolutely, but that's so kind. I
Speaker 5: appreciate it. Thank you, You're so sweet.
Speaker 2: I'm jan and this is this is my girl Catherine,
Speaker 2: and we'll just dive right on in. It's funny that
Speaker 2: you say, you know, we're all human, because I was
Speaker 2: just listening to church yesterday. My son is in a
Speaker 2: weird kind of nap age right now, so we don't
Speaker 2: go to church on Sundays because of his nap schedule.
Speaker 2: So I've just usually like we'll work out or run,
Speaker 2: and so I was running on Sunday and listening to
Speaker 2: the to the pastor speak, and he was basically saying,
Speaker 2: He's like, if you don't stand up and say that
Speaker 2: you're the biggest sinner in the room, like you're lying.
Speaker 2: He's like, we all we all sin and we all have,
Speaker 2: you know, our stuff we have to work on. And
Speaker 2: it's the people that are kind of being like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm perfect. Everything's great. And I think it's hard because
Speaker 2: you know, even when we go to people's Instagram page
Speaker 2: and we see all the things they're doing, everything just
Speaker 2: looks so perfect that sometimes when you start to compare
Speaker 2: in this world of comparison and going, well, gosh, they
Speaker 2: just look like they have everything going and they do
Speaker 2: nothing wrong. And then you realize, okay, where is the
Speaker 2: Like again, we're not all perfect, but in the society,
Speaker 2: it's hard when everything just looks so beautiful.
Speaker 5: No, it's so true. That is so real. I feel
Speaker 5: like that's such a hard thing to balance because I
Speaker 5: feel like Instagram is a place where it's like not
Speaker 5: the place to show everything, like you can't. It's a
Speaker 5: tiny square and a little caption, and it's like a
Speaker 5: lot of people who don't really know you. So there's
Speaker 5: that level of help born and what do you want
Speaker 5: to be? But I feel like you have to understand
Speaker 5: you are literally seeing an image, You're seeing a moment,
Speaker 5: You're seeing a highlight, which is beautiful, but you can't
Speaker 5: start the comparison game. I mean, shoot, we are so human.
Speaker 5: Every everyone has their stuff. I you know, I'm so
Speaker 5: grateful for platforms like podcasting because I do think you
Speaker 5: get to share a little bit more of that, you
Speaker 5: get to have more real conversations, and so I always
Speaker 5: feel like the podcast people are the real ones because
Speaker 5: they really know what's going on in your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, until the headline gets a hold of that, and
Speaker 2: then and then they make you feel like you are
Speaker 2: just insane for having this thought or this comment or well.
Speaker 1: I think that's the catch twenty two about podcasting. It's
Speaker 1: like you want to be able to be real and
Speaker 1: show everybody that you're real, but then everyone literally comes
Speaker 1: down on every single thing that you say. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like you can't be real anymore and show your sins. Essentially,
Speaker 1: it's hard to Yeah, that's for sure, got it.
Speaker 5: I feel like you got to just be anchored and
Speaker 5: know who you are, have the people around you who
Speaker 5: love you, know who you are. And that way. I
Speaker 5: think that the cool thing with podcasting, even if a
Speaker 5: headline gets a hold of it, you know that you
Speaker 5: got to share your story, and if someone goes and listens,
Speaker 5: they get to hear your voice sharing your story and
Speaker 5: hopefully hear your heart in it. But that is a
Speaker 5: real wrestle, definitely. That's actually one of the reasons I
Speaker 5: started podcasting is because I got so annoyed with headlines
Speaker 5: and other interviews that would take something. I'd be like, wait,
Speaker 5: that was actually a really good conversation. Why is like
Speaker 5: the two minutes everyone's listening to not the heart of
Speaker 5: what I was saying. So, yeah, No, it's a gift
Speaker 5: to be able to share in a little bit longer form,
Speaker 5: for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know for sure. Where do you is on
Speaker 2: that topic, where do you find your struggle within the
Speaker 2: walk and being your authentic self when and then when
Speaker 2: things come up, like where do you find that not
Speaker 2: that temptation, but just like that that struggle to keep
Speaker 2: that faith?
Speaker 5: Man, it's so real. I think that there's like in
Speaker 5: the aspect of how much to share, how much not
Speaker 5: to share, or just in the aspect of just.
Speaker 2: Life in general, just whether it comes to marriage or
Speaker 2: in kids and being a mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well we were talking about this the other day, how
Speaker 5: like the enemy, he is an accuser, right, so's he
Speaker 5: gonna get you where it hurts so worse and where
Speaker 5: it seems true. Like last week, we were having just
Speaker 5: a super busy week and everything was crazy and you know,
Speaker 5: trying to balance being a good mom and being a
Speaker 5: great wife and you know, doing my job great, and
Speaker 5: it was like I was just not juggling well, you know,
Speaker 5: everything was just kind of like chaotic, and I was
Speaker 5: struggling with some anxiety, which I used to struggle with
Speaker 5: anxiety a lot back in the day. I hadn't had
Speaker 5: a panic attack in a long time. I had felt
Speaker 5: like I'd kind of come through that season in my life.
Speaker 5: But then last week it was like everything was piling
Speaker 5: up and all of a sudden, I just had this
Speaker 5: panic attack. And you know, actually yesterday I had a
Speaker 5: really great visual for this because yesterday literally speaking of church,
Speaker 5: on my way to church, my gas tank kept like,
Speaker 5: you know, saying empty whatever. And I look at my
Speaker 5: mom and I said, what are the odds run out
Speaker 5: of gas? And she said, well, probably pretty high considering
Speaker 5: your gas tank going off and it's like, yeah, but
Speaker 5: I'm not actually going to run out of gas, and
Speaker 5: because like you never think you're actually going to run
Speaker 5: out of gas. And so then I get to church,
Speaker 5: we make it, we're leaving church, and before we're even
Speaker 5: out of the parking lot, I ran out of gas.
Speaker 5: Straight up.
Speaker 2: God's like, that's cute.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I literally am I a minivan and holding up
Speaker 5: the entire church line because my car just stopped working
Speaker 5: and I had to have like six men from church
Speaker 5: push my car all the way to the gas thing.
Speaker 5: And you know what's funny, though, is I look back
Speaker 5: at that and I'm like, I should have known I
Speaker 5: was going to run a guess that had all the
Speaker 5: signs telling me you're about to run out of gas,
Speaker 5: but I just didn't listen. And then what do I do?
Speaker 5: Run out of gas? And I was thinking about the
Speaker 5: same thing with like my anxiety. It was like all
Speaker 5: the warning signs are going off, like hey, your stress,
Speaker 5: my like everything was short, but I was like I'm fine,
Speaker 5: I'm fine, I'm fine. Keep doing the thing, keep doing
Speaker 5: the work, keep pushing it, until all of a sudden
Speaker 5: I'm on empty and like I actually have a panic
Speaker 5: attack and so I think the balance is like not
Speaker 5: letting your i'll get to eat, you know, like not
Speaker 5: letting yourself get there, like constantly being for me and
Speaker 5: the Word, constantly being in prayer, being surrounded by people
Speaker 5: who speak truth in my life. Like I think, so
Speaker 5: often we push it until it's too far, and then
Speaker 5: you have like the big breakdown when it's like, hey,
Speaker 5: you don't actually have to get there, like you could
Speaker 5: refuel when you're like, you know, halfway instead of at
Speaker 5: e And it was a good little visual physically of
Speaker 5: kind of what I've been experiencing spiritually and in my
Speaker 5: actual life. And so yeah, I think the balance is
Speaker 5: letting it be that a balance being an everyday thing
Speaker 5: that you don't let yourself go too far too long
Speaker 5: without getting truth into your life. And again, for me,
Speaker 5: that looks like the Word of God, that looks like
Speaker 5: prayer and people who actually speak love around me. And
Speaker 5: I think too often we don't think about those things
Speaker 5: until it's, you know, till it's kind of too late,
Speaker 5: you know, till it's a breakdown. Yeah, and you don't
Speaker 5: have to get there, you know.
Speaker 2: That's so true that the whole fact that you don't
Speaker 2: have to get there because I feel like it's just
Speaker 2: a typical thing now for me about that, Like usually
Speaker 2: around that two to three month mark is when I
Speaker 2: have like an explosion and then I'm fine. But like
Speaker 2: the explosion, it's like you feel all the weight and
Speaker 2: the pressure and like they'll all the stressors and the
Speaker 2: work and the finances and this that and the other
Speaker 2: where it's like and then I have my explosion and
Speaker 2: then I then I do another few months of building
Speaker 2: it all, building it back up to then do it again.
Speaker 2: And it's like because that to me is just the
Speaker 2: way that I've always done it, so you know, but
Speaker 2: like just to your point, like you know, it doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be that way. It's just I don't know
Speaker 2: if I have the tools and just to be like
Speaker 2: super honest about that, because yeah, I go to therapy
Speaker 2: every few weeks, but when you have so many other responsibilities,
Speaker 2: I feel like taking care of yourself and managing those
Speaker 2: expectations of the blow up is another added thing to
Speaker 2: do and to try to not do. So it's like
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I can, if I know
Speaker 2: how to do that to like not have the explosion.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think that's the thing. Even if we're going
Speaker 5: with the gas analogy, it's like you don't think about
Speaker 5: going and getting gas until you're empty, you know, exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 5: but you have to discipline yourself to go, Like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I don't feel this yet, but I'm going to prepare
Speaker 5: myself so that I don't get there. You know, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna fill out what I have now if I can read.
Speaker 5: This is actually the screen sperer on my phone right now,
Speaker 5: but it's a versus in the message.
Speaker 2: Gonna say, is there a verse for us?
Speaker 5: That it's so good? It's so good? This? Why is
Speaker 5: my screensaver? Because I need to go to this? It
Speaker 5: says you were blessed when you get your inside world,
Speaker 5: your mind, and your heart put right, then you will
Speaker 5: see God in your outside world. And I was like, man,
Speaker 5: that is so good because it's so true. It's like
Speaker 5: we want to see good on the outside. But like,
Speaker 5: if you're not filling yourself with good, you're not going.
Speaker 3: To see it.
Speaker 5: Like you don't have the eyes to see it, you
Speaker 5: don't have the perspective to see it, you're not in
Speaker 5: the place to see it. But like if you get
Speaker 5: your heart posture and you're in your mind in the
Speaker 5: right place. It changes everything how you see, how you walk,
Speaker 5: how you live, how you talk. But it takes discipline,
Speaker 5: takes this practice to work on that inside. And I
Speaker 5: think sometimes we almost are like, wait, why do I
Speaker 5: think like this? Why do I look? Why do I
Speaker 5: why do I? Well? What did you put inside? What
Speaker 5: have you even focus on? What have you been hurt by?
Speaker 5: And so, yeah, therapy it's great, but you can't wait
Speaker 5: so that you know that you know session every time.
Speaker 5: It's got to be like an intentional daily thing. But man,
Speaker 5: it is discipline, and it is hard to put that
Speaker 5: in play. Sometimes.
Speaker 2: Well it's so hard the prioritizing and like, what are
Speaker 2: you leaving out that you need to prioritize that you're
Speaker 2: not doing for yourself because I think again, as a mom,
Speaker 2: it's like the first thing that I do is get
Speaker 2: the kids ready for breakfast. I have to peace so
Speaker 2: bad by the time they get on that damn bus.
Speaker 2: But yet I won't even like it's just like got
Speaker 2: to get them ready, make pack this, and okay, let's
Speaker 2: go back through the site words again. And it's like
Speaker 2: you're but the discipline of waking up that ten minutes
Speaker 2: early to meditate or to do something for myself. I
Speaker 2: can't do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not good at that either.
Speaker 2: Or reading scripture or I'm like I want to so badly,
Speaker 2: Like I truly like you know, I have some things
Speaker 2: on my phone. I'll go to the Jesus app if
Speaker 2: i'm you know, not at a red light. But I
Speaker 2: don't take the time to do it. And I know
Speaker 2: that's important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think for me, I've noticed because
Speaker 1: I go through seasons I'll be honest, where it's like
Speaker 1: I actually take the time to get in the word
Speaker 1: and do my Bible study. I mean it's after the
Speaker 1: kids go though. I mean, there's no part of me
Speaker 1: that's getting up earlier to do this before the kids
Speaker 1: go to school. We love our sleep, or be honest,
Speaker 1: but I've gone through seasons where I've been really good
Speaker 1: in scheduling that nine to nine thirty or nine to ten,
Speaker 1: it ends up usually being nine to ten. That's what
Speaker 1: it is, you know, And I have found you don't
Speaker 1: really really realize it in the moment. But again, when
Speaker 1: you're not doing it, I realize the blow ups are more.
Speaker 3: The stressors are the same. The kids are just as stressful.
Speaker 1: The marriage is just as stressful, but the way I
Speaker 1: react to it is so different. And I'll be like, man,
Speaker 1: what was different, And I'm like, oh, it's been a
Speaker 1: month since I've actually like opened my Bible or you know.
Speaker 1: And so I definitely go through seasons and I recognize
Speaker 1: that that's different, but I don't always do great. And
Speaker 1: it's kind of like people like, you know, with like
Speaker 1: working out, that's not my thing. I'm not like I
Speaker 1: have to work out or I don't feel good.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Maybe I could get to that point, but that's.
Speaker 1: Kind of how it is for me, with getting in
Speaker 1: the word and doing my Bible study in the morning.
Speaker 2: That makes sense for you, what is because you have
Speaker 2: you know, the next step out, which is the daily
Speaker 2: it's daily you know, motivation. So it's like, for you,
Speaker 2: what does your day look like? How do you get
Speaker 2: it in with everything that you're doing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is so good. I love your point too
Speaker 5: about how it doesn't change anything about your circumstances if
Speaker 5: you get in the word, but it changes your heart
Speaker 5: posture and that that changes the way that you're able
Speaker 5: to go about the circumstances you've been placed in. And
Speaker 5: I do think people sometimes have this false expectation that man,
Speaker 5: if I'm following God, everything's going to work out, and
Speaker 5: that that's not true, that's not even biblical. You're gonna
Speaker 5: face trials, you're gonna go through hard things, but yet
Speaker 5: you have a source of strength to go through it
Speaker 5: with you. You know you, and that that's what changes everything.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it doesn't change your circumis just change your heart,
Speaker 5: changes who you are and how you respond in your circumstances.
Speaker 5: And you know, the next step I'm so excited about
Speaker 5: because hopefully it we'll get people in that daily practice.
Speaker 5: And I even talk about this in the book. It
Speaker 5: doesn't have to be the first thing in the morning.
Speaker 5: I think it's a I think it's a great thing
Speaker 5: if it can be, because it just sets your heart
Speaker 5: and your intention for the day. And for me personally,
Speaker 5: I used to be like, it doesn't have to first
Speaker 5: thing in the morning, and it does not have to be.
Speaker 5: But I do notice when it is, my day is better.
Speaker 5: You know when it is. It just everything is better
Speaker 5: in the day. And that's the thing. Even that's Jesus
Speaker 5: showed us that he would get away in the morning
Speaker 5: on the mountainside with the Father and like, if Jesus
Speaker 5: did it, then we can all benefit from it. But
Speaker 5: you know what, actually it was for me because I
Speaker 5: used to not get up before the kids. I would
Speaker 5: be like, no, I'm sleeping, this is my time. And
Speaker 5: then I had a great friend who asked me one time,
Speaker 5: she was like, what can I be praying for you for?
Speaker 5: Because I had a really big confidence coming up I
Speaker 5: was speaking at I was like, I'm really nervous about this.
Speaker 5: I just can't find the time, you know, to work
Speaker 5: on my sermon, like I want to in the morning's
Speaker 5: so and she said, well, I'm gonna help you wake up.
Speaker 5: She said, every morning at six I'm gonna text you
Speaker 5: get up and get in the word, and I'm holding
Speaker 5: you to it. And I was like six, oh my gosh,
Speaker 5: like that is way too early. And my kids actually
Speaker 5: sleep in pretty good and they're three and one, and
Speaker 5: I'm thankful for that. So I'm like I was gonna sleep,
Speaker 5: but I'm like, okay, now I'm gonna do it. And
Speaker 5: so every morning for three weeks at six am, she
Speaker 5: would text me, get up, get in the word, and
Speaker 5: then she would make if I was like late, like
Speaker 5: six oh five, are you awake? Are you up? Like
Speaker 5: she text me, this is such accountability. And those three
Speaker 5: weeks were so they had such a profound impact on
Speaker 5: my life. Truly. I watched the Bible Recap videos, which
Speaker 5: is the Bible Project, and it like recaps stories of
Speaker 5: the Bible. I ended up watching the entire series from
Speaker 5: Genesis Revelation in those three weeks of just getting up
Speaker 5: at six, because I had so long in the morning
Speaker 5: to learn it. It gave me such a new perspective
Speaker 5: on the Bible on life. I got to preach this
Speaker 5: message after that that ended up impacting a lot of people,
Speaker 5: but before impacted a single person. Impacted me so much,
Speaker 5: and so now I'm like, I want to get up,
Speaker 5: like I find great joy and like getting up now
Speaker 5: there's still a lot of mornings and I'm like, I'm tired.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna sleep in this morning. That's okay, you're human again.
Speaker 5: Like it. It's not like God set the time and
Speaker 5: is disappointed you didn't wake up. But what a blessing
Speaker 5: it is when you do, you know, and get that
Speaker 5: time in. And so I do hope that the next
Speaker 5: step hosts people form that habit. And you know, we
Speaker 5: have so much scripture in the book that we're actually
Speaker 5: going through the Wisdom books, which is so exciting because
Speaker 5: we're going through like Proverbs and Ecclesiastes in different Bible versus.
Speaker 5: You're gonna read a lot. Then it's like my story
Speaker 5: and how that relates to my life. Then some prayer,
Speaker 5: and then I actually even have some worship recommendations in
Speaker 5: the book. So it's really just creating that quiet time
Speaker 5: that you can have with the Lord of that meditation
Speaker 5: that you can have. And so if you've listened to this,
Speaker 5: you've never done that before. This book is kind of
Speaker 5: walking you through what that will look like.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: So besides this one, do you have any other favorite devotionals?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like, I'm getting yours obviously, but I need
Speaker 1: some new ones, So give me some other.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I need to you know what the daily devotional
Speaker 5: I do every single day, I don't. I don't even
Speaker 5: know the name of it, which is terrible. I've posted
Speaker 5: a picture of before and I'll have to share it.
Speaker 5: But it's a book that actually that friend gave it
Speaker 5: to me and it has been so good. It's one
Speaker 5: of those books where it's like all of these theologians
Speaker 5: and great people of the faith over the past hundreds
Speaker 5: of years, Like it's their devotions all put together, and
Speaker 5: it is the richest book. I get so much out
Speaker 5: of it has been so powerful, and that is so
Speaker 5: funny that I don't even know the name of it
Speaker 5: because I've never even I just go through the day.
Speaker 5: But I hate that. I'll have to get it for y'all.
Speaker 5: I have posts on Instagram.
Speaker 2: I'll share I've got two, like I read one at
Speaker 2: night to my son and my daughter, Like they have
Speaker 2: different ones, like one for boy, one for a girl,
Speaker 2: and so I would couldn't even tell you the name
Speaker 2: of that one. I know my calm calm one devotion
Speaker 2: for anxiety. I love that one. That's a really good one.
Speaker 5: That is so funny. I'm like, how do I not
Speaker 5: know the name of this book that I actually read
Speaker 5: every day? That's terrible.
Speaker 3: But no, that's okay.
Speaker 2: That's totally normal. What is your favorite thing about being
Speaker 2: a mom in this season? And then what is something
Speaker 2: that you're like, you know, I want to work on
Speaker 2: this a little bit more.
Speaker 5: It's good. Oh my gosh, I'm just so grateful to
Speaker 5: be a mom to my girl, as honey, as three
Speaker 5: and a half and Haven is eighteen months old. They're
Speaker 5: two years apart, and I think my favorite thing right
Speaker 5: now is their little friendship beginning to blossom. My scissors
Speaker 5: one of my best friends in the world, all my siblings,
Speaker 5: and I are super close with my sister and I
Speaker 5: like we shared a room growing up. We work in
Speaker 5: the same place now. She is just like my go
Speaker 5: to girl, and we're so different, but like love each
Speaker 5: other so much, and I see so much of that
Speaker 5: in Honey and Haven. They're so different even at three
Speaker 5: and one, you can already tell, but the way they
Speaker 5: love each other is just so precious. And getting to
Speaker 5: help steward their friendship is just so adorable. Seeing them
Speaker 5: laugh at each other is probably my favorite thing right
Speaker 5: now about being a mom, because they trying to make
Speaker 5: each other laugh and it is just so cute to
Speaker 5: see them in their own little world. So I'm loving that.
Speaker 5: I'm just loving our little family. We're traveling a lot,
Speaker 5: but just to feel at home with each other and
Speaker 5: teaching them what that means, you know.
Speaker 2: Like there is home again for you.
Speaker 5: We're in Louisiana, which we love Louisiana, but it's sweet because,
Speaker 5: like Honey is like such a homebody, but we travel
Speaker 5: with her so much and I'm teaching her like, hey,
Speaker 5: home is Louisiana, but it's also where your family is.
Speaker 5: And like that's been a fun, just like little gift
Speaker 5: of life to get to do that with them. But yeah, man,
Speaker 5: probably the hardest thing, I guess be a mom right now.
Speaker 5: What I struggle with is just time. You know, I'll
Speaker 5: work and I'm a mom, and I know you guys
Speaker 5: understand that, and I feel like you're just realizing how
Speaker 5: fast the time goes by, you know, And it's hard
Speaker 5: whenever you do work and you go home and like
Speaker 5: that's your time with them. You want to be fully present,
Speaker 5: but then you're like so tired because you just work
Speaker 5: during the day. And I feel like navigating that has
Speaker 5: been something on working on in this season of like
Speaker 5: giving them my best, you know and not like my
Speaker 5: most tired self, and so working on that. I can
Speaker 5: definitely be better at that. But that's a challenge for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's for sure. I was just talking about
Speaker 2: my therapists about that because we don't we now efficiently.
Speaker 2: We started to have help and then now we don't
Speaker 2: have any, and I'm like Okay for the rest of
Speaker 2: this season. So it's gonna be like two months. Like
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna yes, it's I'll be tired because I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be kind of multitasking, you know, working and you know,
Speaker 2: being quote unquote stay at home mom, right, And so
Speaker 2: I'm like, but I also know that season is so short,
Speaker 2: and I know that, you know, I'm gonna start filming
Speaker 2: a movie in January. So I'm like, embrace this season
Speaker 2: because he's you know, twelve months old, he's little. Like,
Speaker 2: it's it's only a short period of time, you know.
Speaker 2: And so I think just also giving us like grace, like, yes,
Speaker 2: you might be tired coming home, but it is short
Speaker 2: and you're still you're still showing up.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, you know, and it's you won't regret it, No, zero,
Speaker 1: you won't regret it. I mean, my kids are so
Speaker 1: much older now, and I look back and I'm like, man, yeah,
Speaker 1: if I had that chance to just I would do it,
Speaker 1: especially knowing now like I would do it. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I think you'll love.
Speaker 2: I already want to go back to like when he was,
Speaker 2: you know, just like a baby, you know, six months ago,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I never really rocked him to sleep
Speaker 2: because I was so big on like sleep training that
Speaker 2: now I'm like, I want to rock him to sleep.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh totally.
Speaker 5: I know you you definitely learn as you go, and
Speaker 5: that is a crazy thing because I think you have
Speaker 5: to just be like, Okay, you don't know what you
Speaker 5: don't know, You're learning as you go, and there's grace
Speaker 5: for the journey. Is the first time you've ever done
Speaker 5: this before, you know, But no, it's it's definitely something
Speaker 5: Like one of the things I'm working on is I
Speaker 5: had a teammate of mine kind of take over my
Speaker 5: social media and I've sent her my captions in my post,
Speaker 5: so it's me. But I haven't been on social media
Speaker 5: for the past week and a half and it's not
Speaker 5: a big deal. It's just been a week and a half.
Speaker 5: But it's been so good for me because I do feel, like,
Speaker 5: like I said, whenever I'm there with them, I want
Speaker 5: to be fully present and like the last thing I
Speaker 5: want to do is looking at someone else's life when
Speaker 5: I'm like, my kids are right in front of me,
Speaker 5: you know, which is so hard. I know that sounds
Speaker 5: like yeah, duh, like everyone would choose your kid, but
Speaker 5: then at the same time, when you're sitting there and
Speaker 5: you're tired and it's just so easy to just scroll.
Speaker 5: I am so guilty of that all the time, and
Speaker 5: so no shame if you're in that, that's just that's
Speaker 5: just life. But at the same time, I'm like, you
Speaker 5: know what, right now, I need to get rid of
Speaker 5: that distraction because I am working, so whenever i'm home, like,
Speaker 5: I really do need to be fully present, and for me,
Speaker 5: if that means just like removing this from my life
Speaker 5: right now, then this just needs to be removed for
Speaker 5: right now. And so yeah, I think you have to
Speaker 5: just lean into you know, there might be different things
Speaker 5: at different times that you can just kind of be
Speaker 5: more intentional about. And that's something I'm currently working on,
Speaker 5: because it's not that I would intentionally choose scrolling over
Speaker 5: paying attention, but you just accidentally do when you're not,
Speaker 5: you know, prioritizing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in your book you talk about not wanting to
Speaker 1: make plans. I really want to hear about this because
Speaker 1: I'm a big planner and all I love to do
Speaker 1: is make plans. So please tell me more about this.
Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm a big planner too. In the sense
Speaker 5: of like I like to be over prepared for things
Speaker 5: that I step into and still, like, for instance, whenever
Speaker 5: I'm speaking, people always say, like, you know, you don't
Speaker 5: miss the be and you don't even have notes, And
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, because like I've worked on that so
Speaker 5: many times. I've I have rehearsed that so many times
Speaker 5: in my mind that like, yes, I know it because
Speaker 5: I'm way over prepared for this moment, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, which is it's not a bad thing, but
Speaker 5: sometimes it can be to my disadvantage. But how much
Speaker 5: to overrepare and like want to I guess be in
Speaker 5: control of what's going to happen and the outcome and stuff. Well,
Speaker 5: since I had kids, it's very humbling because, as you
Speaker 5: guys know, you can't plan everything. You're totally out of control,
Speaker 5: Like you don't know how the day is going to go.
Speaker 5: You don't know when the kid's gonna get into your
Speaker 5: infection or whenever your kid's not going to sleep that
Speaker 5: night or wake up super early, Like there's so much
Speaker 5: out of your control. And so you know, So I
Speaker 5: used to have this way of going about preparing for
Speaker 5: these messages, and I would be so ready and then
Speaker 5: when I had kids, I was like, oh, I don't
Speaker 5: have kid to prepare, like, or I'm speaking the next
Speaker 5: a and I'm up all night and like there's so
Speaker 5: much it's just out of your control. And it really
Speaker 5: taught me how to like lean on the spirit. Well, anyways,
Speaker 5: this one particular event I was going to. It was
Speaker 5: at Texas A and M. It was in their basketball arena.
Speaker 5: There's thousands of college students, and I did not have
Speaker 5: the time. I wanted to plan what I was gonna
Speaker 5: say or to prepare, and I thought, Okay, well, I'm
Speaker 5: just gonna do this older message that I did about identity.
Speaker 5: It's really powerful. This is the one I'm gonna go with.
Speaker 5: So I get up there and I'm speaking and everything's
Speaker 5: going great, and it was like mid analogy, and my
Speaker 5: mom brain was just like blah, Like I just totally
Speaker 5: forgot what I was gonna say, and I was like,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, I don't even know what I'm gonna
Speaker 5: say right now. It was so weird. I've never had
Speaker 5: that happen on stage. I've had that happen obviously in life,
Speaker 5: because that's mom brain and that happens. I never had
Speaker 5: that happen in front of thousands of college students in
Speaker 5: the middle of what I was talking about that was
Speaker 5: like a story, and so I just kind of stopped
Speaker 5: and I was like, okay, I was like, what am
Speaker 5: I gonna say? So I just like quickly, and it's
Speaker 5: so cool because my husband's like, it wasn't that much time.
Speaker 5: It was maybe thirty seconds, but it felt like forever.
Speaker 5: And I was like, God, what do you want me
Speaker 5: to say right now? And I ended up stopping and
Speaker 5: just asking a question. I just said, is the way
Speaker 5: that you're living your life right now actually leading you
Speaker 5: to where you want to go? And when the question
Speaker 5: came out of my mouth, it was actually a really
Speaker 5: powerful question, and it was it was like a shift
Speaker 5: in the room all of a sudden. It was like
Speaker 5: you could hear a pin drop in an arena. And
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, this is a different route than
Speaker 5: I was taking, but clearly, God, you have something different
Speaker 5: you want to talk about tonight. So then we just
Speaker 5: kind of sad on that for a little while and
Speaker 5: with this different direction and anyways, after that, the pastor's
Speaker 5: wife who was there, was like that was so powerful.
Speaker 5: She was like, was that different than the way you
Speaker 5: normally do things. I was like, well, yeah, because I
Speaker 5: really forgot what I was gonna say. She was like, well,
Speaker 5: I don't know what you have planned, but that was
Speaker 5: so much better than whatever you could planned. And I thought,
Speaker 5: you know, it's actually true. I know what I had planned,
Speaker 5: and that was actually better than what I planned. And
Speaker 5: it was just this lesson in like, God's plan really
Speaker 5: is greater than yours, like it really is, and you
Speaker 5: need to learn to lean into that and to trust that.
Speaker 5: And when you can be willing to surrender your control
Speaker 5: of a situation and let God lead, it will feel messy,
Speaker 5: it will feel a little out of control, but it
Speaker 5: will be so much more powerful of an outcome. And
Speaker 5: she taught me I know this verse, but she taught
Speaker 5: me a profound thing about this versus. There's a verse
Speaker 5: that says your word is a lamp unto my feet
Speaker 5: and a light into my path. And she showed me
Speaker 5: what an oil lamp from the Bible days looked like.
Speaker 5: Because I've heard that verse a lot of times, but
Speaker 5: I always thought of the lamp being like a big lamp.
Speaker 5: I actually more so thought of it like a torch,
Speaker 5: where it's like lights up this path, and she said, no,
Speaker 5: these lamps were tiny back in the day, So this
Speaker 5: lamp would not have lit up the path you're going
Speaker 5: to walk. It would have literally just lit up the
Speaker 5: next step you were going to take, which is where
Speaker 5: the book title comes from, the next step, because I
Speaker 5: think so many times life we want to see the
Speaker 5: whole path. We want to know the plan, We want
Speaker 5: to know where we're going, where we're going to be
Speaker 5: in five years. But that's just not life, that's just
Speaker 5: not realistic. And there are things that you can do
Speaker 5: to be confident to take the next step, to prepare
Speaker 5: for the next step. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: I think so much of life does take faith, you know,
Speaker 5: confidence in the things we hope for, assurance and the
Speaker 5: things that we cannot see, and leaning into what the
Speaker 5: Lord has for that next step, knowing it's going to
Speaker 5: be better than the one that you could have even planned.
Speaker 5: So when I say don't plan, it's not just like, oh,
Speaker 5: be careless, be free, go for it, it'll work out. No.
Speaker 5: I think there's wisdom in being smart enough to even
Speaker 5: get oil for your lamp. There's a wisdom in having
Speaker 5: some sort of a plan to being prepared, but at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, it's that the Lord wills,
Speaker 5: and what the Lord does, it will be better than
Speaker 5: what you could have done in your own strength. And
Speaker 5: I've personally learned that time and time again. Me forgetting
Speaker 5: what I was going to say was a small example
Speaker 5: of what my life has looked like on a bigger
Speaker 5: picture of letting go of control and letting God lead
Speaker 5: in my life.
Speaker 2: So well said.
Speaker 3: It gave me chills.
Speaker 2: I know so well, said Sadie. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for coming on. You're just your beautiful soul. Thank you
Speaker 2: for everything that you do in your words, and everyone
Speaker 2: will get the next step fifty devotions to find your
Speaker 2: way forward.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you, Thanks for asking great questions by
Speaker 5: see bye. Thank y'all.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with her.
Speaker 3: She's precious.
Speaker 2: She's so sweet.
Speaker 3: I love her.
Speaker 1: She's just so like I want to be that, like
Speaker 1: smiley and happy all the time.
Speaker 2: I know, but also like knowing that, Okay, she had
Speaker 2: a freaking panic attack last week, Like she she's human
Speaker 2: and she's showing up and everyone she's being authentic. Because
Speaker 2: I saw something I was on I was googling something
Speaker 2: and something came up. There was like you know how
Speaker 2: I don't look at like comments anymore. But something was like, oh,
Speaker 2: yes see she's not healed anymore because she said she
Speaker 2: had to go do this. And I'm like, first of all, healing,
Speaker 2: like these people that just want to go on someone's
Speaker 2: page and say something about someone else or like, no
Speaker 2: one has ever claimed to be fully healed, fully perfect
Speaker 2: fully like so I was just like and I was
Speaker 2: like I kind of laugh because I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: these people are so ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I don't even understand that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm like, of course, no one's like you
Speaker 2: might be far removed from a situation and healthier, but
Speaker 2: like and I can be healed from certain things, but
Speaker 2: there's still things that are going to come up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyways, I just was like it just made me laugh
Speaker 2: because I'm like, in this day and age, people think
Speaker 2: about it's like a there's perfect, then there's unhealed, and
Speaker 2: then there's a complete mess.
Speaker 1: Well and they only expect yeah, they only expect that
Speaker 1: from people that right are well known, right their lives
Speaker 1: can be right, I mean.
Speaker 2: But also it just goes to show you that you know, again,
Speaker 2: what we see, what we scroll, what we everyone deals
Speaker 2: with it, and I just it's.
Speaker 1: It's remembering that because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like no, not all of us are going to post
Speaker 1: all the bad, you know, and so.
Speaker 2: We just have to like some of us will just
Speaker 2: post vibrators and other things, you know what I mean exactly.
Speaker 2: Everything's great. Oh I'm not now to see you later.
Speaker 3: Bye,