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There'll be one more after that 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 3: today with Tim Conway Junior at about five twenty. 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: Yes, we're on the radio one until four after four o'clock. 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: The iHeart app is where the podcast lives Johnny Ken 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: on demand and that goes up right after four o'clock. 11 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: You never have to miss any moment of any show anymore. 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: We had the Reverend Andy Bales on a few weeks ago, 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 2: and he talked about at the time he's the leader 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: of their Union Rescue Mission here in Los Angeles downtown 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: LA on skid Row, and he's run a mission for 16 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: many years that has been successful in getting homeless people 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: back on track. And he's been very outspoken that the 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: government's in city on housing first, rather than providing temporary 19 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: shelter and starting to give them treatment. Housing first means 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: you got to wait years and years. It costs five 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: hundred and eight hundred thousand dollars. A place in the meantime, 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: the bodies are stacking up all over the place, and 23 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: he wrote a piece. It was in the Wittier Daily News. 24 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: Was it in all the Southern California newsgroup papers? You know, 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 2: that's where we found it. 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: It probably would appear depending on whether or not they 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: wanted to print it, and I hope that they did 28 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: because there's some vital information on it, especially about the 29 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: failure of this housing first policy. And Andy takes us 30 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: back to the jays of George W. Bush as president 31 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: when he said the housing first thing became the priority 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: idea behind dealing with homelessness. 33 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: Let's get Andy on here and he can give us 34 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: all the details and flesh out his case. 35 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: Andy, how are you. 36 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 4: I'm good, Thanks for calling. 37 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's It's always good to have you on. You're 38 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: such a voice of rational thought. And I know we 39 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: touched on a little bit of this last time you 40 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: were on. But but talk about the main thrust of 41 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: the column that you wrote for the newspapers. 42 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 4: Yes, the main thrust was that somehow the theory started 43 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 4: from Philip Mangano. I was at a meeting where he shared, 44 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 4: first of all, they all chewed me out for stopping 45 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 4: hospital dumping because I was robbing them of potential guests. 46 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 4: And I thought, wow, that's that's kind of weird, because 47 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 4: I thought that's what we wanted, nobody coming to skid row, 48 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 4: shut the faucets pouring in of people devastated by homelessness 49 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 4: onto the streets. And but all my peers, including Philip Mangano, 50 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 4: were telling me off, and went on to explore, explain. 51 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: It was Philip Mangano, since you. 52 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 4: Brought him up, he's the architect of the housing first 53 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 4: harm reduction movement. And I always say it in that 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 4: order because it's housing first harm reduction movement that Governor 55 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 4: Newsom doubled down on in our state ten years ago. 56 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: Now, was m a federal official? Where was he from? 57 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was a federal official of governor or excuse me, 58 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 4: President Bush and then President Obama gets a lot of 59 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 4: the blame for adopting a wholesale but it actually came 60 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 4: up under George Bush and then and Philim Angano had 61 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 4: this theory that if you get the magnets I think 62 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 4: I said the anchors, I think he used both words, 63 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 4: if you get them off the streets, somehow, everybody else 64 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 4: will magically or naturally follow and leave the streets. But 65 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: the opposite has happened. We've worked to get the chronic 66 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 4: homeless adults off the streets, but we've left so many 67 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 4: others out on the streets for so long that now 68 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 4: the majority of the folks who've been left out there 69 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: on the streets gauge without immediate shelter. They've become the 70 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 4: majority chronic homeless adults. And that's what happens in LA. 71 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: Particularly in LA it's very expensive to develop the permanent 72 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 4: support of housing, and people wait on the streets, and 73 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: people die on the streets. And then once these units 74 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 4: are developed at a very expensive, slow to develop pace, 75 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 4: then they're operated according to federal restrictions and state and 76 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 4: local restrictions that you have to allow the alcohol and 77 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: hard drugs to freely flow, which then causes them to 78 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 4: be chaotic, which has caused the housing on skid Row especially, 79 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 4: but really it's everywhere to be so chaotic and overrun 80 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 4: by gangs and intimidation that nobody wants. 81 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: To live there. 82 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 4: So it's fifty percent vacant. Not just skid Row Housing 83 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 4: Trust that went under, but at many of the agencies 84 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 4: on skid row, because nobbody wants to live on dangerous 85 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 4: skid row, and nobody wants to live in permanent dangerous 86 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 4: permanent support of housing on skid row, and yet we're 87 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 4: building more. I even sent a picture in of a 88 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 4: thirteen story tower going up. Why would you build more units, 89 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 4: and especially on skid row, the most devastated place in 90 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 4: the world in the US anyway, by homelessness. Why would 91 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 4: you add more units to an area that has fifty 92 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 4: percent vacancies. Who's benefiting? Is it the developers benefiting, the 93 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 4: nonprofits benefiting? It's surely not the devastated people waiting on 94 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 4: the streets for immediate housing. Any housing we should do 95 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 4: in the future should be innovative and immediate and affordable 96 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 4: and sustainable. Building a million dollar unit is some units 97 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 4: are going to cost now is unsustainable. It can only 98 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 4: be permanent through taxing people. Whereas the twelve billion dollars 99 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 4: that Governor Newsom has placed on this housing first arm 100 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 4: reduction model in the last ten years, it would have 101 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 4: afforded over one hundred and eighty thousand brand new mobile 102 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 4: homes three bedroom too bad. That would have enabled every 103 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: person experiencing homelessness in the US to have at least 104 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 4: the bedroom. I know that's oversimplifying, but it's understandable. 105 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: Every component of this, every component of this housing first 106 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: philosophy that you just described, sounds insane, sounds absolutely insane, 107 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: and that no rational person would say, oh, that sounds 108 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: like a good idea, and yet it happens. And it 109 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: makes me think that the whole enterprise is just a 110 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: corrupt racket, that they're just doing this and developers are 111 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: making lots of money, and consultants and nonprofits are making 112 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 2: money because it's obviously not doing any good in the streets. 113 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 4: I was speaking to the Sherman Oaks, I believe, Neighborhood Council, 114 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 4: and I was speaking directly to Donald Sutherland, and I 115 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 4: couldn't even believe what I was telling him. I thought 116 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 4: I was in the twilight zone as I explained how 117 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 4: our government is operating, so we have we had fifty 118 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 4: thousand This is the other point I shared. We had 119 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 4: fifty thousand people on the streets when we passed Measure H. 120 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 4: Measure HHH that was to build ten thousand units. That 121 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 4: was to build one fifth of the need that we 122 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 4: currently had. Now six years later, maybe seven, we've built 123 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 4: two thousand of those ten thousand, so we've built one 124 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 4: fifth of one fifth of the needed units to address homelessness. 125 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 4: And now fifty thousand people are left on our streets. 126 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: And by the way, a two thousand people per year 127 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 4: have died in those six years, so we've lost ground 128 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 4: by this devastating model. It's a deadly model, and that's 129 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 4: what I should in the article. 130 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: All right, we thank you very much. 131 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: We're gonna direct people to read this because it's quite 132 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: an education. Andy Bales from the Union Rescue Mission, thanks 133 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: for talking to us once again. 134 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Appreciate the call. 135 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: All right, And he has an opinion piece that ran 136 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: in a number of newspapers who sought in the Whittier 137 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: Daily News, housing first has failed the homeless crisis in 138 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 3: California demands a swift, effective response, and of course what 139 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: he supports is this idea of transitional housing and recovery. 140 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: That's what we should be doing. Instead, they make this 141 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 3: decision that they're gonna build real permanent supportive housing. It 142 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: takes too long, it costs too much, and as Andy 143 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 3: pointed out, thousands are dying on the streets waiting. I 144 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: guess for this miracle Home to be built. Coming up 145 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: next your chance to win money kfi's Inflation Compensation Contest. 146 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: Johnny KENKFI AM six forty Live Everywhere iHeartRadio app. 147 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from A 148 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 5: six forty. 149 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: All right, we just got done talking to Andy Bales 150 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: with the Union Rescue Mission. Great opinion piece which was 151 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 3: published in several newspapers about the failure of Housing First. 152 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: We've talked about this for so long on the John 153 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: and Ken Show. Housing first is a failure in trying 154 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 3: to get a grip on the homeless problem. It doesn't work. 155 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: But he laid it. 156 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: Out nicely in that he says, it just takes so 157 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 3: long and it's so costly to build the kind of 158 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: units they think they need to support permanent housing for 159 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: the homeless, that so many other people die in between 160 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: or are just left homeless, and homelessness increases. When they say, well, 161 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 3: we can't keep up, it's because their plan is slow 162 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: as molasses. And the proof of all this is the 163 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: skid Row Housing Trust, where they did put up all 164 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 3: those buildings, and we've talked about them a lot. They're 165 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: going bankrupt because they're all being destroyed because the other 166 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: half of this, as Anty pointed out, is that they 167 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: let drug and alcohol use go unabated and they let 168 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 3: the game take over these units. 169 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 5: Right. 170 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: I remember the last time he came on when he 171 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: said that the federal rules insist that you keep letting 172 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: the homeless take their drugs and booze. I then realized, well, 173 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: this is hopeless and it's but right, well that's their frame. 174 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 2: We're not going to do a heavy hand and try 175 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: to be prohibitive, right, but then you end up with 176 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: the gangs taking over ye selling the drugs. Okay, So 177 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: that's kind of obvious for moment one. And now they've 178 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: had a number of years now, like what five, six, 179 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: seven years of experimentation and it's a huge failure. 180 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: If it keeps going on. What does this say? 181 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: This says that somebody's getting rich off this system, and 182 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 2: so they don't want to stop it because if they 183 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: stopped it, who loses? 184 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: Somebody loses it. They said, Okay, we're not going to 185 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: do this anymore. Who loses? 186 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: And what's the power those people have? Are these developers 187 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: who are so politically connected and contribute so much money 188 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: and have such close relationships with the politicians that as 189 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: far as they're concerned, this program's going on indefinitely. And 190 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: you know they've they've paid everybody off properly, so status quo. 191 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: Right, Let's assume. 192 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: That there's also some of the nonprofits too, of the 193 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: nonprofits of. 194 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: The same boat. They're getting millions of dollars in tax money. 195 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: What's in it for them to solve the problem? 196 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: Not much? 197 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 4: Right? 198 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 2: So what does this tell you that all the bad 199 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 2: guys have taken over the system. It's a racket, it's 200 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: a way to siphon money from taxpayers. And then they 201 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: have their shield saying well, well, you know, we have 202 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: compassion and we believe in harm reduction and all their 203 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: stupid phrases. When I hear stupid trendy phrases, my alarms 204 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: go off. It's like, why that phrase. You're trying to 205 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: fool me, aren't you. Yeah, this is morazing with fancy language, 206 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: right exactly. And you're trying to create a situation where 207 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: I'm not supposed to criticize what you're criticizing, harm reduction. Really, 208 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: what do you want to increase harm? And so right away, 209 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: I know somebody's running a scam when they have a 210 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: phrase like that, because that's not a phrase normal people use, 211 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: nor does it describe what's going on. 212 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: So so now what we have is and this is this. 213 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: Is like when the mob infiltrates an industry, right, So 214 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: now what do you do. This mob has infiltrated the 215 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: homeless industry, and they have a steady supply of money 216 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: coming in from from these new taxes that we agreed 217 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: to pass. Things are getting built extremely slowly. He talked 218 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: about that that the original propositions was going to count 219 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: for twenty percent of the housing needed, but they've only 220 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: built twenty percent of the twenty percent. 221 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: Well that's four percent. 222 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: They built four percent of the housing needed, and half 223 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: of it, he said, is empty. And it's unusable because 224 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: in many cases the homeless are destroying the units, and 225 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: the homelessness has now increased. Back then it was fifty thousand, 226 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: now it's seventy thousand. 227 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 3: You can't pack a whole lot of homeless people together 228 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 3: in a housing project and say, sure, drugs, alcohol, gang members, whatever. 229 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 3: But that's a recipe for disaster. That's what happened with 230 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 3: the skid Row Housing Trust. 231 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: So what did they do to Andy Bales? Like twenty 232 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: nine buildings they own in downtown and they're all a mess. 233 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: When he pointed out from the beginning, this is a 234 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: really bad idea, but they do. They insulted them, bullied them, saying, well, 235 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 2: you know you're part of the past. You're just managing 236 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: the situation. We're going to cure the situation. Well, you 237 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: didn't cure the situation. And I don't think they were 238 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: intended to. I think they realized the public was so 239 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: disgusted and we were all on our heels, and they 240 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: were constantly reinforcing it, like, well, you're not compassionate, you'recrellible, 241 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: don't you. So they created a crisis that everybody was 242 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: grossed out by. Then they psychologically intimidated people by calling 243 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: them a cruel and inhumane and it's like it was like, 244 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: give me some money. Now you're a shakedown, give me 245 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: some money. We have the answer. 246 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: What really fascinates me and scares me all of these 247 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: years of the failure of housing first, and they refuse 248 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: to acknowledge it. They just keep going. They double down 249 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: on these idea We're gonna. 250 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: Build more housing, but open up more. 251 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: Hotel rooms because they're making money off this. The contractors 252 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: are making a lot of money. They're selling units for 253 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand dollars to the city. 254 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: Plus they blind people to the fact that the cause 255 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: of this is not so much high priced housing. 256 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: The cause of this is a lot. 257 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: Of drug, alcohol and mental illness, particularly in these pockets 258 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 3: with a homeless problem is the worst. But they just 259 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: sell the public on this afforded ability story and that's 260 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: why they're like, oh, waited, there's more housing. If you 261 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 3: build it, they will get them housed, and we can 262 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 3: solve this. 263 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: Because getting them off. 264 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: What did the parent yesterday we had a parent on 265 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: whose son died of a fentyl overdose. 266 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: Poisoning, fentanyl poisoning. What did he say? 267 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: You take fentanyl once you're addicted for life and there's 268 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: no fixing it, right, And that's pretty much true about 269 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: meth too, And those are the two big scourges on 270 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: the streets. Meth which makes you insane, and fentonyl which 271 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: kills you well, so you can't cure this stuff, and 272 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: they know you can't cure it. 273 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: So yeah, look up this name, Sam canonas he was 274 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 3: on our show several times. He's written the book I 275 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: think it was called The Least of us, and he 276 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: really hit it because he said, that's why this homeless 277 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: problem has become so unbelievably intractable in the last five 278 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: to ten years. It is meth in fentanyl because its 279 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 3: John just described it. That just destroys a person. What 280 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: was that They lose their sense of survival. 281 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: Yes, their survival instinct disappears. Their brain gets so damaged 282 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: they no longer have a desire to survive, which is 283 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: when you say. 284 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: How can they live like that? 285 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's because that part of their brain which would 286 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: object to living like that has now been damaged or destroyed, 287 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: which tells me. 288 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 3: They're not going to hit bottom and know that they 289 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: need help because they don't recognize the bottom, which means 290 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: you need conservativeship. 291 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: And it leads back to like the same thing every time. 292 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: So Kelenona's book is very valuable. 293 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: And the other book is Michael Schellenberger's book San Francisco, 294 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: because there he used to be part of that progressive 295 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: homeless activist world and he interviewed the people working in 296 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: the industry and they admitted privately that yeah, this doesn't 297 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: work and that doesn't work well while you're doing it 298 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: well for the money, so the people on the inside 299 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: know it doesn't work. They don't care because the boobs 300 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: us we're paying the tax. 301 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: So there you have it. 302 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 3: Those are the three people to research and read if 303 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 3: you really want to find out truly what's going on 304 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 3: with the homelessness crisis. Michael Schellenberger, Andy Bales and Sam Canonas. 305 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: You put the three of them together and you really 306 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: get the whole picture. 307 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know everything you need to know? 308 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: You do? 309 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: You do? All right? We got more coming up. 310 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 3: Johnny KENKFI AM six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 311 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI AM. 312 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: Six forty, I said, AM six forty. And they're talking 313 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: about AM radio being removed from new cars and trucks 314 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 2: like an AM amputation. No, no, they're cutting our head off. 315 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 2: Don't let them do it. Imagine if we're in a 316 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 2: natural disaster, you're going to get a text alert on 317 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: your phone. That's no good, right, you won't even notice that, 318 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 2: not a substitute for what broadcast radio provides in times 319 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: of need. A one line text alert cannot take the 320 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: place of a voice like our on the radio talking 321 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 2: to you twenty four to seven until the emergency passes. 322 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: And that's assuming the sound networks are even up and running, 323 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 2: which often they're not. 324 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: When emergencies occur, your. 325 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: Local broadcast radio station that's us KFI. Nobody else provides 326 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 2: wall to wall coverage, life saving information and a live 327 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: connection in the crisis, and we stay on in the 328 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 2: aftermath to guide you through the misery. So you need 329 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: to make your voice heard on this issue. Text the 330 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: letters A M to five two eight eighty six, this 331 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: is not hard AM five two eight eighty six, and 332 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: tell Congress to keep AM Radio in all cars and trucks. 333 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, standard message and data rates apply. We want to 334 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: be in all new cars and trucks. That's wrong with them? 335 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: What is this? We're a lifeline? Is that the word 336 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: they use? A lifeline? You are not putting us out 337 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: of business? Yeah? 338 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 3: All right, Well, here comes a name from the recent past, 339 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein. The Wall Street Journal has gotten a hold 340 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: of Epstein's calendar scheduled appointments and meetings. What's fascinating about 341 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 3: it is we're looking at the time period after two 342 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 3: thousand and eight, when he reached a deal with prosecutors. 343 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 3: In two thousand and six, Epstein was publicly accused of 344 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: sexually abusing girls in Florida who were as young as fourteen. 345 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 3: The FBI and the police investigated, and he reached a 346 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 3: deal in two thousand and eight. This is a quiet 347 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 3: story when you think about it. Avoided federal charges, just 348 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 3: pled guilty to soliciting and procuring a minor for prostitution. 349 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 3: He just registered as a sex offender, served about thirteen 350 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 3: months in a work release program. Well, that held out 351 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 3: for a while until we fast forward about ten years later, 352 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 3: and that's when the whole thing blew up on him, 353 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 3: and eventually they arrested him in twenty nineteen, and he 354 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 3: died in a prison cell. 355 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: I'll leave it that way. 356 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 3: Because officially he killed himself, but that's not what many believes. 357 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: Unofficially, he was murdered by somebody. 358 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 3: Right, So yeah, you think about this Appointments book. What's 359 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 3: fascinating about is again, it was after he reached the 360 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: plea deal back in two thousand and eight. William Burns, 361 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 3: director of the Central Intelligence Agency since twenty twenty one, 362 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 3: had several meetings with Epstein. They are at least scheduled 363 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen, they couldn't determine just from the scheduling 364 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 3: whether or not the meetings ever took place. In twenty fourteen, 365 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 3: he was deputy Secretary of State. He's now the director 366 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 3: of the CIA, so he was deputy secretary of State 367 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 3: for Obama. Supposedly they first met in Washington, and then 368 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 3: mister Burns visited Epstein's townhouse in New York City. His 369 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 3: response to this was while he was considering leaving government service, 370 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 3: and he was told. 371 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: That Jeffrey Epstein is very wise. 372 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 3: In wealth matters and might be able to give him 373 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 3: advice on how to deal with like his retirement planning. 374 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who could do that all, 375 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: but Epstein was the best. Right, We could never figure 376 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 3: what he did. Remember, we were trying to figure. 377 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 2: Out I think I know what he was doing. You 378 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: know what he was doing. We know what he was doing. 379 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 2: Apparently that pays well when you provide teenage girls to creepy. 380 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: Rich men. Right. 381 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 3: None of the names in this calendar, though, pure in 382 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 3: Epstein's Black Book of Contacts or in the public flight 383 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 3: logs of passengers who traveled on his private jet. And 384 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 3: we all know where that private jet often went. They 385 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 3: went to that little Lolita Island they called it where yes, 386 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: he had his way with many underage girls. 387 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: The isle of abusing girls. 388 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 3: The isle of abusing girls. Other names popped up. A 389 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 3: woman that was a White House counsel under Obama had 390 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 3: dozens of meetings with Epstein in the years after her 391 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: White House service, and then she became a top lawyer 392 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 3: at Golden Sachs Group. Her name is Catherine Rummeler. And 393 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 3: again the same thing was. The idea was she did 394 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 3: not know him beforehand, but she was told that he 395 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 3: had good connections in the financial field. That's all they're 396 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: saying about this. And there's no implication here that these 397 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: people were going to see him to procure young women. 398 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 3: But the point is he was already he already reached 399 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 3: a plea deal for sexually molesting young women. It's a 400 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 3: bit surprising that this was overlooked by. 401 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: Some of these powerful people. Maybe they didn't care. Epstein 402 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: introduced her to potential legal clients such as Bill Gates. 403 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: Well he shows up again. What do you know? 404 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: Now, I'm convinced now that there's like you know, we 405 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: were talking to the other day, and there's people who 406 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 2: love vegetables and people who can't stand him. And there's 407 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: people who are absolutely not bothered by sexual crimes, like 408 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: teenage girl crimes or tea or you know, young boy crimes. 409 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: Even the crimes. 410 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think so, because it's happened too many times. Well, 411 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: we we've seen the schools, the church, the boy scout, 412 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: the county, the city. Right, everybody's paying billions and billions 413 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: of dollars in settlements all over the place. Right, stories 414 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 2: that involved thousands of kids, billions of dollars, goes on 415 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 2: for decades and nobody did anything. Makes me think, Okay, 416 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: I guess I'm not I guess they're not like me. Right, 417 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: I guess. Obviously people like vegetables. Obviously there's people who 418 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 2: are not bothered by pedophiles. They just can't get worked 419 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: up about. It doesn't matter to them. 420 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 3: Apparently, this Goldman Sachs attorney, this woman Rummler. Actually Epstein's 421 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 3: assistants would email each other and him to ask if 422 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 3: they should avoid having young women around when she was there, 423 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 3: thinking it might bother her. Epstein told one of the 424 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 3: women he didn't want her around, and another that it 425 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 3: wasn't a problem, according to these documents. According to Goldman's 426 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 3: This woman never saw anything that would lead her to 427 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: be concerned at the townhouse, but several people who visited 428 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 3: Epstein during this time period said they noticed young women 429 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 3: at the townhouse. One of the visitors an anthropologist who 430 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: studies romantic love and attachment. It's a woman named Helen Fisher, 431 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: had lunch with Epstein, and she said Epstein invited her 432 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 3: to speak with the staff, and then I would say, 433 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 3: six young women, all of them all good looking, all 434 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 3: of them very young, came in. So it's like it 435 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: was pretty obvious he was convicted of this, he's still 436 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: doing this. 437 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And I think he got protection. He had 438 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: a lot of people in the federal government in the 439 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: system that he was providing women. 440 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: Well, beginning with that plea deal in Florida in two 441 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: thousand and eight. 442 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: That was such an outrageous sweetheart plea deal, absolutely outrageous 443 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: that it must have come from a higher authority. You know, 444 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: treat him very gently. We've got to do something because 445 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: it's public. If it hadn't gotten public, he would have 446 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 2: gotten nothing right. And I think somebody stepped out of 447 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 2: bounds by prosecuting him to begin with. And once as 448 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 2: they started the prosecution, all holy hell broke loose because 449 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: there's there were so many guys in Washington that had 450 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 2: girls that Epstein provided that this was this was a 451 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 2: huge scandal. So they had to like quietly get out 452 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: of this and give him just a very minimal light 453 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 2: sentence and then everything snapped back to normal. Nobody treated 454 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 2: him like a pariah. He had the goods on a 455 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 2: lot of people. Yeah, that's the thinking. I'm sure that's 456 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: what's going on. Because the behavior is so weird and 457 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 2: so extensive for so long, it means there's got to 458 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: be a story. And it's probably the most logical story, 459 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 2: the simplest story, the simplest stories. He had the goods 460 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 2: on all these people, and he was supplying them with 461 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 2: young girls. 462 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: All right, we got more coming up. 463 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 3: Johnny kenkf I AM six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 464 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 465 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 466 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 3: I'm looking at startling video of another metro stabbing and 467 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 3: shooting today to hear about this. One o'clock this morning, Vermont, 468 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 3: Beverly Redline station platform. Some guy was stabbing people. He 469 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 3: had some sort of physical altercation with a woman. Another 470 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 3: man attempted to intervene. He pulled out a knife, stabbed 471 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 3: that man. As he fled down the platform to the street, 472 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 3: he stabbed a second man. The condition of the victims. 473 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: Are not known. This is horrific. 474 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 3: Police arrive at the scene. They chase him to a 475 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: parking lot. This must be surveillance video from some sort 476 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: of building nearby. He hid behind a parked car, came 477 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 3: out from behind with a knife in his hand, and 478 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: then he began running at one of the officers who 479 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 3: shot him because he was not a bank commands and 480 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 3: he was running at the cops and they knew I 481 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 3: had a knife. 482 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: Oh you didn't tell supposed to be alive. I didn't 483 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: tell me. It was a happy ending. No, they shot him. Yeah, yeah, good. 484 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 3: I don't think any of the people that were stabbed 485 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 3: or shot or dead. But yeah, he says he's been 486 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 3: he's in stable condition, alive. 487 00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 2: I think these these metro trains and stations and forms 488 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 2: are the scariest place to be in the whole city 489 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: right now because there's such a high percentage of drug addicted, 490 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: psychological wackos. 491 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: Yes, I want to be in the area, you know, You. 492 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 2: Could even walk through a bad neighborhood and you might 493 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 2: have gang guys hanging out, but they got business they 494 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 2: have to do. 495 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: These are really erratic, violent psychos. 496 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: And speaking of stabbing, remember Bob Lee, the cash app founder, Well, 497 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 3: the medical examiner's report has come out on him. He 498 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 3: died after a fatal stabbing last month. Well, the rumors 499 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 3: appear to be true. His body was full of alcohol, cocaine, 500 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 3: and ketamine. 501 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: So ketmine ketamine, Yeah, that's that's some new trendy drug. 502 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: Again. 503 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 3: The reports were that he was hanging around with the 504 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 3: man that stabbed him to death's sister, a married woman, 505 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 3: and that she had drug problems and they may have 506 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: gone to a drug dealer that night. And then eventually 507 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 3: Nima Momenti, the woman's brother, put Bobbly in the car 508 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: to drive him back to his hotel and stabbed him. 509 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: This guy's around forty three years old, he's got two daughters, 510 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 2: he's got more money than God, right, yea, and think 511 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: of all the things he did wrong. Here he's whacked 512 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: out on multiple drugs, cocaine, ketamine, drunk, he's going to 513 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 2: a drug dealer. He's got this girlfriend, this married girlfriend 514 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 2: on the side who's also into drugs, which pisses off 515 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: her brother. And I could see why the guy was 516 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 2: pissed off, because this is all bad stuff, right yeah. 517 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 3: I mean might be cheating on her husband and using drugs. 518 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 3: She's going downhill, she's cheating on her husband doing drugs. 519 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 3: And this said he was always protective of his younger sister. 520 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: I mean, that doesn't excuse us to have it so. 521 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: But but I mean, you talk about putting yourself in 522 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: play and creating an environment where this is much more 523 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: likely to happen, Like this isn't going to happen to 524 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: you and me. 525 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: Uh, this wouldn't have happened to our mothers. 526 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: Right, This guy has got nothing better to do with 527 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: his his god knows how many hundreds of millions of 528 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: dollars he has, and then to then go running around 529 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: in the middle of the night to drug dealers. 530 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: And I mean, the sympathy level has dropped dramatically. It has. Unfortunately, 531 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: you know, you're you're practically asking for it. Conway's here, hey. 532 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 6: Know, Hey, Mark Thompson's here as well. I heard him 533 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 6: in the hallway, but I don't know why he's not 534 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 6: coming in all right, Hey, guys, the writer strikes going 535 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 6: on Mark Mark Place. 536 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: It was a really hot chick there. I don't know 537 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: why I never get tired of this. I don't either. 538 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: I just I think he does a great Mark Thompson. 539 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm watching him do it in person. Oh it's great, man, 540 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: I tell you. 541 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 6: So, he gets so pissed, you know, go good, it's 542 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 6: a compliment. That's right, that's right, so distinctive, that's right. 543 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 4: L A. P. D. 544 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 6: Shoots a stabbing suspect in downtown. A lot discuss that. 545 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 6: See what happened there. Plus there's an ambulance shortage in town. 546 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, shortage of ambulance. Don't have a heart attack. 547 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, you gotta make sure you you know you're you're 548 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,479 Speaker 6: eating properly. Sure, And the godfather of AI quits Google 549 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 6: and warrens of its dangers. 550 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: You know. 551 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 6: One of the things that the writers strike, they're out 552 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 6: on strike. They want no AI in TV or film. Yeah, 553 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 6: because literally, you know you could a computer can write 554 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 6: a script in about eight seconds. 555 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: Would we know the difference? 556 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 6: Right? 557 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 4: Yeah? 558 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: But oh that's what they're afraid of. 559 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 6: But you know a lot of people, a lot of 560 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 6: kids are doing their their papers in college on AI 561 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 6: and then they and then the professor grabs a paragraph, 562 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 6: puts in the computer and discovers whether it's you know, correct, 563 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 6: whether it's a I or not. 564 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: You can for that, they can scream for that. But 565 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: so you have to you have to do. And I 566 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: don't want I don't want to promote cheating. 567 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 6: But you have to have the A I write it 568 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 6: and then take it out and make changes in another 569 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 6: software that'll they'll rea, you know, rearrange the words. 570 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: And I thought, Tim, we talked about this. 571 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 3: I think there's twenty five years of you and radio, 572 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 3: so they could probably put together something for you and 573 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 3: using ANI. 574 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: That's what I did. 575 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 6: I put in my name and I said, hey, give 576 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 6: me twenty five pages of a bio of what I've done. 577 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 6: And the only thing came back, ding dog D and 578 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 6: twenty five blank pages. 579 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: That's all to be. That's it, ding dog. 580 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 6: But look at least I I you know, who's the 581 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 6: lady that said kiss my grits on on TEEV waitress? 582 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: Yes? Right, she was the waitress right, yeah, flow flow 583 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: flow right. 584 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 6: So we had her on one night and she and 585 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 6: he said, hey, can we get you to do the 586 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 6: kiss my grits we can play it as a drop. 587 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 6: She goes, I haven't done that since I left that show. 588 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, that was a mistake. That's that's that 589 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 6: you should have kept that right. Well, have you heard 590 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 6: of her since I No? Kiss my grids? That was 591 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 6: great though. Every every every show had at least one 592 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 6: kiss my grits. 593 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, they So somebody has you on in twenty years, 594 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: you'll do ding dong. That's right. God's coming, dig, Tom 595 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: said Mark. 596 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: He is, yes, my grant, Oh look now he comes 597 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 2: there he is. 598 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: I am. 599 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 6: I was out talking to the newest son, a news director. 600 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 6: I had twenty four. 601 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: Just trying to show the writers strike got Hollywood back 602 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: to work. 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