1 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: All right, super special episode of Splash Hit. Today, we 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: have Baseball Royalty join us. Thirty two seasons as a 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: professional manager, twenty eight in the Big league's four World 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: Series champions three with the Giants, and six most wins 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: in Major League history, and the eleventh manager in Major 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: League history to earn two thousand wins. Bruce Bochie joins 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: the show today. Boach Man, thanks for coming on. 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: Of course. Of course, I'm just telling you earlier. There's 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: not a whole lot I can do here right now 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 2: in Nashville, got icy roads, it's below freezing, so we're 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: all staying indoors right now. 12 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: When are you heading the spring training? 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to go with March, the first part of March. 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: I'll be there the whole month though, so looking forward 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: to it, looking forward to getting to know these players. 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: I've seen the younger players as well. I'll shoot over 17 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: to watch minor leaguers, to catch up with everybody. Of course, 18 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: the staff, you know, Tony and I we we've met 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: a couple of times. But yeah, it's gonna be, uh, 20 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: you know, the exciting time for me. I'm getting back 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: to Bay Area. I'm looking forward to it. 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's My next question, welcome back. How does it 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: feel to be with the Giants again. 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: Oh? It feels great. You see me with the orange. 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: You know, I'm excited. Yeah, And you know what, I 26 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: didn't know if I was going to, you know, take 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: a year or two off, or if I, you know, 28 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: would do something like this. But talking to Buster, I 29 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: just you know, he had mentioned earlier, you know that 30 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 2: may I'm I'm a Giant, and I feel like that 31 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: that's that's my home. It's spent thirteen years there. So 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: I'm excited to you know, just stay in the game. 33 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: I'm in a good place right now. 34 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: Go. 35 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: I have to make a lot of those decisions that 36 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: managers have to make this time of year. But it's 37 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: gonna be uh, you know, exciting for you know, the 38 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: family too. They're looking forward to it. I have a 39 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: son that's a firefighter there. I'll get to see him 40 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: quite a bit. Well, that's cool. 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: We're also glad to have you back. Talk about Buster 42 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: a little bit, like what's your guys relationship, like now, 43 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: how's it evolved from a player to now president of 44 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: Baseball Operations And what do you think about the job 45 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: he's doing so far? 46 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, of course it's going to change from 47 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: manager to player to what it is now now he's 48 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: my boss. But I think more importantly, you know, we're 49 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 2: just probably closer friends now. You know, you always have 50 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: a little distance as a manager. That just comes natural. 51 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: I believe this is my second time though, that I've 52 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: had a player that ended up being my boss with 53 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: Chris Young they're in Texas and now with Buster. But no, 54 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: we've been texting, you know when he makes these moves. 55 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,399 Speaker 2: I get excited about him. I just getting baiter out, 56 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: fire off a text, just keep up with everything. So no, 57 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: we and that was a big reason why I wanted 58 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: to come, because of Buster being there and being the president. 59 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we talk about the organization right now. 60 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: Boach and a lot of Giants fans are watching this 61 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: and maybe they're not happy with all the signs this offseason, 62 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: but to me, it's more of a big pitcher thing. 63 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: We have the right people in the right place, you. 64 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: Dusty, Buster, guys that have won championships before, and maybe 65 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: you could just talk about the direction the organization is 66 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: heading and your feelings about that. 67 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, first of all, I think they have a 68 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 2: really good foundation. I mean, you look at the lineup, 69 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: I think it's a team that's going to put runs 70 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: on the board this year. You know, you don't have 71 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: Devors for a full year. You know, you had a 72 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: couple of guys, the three guys that could hit thirty 73 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: plus home runs in the lineup. It's I think it's 74 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: a fairly young lineup, you know, when you're looking at 75 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what Willie is probably thirty 76 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: years old, and Endeavors is around in that area. So 77 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: but anyway, I think they've added some important pieces to 78 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: the lineup, a guy like Bata. I know they wanted 79 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: to improve the defense. I've always been pitching centric. I've 80 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: always loved defense, especially in that ballpark. So I like 81 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: what they've done to the rotation. Uh, you know, as always, 82 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: it's just it's gonna be a key to keep that 83 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: rotation healthy because those guys that they're going to throw 84 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: out there, you start with Webb and Ray and of 85 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: course Maley, you know Adrian Hauser. Uh, you know, those 86 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: guys are going to give you a chance to win 87 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: when when they go out there, and the bullpen always 88 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: plays a huge part of your season. So we'll see 89 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: how that goes but they have good arms down there, 90 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: and uh so I think they're they're adding some nice pieces. 91 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 2: Uh and you know, some some good pieces of work with. 92 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: And as as always, you don't know how the year 93 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: is going to go. It takes the life of its own. 94 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 2: But you know, these guys do what you know we 95 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: expect them to do. You know, it's gonna be a 96 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: nice year. It's a tough division, no getting around it. 97 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: But so I can't tell you what's going to happen 98 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: from this point to spring or even until the season starts. 99 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: But I think they've added some nice pieces. 100 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the bullpen a little bit, like there 101 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: was nobody better I don't think in the history of 102 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: the game of managing a bullpen, and when you talk 103 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: about how important that is in today's game, and maybe 104 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: what's going on with the giant situation. A lot of 105 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: times you see managers burn a bullpen out early in 106 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: the season. They got nothing left. In October, the guys 107 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: are all gassed, Like, what was your philosophy on how 108 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: to run a bullpen? 109 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tony asked me that question. That was one 110 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: of the questions he asked me when we get together 111 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: here in Nashville, and you know, I like to say 112 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: there's a secret sauce, but every year is different. You 113 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: got to adapt to the bullpen that you have. You 114 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: may have a frontline closer like a Hoffman or Wilson, 115 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: and then you know, we kind of piece it together 116 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: when we didn't have that one closer, cause see I 117 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: did probably the lying share of it, but we had 118 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: to adjust there with him. And so it's just, you know, 119 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: hopefully you get the arms that you can get the 120 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: matchups that you want, Guys that are I call them men, 121 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: and you know, guys that they're winners because they're coming 122 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: in with the game on the line, and so you 123 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: want the type of player that wants to be out 124 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: there then. And so I think this bullpen has some 125 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 2: really good arms. They got some nice lefties and rightings, 126 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: you know, to get the matchups that they want. Games 127 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: change a little bit with that three battered minimum, where 128 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: I had Romo and Lopez and I you know, i'd 129 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: move those two around quite a bit. But so now 130 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: they have some good arms and you're getting Folly who 131 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 2: has a really nice arm. Hopefully he'll be back I 132 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 2: think in May, so he'll make that bullpen even better. 133 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: Bach was just in fantasy camp in Scottsdale and Jeremy 134 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: I felt had a team. He was one of the coaches. 135 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: So there was a lot of boat stories. 136 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: Going on in the coach his room. 137 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: I mean, he was telling me about how influential you 138 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: were on his career. 139 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a lot of fun. He's he's a 140 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: lot of fun to get on, to have some fun with, 141 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: and he takes it well. But he was so valuable 142 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: in that bullpen. You need a guy like that, a 143 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: guy who can go multiple innings face left. He's some 144 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: rioting's who's resilient. Uh. You know, I didn't give him 145 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: a lot of days off. He could handle it. Had 146 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: it had you know, his ups and downs, like all 147 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: bullpen guys, but he handled it well. And uh that's 148 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: the key to a team. That's the key to the player, 149 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: every individuals you're is being resilient. So, but he just 150 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: had a great way of about, you know, not making 151 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: baseball his his sense of significance. You know, he took 152 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: the game seriously, but he didn't take himself so seriously, 153 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: and he kept everybody loose down there, and a lot 154 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: of fun, a lot of and I still you know, 155 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: we still take all the time. We stay close. Fact, 156 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: I must see him here a couple of weeks here 157 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: at this Safari Club. 158 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that relationship you have with all your players, I 159 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: mean you talk about when you win a world championship 160 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: that just brings everybody so close together, and you guys have. 161 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: A bond for life. 162 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure you stay in touch with a lot of 163 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: your players. 164 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah you do. I mean's face it, I mean 165 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: you've been there. You're together for one hundred and sixty 166 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: two all count spring training, over two hundred games. You 167 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 2: do become like a family, probably, you know, as years ago. 168 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: Not I should keep in touch a little bit more. 169 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: But you know, we have some group techs with all 170 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: the teams I've been with, so I try to keep 171 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: track of everybody, and I look forward to the reunions 172 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: things like that. And like I said, I'm looking forward 173 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: to just getting back to bear A and seeing a 174 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: lot of these guys. I talked to Wodas a couple 175 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: of days ago, just touch base with him, and you know, 176 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: these guys meant so much to me, Righetti, Wotas, Flannery, 177 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: and but we do keep in touch. 178 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: You talk about all the teams you managed, and you 179 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: mentioned Trevor Hoffman, and I played against you guys in 180 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight and I know you've won four World Series, 181 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: but that had to be one of the most talented 182 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: teams you ever managed. I mean there were superstars everywhere 183 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: on that San Diego Padres nineteen ninety eighteen. 184 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was. You know, it's probably one of 185 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 2: my biggest disappointments that we didn't win the World Series 186 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: because we were talented. I remember going to spring training 187 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: and thinking, this team's going to do something special. I 188 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: mean we, as I said, we had men all around 189 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: that field. Came an Eddie vond and Walie Joiner, I mean, 190 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: Tony Gwynn. These guys were a close knit group too, 191 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: and we got to the World Series. Of course we 192 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: ran in a juggernaut Yankees. You know, that's that's the 193 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: year they had that incredible season, and but it was 194 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: a special year in that group. The group texts and 195 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: they all stay close together, and it just shows you 196 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: how important you know the culture of the chemistry that 197 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: you create, what the team is and you see why 198 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 2: you know that team won or our giant teams, they 199 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: were very close knit group. 200 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: What would Bruce Bochie after twenty eight seasons and all 201 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 1: your accomplishments, and tell a young Bruce Bochi, excuse me, 202 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: tell a young Bruce Bochie maybe in nineteen ninety five, 203 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: when you first started managing, with all your experience, what 204 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: would you tell the rookie manager in nineteen ninety five, Well, ninety. 205 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: Five, I'll tell you what I want. I told myself 206 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: is to delegate a little bit more. When I first 207 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: started in ninety five, I did everything. I ran the meetings, 208 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: you know, talk about how we were going to pitch 209 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 2: the hitters, where we were going to play them. And 210 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: then after a couple of years of that, I said, 211 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: well this is I'm not going to last long doing 212 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: everything here. And you know, if you're the smartest guy 213 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: in the room, then you're in the wrong room. Because 214 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: you know, these these staff, the staff that you hired 215 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 2: at pitching coaches and and uh base coaches. You know, 216 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: they all all have their expertise, and uh so I 217 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: would have told myself use those guys. I had Davey 218 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: Lopes for example, first base, you know, so I let 219 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: him run to the base run and hey, if you 220 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: think they can steal it, uh you got something on 221 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: these pitchers, send them so uh that's where it would 222 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: have started. Uh. After that, probably uh you know, maybe 223 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: be a little bit more patient, you know, And I 224 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 2: know I would show frustration to doug out and things, 225 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, a couple of snaps you feel 226 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: bad about because a lot of people look at me 227 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: and they say, ah, you know, he just seems so calm, 228 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: but don't don't let that bly what's going on underneath? 229 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: And you know, kicking the buckets and they would have 230 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: some last one time I put that stuck in the bucket, 231 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: and you know, it's just it's just uh, you know, 232 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: it's just something that I probably would have told myself, 233 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: which I think that's why I you know, the way 234 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 2: I end up managing the last three four or five 235 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: years was just being a little bit more more patient 236 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: and realized how hard the game is. 237 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: Well, what's your impressions of Tony so far and what's 238 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: going to be his biggest challenge? 239 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he's very impressive. Man, He's gonna be fine. 240 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: He's got a great way about him. He's smart, he 241 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: understands baseball. You know, he's been doing this long time. Yeah, 242 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: you know, been you know, coaching, wearing different hats, and 243 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: so he has a great feel for the game. Obviously, 244 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 2: the biggest challenge is all the games that you're playing. 245 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: And I don't think he's ever lost sixty seventy games 246 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 2: in a season, so you know, you've got to deal 247 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: with that, you know. Of course, you know the workload 248 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: on the players college. You can run him out there 249 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: every game, but those guys are need the rest, particularly 250 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: the bullpen. You know that those guys that you got 251 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: to just keep an eye on. Well, he's got two 252 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: nice pitching coaches there that will help him. Of course, Tingler, 253 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 2: he's managed, he's going to bring that experience, and Washington 254 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: to be there to help him out, and of course 255 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: the Dusty and I were there to help. We're there 256 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: any anything he wants to ask or talk about. You know, 257 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: we're there for him and we want to help him succeed. 258 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: I want to see the Giants win another championship. That's 259 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: that's the biggest reason why I'm here. 260 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: That's awesome Giants fans. I love to hear that. Butach 261 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: I managed an a ball in San Jose and the 262 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: game was moving so. 263 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: Fast for me. 264 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: I'm coaching third base I'm putting on signs I got 265 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: to get a guy up in the bullpen. Is the 266 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: speed of all that and maybe the speed of the 267 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: major league game going to be a big challenge for 268 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: Tony or is it just baseball's Baseball's baseball? 269 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 2: You know what it could be? You know, again, not 270 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: ever coaching college, but I'm sure moves were made in 271 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: the college game too. But you know, the biggest thing 272 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: is just being prepared, don't be surprised, and so that's 273 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: what you have to tell yourself, and you do that 274 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: before the game, so you know you're you're ready for 275 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 2: any anything that comes up. And that's uh, you know, 276 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: that's where a guy like Tingler is going to help 277 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: out too. H even the pitching coach. Uh, you know, 278 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: I started relying on coaches more too. Just give me 279 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: my options, you know. I you know, I did my 280 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: own thing, but I want to woe to say, Okay, 281 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: well I'm missing something here. This is what I'm going 282 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: to do. And Ronnie was great, Rags was great, and 283 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: so that's that that will be an important part of 284 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: the game. 285 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: So open lines of communication. You mentioned Tyler Mallee earlier 286 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: newest Giant pitcher one of the newest Giants pitcher. 287 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: You managed him. 288 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: What can you tell Giants fans about Tyler Malley. 289 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the guy, you know, I was. I 290 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: was behind this move. Leave me. He was so good 291 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: before we got hurt key up. We're got to keep 292 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: this guy. Hell the uh he's a really good competitor. 293 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: He's like a number one or two when he's on 294 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: the mound and he's healthy, throwing well, we had you know, 295 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: Valdi and de gram on that staff, and he was 296 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: thrown as well, not even a little better than them 297 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: before his injuries. So he's got he's a four pitch guy. 298 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: You know. He's hit that riding fastball. He's got great command, 299 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: he's got a nice split to work with, and he'll 300 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: mixing the breaking ball and good poy. He's uh just 301 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: sounds away, getting tougher with men on base, good teammates, 302 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: a lot of good qualities. Yeah, he's he's he made 303 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: this better staff when he when he joined us. 304 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: He said, riding fastball, that's awesome. That's old school. Everybody 305 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: says spin right right now. In the videos I've seen 306 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: of Tyler Mally, he's throwing like ninety one and ninety 307 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: two pass guys late in the county, elevates the fastball 308 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: and it looks like it's playing up to like ninety 309 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: seven ninety eight. 310 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually right. And don't look at him, you know, 311 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: coming in throwing harder than that. You know he'll bump 312 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: ninety two ninety three. But you know that's he just 313 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: got you know, that good ride extension all that, It 314 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: just jumps on them. And uh, he'll use it too. 315 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: He's got a lot of confidence and uh, but the 316 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: biggest thing is this command. He can pitch on it. 317 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: I had all four quadrants as well as anybody. 318 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: All right, switching gears a little bit to the Hall 319 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: of Fame. What does that mean to you? Getting into 320 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame based on all the hard work 321 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: you put in, everything you've done in the game of 322 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: baseball for so many years. 323 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: Well, I'll start with I'm not into Hall of Fame. Uh. 324 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 2: Well you know that that. 325 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: That I meant getting into the Hall of Fame? 326 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: What what would that means? You would be a better 327 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: That's that decision will be made by people. But you 328 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: know what it's it's just hard to wrap my head 329 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: around that. You know, I just see the Hall of Fame, 330 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: you know, for the great players, you know, the benches 331 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: and and Willie Mays and those guys. Of course, I'm 332 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: not going in as a player, I get that. Uh, 333 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: as a manager, it's kind of it dis blows your 334 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: way when when that comes up. The question comes up 335 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: to me a lot, and uh it's it's just horror 336 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: for me again to you know, to think that that's 337 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 2: a pulse the possibility, because that's such a high pinnacle 338 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 2: that I never even thought about that when I started managing. 339 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 2: When I started managing minor leagues, I didn't know if 340 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: I was going to manage in the major leagues. And 341 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: now you know, this talk, this Hall of Fame talk 342 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: has been coming up in the last couple of years, 343 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 2: and uh so it is. It's it's very humbling, and 344 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. 345 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: From Spokane to the Hall of Fame. That'd be pretty cool. 346 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: I saw your first year you were like, I don't know, 347 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: ten or fifteen games over in Able. What was that 348 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: like going from I mean I did a too quick boach. 349 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: I jumped out, retired and then got right into coaching. 350 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: And I wasn't ready for that transition. I was still 351 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: taking in deal with the guys jumping into groups at 352 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: batting practice. What was that transition like for you? 353 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And if I 354 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 2: if I was to the minor leagues manager, I would 355 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 2: have been fine. Spokane especially was a great way for 356 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 2: me to start because of these young kids coming in 357 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 2: and you have to deal with so many different things 358 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: in the minor leagues, as you probably found out, you know, 359 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 2: anything from you know, family issues, homesick things like that. 360 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: So it just teaches you how to deal with the 361 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: different personalities, you know what, learned how what makes guys tick. 362 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: You got to look under the hood at all these 363 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 2: players and see how you have to adapt to coaching them. 364 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 2: So it was just a great experience for me. I 365 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: loved it. Now you brought up the you know, coaching 366 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: the minor leagues, you brought up some good things too. 367 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: You did everything in the minor leagues. You coach third, 368 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: you had to make the moves, you had to think 369 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 2: about the pitching, you had to you know, keep make 370 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: sure the lineup card was straight in the dugout and all. 371 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: And and that really helped her pair of me for 372 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: managing them in the major leagues. Actually it was easier 373 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: to major leagues when once I was up there as 374 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: far as the game, because you know, you you don't 375 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 2: get a chance to drift mentally as a minor league 376 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: manager because you get so many different things you got 377 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: to do, and you might be out in that third 378 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: base coaching box and so you're trying to communicate your 379 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: pitching coach whatever. But yeah, that's you know, just a 380 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 2: special time my years in the minor leagues. Yeah. 381 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, who broke the lamp in the hotel room. You 382 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about in the big leagues. 383 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: Stuff like that. 384 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: Felipe gave me some great advice. He was managing the 385 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: Giants at the time, and he said, Frankie, make sure 386 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: that your players get there before you. The biggest mistake 387 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: minor league coaches make is they want to climb that 388 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: ladder and get to the big leagues as coaches and 389 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: and and they they lose focus. And he said, make 390 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: sure your guys get there before you. And when you 391 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: walk into that major league clubhouse someday, obviously I transition 392 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: to broadcasting, all those guys will be thankful that you 393 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: helped them get to the big leagues. 394 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love for Lebay. First of all, I got 395 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: to start there. You're talking about Hall of Fame. I 396 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: think this guy should go into Hall of Fame with 397 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: what he did as a player. What he did is 398 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 2: a manager, broke barriers for the Latin players coming from 399 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 2: the Dominican. But yeah, we're very close, and he was 400 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: kind of he was like a mentor to me. I 401 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: would pick his brain, you know him, He's got that 402 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 2: great wisdom, these great sayings, and in fact, in San Francisco, 403 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: he's in my office all the time. In spring training, 404 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: he was there every day. And still keep in touch 405 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: with him. But yeah, the special Man. 406 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be talking to you if it wasn't 407 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,479 Speaker 1: for him. He was a guy that called me up 408 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: to the big leagues and he's one of the biggest 409 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: influences of my life. I'm sure there's a lot of 410 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: players that feel the same about you. Okay, we'll end 411 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: on this one A fun one. Your six all time 412 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: in managerial ejections with eighty nine. Tony's Italian. He's kind 413 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: of fiery, like we both get that, right, you give it? Tony, 414 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: any advice about how he answer umpires, I don't. I 415 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: don't think there's a lot of ways to get ejected now, 416 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: especially with the ABS coming next year. But like you know, 417 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: you talked about kicking buckets in the dugout. You were 418 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: pretty famous for snapping on umpires. 419 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, though, great point. It's gonna be hard 420 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: for anybody to get thrown well, Bobby Coxon never get approached. 421 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: But even you know, if you get eighty nine, I mean, 422 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 2: that's I mean, it's not crazy, but that's a lot. 423 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: I don't see that happening now. I mean, we're there's 424 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: no argument anywhere because you can replay everything. You know, 425 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: the ABS, that's that's going to change. That was your 426 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 2: last chance get thrown out on pitches and if you 427 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: use them up with shame on you. That's your fault. 428 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 2: And and so I don't see guys getting thrown out 429 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: anymore now, you know, occasionally you have, they'll do it, 430 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: replay and they'll reverse it, and the manager, you know, 431 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: still go out there and argue, which I never never did. 432 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: That never understood it. I did want to. And I 433 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: take that back. Jonah Hine. They got they got him 434 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: for blocking the plate against the White Sox. He wasn't 435 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 2: even in front of the home plate. They overruled. You know, 436 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: the blocking the plate deal, but yeah, that's that's pretty 437 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: much gone. So you know the Billy Martin's and Losorda's 438 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 2: and you know those Panela was the best, but those 439 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 2: those acts, you know, I think baseball will miss. 440 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're sterilizing the game a lot right now. All right, Bach, 441 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: I'll let you go. Man, Thank you so much for 442 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: coming on. I really really appreciate the podcast is new, 443 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 1: it's just starting out. A lot of Giants fans are 444 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: paying attention. We're all so happy that you're back in 445 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: the Orange and Black, and I know you're such a 446 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: valuable resource to Tony and the whole organization. I look 447 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: forward to seeing in Scottsdale, Boach. 448 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: Hey, back at you. I look forward to it. See 449 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: you soon.