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Speaker 7: lead story, lead story, which is Ilia Topodia. So shame

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Speaker 7: So I guess a couple of lead stories. When it

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Speaker 7: them directly. In recent months, I have been subjected to

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Speaker 5: Relationship troubles are never easy to deal with, especially you know,

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Speaker 9: Everyone has a great chin until they don't, right.

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Speaker 7: by unanimous decisions. So doesn't really need to do much more, right,

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Speaker 7: you win like this? Right there is the presence of

435
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Speaker 7: tatsu Ro Tira. But you know one thing that the

436
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Speaker 7: Anak and Florian Fighting Championships is not necessarily privy to

437
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Speaker 7: is some of those maybe internal metrics, right, like because

438
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Speaker 7: certainly the promotion internally can be desirous of a certain

439
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Speaker 7: individual to be champion because a division maybe makes them

440
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Speaker 7: five times as much money. When you know Jack Dela

441
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Speaker 7: Madeline is the welterweight champion versus Blam Muhammad, I don't

442
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Speaker 7: really know, right, and I don't know how much they

443
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Speaker 7: want a Japanese champion, right and if that is front

444
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Speaker 7: of mind, does Tatsuro Tyra get prioritized over Manel Cop,

445
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Speaker 7: but manel Cop does not have a recent loss like

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Speaker 7: Tyra does. So you know, if this were the Anak

447
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Speaker 7: and Florian Fighting Championships, Ken Flow, you have Joshua Van,

448
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 7: you have Pantosa already working out with one arm.

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Speaker 9: You know.

450
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Speaker 7: I bring it up in the context of a young

451
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Speaker 7: champion who does not have a scratch on him and

452
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Speaker 7: a need for title fights in the first quarter. So

453
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Speaker 7: what do you think they do with Joshua Van. Do

454
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Speaker 7: you think they wait for Pantosa maybe April May ambitiously,

455
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Speaker 7: or do you think they turn him around against Tyra

456
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Speaker 7: or Copp And if so, who's your choice.

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Speaker 9: I think they'll turn him around.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that Pantosa is going to be ready

459
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Speaker 5: to go, and again, it's not just a fight, it's

460
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Speaker 5: the fight. He's fighting for the world championship and trying

461
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Speaker 5: to get that back, so I'd imagine he'd want to

462
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Speaker 5: be as close to one hundred percent as possible, especially

463
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Speaker 5: going against someone like Van who's so dangerous. So I

464
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Speaker 5: think they'll probably turn him around. And I think they're

465
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Speaker 5: looking for an exciting fight in this one, and the

466
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Speaker 5: more exciting fight. To me, it would be against menel

467
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Speaker 5: cop These are two elite strikers who are not going

468
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Speaker 5: to be afraid to look for the knockout, to get

469
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Speaker 5: the ko from the get go. Both these guys are

470
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Speaker 5: durable and dangerous, and I think that's the making for

471
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Speaker 5: a classic fight.

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Speaker 7: Gosh, what a difference a week makes. What a difference

473
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Speaker 7: a week makes, And I need to just be more

474
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Speaker 7: thoughtful in terms of my foresight, just as an MMA fan,

475
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Speaker 7: I think with a microphone. But yeah, Kenny, I mean

476
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Speaker 7: it really makes a lot of sense, and I absolutely

477
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Speaker 7: agree with you on to quivocally. Pantosha is not going

478
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Speaker 7: to be next, not because he doesn't deserve it on merit,

479
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Speaker 7: but he is a guy who leaves no stone unturned

480
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Speaker 7: with the Everton Olavaro when it comes to the strength

481
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Speaker 7: and conditioning. Pantosia, with all of American top team behind him,

482
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Speaker 7: is going to fight whoever is the champion, and I

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Speaker 7: guess hopefully we get that Pantosha Joshua Van fight. I

484
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Speaker 7: think that's part of the issue, is well, right, Van

485
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Speaker 7: wants Pantosia, Pantosia wants Van, and the nature of this

486
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Speaker 7: game is such and the embarrassment of riches in the

487
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Speaker 7: UFC Men's flyweight division right now on December fifteen, twenty

488
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Speaker 7: twenty five, is such that you have two number one

489
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Speaker 7: contenders that are ready willing and able, and all these

490
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Speaker 7: guys are healthy and heals's wealth. Manel Copp will tell

491
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Speaker 7: you that. So we'll see what happens. But uh, congratulations

492
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Speaker 7: to Manel starboy Coop and he just he has star power.

493
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Speaker 7: He just does, you know, does not the tyra doesn't.

494
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Speaker 7: But you know, one man speaks English and one does not.

495
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Speaker 7: Does Kevin Bajecos speak English? But because that might be

496
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Speaker 7: useful for him as well, so he ge Chikadze had

497
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Speaker 7: long held onto a ranking and that now belongs to

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Speaker 7: Kevin bud jehos Uh spinning attack hand flow, the follow

499
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Speaker 7: up elbows and comes at one twenty nine round two.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we do know he is fluent in spinning backfists

501
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 5: and yeahs again. In a similar fit in that he

502
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 5: backed toa Kadse up against the cage, he knew that

503
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Speaker 5: he only had one place to go and that was

504
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Speaker 5: to Chikadse's left to Bajeros is right and uh and

505
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Speaker 5: he threw.

506
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Speaker 9: That spinning backfist beautifully.

507
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Speaker 5: I was a little concerned during that fight because it

508
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Speaker 5: seemed like Kevin was kind of hanging out on the

509
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Speaker 5: outside in the perfect range for Giga Higatse to kind

510
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Speaker 5: of do his thing, and was eating a lot of

511
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Speaker 5: body cakes, a lot of kicks of the head.

512
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Speaker 9: And I was like, what is he doing. He's not

513
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Speaker 9: getting into boxing range.

514
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Speaker 5: And then finally was able to back Giga up with

515
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Speaker 5: some shots that I think Stunn didn't hurt him.

516
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Speaker 9: I mean when he once he got him up.

517
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Speaker 5: Against the cage, that spinning backfist, you know, really kind

518
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 5: of did him in. Followed up with elbows and shut

519
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 5: and punches after that and it was all over. But man,

520
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 5: this this Argentinian has got too crazy power. I mean

521
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Speaker 5: you look, you look at his build and you're like,

522
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Speaker 5: this is a powerful dude, uh for that weight class.

523
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Speaker 9: And you know, Kika's no joke. This is a world

524
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Speaker 9: class striker.

525
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Speaker 5: That he knocked out. So uh again, this is one

526
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Speaker 5: that you know, people should continue to watch, not unlike

527
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Speaker 5: Islamikashev's grip strength. When you mentioned sort of the power,

528
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Speaker 5: and I think about Kevin Bajos and Manuel Torres and

529
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 5: Carlos protests and some of these guys that really don't

530
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Speaker 5: even have to hit you with more than a knuckle,

531
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Speaker 5: and it's gonna be interesting to see how far he

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Speaker 5: can take it. I'm intrigued, I really am.

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Speaker 7: I mean, there are a lot of intriguing powerful feather

534
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Speaker 7: right featherweights right now, Steve Mee Machine Garcia. He'll be

535
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Speaker 7: featured on our Best of show at the end of

536
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Speaker 7: the year, but my goodness, man, and seeing Santiago Pons

537
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Speaker 7: and Ebio celebrate with him was very cool as well.

538
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Speaker 7: So yeah, I think they got something in uh In

539
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Speaker 7: Kevin Badjekos. By the way, Kenny, did you ever train

540
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Speaker 7: with Alex Garcia at TriStar Ah?

541
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was actually one of my main training part Yes, John.

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Speaker 7: Cody, do you have one of those? I need one

543
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 7: of those like wire s things. He's not breaking news, right, yeah, right,

544
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Speaker 7: that's an idea I don't want. It's not breaking news.

545
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 7: It's not breaking news. MMA Fighting dot com byline Mike

546
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Speaker 7: has Lead says a former UFC fighter is reportedly in

547
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Speaker 7: hot water. Per the report, ex UFC Welterwaite Alice Garcia,

548
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Speaker 7: who is built like a backyard shed. It doesn't say that.

549
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought he was Hector Lombard when I walked

550
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Speaker 5: into try Oh yeah, first time.

551
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Speaker 9: Like I literally he's anyways ahead.

552
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Speaker 7: One of three people arrested after the anti gang unit

553
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Speaker 7: seized one hundred and two grams of cocaine and what

554
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Speaker 7: is being described as a major raid. Per the report,

555
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Speaker 7: cocaine amount value at one point seven million US dollars.

556
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Speaker 7: They also recover twenty leaders of GHB gamma hydroxy buty rate,

557
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Speaker 7: approximately five kilograms of heroin, three hundred and six thous

558
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Speaker 7: in cash.

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Speaker 9: Wow, this has to be a terrible coincidence, John, what.

560
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Speaker 7: You're saying it was Lombard? No, I was, hey, so,

561
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Speaker 7: uh that was planted on him.

562
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Speaker 9: Clearly, this is ridiculous.

563
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 7: No, I and I don't intend to uh to to

564
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Speaker 7: uh laugh at somebody else's uh you know, but that's uh,

565
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Speaker 7: that's some hot water. Indeed. Yeah, I think so your

566
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 7: former training partner, how those training sessions go. He looks

567
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 7: pretty strong.

568
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Speaker 9: He's a he's a big, strong dude. You know.

569
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Speaker 5: I had a little more experience at the time, so

570
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 5: I used to do okay against him, but uh, he

571
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Speaker 5: was a beast. And I tell you what, he is

572
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Speaker 5: a funny and nice guy and all the interactions that

573
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Speaker 5: I had with him. Hard worker, you know, we we

574
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Speaker 5: would go from training a try star to going to

575
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Speaker 5: wrestling practice and going back to try star working ours.

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Speaker 9: He was one of my favorite training partners. He really was.

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Speaker 7: Man. Yeah, there you go.

578
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Speaker 9: That's a good little news.

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Speaker 7: The Anakin Florid former right Alex Garcie in some hot water,

580
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Speaker 7: Welcome to the.

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Speaker 9: Sky do it all?

582
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Speaker 7: Coming up in through Mennas. Thanks everybody joining us live

583
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Speaker 7: here today actually potentially one of the last episodes on

584
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Speaker 7: the Drafts Network, So if you are watching there, we

585
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 7: appreciate the ever living daylights out of you. We will

586
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Speaker 7: talk to ray coming up about Manel cop and some

587
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 7: sort of year end items with Raymond Kenny Melkaziel Costa

588
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 7: puts the stone slash finishing touch on a four there

589
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Speaker 7: with a partially blocked head kick at one fourteen of

590
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Speaker 7: round one. Some restraint from Costa to I'll throw a

591
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 7: follow up shot. Rev got in quickly. No bonus for Costa,

592
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 7: at least at least on the reported front, but right

593
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Speaker 7: big twenty twenty five for the Dalmatian milk isil Costa.

594
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Speaker 5: My goodness, that sounded like a home run shot. You

595
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 5: know the sound of that. I don't know if it

596
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 5: was hitting the form or followed through to hit the head,

597
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 5: but my goodness. You know, Chario is an excellent striker

598
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 5: and Elkisil Costa is a very dangerous striker as well,

599
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 5: and he caught Charier with the hand a little bit

600
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 5: low and maybe perhaps not out enough or braced enough

601
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Speaker 5: to withstand the impact. Just because you have your hand

602
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 5: up in front of your face does not mean you

603
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 5: are protected, especially against a hard kick that Costa threw.

604
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 5: It went right through his defense, knocked him out, and

605
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 5: I loved the restraint and the composure of Costa to

606
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 5: not follow up. He knew his opponent was out and

607
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 5: he walked away just a brilliant ko.

608
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Speaker 9: That ruined my parlay.

609
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 7: It did, But you still did beat Brian Petrie, so

610
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 7: we congratulate you on winning the main event challenge. By

611
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 7: the way, for twenty twenty five, it was really a runaway.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you led I think since February, if not

613
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Speaker 7: wal to Wall so.

614
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 5: I did, but I'm still encountering that fourth quarter slub, John,

615
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 5: I gotta do something about that.

616
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Speaker 9: Only twenty six.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's a really hard thing. Right, And you

618
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 7: know you guys are third party tracked. We have a

619
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 7: third party me or Jason Annik tracking you guys, you

620
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 7: know what I mean. And you know, for a lot

621
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Speaker 7: of people out there that profess to hit fifty eight percent,

622
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 7: I just hope your third party tracked. You know, how

623
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,239
Speaker 7: would I do handicapping MMA? One thing I could assure you,

624
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 7: the intel gained in fighter meetings doesn't or wouldn't pay

625
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 7: dividends at the window, you know what I mean. So

626
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 7: I don't think I would do particularly well betting on

627
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 7: MMA annually. There's certain spots, for example, and I'll peel

628
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 7: back the curtain a little bit, like when Alex Paneda

629
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 7: is rematching magabt anklive having nothing to do with what

630
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 7: happens in the fighter meeting, and maybe unclav wasn't able

631
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 7: to train in certain ways. None of that crossed my

632
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 7: wake during the week, yep. But when I see Alex

633
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 7: Pedata plus money in a rematch with magabet Anclive and

634
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 7: I see sort of the energy that's emanating off of

635
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 7: that individual during fight week, and I know what sort

636
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 7: of the first fight held, you know, yeah, that probably

637
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 7: would have been a good night for me at the

638
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 7: window if if I was contractually able to bet on

639
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 7: on mixed martial arts anything else from UFC Fight Night,

640
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 7: Roy Val versus Cop. We had Cesario Lekshigak with a

641
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 7: win over, saysra al Mata. You know I thought he

642
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 7: was pretty clean and winning thirty twenty seven, and not

643
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 7: to suggest that Yarslav Amasov who got the anacondo over

644
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 7: Neil Magne. Can you know, spin this thing forward as

645
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 7: expeditiously as like a ran near de Ritter, but a

646
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 7: former champion coming up some other things on the UFC

647
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Speaker 7: Fight Night, and we're gonna actually get to those with

648
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Speaker 7: longo in about sixty seconds. But you heard us reference

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Speaker 7: Ray Long Minute.

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Speaker 3: It is now time for the Ray Longo Minute.

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Speaker 9: A homeless fucking.

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Speaker 3: Such long the Ray Longo Minute. John Annik and Kenny

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Speaker 3: Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 7: Oh Yeah, Hey, Oh, good day, Raymond.

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Speaker 4: How are we feeling, guys?

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00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 7: I'm okay. I mean, I got a lot of guilt

681
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 7: in my personal and professional life. You know, I set

682
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 7: off the top of the show. They set off the

683
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 7: top of the show. I feel like I just am

684
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 7: too reactionary. I'm too reactionary, you know what I mean?

685
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 7: Like I'm anointing Tatsuro tier the best flyweight in the

686
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 7: world after he beats Brandon ma Reno. I don't give

687
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 7: him anel Kopp a chance to compete in his main

688
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 7: event and do something special, you know. And I gave

689
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 7: John Wood my Coach of the Year in June, and

690
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 7: you know he's probably no longer the Coach of the year,

691
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 7: you know what I mean? Like I just got a chill.

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00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean what you think one fight makes a difference.

693
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Speaker 7: Well, it's interesting when you talk about Morob Dwallash willis

694
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 7: the Fighter of the Year, and we're gonna do our

695
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 7: awards in January and a lot of big news coming

696
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 7: up in terms of the Anak and Floring podcast in

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00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 7: twenty twenty six. But who's the fighter of the year,

698
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 7: right I don't want to necessarily reveal my hand right now,

699
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 7: but there's certainly the strongest of arguments to be make

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00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 7: Raymond that Mirob Dwallas Willie on the strength of three

701
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 7: title defenses during the year, no matter what happened December sixth,

702
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 7: is the fighter of the Year for twenty twenty five.

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00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would, I mean, I would think that. I

704
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 4: don't know. I think that's pretty obvious. I mean, the

705
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 4: guy did some stuff that is really going to be

706
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 4: hard to duplicate. So I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Kenny, I'll give you a chance to marinate on the

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00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 7: Fight of the year, Fighter of the Year, and then

709
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 7: we'll get you in here. I didn't intend to go

710
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 7: in this direction, no, but hear me out just for

711
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 7: a second, and God loved john Wood. Okay, I'm just

712
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 7: a fucking talking head that probably needs to get punched

713
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 7: hard in the face. But more Navis or more from

714
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 7: South Africa my coaches. Last year, he cornered Dreakis or

715
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 7: maybe it was the year before, but he corners Dreaks

716
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 7: to this monumental win and then you know he's not

717
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 7: going to compete for another four or five months, and

718
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 7: he wraps up Coach of the Year for me. Right,

719
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 7: But john Wood has a lot of different athletes, and

720
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 7: for me, I guess based upon these two losses, which

721
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 7: I to be one sided, for Jeongwae Lee and Marob

722
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 7: Dwallish Willy in these two huge spots, it reopens the

723
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 7: conversation for me, and I think that's only fair, right,

724
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 7: Like those were big spots for jeongwe Lee and Marob

725
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 7: duallash WILLI And so that is sort of the lasting

726
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 7: taste in my mouth. And I was trying to hand

727
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 7: out hardware in July. So, Kenny, what do you make

728
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 7: of all of that?

729
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 9: Josh, There's a lot there, you know.

730
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 5: I think with Morob and everything he did, he had

731
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 5: an insane year, no question about it. Maybe bit off

732
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 5: a little bit, you know, more than he could chew,

733
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 5: but went against a guy and peotr Yan who maybe

734
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 5: deserves it as well. That performance was one of the

735
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 5: best performances I've seen period, especially when you talk about

736
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 5: the complexity of solving something like a Morob.

737
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 9: Dullish really, you know, no one really had an answer

738
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 9: to that.

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00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 5: And the fact that Peter Yon was able to do

740
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 5: it and do it in dynamic fashion I think speaks

741
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 5: volumes about his level of skill.

742
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 9: But also you look at Morob.

743
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 5: And what he did, and again the levels of skill

744
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 5: that he faced amazing.

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00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 9: But you know, there's a lot of different ways you

746
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 9: can go.

747
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 5: You know, it's unfortunate that Joshua Van won in the

748
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 5: way that he did because that almost hurts his chances

749
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 5: in my mind, you know when you look at his

750
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 5: schedule and that's quick turnaround against Roy Vall and all that.

751
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 5: But anyways, I still got to do more research. I'm

752
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 5: not giving my fighter or the year out yet. John, Yeah, no,

753
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 5: you don't have to. You don't have to.

754
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 4: I mean, look, you're raising good you're raising some good

755
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: points because I know, you know, in boxing forever, it's like,

756
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 4: really you define a great fight for for a guy

757
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 4: that comes back and beats a guy that beat him.

758
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 4: That was that always held I think even Sugar Ray Robinson,

759
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 4: I think they based a lot of stuff on that too.

760
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 4: But yes, so that's I guess that's interesting. And John, uh,

761
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 4: you know, Jan did you know he did his homework.

762
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 4: That's one million percent He did his homework, and and

763
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 4: and his road to waiting and getting better there is

764
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 4: pretty special too. So it's all it's all good, But

765
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Speaker 4: I don't really put a lot of emphasis on any

766
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 4: of the award shit. I mean, you know, Morob knows

767
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 4: exactly who he is, and you know, everybody's proud of

768
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 4: whatever he's done. It's just been a miracle and amazing.

769
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 4: You know, it's been fantastic. And Pediano so's his his

770
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 4: comeback story is one that's really gonna, you know, definitely

771
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: last a long time. And what he did and the

772
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 4: way he did it was was was fascinating.

773
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Speaker 7: Also, Yeah, I don't think awards mean much. I think

774
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 7: you're right, and I didn't even necessarily intend to have

775
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 7: this conversation. I'm certainly happy that Morob Dwallace Willie has

776
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 7: his eSPI as the Fighter of the Year, and I

777
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 7: think he's probably going to win most of these conversations.

778
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 7: But yeah, I actually feel like Fighter of the Year

779
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 7: in years past has been really a tired conversation. I

780
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 7: think last year or one year it was Alex Paeda

781
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 7: and Eliot Topodia, right, but this year, right, if I

782
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 7: could peel back the curtain a little bit, I filmed

783
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 7: the show recently and the choices that were laid out right,

784
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 7: it's a very competitive year. And if this doesn't interest you,

785
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 7: that's fine. We can move on. Islama Kashev right had

786
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 7: the win in January over Hinato Moykano, didn't get the

787
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 7: chance to compete against armontar Gian and then had the

788
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 7: masterpiece against Jack Dela, Matt Atlanta, Joshua Van marab Dwalashwili

789
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 7: three title defenses and Valentina Chevchenko. Now we do different

790
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 7: categories for different podcasts, which is almost cheating a little bit,

791
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 7: but right certainly people could say, well, pyodri Jan deserves

792
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 7: inclusion in that conversation. You know, Kamzachi, I have only

793
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 7: fought once, so I don't know how much stock you

794
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 7: put in Makashev has went over Moikano. But frequency of

795
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 7: competition I think is part of that award as well.

796
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 7: So I gave the award to Valentina Schevchenko when I

797
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 7: was probed because we could pick a man and a woman,

798
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 7: and so that's the direction that I went, Uh if

799
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 7: if you give a ship.

800
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 4: But look, look Islam did move up away clister, So

801
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 4: he's he's gonna he's gonna be tough to to be

802
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 4: and and and and the kind of fight. I mean,

803
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: he did what he's supposed to do. He finish that

804
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 4: fight really quickly. So uh, yeah, it is what it is. Well,

805
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 4: I don't even I don't. I think I'm not even

806
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 4: sure if Weidman ever got fight, he mightn't.

807
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 7: That's well, hey, I mean, you've gotten Coach of the

808
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 7: Year on this show twice from Kenny, zero times from me.

809
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 7: In the I've never given you Coach of the year.

810
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 7: Kenny's given you twice.

811
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 4: I don't want coaching. I want coach in the lifetime.

812
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 7: You are that. See, that's the thing, right, It's like

813
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 7: you are that, you really are that. I don't know

814
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 7: that any coach. There are a lot of legends Javier

815
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 7: Mendez and Jackson Wink the way that you have crossed

816
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 7: Eras and ken Lay claimed the four undisputed UFC champions

817
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 7: always doing it, Frank's not your way or the fucking highway.

818
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 4: That's true.

819
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Speaker 7: You are when it comes to sort of lifetime achievement award,

820
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 7: and I wouldn't be surprised to see the World Fighters

821
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 7: only World MMA awards give you an acknowledgment like that,

822
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 7: as they have, you know, bestowed upon the likes of

823
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 7: Bruce Buffer and certainly when I talk about the Contributors

824
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 7: wing of the UFC Hall of Family, there's gotta be

825
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 7: room for Ray long ago.

826
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 4: You know, I got it. I got out of that, Kenny.

827
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Speaker 4: When it came down to social media, and I have

828
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 4: absolutely none. I go, I gotta accept that part. I

829
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 4: didn't that part I didn't, Mister, I didn't, mister the

830
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 4: social media rind of it.

831
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Speaker 7: And you know what, Master, though, by the end of

832
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 7: our flight together, you did master sneaking by me when

833
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 7: you had to use the restroom tight quarters on Delta.

834
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Speaker 4: Wow, sneaking is a weird word. I don't think. I

835
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 4: don't think I had to get anybody in an aeroplane.

836
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 4: If I'm sneaking by somebody, that's not good for the person.

837
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 7: The chairs in front of us were reclined to such

838
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 7: an extent it had to be one hundred and pounds

839
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Speaker 7: to go out.

840
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: I was struggling to get out of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

841
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 7: So Ray and I flew together. He asked for my

842
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 7: seat in advance. He switched to the seat next to me,

843
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 7: and al Jamain Sterling was on our flight. So but

844
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 7: Ray and I did not break bread. We broke bread

845
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 7: on the on the airplane, and you know, we had

846
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 7: some time together at the airport. But I know some

847
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 7: people were asking if that dinner happened.

848
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys are busy.

849
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: I put as much faith in that dinner Kenny as

850
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 4: I do in the awards.

851
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 7: He just wants his Lifetime Achievement award though. You know,

852
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 7: but you're already in hall of fames. You already have

853
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 7: like keys to cities and stuff, don't you. Uh, you're

854
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 7: in a hall of You're in at least one hall

855
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 7: of fame. Are You're not Cody? He's in a fucking

856
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 7: hall of fame? Isn't it right? Don't even tell me

857
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 7: you're not in any hall of fames yet.

858
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 4: No, you don't even want to hear that. I'm not

859
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 4: even going there. I don't put any hyphasis on it.

860
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: I turned down a bunch of them. Yeah, I'm weird.

861
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Speaker 7: It don't even know a lot of people are like that.

862
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 7: Uh so you've turned down some hall of fames. I

863
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 7: can't lake claim to having turned down any you know, really,

864
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 7: we have some uh mixed martial arts business to uh

865
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 7: to get into. Yes, I uh, I did cancel my

866
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 7: ESPN subscription this morning.

867
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 9: Wow, and it's gone.

868
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 7: Well, Yeah, bittersweet as a kid who cut his teeth

869
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 7: at ESPN and is a Connecticut resident right now, and

870
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 7: it was an amazing seven years. But what I found

871
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 7: is that I use that application for UFC content.

872
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 5: Did anybody else notice how difficult it was to find

873
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 5: a UFC event after the Paramount Deals.

874
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 4: One million was always front and center and you couldn't

875
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: find it.

876
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 9: It was like, it's where's my goodness?

877
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 7: Yeh, where's manel Cop? Huh? Where's manel Cop? If you

878
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 7: don't be careful, he will turn your lights out?

879
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 4: Right? What good? What a great fight for him? Man?

880
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean you can expand upon that or not.

881
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 7: But when it comes to Tatsuro Tyra and his relative

882
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 7: candidacy versus menel Cop, I was just sort of saying,

883
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 7: right like, I get so excited in the moment, and

884
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 7: now I have to digest this manel Cop result, and

885
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 7: I'm sort of spinning my wheels. So what do you

886
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 7: make of the flyweight division now with this result based

887
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 7: upon where we were a week ago after UFC three

888
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 7: twenty three, Well.

889
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 4: I think manel Cop definitely deserves the next title. Look,

890
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 4: he's been around for Revy, he's been cool for people,

891
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 4: he's been doing great. So look at the good news

892
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 4: is they got a lot of great fights within the

893
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 4: next year, you know, because Pantosi will be back before

894
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 4: you know it, and it give us a chance to

895
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 4: get a couple of the guys fighting. But you got Tyree,

896
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 4: you got cop You're still that division looks really good

897
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 4: and Joshua Van looks great.

898
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 7: So, Kenny, I wanted to get you in here. I

899
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 7: don't know if you guys have anything else before we

900
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 7: move on to some other pressing matters on this UFC

901
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 7: fight night, we mentioned some of the other highlights. Ray,

902
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 7: the Argentinian kid, Kevin Bajaos, Hey, Narislava amasav on the

903
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 7: prelim submitting Neil Magni was a highlight. I think, you know,

904
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 7: perhaps there's some staying power for him. Anything, uh, Kenny

905
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 7: or Ray? I guess, Kenny, anything else that you wanted

906
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 7: to address on the fight night before we move on.

907
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 9: I would like to. I want to. I want to

908
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 9: stay respectful.

909
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 5: But you know, there was a well known jiu jitsu

910
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 5: guy who was talking about how difficult it is for

911
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 5: jiu jitsu practitioners to win in the UFC, and he

912
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 5: was referencing the Buschesha fight and he's like, you know,

913
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 5: he got all these great jiu jitsu positions against Kennedy

914
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 5: and Zechiku, and he didn't get the win. It ended

915
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 5: up just being a draw. And I couldn't disagree more.

916
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 5: I think that it's not a question of maybe bias

917
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 5: or anything like that that I think that's what he

918
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 5: was kind of alluding to. I think it's a question

919
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 5: of training and how you're integrating your jiu jitsu. And

920
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 5: I have so much respect for Bushes and he is

921
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 5: one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. But not

922
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 5: throwing punches when you have those positions and letting someone

923
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 5: up when you have them when you have their back okay,

924
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 5: and you allow a guy like Kennedy and Zechiku to

925
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 5: literally just walk out of a back mount, that's not

926
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 5: someone being biased against jiu jitsu. It means that your

927
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 5: jiu jitsu for mixed martial arts needs improvement. And you know,

928
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 5: and I say this, and Bushes is a thirteen time

929
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 5: world champion in jiu jitsu. I was never I was.

930
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 5: I wasn't once a world champion in jiu jitsu at

931
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 5: the black belt level, But as far it is a

932
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 5: different thing. It's a different sport, and you gotta know

933
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 5: how to integrate your jiu jitsu for the sport, and

934
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 5: you got to know how to integrate takedowns and and

935
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 5: you're striking and all those things together. And you know,

936
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 5: you have Pantosia, who is a current champion. He started

937
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 5: with jiu jitsu, that's his main thing, and you look

938
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 5: at how he's able to integrate everything together. And they're

939
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 5: both from the same camp. Yet Bushesha, a thirteen time

940
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 5: world champion, isn't able to do what Pantosia does. That

941
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 5: to me means that something is wrong with the way

942
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 5: that Bushesha is training for his mixed martial arts. And candidly,

943
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 5: both of their performances based on how they both looked,

944
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 5: it's like, I don't think they looked like they were

945
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 5: at the UFC level in my opinion, if I'm being honest.

946
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 9: So that that's my thing.

947
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 5: So for anyone going, oh, you know, someone's being biased

948
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 5: towards jiu jitsu, know the jiu jitsu guys who are

949
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 5: in mixed martial arts need to be better. And I

950
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 5: also think it's it's kind of an indictment on the

951
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 5: way that jiu jitsu practitioners are approaching the sport. In

952
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five. They're thinking that it's a sport as

953
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 5: far as grappling. They're not thinking about self defense, they're

954
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 5: not thinking about martial arts. They're thinking about how do

955
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 5: I game a system to be a really good grappler

956
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 5: for IBGJF or for no grappling. And I think we're

957
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 5: losing a lot of the toughness and the martial arts spirit.

958
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 4: That's my rant. I don't know if this is going

959
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 4: to agree or disagree with you, but I do agree

960
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 4: with what you said. But I'm gonna simplify it. You're

961
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: either a fighter you're not a fighter. Jiu jitsu doesn't

962
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 4: what the fuck does that mean? You know, if you're

963
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 4: not a fighter, you could be the best jiu jitsu

964
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 4: practitioner in the world. I mean, I go back to

965
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 4: like when Mario Petesh for it, like you know what

966
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 4: I mean, right at the time, when if you were

967
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 4: a black belt, like we have a thing like if

968
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 4: you're a world champion jiu jitsu player, you're automatically going

969
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 4: to be good in the UFC. Doesn't work like that.

970
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 9: It doesn't worry.

971
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I remember I remember Jake Roschol It was

972
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 4: a national champion, you know, right, you think that guy

973
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 4: wins the nationals, he's gonna walk through everybody. Doesn't work

974
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 4: like that. The guy was turning his head when he

975
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 4: was getting hit. Never looked good to me, never ever

976
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 4: looked good. So it comes down to the individual. And

977
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 4: you got guys that aren't winning jiu jitsu tournaments that

978
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 4: will choke the shit at you because they got the

979
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 4: bulls to put themselves in that position. And like Kenny says,

980
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 4: you got to be this is mixed martial arts. You've

981
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 4: got to be softening the guy up. You can't you

982
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 4: get a guy down. You think it's a jiu jitsu tournament.

983
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 4: You got You've gotta do damage to the guy and

984
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 4: that'll open everything up. I mean, and Kenny's right, Boucet

985
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,479
Speaker 4: obviously isn't training the right way because he doesn't look

986
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 4: he does not look comfortable in there, right. It just

987
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 4: doesn't look comfortable. And that's where you know they could

988
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 4: make a mistake. Or the guy won thirteen world titles.

989
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 4: We don't have to do anything, you know. Just once

990
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 4: he gets it to the floor, he's gonna end the fight. Yeah, Kenny,

991
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 4: We've been around a long time. Man. It doesn't work

992
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 4: like that. You know, but it's a great base if

993
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 4: you could do the right thing with it. But you

994
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 4: have to do the right thing with it, and that

995
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 4: takes a lot of dedication and discipline. Well right, and

996
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 4: you got to go to the school of hard knocks.

997
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 4: At the end of the.

998
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 5: Day, man now well put right, well put right, because

999
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 5: you know, again you look at Pantosian the way he competes,

1000
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 5: that's a fight you know what. That is a fighter

1001
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 5: through and through and that spirit is absolutely apparent. And

1002
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 5: you look at the other guy, even Mackenzie Dern and

1003
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 5: how you know, she turned into a fighter in a

1004
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 5: lot of ways, like she found that warrior spirit. You know,

1005
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 5: in certain times we were like, I don't know if

1006
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 5: this is she's cut out for this, and you know

1007
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 5: what she actually is.

1008
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 9: She found that in her Uh so could she?

1009
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 4: She always had the attitude, Kenny, she did. She didn't

1010
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 4: have the technique. She was roar at the beginning, but

1011
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: you couldn't stop her on attitude. And that's why I'm

1012
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 4: saying it was a little a little different. Even when

1013
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 4: the with Sarah Man, Sarah was Sarah was a bad

1014
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 4: ass man.

1015
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 9: He loved fighter.

1016
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was talking about that because because of his height,

1017
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 4: that overhand right was just a great weapon for him,

1018
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 4: and he had the bulls to step in the pocket

1019
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 4: for a jiu jitsu guy, he didn't give a fuck,

1020
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So guy's got more knockouts

1021
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 4: than submissions, and he was a world champion jiu JITs

1022
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 4: player at a time when.

1023
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 9: There was a lot of very few Americans there, you know.

1024
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 4: So I don't know. You gotta you got to you

1025
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 4: gotta have the heart and the desire, and I don't know,

1026
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 4: it's a it's a totally different thing. But bous, the

1027
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 4: problem is can he go back and fix that at

1028
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 4: this stage of the game, you know, because he probably

1029
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 4: in his head he's like, I'd rather be the thirteen

1030
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 4: time jiu jitsu champion. It's a lot easier, you know.

1031
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 4: So I don't know, but I agree with you, Kenny.

1032
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 4: I think he's got to go back and put the work.

1033
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 4: But some guys, no matter what the iracolas have, they're

1034
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 4: just not comfortable fighting. That's fine, that's that's really fine.

1035
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 4: But then you know, you gotta find another sport, you know.

1036
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think there are some angles on the

1037
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 7: other side with Kennedy and zechiku right, who got into

1038
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 7: fighting to support his mom, who has now passed away,

1039
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 7: who had lou Gerrig's disease, and an autistic sibling, And

1040
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 7: certainly a lot of hard work accompanied his rise to

1041
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 7: the top fifteen. But I'm taking notes as you guys

1042
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 7: are talking. You know, ferocity and warrior spirit, fighting spirit, deadction,

1043
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 7: discipline will married to the game. You know, Prize fighting

1044
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 7: is a very interesting initiative, right, and how much money

1045
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 7: you can make on one given night, right, But you

1046
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 7: gotta want to perfect your jab if you're six eleven

1047
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 7: and spend every day dedicated, devoted discipline to perfecting that

1048
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 7: jab and uh yeah, otherwise me.

1049
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 4: Let me just say something, you know, because this is

1050
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 4: the problem, Like you get in the we just get

1051
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 4: in the habit of because the guy's a black belt

1052
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 4: in jiu jitsu, and not we get in the habit

1053
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 4: the people, even who get the black belt, get in

1054
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 4: the habit of. That's it. I made it. I'm at

1055
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 4: the That's it. I mean. I saw Wigeman as a

1056
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 4: white belt tap out every black belt around the Tri

1057
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 4: State area. Yeah, because he because he had the fucking

1058
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 4: he just had the he had the bulls to jump

1059
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 4: in there and do if he bought into the guy's

1060
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 4: a black belt, I'm gonna get tapped out. Never would

1061
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 4: have worked. He didn't give a shit. He didn't. No,

1062
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go in there and do what I do.

1063
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 4: And you know, those guys all had mental breakdowns, Kenny.

1064
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 4: They they couldn't fathom that there's a big, strong, motherfucker man,

1065
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like and Nate couldn't. This

1066
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 4: little guy thinks he's gonna tap him out. I remember

1067
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 4: going to I was going to train Matt one day.

1068
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 4: I broke Wideman with me and he had one of

1069
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 4: his black belts, and uh, you know, I said, I'm

1070
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 4: gonna work with Matt, and then the guy goes to me,

1071
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 4: I have broke Wideman was a white belt, because what

1072
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 4: do you want me to work on him? I do, dude,

1073
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 4: Just protect your neck, dude. Fifteen seconds later, the guy's

1074
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 4: tapped out on the mat and he's having a breakdown.

1075
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 4: He's had why are you having a breakdown? Because in

1076
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 4: his mind, he put too much emphasis on the black

1077
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 4: belt and that that's the problem.

1078
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 9: And I doesn't fight for you.

1079
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't fight for you. So you just get

1080
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 4: you know, you get into a place where all the

1081
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 4: blue belts and purple belts they're gonna acquiesced to you, probably,

1082
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 4: but when you get the resistance from a biggert stronger guy,

1083
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 4: sometimes you know, it doesn't work out like that. So

1084
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 4: I think we've seen everything with that. And you could

1085
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 4: go through wrestlers, you could go through you know, boxes

1086
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 4: getting dumped on their head, you know, to just get

1087
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 4: taken to a place or somewhere wherein not comfortable. And

1088
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 4: the whole thing with fighting is you have to be

1089
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 4: comfortable when you're uncomfortable, That's it. And a lot of

1090
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 4: guys can't do it. They get uncomfortable and they're looking

1091
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 4: for the fucking exit door. Yeah, just the reality of it.

1092
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, you guys made some great points, and yeah, I

1093
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 7: think you got to be obsessed with chasing the greatness

1094
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 7: or absolutely love it like Bonnickel, because I do believe

1095
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 7: Bonnickel is from a classifighter who would fight for ten

1096
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 7: grand like that's how much they love that job. So

1097
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 7: all right, So, Ray, would you rather talk about unicorns

1098
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 7: walking behind you or be put on the spot for

1099
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 7: an mm A conversation? What is so hard about the question?

1100
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 4: Because well, hold on, what's so hard about. The quote

1101
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 4: was the question, what's so hard about? What if I'd

1102
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 4: rather have unicorns walking beyond you?

1103
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 7: Think Kenny's laughing because he understood my line of questioning,

1104
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 7: or not he ready for the questions.

1105
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 4: As he understands the the abnormality of your question.

1106
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 7: My brain works in my serious ways.

1107
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 4: I give me the question again, because you just sprung

1108
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 4: it on me.

1109
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 7: Would you rather answer questions about unicorns trailing behind you?

1110
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 7: Or be put on the spot about an MM a

1111
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 7: topic of which you are unaware?

1112
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 4: Oh, and I'd rather talk about unicorns, I say, I

1113
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 4: can guess what this is. Why it's no good. I

1114
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 4: knew that's the way he thought.

1115
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 7: I'm not prepared to talk about you one hundred percent.

1116
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 4: Let's go. I don't even know what a unicorn is?

1117
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 7: What is you?

1118
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: Ready?

1119
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 7: All right? You ready?

1120
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 4: Let's go.

1121
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 7: Would you rather have to hold Cody's hand with interlocked

1122
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 7: fingers for an entire day in New York City? Or

1123
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 7: let Ken flow hiss on you you asked for You're

1124
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 7: good on.

1125
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 4: The top of my headlocked fingers, Kenny, I can let

1126
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 4: Kenny piss on my foot.

1127
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 7: Just got below the neck.

1128
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 4: Kenny pissed on my foot. I'm taking. I'll take Kenny

1129
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 4: could piss on my foot before I'm holding.

1130
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 9: That happens in New York City anyway.

1131
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I just took. The guy just tried to

1132
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 4: take a ship on me the other day.

1133
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 7: Right, If you're playing a game of five on five

1134
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 7: and we're going shirts and skins in basketball, you're trying

1135
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 7: to be on team.

1136
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 4: Shirts are skins, I'll take the shirts.

1137
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 7: You want to mean this shirty, I'm going shirts too, Okay,

1138
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 7: all right now, I've been doing hot yoga, so maybe

1139
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 7: I would go skins. No, so not on the hot

1140
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 7: yoga by the way, it's it's it's uh. I'm obsessed

1141
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 7: with hot yoga. I think it's a lot like jiu

1142
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 7: jitsu and golf. Have I talked about hot yoga on

1143
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 7: the you have before?

1144
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 4: Haven't I used to do that? You're doing that? It's

1145
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 4: very good.

1146
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 7: I feel like every pro fighter, certainly if you're inflexible,

1147
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 7: should be doing it once a week. But I guess

1148
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 7: for me, like golf is addictive, jiu jitsu is addictive.

1149
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 7: For me, I was addicted at class being over and

1150
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 7: taking off my fucking gee. But golf is addictive, and

1151
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 7: you wonder can you get better at it? Right? Can

1152
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 7: I and jiu jitsu master a kimora sweep? You know

1153
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 7: to get off of my back? And in hot yoga?

1154
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 7: I can't do any of this stuff. So it's like,

1155
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 7: could I ever get to a point where I could

1156
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 7: master it?

1157
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 4: Uh?

1158
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 7: It is pretty addictive right now? All right, here's the

1159
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 7: m M A topic that you are not prepared for. Okay,

1160
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go through the UFC champions and you can

1161
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 7: go as shorter as long as you want. We got

1162
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 7: three minutes left in the program.

1163
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 4: I say he's got sensitive v is ted.

1164
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 7: I mean he is like on a cell phone as

1165
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 7: I'm getting ready to do my.

1166
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 4: Page thes of it. He's got the ears of a canine.

1167
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 4: That was that was like all that I thought Mike

1168
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 4: Tyre was going flat.

1169
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 7: I mean that felt disrespectful, folks. I don't know at

1170
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 7: anachlorian pod? Was it fine? Anyway?

1171
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 4: Man?

1172
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 7: We have three minutes left in progress in the world.

1173
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 7: I'm gonna run through the UFC champions and I don't.

1174
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 4: Have my merchant Christmas. Oh my god, that's the merch.

1175
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 7: I'll cut you for your merch that's not selling. Okay,

1176
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 7: you know you want an extra band. You want to

1177
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 7: a thousand that isn't selling. Dot com promo code one

1178
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 7: more Sleep long a minute, you have.

1179
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 4: One more sleep underwear?

1180
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 9: I do, we should have it.

1181
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 7: The one more sleep pillow cases sell much better than

1182
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 7: the Ray Longo Mente T shirts. I don't want to

1183
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 7: tell you, but you get money on all of it.

1184
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 4: I'm upset or not? What's the question going? Right?

1185
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 7: Right? All right?

1186
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 4: I didn't even get a fucking dinner.

1187
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 7: Now you're getting Yeah, you're right. I do owe you

1188
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 7: a dinner, and it can be the restaurant if you're choosing,

1189
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 7: and you can order the seafood platter. I don't know

1190
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 7: how much.

1191
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 4: Slow did you get?

1192
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 7: A lot? Dude? A lot? Yeah? I understand now why

1193
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 7: I haven't lived amidst this business for the last last

1194
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 7: fifteen years. What the fuck am I doing? It's been terrible,

1195
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 7: absolutely terrible.

1196
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 10: No.

1197
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 7: I feel like this is gonna be one of the

1198
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 7: the biggest no storms of the season. Got like fucking

1199
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 7: five inches here, how about you? How about you?

1200
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1201
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's.

1202
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 4: Hard to go and get on. We got one minute

1203
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 4: now real quick.

1204
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 7: I'm gonna tell you who the champion is in a division,

1205
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 7: and you can tell me yes or no as to

1206
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 7: whether or not there'll be the champ at the end

1207
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 7: of this next year, and you can give me You

1208
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 7: can say no, I think it'll be Peyton Talbot, or

1209
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 7: you can just say yes or now all right, all right, Kenny.

1210
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 7: Right now, the strawweight champion is Mackenzie Durham. Do you

1211
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 7: think she'll be the straweight champion at this time next year?

1212
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 9: Yes?

1213
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 7: Ray, Mackenzie Durns the straweight CHAMPI you think she is

1214
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 7: the and still at this time next year? Or what?

1215
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 4: No?

1216
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 7: Valentina Chefchenko is the undisputed UFC Women's flyweight champion. Do

1217
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 7: you think she will be still the standard at this

1218
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 7: time next year? Kenny?

1219
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 9: Yes? Ray?

1220
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 4: Yes.

1221
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 7: Kayla Harrison the women's bantam weight champion, first title defense

1222
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 7: quarter one against Amanda news Oh you like the topic now,

1223
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 7: I'm not boring you now whistling as I've been showing it, Kenny,

1224
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 7: Kayla Harrison? Is she the bantamweight champion by this time

1225
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 7: next year?

1226
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 9: I hope so, but I don't know against news Man.

1227
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 7: So you're going to on the fence with the one question.

1228
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 7: I'll say now, Ray, Kayla Harrison.

1229
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 4: I love Kayla Harrison. I'm gonna say.

1230
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 7: Yes because you love her, not because you're trying to

1231
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 7: answer the question thoughtfully. Oh, we gotta move on. Sorry,

1232
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,479
Speaker 7: all right, Wash you a Van down by the river?

1233
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 7: Is the flyweight champion right now? Will Joshua Van be

1234
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 7: the flyweight champion at this time next year? Kenny? No, Ray, No,

1235
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 7: pyotre Yan is the bandam weeight champion right now? We

1236
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 7: know Ray's answer. Kenny, do you think pyodr Yan will

1237
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 7: be the bantamweight champion at this time next year?

1238
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 10: No?

1239
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 7: Wow, Again, my recency bias, But how can you not

1240
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 7: say yes based upon what we just saw? I mean

1241
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 7: that virtuoso performance against Listen.

1242
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 4: Obviously I'm saying no, but it was a great performance.

1243
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 4: But I don't want to get into cause then you

1244
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 4: just get that's why you get attacked. But no, I'm

1245
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 4: saying no. I say, will beat him in the rematch.

1246
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 7: Shocking response. Alexander Bokanowski's the featherweight champion, Ken, Does he

1247
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 7: stay that way for a full mother year?

1248
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 9: No, because I think he retires.

1249
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 7: He's not retiring.

1250
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 9: He's not.

1251
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 7: I'm telling you so. He has posted about it. But

1252
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 7: I do have a source as well. Yeah. No, There's

1253
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 7: plenty of fight left in that dog, and I think

1254
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 7: he still has a lot to offer the sport at

1255
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 7: the highest levels. His last performance I think was as

1256
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 7: good as any.

1257
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1258
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 7: No, I agree, I as of like financial freedom and

1259
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 7: thirty seven years of age.

1260
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 5: And I don't think he loses to Lopez. I think

1261
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 5: he wins. I think retains that belt. If he stays

1262
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 5: on and he's committed and he still has that hunger.

1263
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 9: Then I think he Yeah, I think he'll still be

1264
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 9: champing at one.

1265
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 7: I would be stunned if he wins and then drops

1266
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 7: down the belt and retires without taking the you know,

1267
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 7: financial game that comes with one more title defense. But

1268
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 7: what do you think, right, do you think Volkanovski's the

1269
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 7: featherweight champion at this time next year?

1270
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:50,479
Speaker 4: Uh? No?

1271
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 7: Ilia Tooputia is the unisputed UFC lightweight champ Ken Flow.

1272
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 7: Do you think he will be that guy at this

1273
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 7: time next year? I do, right?

1274
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 8: Uh?

1275
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 4: I mean I'd love Ilia that. Look, I don't know, Matt.

1276
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 4: These matters are the heart to a proud guy like that.

1277
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 4: I think could really I'm gonna say yes, But that's

1278
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 4: my only glitch is how he deals with what he's

1279
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 4: going through right now, and some guys just can't get

1280
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 4: past it. I hope he's one that Ken, But yeah,

1281
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 4: this one looks like, you know, it's one of those

1282
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 4: more proud things, and you know he's an alpha male

1283
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 4: type of guy. I don't know. I hope he is.

1284
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, Kenny is Lama Kasha is the welterweight champion. Does

1285
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 7: he stay that way by this time next year?

1286
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 9: Yiss?

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Speaker 7: Ray Islamakasha? Yeah, comes out? Chimaia have the most electrifying

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Speaker 7: force in the game. Is the on disputed? Do you

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Speaker 7: have some away champion? Ken Flow? Does he stay that way?

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Speaker 9: And still Ray?

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Speaker 4: How many times I'm gonna say yeah? But I hope

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Speaker 4: he fights more than once?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, no fair fair Alex Padada I believe is the

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01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 7: undisputed UFC light Heavyweight Champion. Kenny Will he be the

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Speaker 7: two hundred and five pound king come December twenty.

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Speaker 9: Sixth he retains?

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Speaker 7: Yes, Ray, I go yes? And then Ken Flow, Tom

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Speaker 7: Aspinall is the undisputed heavyweight champion and still and knew

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Speaker 7: what do you think?

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Speaker 9: And still right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna go yes. Ray fight with Don wasn't

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01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 4: looking good, Kenny, It really was.

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Speaker 5: A little concerning, but you know, I think it was

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01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 5: closer than people think. But yes, yeah, I think I

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Speaker 5: don't think he was quite ready for that Cyril God,

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Speaker 5: but I think he will be ready for the next.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. I do agree with that. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Ray Longo, star of the Anak and Florian podcast, driving

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Speaker 7: force behind the show. We have a best of show

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Speaker 7: coming up Monday, December twenty ninth, but largely your contributions

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01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 7: to this show this year are done. We love you,

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01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 7: we thank you. We look forward to big things in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty six as we enter year eleven or twelve.

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01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 7: But we love you eternal gratitude, and I know we

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01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 7: have fun on the show, but very appreciative of all

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Speaker 7: your contributions to making the show out.

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Speaker 4: Of this awesome. Guys, Wait, this is it? Then you're saying?

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Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying?

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01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 7: No, we're dark. Call up, We'll call you. We're dark. Actually, yeah,

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Speaker 7: we'll be in touch, Red, we'll be in got your

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01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 7: Q four payment will actually be paid by January tenth,

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty six, and we'll be in touch.

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Speaker 4: Because Mama needs a new pair of shoes. Baby, let's go.

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Speaker 7: I'll talk to you guys the lifetime.

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Speaker 9: Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Merry Christmas, guys, really, happy holidays.

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Speaker 7: It's Hanikah right now and happy hear andandals last night?

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Speaker 7: Thank you?

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Speaker 4: Did ja? Yeah? How come I wasn't part of the ceremony.

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Speaker 4: I'll delated. Happy holidays, guys.

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Speaker 7: Are you a waspon?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 7: What we gotta go?

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Speaker 9: Man?

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Speaker 7: Happy Hanukah, Happy Kwansa. Merry Christmas to everybody out there.

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01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 7: Your support of this show is not lost on us.

1339
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 7: It means the world to us. Every time we are

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01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 7: at a live event and somebody says ana can filline podcast,

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01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 7: or you are a part of my every week or

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01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 7: a fabric of my life, or you make my commute easier,

1343
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 7: or you make my life easier. We appreciate all of that.

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01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 7: We will be back in two weeks with a best

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01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 7: of twenty twenty five, will highlight some of the top interviews,

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Speaker 7: top moments from the year that was, and potentially have

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Speaker 7: some details as to what is to come in twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty six. But stay tuned. We don't know exactly where

1349
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 7: we are going to be and when, but stay tuned.

1350
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Speaker 7: We will update you on our social channels. At least for now,

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Speaker 7: I'd like to take fifteen seconds to thank our executive

1352
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 7: producer Cody Merrill, without whom none of this would be possible.

1353
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 7: Thanks to Jason Anik the brains and the business behind

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01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 7: all of this. Thanks to Mike Jones who handles so

1355
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 7: many different things for us, Will Berger who actually lives

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01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 7: five minutes away from me, as well Creosocial everybody else

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Speaker 7: who is contributed to the success of this program in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty five. And most of all, you know, my

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01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 7: man Kenflow for showing up despite you know, stem cells

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Speaker 7: and everything else.

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Speaker 9: You're the fucking man, John. Thanks for everything.

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Speaker 7: Brother, Merry Christmas, everybody Happy, Honikah. We will talk to

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Speaker 7: you in two weeks on Monday December twenty ninth. Until then,

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Speaker 7: for Ken Ful and John Anak, thanks for watching listening.

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01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 7: Tell you Mom yielded it.

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Speaker 9: Kenny Floy and I got a baby. We did it.