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Speaker 1: Welcome to another initiative, The Giants Little Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: Football Giants. I am John Shmelk. Join right now by

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Speaker 1: friend of the program. He comes on twice a year,

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Speaker 1: always around this time when his mock draft comes out,

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Speaker 1: Go click on it, find it at the Athletic and

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Speaker 1: also when his freak list comes out in August. He

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Speaker 1: is the one and only Bruce Feldman who covers college

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Speaker 1: football for The Athletic and for Fox Sports. Bruce, it's

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Speaker 1: good to talk to you, and my.

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Speaker 2: Friend, good to talk to you, John.

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Speaker 1: Great time of year, always a great time a year,

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Speaker 1: and you have your mock draft up there and a

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Speaker 1: lot of other fun stories as well. Bruce said, you

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Speaker 1: want people to check out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this thing I've been working on for about

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Speaker 2: six weeks and it's a ton of phone calls and conversations,

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Speaker 2: but it's something you know, covering college football, it's fascinating

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Speaker 2: to hear who to get you know, another level of

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Speaker 2: intel and expertise from the coaches you know themselves, what

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Speaker 2: they saw, what they what they you know, came away

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Speaker 2: thinking about these guys because you hear so much about

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Speaker 2: the players, but these guys are the real experts when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love talking to people that cover college football, Bruce,

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Speaker 1: because I think you guys have a different perspective. Right,

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Speaker 1: you're not covering it just you know, you're not coming

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Speaker 1: to it a little bit leer like I am. You know,

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Speaker 1: other draft guys are with it all year round. But

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Speaker 1: it's just a little bit of a different perspective, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's a perspective that's worth taking a consideration.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: For example, like Kyle Hamilton a few years ago, you said, here,

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Speaker 1: you told me, people think he's unbelievable, he's the best,

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Speaker 1: But then you nitpick his testing, you nitpick this, and

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Speaker 1: I'll nick picked a couple of things myself, But in

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Speaker 1: the end, it's who's the best football player? And the

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Speaker 1: people that know that are the guys that are coaching

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And and they're not always right, but you know,

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Speaker 2: I will say this, the guy who was the most

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Speaker 1: So let's start Jaden Daniels. And I thought the consistency

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Speaker 1: Bruce's ability to avoid the rush, handle the rush, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it should be noted, look, some

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Speaker 2: Junior's the most polarizing of the quarterbacks in terms of

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Speaker 1: That's interesting and I think it makes sense. So you

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the landing spots are all that important.

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Speaker 1: You're not trying to be predictive necessarily, but that's where

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and from my understanding, the Raiders are are very

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Speaker 2: intrigued by him. From the people I've talked to, he

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Speaker 2: calories in his stats with him. Yeah, he has really

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Speaker 2: Just what he did I thought was pretty remarkable. And

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Speaker 2: you know, yes he didn't have a great game against Michigan,

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Speaker 2: but you could go back and nitpick anybody. He played

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question. And I think the one knock or

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Speaker 2: Good, Yeah, it definitely could be. Again, I think you

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Speaker 2: he had injury shortened seasons, but he's played a lot

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Speaker 2: me that bodes really well for him is a lot

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Speaker 2: issue according to Daniel, and I buy this is when

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Speaker 2: these guys get hit with actual adversity, it knocks them

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Speaker 2: having covered like I mean, the difference when you cover

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Speaker 2: college football is supposed to come from the NFL side.

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Speaker 2: Some of these guys you're really versed in. And in

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Speaker 2: the case of Penix, having been around him a bunch,

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Speaker 2: knowing how candid he was about the adversity he dealt

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Speaker 2: especially at that position, aren't acknowledging stuff. They may just

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Speaker 2: to battle past it. I think he checks those boxes

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Speaker 2: it's a TBD on them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so does Bon Nicks, Right, He's another guy

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Speaker 1: draft bon Nicks and two very different players. If you

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Speaker 1: You mentioned His third and long tape is excellent. He

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Speaker 1: he's able to. So I think he's a really interesting evaluation.

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Speaker 1: Arison Junior, he's awesome. Everyone you talked to you said

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Speaker 1: he's awesome. Here's the note that I want to ask

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Speaker 2: What Yeah, it's so. This is a guy from South Florida,

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Speaker 2: where there's more. That area has produced more top level

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Speaker 2: a guy named Larry Bluestein who is like the godfather

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Speaker 2: youth football and high school football than anybody probably on

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Speaker 2: He's got down. He got to Columbus already know he's

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Speaker 2: a two hundred and eighteen pound kid. He's already bigger

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Speaker 2: they are raving about what they've already seen from him

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Speaker 2: in terms of his competitiveness, his toughness, his mental makeup,

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Speaker 2: his athleticism, and his ball skills. So again, not to

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Speaker 1: Was there niitpick or negative that came up when talking

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Speaker 2: No, it's not a negative. The only question that I got,

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Speaker 2: they're four four two or faster. Again you I your word, nitpicky,

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Speaker 2: that is I'll live with that one. So he's really polished.

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Speaker 2: People love his character. People, you know, really good ball skills,

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Speaker 2: close to can't miss as you're going to get. There's

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Speaker 1: Yes, and this is the quote I wrote it down

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'd never had a quote like that,

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Speaker 2: You know, he's a you know, a guy on the

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Speaker 2: The question is can they can they get him the

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and then the other guy they could select

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Speaker 1: One thing in your quotes about Neighbors, he's a dog. Now.

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Speaker 2: batch of really promising athletic receivers, which two of them

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Speaker 2: are in this class which will be first round guys.

431
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 2: One's neighbors, the other one's Brian Thomas. There was another

432
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 2: guy in there who had had a breakout careers to

433
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,479
Speaker 2: start to his career and then kind of fizzled. And

434
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Speaker 2: I wonder if some of this chatter.

435
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 1: Is you're talking about, Yeah.

436
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 2: I wonder if some of that is are people confusing

437
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: the two as some of that, Like I don't know

438
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 2: at this point, because you wonder when people say stuff

439
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 2: like that and some of that stuff gets out. There

440
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 2: have been times where and I can think of a

441
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: specific example I don't want to go into, but like

442
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: where it was a player and it was like what

443
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 2: got reported was they meant one like position, they meant

444
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 2: the right guard, not the left guard. You know who

445
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 2: got identified, you know, and it just like and then

446
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 2: it takes on a life of its own again, I

447
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 2: don't you know, I don't know. I will say this,

448
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: and and some of this is going to Indy like

449
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Junior, who put up huge numbers and is

450
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 2: you know, I think is the fourth guy of this group.

451
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 2: One of the people there said, you know, this guy

452
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 2: is way more football smart than I think a lot

453
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 2: of people realized. And you start to wonder, like, what

454
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 2: are the perceptions about guys that like kind of takes

455
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 2: on a life of its own when that kind of

456
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Speaker 2: thing comes up. But you know, it's people are speculating

457
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 2: and they're they're trying to figure out, especially when it's

458
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 2: when it's a player. This isn't really neighbors because neighbors

459
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: was really productive even before this, but like when it's

460
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 2: almost like they really break through and everybody starts buzzing

461
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,959
Speaker 2: about him in a year. So I don't know if

462
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Speaker 2: that's where that came from. That's my guess.

463
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna let's you mentioned Brian Thomas Junior, So

464
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Speaker 1: let's lie down and you know, you had a couple

465
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Speaker 1: of different quotes on him, and both basically said, fifty

466
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Speaker 1: to fifty guy, good deep ball, really good athlete, but

467
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 1: maybe he still needs to polish things up a little bit.

468
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: He's a little bit raw correct.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And but I think everybody who's been around him

470
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Speaker 2: really likes what they've seen. They just was like he

471
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 2: was the red zone guy who scared everybody to death,

472
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Speaker 2: whereas neighbors they did a little more with it. Sounds

473
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Speaker 2: like Thomas. I think is is closer to being like

474
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Speaker 2: a complete receiver from things I've heard getting up to

475
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Speaker 2: the draft than maybe some other people think he is.

476
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 2: For instance, so I had another freaks list guy in

477
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Speaker 2: this draft in the draft last year, Quinton Johnson from TCU,

478
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Speaker 2: and for you know, there's similar similar size. I think

479
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Junior has more straight is more speed. Quinton

480
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 2: was surprisingly shifty and elusive at that size, but his

481
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 2: hands were more inconsistent, or are more inconsistent. I think

482
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Speaker 2: Charger fans kind of probably are just you know, wincing

483
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: about some of that. To me, Thomas is a much

484
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: more polished player, and I think Is is a is

485
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Speaker 2: a is a better prospect, to be honest, I mean

486
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Speaker 2: he's faster, he's around the same size. His hands I

487
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: think are better. You know, run after the catch, I'm

488
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: not sure that's where. That's where Quintin I think really excelled.

489
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Speaker 2: But you have the have to catch the ball to

490
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: do run after the catch too.

491
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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, I want to touch on the last two

492
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: top ten guys. Bruce them will kind of roll through

493
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: the back half pretty quick. Here. He's like talking to

494
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: people about brock Bauers. It's like, can I find somebody

495
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: they say something bad about this guy? I don't know

496
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Speaker 1: if I can. Everyone seems to love him to death.

497
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Speaker 1: And Joe Alt I think it was one of your

498
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Speaker 1: smallest captions. Just one quote. What was the best line

499
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Speaker 1: when we played all year? Is Joel just like good,

500
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Speaker 1: like boring good. He's just like so good, he's boring.

501
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Speaker 2: He's to me head and shoulders. I know that there's

502
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Speaker 2: been some other guys who've been lumped in closer to

503
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Speaker 2: him from everything I've heard, And again, some of the

504
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Speaker 2: coaches I've talked to have played a couple of you know,

505
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Speaker 2: you know, they played Graham Barton too, and to the comments,

506
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Speaker 2: and it's not a knock on Graham Bartner. It shouldn't

507
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Speaker 2: be is like, oh, people are talking about him in

508
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Speaker 2: that category and they're kind of surprised because they just

509
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: see the difference. Right now. I'm granted, one of them

510
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Speaker 2: is a guy who people think could possibly play all

511
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Speaker 2: five positions, whereas Alt is outside. But I couldn't get

512
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: anybody to say anything bad about nothing about about all.

513
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: I mean, not that I was really trying to goat it,

514
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: but like people just were that impressed with him. And

515
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 2: as far as Bowers, one of the guys, and it

516
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: didn't make the story because it was one of the

517
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Speaker 2: last people I talked to, and it was like the

518
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: story was already kind of going to print. Said, I

519
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 2: think Brock Bauers is arguably the greatest tight end in

520
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: college football that I've seen in like twenty five years.

521
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: Just he took over games and he doesn't he's not

522
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: six six, you know, I mean, but he is so

523
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: dynamic with the ball in his hands and has really

524
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 2: good ball skills, and it has a competitiveness and you know,

525
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: the one, you know, the one that did make the

526
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: story was about the clutch gene. He's the best offensive

527
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: like Kirby Smart has cranked out first round talent he's

528
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: the best offensive player Kirby Smart's had since he's been

529
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Speaker 2: the coach at Georgia for like a decade.

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Speaker 1: And look when you can start as a freshman, true

531
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Speaker 1: freshman at Georgia. I think that kind of tells you

532
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: all you need to know, right, It's just, you know,

533
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: he's been a great, great player, Giant fans level winner.

534
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Speaker 1: more at Citizens bank dot com. Not a surprise, Bruce,

539
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: you have a ton of offensive linemen in your mock draft,

540
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 1: because there are a ton of good ones in your

541
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: mock draft. When you get to that second group, your Latham's,

542
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: your Fuanga's, your Mims, your Foultan, who's all those guys?

543
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: Is this kind of just like a chef's choice deal.

544
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: He's looking through all their reports. Everyone seems to have

545
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: Tyler Goyiton to have to say really good things about

546
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: all these players.

547
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Speaker 2: Yes, it is an interesting has chef's choice is interesting,

548
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: Like I think, you know, you go to get you know,

549
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: the Maller from Oregon State might be like a little

550
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: bit of a cut above some of those other guys

551
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: to play off the verbiage, but you mentioned Tyler Geydon,

552
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: So Tyler Goeydon is a late bloom. I don't want

553
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: to say he is. You know, Lane Johnson like kind

554
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: of that kind of path, but he did go through

555
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: Oklahoma and switch positions. And you know, Bill Beidenbow, the

556
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: offensive line coach, one of the best offensive line coaches

557
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: in college football, has had a lot of really good

558
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: NFL players. This is probably the most gifted physically athletic

559
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: a ligneman he's had. How close is he? You got

560
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: Mims from Georgia who is a is just a giant

561
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: of a man who's very athletic, but he's only started

562
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: seven games in college, so you know, so what are

563
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: you getting there in terms of what are you getting like?

564
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 2: How close is he? And then you start getting into

565
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 2: like the guys inside, like two guys that people really

566
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: raved to me about. I just don't know how high

567
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: centers go. You know Jackson Power Johnson from Oregon who's

568
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: super strong and did well at a Senior Bowl. And

569
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 2: then Zach Frasier from West Virginia was another guy who

570
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: had like some kind of Paul Bunyan kind of quotes

571
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: from some of the coaches who played him. And I'm like, Okay,

572
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: how many am I can I work this into the

573
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: mock draft. He's like, people are people love him, but

574
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: you know where to center? You know how many centers

575
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: are going in the first round.

576
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: No, it's tough. And then you know Graham Barnes a

577
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: guy too you mentioned earlier. It's funny you talk about

578
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: trying to get guys into the story. Well for the

579
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: teams that did that first round picks, you included some

580
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: second round picks in here too, And I'm like, I

581
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: feel like you're sitting there. I have so many wide

582
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: receivers that are good that I have quotes on. I

583
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: need to fit these guys in somewhere. So let's just

584
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: kind of go through the rest of the wide receivers

585
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: you mentioned real quick here. Ady Mitchell, you did have

586
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: in your first round. But I think the interesting thing

587
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: with him Bruce and he basically said this out loud

588
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: at the combine, which usually guys will do this, but

589
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: they'll never say it out loud. Or he basically said, yeah,

590
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: if I knew the ball wasn't coming to me. Eh,

591
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: I didn't really run that hard, and that's what the

592
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: coaches said.

593
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that shows up. Like here's the thing with him, John. So,

594
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: our crew did a Texas k State game and it

595
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: was a game where when you were the starting quarterback,

596
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna play to the backup. Milike Murphy is not

597
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: Duke Who's going to be the starter? And you're I'm

598
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: watching and I know some case state coaches, so we're

599
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: just kind of like watching, you know, them warm up,

600
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: and you're it's the first time I I think it's

601
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: the first time I had seen him in person. It,

602
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: you know, since his Georgia days at least. I'm like, Wow,

603
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: you're looking at him. You're like, man, he looks like

604
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: a first round player. You watch how he moves everything,

605
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: and he went off in the game. You know, he

606
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: like kind of could dominate. Uh. But then there is

607
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: moments and like, is you know, Brian Thomas has you know,

608
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: a great red zone threat, you know, size, speed guy,

609
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: and that's what he is. But there are times where

610
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: it's like can the quarterback trust him? If the routes

611
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: you are not run, you know, if it's like what

612
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: you just said, So can you know, can an NFL

613
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: team get that out of him? Like if the Bills

614
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: take them where I had him going and I started

615
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: working on this like before the Digs trade happened, but

616
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: already lost game Davis, But like they could really need

617
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: a number one guy. He has number one guy talent.

618
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: It's just you know, like I don't say you got

619
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Speaker 2: to get it out of him, like he's some kind

620
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: of like you know, problem child. But I just think

621
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Speaker 2: it's just maturity and focus and we'll see where he

622
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: gets to.

623
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then two other guys you go in the

624
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Speaker 1: second round. Then with those second round picks, mal Guy

625
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: Corley who I stood next to him Bruce at the

626
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, and I interviewed him for about six minutes.

627
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: Engaging kid, really good kid, but as someone that's been

628
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: in the same locker room as Saquon Barkley for the

629
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Speaker 1: last six seven years, he's built like Saquon Barkley, Like

630
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Speaker 1: this dude's not built like a WHI He's a tank.

631
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Speaker 1: But I think one of the interesting quotes he had

632
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: is that they think he's more than just that screen pass,

633
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: you know in the round jet sweep gadget guy, and

634
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: I think he kind of showed that the senior ball

635
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: a little bit too. So what's your feel from people

636
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: around the league that you talk to in college football?

637
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: Can he be more than just that guy that gets

638
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: balls at the line of scrimmage.

639
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Speaker 2: One of the guys I talked to about Corley is,

640
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: you know, one of those guys where I'm like, Okay,

641
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: I've had a track record with this guy. He's coached

642
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: in the SEC. He's like, he's one of the people

643
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: whose opinion I trust most. And he was really glowing

644
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: about Corley, and so I you know, I would put

645
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: probably more stock in that than I would in a

646
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: lot of other things I get just because I know

647
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: what this guy sees and his perspective on things. Again,

648
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, does he go to a place

649
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: that has a really good quarterback and a really good system.

650
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: We'll see, But I mean, he's he's a dazzling player

651
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: run after the catch. I'm glad you saw him up close,

652
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: because he does not look like any other receiver, you know,

653
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: like they are receivers who are impressive, but he looks

654
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: like you know, I mean, it's funny you say Saquon

655
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: because Saquon doesn't you know, like does not look like

656
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: any you know, He's just a muscled up, you know,

657
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: like blocky, you know, imposing guy. But usually don't see

658
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: that with the receivers, you know, not to that degree.

659
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see where he goes and what

660
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: they do with him, because because he was a dominant

661
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: player in that league, and that league's pretty good football,

662
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 2: and everybody knew who was a mark man, and they

663
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: were going to try to get him the ball. However,

664
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: they could get him the ball and whatever they did,

665
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: and they still really couldn't slow him down much.

666
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: McConkie was the other wide receiver you managed to slip

667
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: in there. And he's a guy that I'm not surprised

668
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: that coaches really appreciate what he can do. He just

669
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: seems like such a polished receiver when you watch him

670
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: with his route running. But one of the coaches did

671
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: say they think he might be a slot only guy.

672
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean he's not. He's not the biggest receiver,

673
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: but he's he is really fast. He's also really quick,

674
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: and he has really polished you know, he wasn't like

675
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: he was a go to guy for them. I would

676
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: have been curious at Georgia, you know, again, whereas a

677
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: little like Michigan, where they're gonna they're gonna win their

678
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: football games pounding you on both sides of the ball,

679
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: they're not airing it out. And he had a really

680
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: good quarterback this year. Is not in the draft. But

681
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: I think you know, if they don't have Bowers, and

682
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: Bowers was banged up a little bit this year. But

683
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: if they don't have Bowers, is he more of a

684
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: is he putting up bigger numbers, because then he's a

685
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: little more of an X factor guy. And you know,

686
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: fortunately for Georgia they did have Bowers. But you know,

687
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: it wouldn't surprise me if he was more productive, much

688
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: more productive or a factor in offense is in the

689
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: NFL game than he was at Georgia. Now, if he

690
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: went some other system, and I'm not saying he should

691
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 2: have transferred, but if he went to you know, you

692
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: can name the school, you know, if he went to

693
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: usc and he had Caleb throwing to him, or if

694
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: he went to Oregon where you know that system, he

695
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: probably puts up like double the yardage numbers. But you know,

696
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: obviously everybody you know and you know they kind of

697
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: picked schools for a reason. It's not always to be

698
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: like hey, I'm gonna try to get stats. I mean

699
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: he won a ton of football games and was developed.

700
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, I'm with you.

701
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens,

702
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: so go to that retreat. He knew you, moves to

703
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: the country. Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand.

704
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: Are you ready for all that life brings?

705
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: All right? Two other players that I feel like the

706
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: league all over the place on depending on who you

707
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: talk to, And I'm one it seems like the college

708
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: coaches maybe too Olu Fashion who from Penn State. I

709
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: feel like even the evaluation of what he's good at

710
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: and what he's bad at Bruce was different from quote

711
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: to quote in that little blurb that you had.

712
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: It was. I mean, he's a big, imposing guy who's

713
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: really bright. He's athletic. I think you know, some guys

714
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: thought he was. He needs still more polished, Like you know,

715
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: I talked to some of the Penn State guys who

716
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: are like he stoned are speed rushers every day I

717
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: practice and those are when I say speed rushers, I

718
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: mean Chop Robinson. You don't get faster and more explosive

719
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: than him. And there's other guys who are undersized edge

720
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: rushers they had who are really good players. You know

721
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: Desa Isaac who you know, giant grew up in that,

722
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: you know that footprint up there. Those are really good players,

723
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: and I think that bodes well for him. I think

724
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: it was a consistency thing now against Ohio State that

725
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: was the film this year, this past year that I

726
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: think gave some people pause about him. He struggled, He

727
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: struggled against a really really high level edge rusher and

728
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: JT two and Moloau who will be in the draft next.

729
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: Year, and it would have been a first round pick

730
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: this year if he came out, by.

731
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: The way, Yes, really strong, really athletic, and he got

732
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: after him pretty good. And so I think that maybe

733
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: was sitting in some people's heads. But you know, I

734
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: think he's one of the better off offensive tackles in

735
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: the first round crop.

736
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: And then Nate Wiggins is the other guy, right, And

737
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: one of the scouts or one of the coaches that

738
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: you had quotes from said what I've been saying about

739
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: the kid, like he's so fast and he's so athletic

740
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: in twitchy, you can cover anybody. But then he's like,

741
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm not sure how physical he is,

742
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure what I'm tackling it. Well, you

743
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: know whatever, one hundred and eighty pounds, whatever's true playing

744
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: weight was so got Yeah, it just seems like you're

745
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: gonna have to have a trade off here, right if

746
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: you draft him, you're gonna really need him in coverage,

747
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: but I don't know how much you can count on

748
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: him in the run game, you know, outside.

749
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would be one of the ones who I

750
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: think was you know, who people were higher on than

751
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: I expected them to be to the degree, you know,

752
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: like he was kind of I don't want to say

753
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: a drive by, but one of the coaches was like,

754
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: you know who I thought was awesome the cornerback at Clemson.

755
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: And then it goes down to that because it was

756
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: somebody who you know was in the league and just

757
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: kind of raved about. You saw him in a lot

758
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: of crossover tape and just kept on noticing him. It

759
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: was like, man, that guy is pretty special, and so

760
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't want to disregard it. And again

761
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: that's it's interesting because the guy of the DBS who

762
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: you know, I just hear glowing stuff about is Quiny

763
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: and Mitchell from Toledo, you know, checks every box and

764
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: his great you know ball skiells and is like a strong,

765
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: explosive athlete and everything. But then you get the Alabama

766
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: guys who people like but I don't know if they

767
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 2: love them, you know, for a couple of different reasons.

768
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: And then you have this other kid who's got good

769
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: length and exceptional speed, but I think there's a little

770
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: bit like, Okay, you know, is he the most physical guy?

771
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: You know, he's pretty competitive. Usually those things come in

772
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: come hand in hand, but sometimes they don't always go

773
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 2: like that.

774
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: You mentioned the two Alabama corners real quick, then just

775
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: two ones and will wrap this. Bruce, You've been so

776
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: generous at the time. Awesome stuff is always fans have

777
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: great feedback on whenever we have you on. By the way,

778
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: they absolutely love it. You said some people maybe not

779
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: as high on the two Alabama corners. What are some

780
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: of the things on Arnold and McKinstry that you're hearing

781
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: that teams are coaches maybe have some questions about so.

782
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: Terry and Arnold really kept getting better and better over

783
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 2: the last three years. And I think people like that.

784
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 2: They think he can play all three. You know, can play,

785
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: can play slot, can be a shutdown corner, and can

786
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: play safety. I don't know if he's I think they

787
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: see him as the better athlete of the two when

788
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: it comes to kool aid. Cooley came in with a

789
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: with a lot, you know, a lot of hype and

790
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: played well early and it's not an easy system to

791
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 2: pick up for a dB. I think the athleticism was

792
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: a little bit of the I don't say it's not

793
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: a red flag. It's just like I think they probably

794
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: like he is not Quinian Mitchell athletically, but very few

795
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: guys are. I think there was, you know, some of

796
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: the people said it felt like he will take some

797
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: chances and maybe watch you know, Diggs came from Alabama

798
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: and makes a lot of big plays, but occasionally we'll

799
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: give up some big plays. And I think they you

800
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: know that if you look at you know, the Texas

801
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: guys kind of got the best of the Alabama guys

802
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: in that matchup earlier in the season. Texas guys are

803
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: really talented receivers, so with a lot of speed. So

804
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: again I think both guys are our first round guys,

805
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: I just don't know if they're you know, from everything

806
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: I've heard, it felt like Wwenya Mitchell was a little

807
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: a little more of a sure thing than than both

808
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: guys at Alabama, who are.

809
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: A couple guys that you had to leave on the

810
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: cutting room floor here where you had some great quotes

811
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: and you wanted to get him in here, but you

812
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: just ran out of spots in your mock.

813
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: Peyton Wilson from NC State is arguably the best defensive

814
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: player in the country this past year. He is big,

815
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 2: he is really physical. He ran in the low four fours.

816
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 2: He's smart, he's tough. Peyton Wilson has a very you know,

817
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: suspect medical evaluation. Now he hasn't he had knee and shoulder.

818
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: He's been healthy for the last two years. But the

819
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 2: question is also he plays a position now that's a

820
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: little like running back, where it's just you know, if

821
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: Peyton Wilson came along ten years ago, if he didn't

822
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: have the medical history, Peyton Wilson might be the fifth

823
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: pick in the draft or something like. He's that athletic

824
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: and that productive. But I think somebody will take him

825
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: within the top seventy five picks because somebody will look

826
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: at it and go, heck, as long as he can

827
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: get through the first contract, he can help us win

828
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: a lot of football games, assuming it's the right fit system.

829
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 2: Fit In terms of linebackers, because it's not a great

830
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 2: group right now. I mean you have Edrian Cooper, who

831
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: is a run and hit guy from Texas A and

832
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: M who put up big numbers, and he in the

833
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: old style way of linebackers. He's probably a top fifteen pick,

834
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: but now people don't take linebackers that way, and I

835
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: so those are guys that I'm very fascinated to see

836
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: how soon they go and where they go to.

837
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: All right, final question, unrelated to the mock draft. Who

838
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: are some players in college football knowing the country as

839
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: well as you do, that you think are going to

840
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: break out this year that maybe people don't quite know

841
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,479
Speaker 1: enough about it out yet.

842
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: You're catching me in the middle of my NFL mindset.

843
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: Oh, sorry about that.

844
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: There's a handful of guys I'm very curious to see

845
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: what you know. We obviously talked about Jeremiah Smith from

846
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: Ohio State. I think he is going to explode onto

847
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: the national scene in terms of, like you know, Ohio State. Also,

848
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: we talked about the Alabama DBS. Caleb Downs is the

849
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: best player in the secondary. He was a true freshman

850
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: safety last year. He ended up transferring to Columbus. He's

851
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 2: going to play at Ohio State to play that position

852
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 2: in Nick Saban's defense as well as he did. He's

853
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: a phenomenal player. I think he is really really special.

854
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: He's another one you know, definitely keep an eye on.

855
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: I think Malachi Starks. People know about him. He had

856
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: a terrific start to his career at Georgia. Is a big,

857
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: big time player. And then Pierce the edge rusher at Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: He's almost from what I heard, he's like over two

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Speaker 2: hundred sixty five pounds he runs and sub four or five.

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Speaker 2: He's arguably the most talented guy in the SEC right now.

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Speaker 2: And I think he's a spectacular talent and you know,

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Speaker 2: can't wait to see what he does this year. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he has had a huge, you know, first year as

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Speaker 2: a coming out party. I think he's a guy who's

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Speaker 2: just going to get better and better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course we'll have a much longer list

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Speaker 1: when Bruce gets his freaks list compiled for twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four in August. We'll have Bruce ONMWEN when he does that. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you can find him on Twitter at Bruce Feldman CFB.

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Speaker 1: You can find the link to his mock draft there.

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Speaker 1: When we post this, I'll put the link in my

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Speaker 1: tweet as well.

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Speaker 2: Let me try on other guy. I had to think

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Speaker 2: about it because I'm knowing my audience here. So Aja

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Speaker 2: Cornelius is I don't say he's grew up in your backyard,

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Speaker 2: but pretty much did. He started He's a New York kid,

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Speaker 2: started his career at Rhode Island. A bunch of big

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Speaker 2: schools saw him as a really good player who's playing

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Speaker 2: for Stefan Wheeler, who is a former NFL lineman at Uri.

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Speaker 2: And then he ended up at Oregon and he had

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Speaker 2: a really good first year at Oregon. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: you know, I haven't studied him enough and I haven't

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Speaker 2: talked to enough people to say, oh, he's going to

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Speaker 2: project as a top fifteen offensive tackle. He's a really

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Speaker 2: good football player. As a transition into the Big ten

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Speaker 2: this year, again, for Giants fans and people in that area,

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Speaker 2: here's a homegrown kid who's really smart, you know, really

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Speaker 2: likable kid. Who is who transitioned up from Rhode Island,

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Speaker 2: although on the other side of the country into Oregon,

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Speaker 2: and he played really, really well and I think he's

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Speaker 2: on a lot of people's radar should be.

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Speaker 1: I like it. So again, you can find the link

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Speaker 1: to the mock draft on Bruce's Twitter page, And Bruce,

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Speaker 1: any other stories you have out there are coming out

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Speaker 1: that you want people to know about that you wanted

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Speaker 1: to check out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I don't want to keep playing my tri

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Speaker 2: State New York hat here. But I did a story

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Speaker 2: around the Combine that I worked on about Peter Schrager,

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Speaker 2: who is a New Jersey native who has now become

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Speaker 2: a big star for NFL Network and also works at Fox.

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Speaker 2: And what I really wanted to get into is like,

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Speaker 2: Okay and John, I've seen you in India at the

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Speaker 2: Combine and it's just like it's a great network working

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Speaker 2: place and for people who've never been there, people are

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Speaker 2: curious how like the sausage gets made. I always wanted

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Speaker 2: to do a story about the like what kind of

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Speaker 2: networking and how the whole Combine works, and s Traeger

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Speaker 2: was kind of the perfect person to see it through

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Speaker 2: his lens, because you know, he told me when he

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Speaker 2: graduated in emery, he was working doing pr for a

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Speaker 2: Beth Israel hospital in New York and freelance writing on

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Speaker 2: the side and was able to network and hustle and

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Speaker 2: build up you know, this great rolodex and develop these relationships.

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Speaker 2: So if people want to see really how somebody gets

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Speaker 2: connected and kind of the what I would call the

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Speaker 2: art of schmoozing and how it can pay off, read

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Speaker 2: the story. It went up online I think yesterday on

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Speaker 2: The Athletic, and I think it's a fun read.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Bruce, you're the best. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: the time. Enjoy what I guess we call the off

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Speaker 1: season now though as you well know, this really to

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Speaker 1: whole off season in any football related sport anymore. But

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. Thanks so much for the time, and enjoy

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Speaker 1: the draft, my friend.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. John, Thanks for having me, Bruce.

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Speaker 1: Felt in the Athletic, Fox Sports covering college football. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us on the Johns Little Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time. Everybody