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Speaker 1: It is now officially open. This is draft season. Hello everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's all brought to you by Moody's, a proud sponsor

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Speaker 2: of the New York Giants. I am John Schmolke and

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Speaker 2: joined as always, fresh from his trip back from Indianapolis,

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Speaker 2: the one and only Tony Pauline from Essentially Sports.

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Speaker 1: Tony, welcome back to the trice that area, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Good thing. It's the one and only. Yes, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was stressful getting out there because of the snow,

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Speaker 3: which you were unable to do. And then uh, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

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Speaker 3: I was trying to come up with something new, pull

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Speaker 3: the rabbit out of the hat. And all the workouts

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Speaker 3: which are going insanely long now. I mean, I was

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Speaker 3: doing a wrap up video for Essentially Sports seven forty

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Speaker 3: five on Friday. I had to meet somebody for dinner

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Speaker 3: after eight and the tight ends were just running. We're

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Speaker 3: just we're starting their their forty workout. And then yesterday

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Speaker 3: it was like nobody cared because the play the media section,

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Speaker 3: Andy was empty, the hotels were in the JW just

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Speaker 3: saw a few people there. So it's interesting how things work,

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Speaker 3: how things progressed.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how they can still do events on

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Speaker 2: Saturday and Sunday, because I'm sure they want that for

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Speaker 2: television purposes, right, But have the media stuff all done

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Speaker 2: by Friday, I don't know if that's even possible. The

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Speaker 2: offensive line might not get there until like Friday night,

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Speaker 2: a lot of them because they don't work out till Sunday.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if if there's a way to

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Speaker 1: fix that.

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Speaker 2: But the media, that was always the thing, even before

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Speaker 2: they put the offensive lineman on Sunday, Tony, the DBS

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Speaker 2: used to be the last day, and we never used

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Speaker 2: to stay for that either, and now just happens to

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Speaker 3: Back in the day when I first started going, the

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Speaker 3: DB's were the final group and that was on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Now they did have pressed availability for the offensive lineman

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Speaker 3: on Saturday, because I was down in the mediate room

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Speaker 3: on Saturday and the offensive lineman got some actually got

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Speaker 3: some good quotes and spoke with a couple of guys.

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Speaker 1: Not many people were there though, Right everyone had left

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Speaker 1: by then? Right?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean radio row. I think I popped

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Speaker 3: one person want one station whatever still operating the Media Center,

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Speaker 3: all Fox and everything had cleared out, and I mean

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Speaker 3: it was basically maybe a couple dozen reporters sticking their

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Speaker 3: camera phones and their microphones up when the offensive lineman

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it stinks because the offensive linemen are usually great quotes,

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Speaker 2: you know, they tell good stories, they're great personalities. And

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Speaker 2: no one's doing live shows on Saturdays. That's the problem.

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Speaker 2: You know, all these networks are playing games, whether it's

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Speaker 2: college basketball or whatever. You know, we're not doing weekend

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Speaker 2: there just because the scheduling purposes. And it stinks because

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Speaker 2: the offensive linemen are always some of the funnest people

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Speaker 3: Never Mind, it's probably as a unit the most important

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Speaker 3: So you can need the quarterback running back, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter if you don't have an offensive line. Even it's

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Speaker 3: important to defense because they got to control the ball.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, we'll see. Yesterday I had posted

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Speaker 3: in my news section about some changes coming up that

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Speaker 3: are expected in the combine potentially as soon as next year.

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Speaker 3: It's not as far as it's not going to change

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Speaker 3: that schedule. Other than that, the forties and some of

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Speaker 3: the testing will all take place for the players in

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Speaker 3: which makes sense because for years, but I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: to the combine players and more so, their agents have

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Speaker 2: Can they make it or can they make it a

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Speaker 3: It is, but it's understandable because of what I just said.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me before they run the forty, and if you look,

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Speaker 3: there were only a few guys whose second forty attempt

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Speaker 3: right or wrong, people may disagree, but they're late. They're

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Speaker 3: their first forty. I mean, they're not tired. I saw

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Speaker 3: I've done this. I'll just do the three conic pro.

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Speaker 1: Day, all right.

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Speaker 2: So let's do our combine review here, Tony. That's going

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Speaker 2: to be today's show. I will Where do you want

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Speaker 2: to start? Do you want to go reverse order in

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Speaker 2: to do this, Tony?

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Speaker 3: You tell me, let's go court, Let's go our usual

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Speaker 3: order when we do quarterback, running back, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Still, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: So we'll start quarterback and I'll do my usual caveat

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Speaker 2: that I find throwing at the combine for quarterbacks to

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Speaker 2: the ball comes out of their hands. But look, I'll

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Speaker 2: be honest, the two things struck me. One, you kind

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Speaker 2: of see the you know, the men separator from the

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Speaker 2: boys when they run that one deep out route and

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Speaker 2: like eighty percent of the quarterbacks were all over the

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Speaker 2: it's supposed to be. But I thought ty Simpson did

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Speaker 2: it's not that important. I thought Ty Simpson had a

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Speaker 3: Made for ty Simpson. He's got terrific physical skills for

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Speaker 3: the most parties accurate. Ty Simpson's issue as far as

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Speaker 3: which will kill him. On Sunday, it's not a problem

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Speaker 3: for a combined workout. Completely agree with you about. You know,

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Speaker 3: the deep out is the money throw at the NFL combine.

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit longer than twenty yards. It's thirty

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Speaker 3: year is in years past they do the deep out

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Speaker 3: They only did it on the right side. This year

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Speaker 3: to check out both the receiver and the quarterback. I

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Speaker 3: agree with you about ty Simpson, thirty, had terrific workout.

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Speaker 3: He was accurate, he was on the money with his throws.

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Speaker 3: And remember this is the first, as far as I know,

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Speaker 3: first time. His primary target, Jermaine Bernard was in the

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Speaker 3: thought Carson Beck was also very good, very accurate. A

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Speaker 3: he had a terrific workout. I was also surprised with

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Speaker 3: Garrett Nussmeyer in the sense that we talked about this.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to see Garrett Nusmeyer. Was he able to

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Speaker 3: I didn't see too much of that. So nuss Meyer,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think all three of those guys

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Speaker 2: did pretty well. And then I think the rest of

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Speaker 2: the group you're looking at it, you know, day three

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Speaker 1: We'll see how that shakes itself out.

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Speaker 2: All right, Tony, Let's jump over to the running back position,

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Speaker 2: where it's a group that was not very ballyhooed coming

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Speaker 1: Not many of them ran the forty yard dash.

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Speaker 2: A lot of running backs, you know, decided not to

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna run very fast.

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Speaker 2: And that kind of brings me to a larger point,

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Speaker 2: Tony before we get to the running back specifically, if

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Speaker 2: i'd hear one more time during the combine broadcast, and

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Speaker 2: you know Rich Eisen and Dale, Jeremia, Charles Davis there

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Speaker 2: was the fastest group that we've ever seen in the

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Speaker 2: NFL combined. Do you know why it was the fastest group?

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Speaker 2: None of the slow guys ran. So if all the

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Speaker 2: guys do, guess what, the average time's gonna be really good.

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Speaker 2: And you just had fewer slow guys running this year.

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Speaker 2: It's not that complicated, John, That's.

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Speaker 3: Why you should be on the broadcast, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: You know two things from the running backs, and I

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Speaker 3: tend to agree with you. Although there were some pretty

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Speaker 3: didn't take my mathematician put my mathematician hat on and

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Speaker 3: I thought Jeremiah Love was terrific, ran faster than expected.

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Speaker 3: I thought the fact that he just participated in the

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Speaker 3: a couple of the other running backs, I thought spoke

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Speaker 3: volumes your guy. Mike Washington was absolutely incredible in the

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Speaker 3: is about expectations, and the expectations for Mike Washington, who

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Speaker 3: came into the season, greated as a street free agent,

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Speaker 3: played well in twenty twenty five, had had a great

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Speaker 3: senior ball. The fact that here's the guy people expected

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Speaker 3: runs a four to three to three, has a thirty

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Speaker 3: nine inch vertical jump. You know, the athleticism is there,

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Speaker 3: I think speaks volume for you. For him. Obviously he's

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Speaker 3: jumped up draft boards because of that. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: He four nine was the unofficial. I'm not sure what

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Speaker 3: And ran relatively well four four to nine, which is,

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Speaker 3: It didn't really stand out to me. McGowan had a

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Speaker 1: I think that he did really, really well.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's jump over to wide receivers here, Tony,

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Speaker 2: One of those five guys tested one. In terms of

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Speaker 3: And the guy that did run, Carnell Tait, there's some

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Speaker 3: That discrepancy's always been there and it will always be

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Speaker 3: put them there, That's why they have them sit there

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Speaker 3: Jordan Tyson not to work out. I mean, with considering

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Speaker 3: I didn't think that Zel Boston did exceptionally well during

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Speaker 2: We talked he had some drops. He had a couple

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Speaker 3: Malachai feels took a real big hit. He ran slower

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Speaker 3: love him. Never really considered him a top forty five

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Speaker 3: that combine workout really killed him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: So the fact that he did not do the jumps,

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Speaker 2: He ran on the forty, that makes you worry that

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Speaker 2: he's six to two. He didn't have elite production. I

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Speaker 3: Love him.

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Speaker 2: He's still good play. But I think given those measurements,

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Speaker 3: If you had him in the top seven, I never did.

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Speaker 3: we never looked at Carnell Tait as a vertical wide up.

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Speaker 3: Catches the ball extremely well, extends his hands, makes the

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Speaker 3: So it's all, I guess relevant to what you thought beforehand.

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Speaker 3: I always thought that any receiver in the top ten

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Speaker 2: As he totally I saw him as a deep threat.

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Speaker 2: You know, you watch him. He look at his yards

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Speaker 2: I think he was a sixteen. I'm trying to bring

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Speaker 2: He's like a sixteen seventeen yard per catch guy. I'm

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Speaker 2: I thought he did pretty well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And another guy that we spoke to at length

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Speaker 3: is a great receiver. Great runner, and I think you

439
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Speaker 3: saw that during Bernard's position work at the combine.

440
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the guy was gonna bring up before

441
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Speaker 1: he moved on to the next position. Tony. I thought

442
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Speaker 1: he was really really good and showed a little bit

443
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Speaker 1: more juice. I thought.

444
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Speaker 2: Then, I think I see him as kind of like

445
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Speaker 2: a possession slot type of guy. But I thought he

446
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Speaker 2: I thought he did a really really nice job. I

447
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Speaker 2: ken leave you to bring you a good guy, Dean Burks.

448
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Speaker 2: He've been a big d On Berks fan all year

449
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Speaker 2: and he comes up and blows this place up.

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Speaker 1: Tony. I was waiting for you to take care take

451
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Speaker 1: your flowers.

452
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad to see that. I actually spoke with

453
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Speaker 3: him at length whenever they I think it was Friday

454
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Speaker 3: four to three in the forty four forty two and

455
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Speaker 3: a half Burke ten eleven. The issue with Burks is

456
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 3: the physical skills have always been there. He's a little

457
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Speaker 3: bit shorter at five foot ten, and the injury history.

458
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Speaker 3: You know, we talked about Jordan Tyson with Dean Burks.

459
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Speaker 3: It's also an issue with the injuries too. Excellent interview.

460
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Speaker 3: Answered a lot of questions. Well, a lot of stuff

461
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Speaker 3: is rehearsed. Very happy to see it. I absolutely believe

462
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Speaker 3: I've had him as a top forty I had him

463
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Speaker 3: as a top forty five pick at the very worst.

464
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Speaker 3: I think this affirms him or seals him, cement him

465
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Speaker 3: as a top sixty selection. We talk about his receiver skills,

466
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Speaker 3: he also has returnability as well at the next level.

467
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it did a really nice job, and there was

468
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Speaker 2: one other guy here that I wanted to mention, you

469
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Speaker 2: know what maybe although yeah, you mentioned it before, Zach

470
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Speaker 2: why aer Branch. His testing was great Tony, But I

471
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Speaker 2: thought the field workout for him was important, right as

472
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Speaker 2: a guy that was kind of a gimmicky gadget wide

473
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Speaker 2: receiver for Georgia, a lot of screens, a lot of

474
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Speaker 2: stuff around the line of scrimmage, didn't catch a lot

475
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Speaker 2: of balls downfield. I thought he his field workout was

476
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Speaker 2: really good, and I did think that was very important

477
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Speaker 2: for him given some of the questions that we were

478
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Speaker 2: all left with after watching his tape this year.

479
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Speaker 3: His route running was incredible and what really stood out

480
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Speaker 3: to me a position Jills is the way he explodes

481
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Speaker 3: out of his routes. You know, he's able to run

482
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Speaker 3: his routes without losing momentum. He doesn't gather into breaks,

483
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Speaker 3: you know, is he I still think he's going to

484
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Speaker 3: be more of a gadget player. At five to nine,

485
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Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy seven pounds, you're gonna have to

486
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Speaker 3: line him up on the slot. You got to keep

487
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Speaker 3: them off for press coverage. And the film shows that

488
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Speaker 3: you know he needs, he needs space to work. But

489
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Speaker 3: the speed and the route running and he caught everything

490
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Speaker 3: that was thrown to him, I would agree with you

491
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Speaker 3: he as I mentioned earlier, I thought he was one

492
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Speaker 3: of the better receivers at the combine.

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Speaker 2: Don't just attend Johns Shmoke, Tony Pauline. We're rolling through

499
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Speaker 2: our positions here on our Combine review. Tony, Let's go

500
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Speaker 2: to tight end here. Really good jumps and forty times

501
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Speaker 2: from Eli Stowers and Kenyon Sadik didn't see anything from

502
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Speaker 2: them after that, did not do any of the field

503
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Speaker 2: drills and otherwise. I thought we just saw a bunch

504
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Speaker 2: of guys that I would feel really comfortable picking, kind

505
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Speaker 2: of like in the middle of this draft, you know,

506
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Speaker 2: some guys like more of an f guy, some guys

507
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 2: more of a yan line guy, but guys that can

508
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 2: definitely fill roles. Maybe not your number one tight end,

509
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Speaker 2: maybe not a future you know, pro bowler or high

510
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Speaker 2: end starter, but a bunch of guys that can contribute

511
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Speaker 2: for you at that position for years to come.

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Speaker 3: And we knew that, right, Isn't that what we talked about.

513
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Speaker 3: It was one guy, Kenyan Sadik at the top, and

514
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Speaker 3: I think he absolutely helped himself. We knew he was

515
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Speaker 3: a great athlete. He proved to be. We knew he

516
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Speaker 3: was a real good athlete. He proved to be to

517
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Speaker 3: be an Olympic type athlete with his testing with the

518
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Speaker 3: UH with the bench press. In the fact he's got

519
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Speaker 3: hands over ten inches that also helps, but we knew

520
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Speaker 3: that was coming into the into the process. I think

521
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Speaker 3: Eli Stowers helped himself running in the low four fives. Again,

522
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Speaker 3: you have to you want to be expectations at the combine.

523
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Speaker 3: Eli Stouers was considered a four to six y five

524
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Speaker 3: guy by scouts coming into the season. He runs a

525
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Speaker 3: four or five to one at the combine, that's really

526
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Speaker 3: going to help him, help him a lot. I thought

527
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Speaker 3: Quavis was pretty solid. You mentioned liking Lake McCree. Uh,

528
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Speaker 3: but but you're right. I mean we got what we

529
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Speaker 3: expected from the tight end, class one guy at the top.

530
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Speaker 3: A lot of players starting probably you know, mental late

531
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Speaker 3: second round through the fourth, fifth round that will start

532
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Speaker 3: off as number two's and maybe develop into number ones

533
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Speaker 3: at the next level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Eli rarean and I thought was pretty good. Like

535
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Speaker 2: McCree you mentioned, I thought he did a pretty nice job.

536
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Speaker 2: What do you think of the Stanford Titan, Tony. A

537
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Speaker 2: lot of people were raving about the job he did.

538
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's.

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Speaker 3: Solid, He's in my opinion, he's your classic number two,

540
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Speaker 3: number three tight end. He catches the ball well, he's good.

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Speaker 3: But there's nothing that stands out to me about him

542
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Speaker 3: on film that makes me say we're going to take

543
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Speaker 3: him in the third or fourth round.

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Speaker 2: I want to see a better time out of Tanner

545
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Speaker 2: Coozial running. I think at four to seven to one

546
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Speaker 2: was the time I've ritten down for him.

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Speaker 3: What do you think Maryland was an interesting with R. G.

548
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Speaker 3: Maryland of SMU, is it was an interesting one. I mean,

549
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Speaker 3: he ran super fast. Here's a guy that's been switched

550
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Speaker 3: back between receiver and tight end at U at SMU

551
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: missed most of last season with the knee injury. Four

552
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Speaker 3: or five to one at two hundred and thirty six

553
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Speaker 3: pounds six foot four, which means he's got some growth potential.

554
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Speaker 3: So I think what RG. Maryland did is, you know,

555
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Speaker 3: when you get into those late rounds, teams are looking

556
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Speaker 3: for those size speed guys. He's a size speed guy.

557
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Speaker 3: Are you going to use him as a conventional tight end?

558
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Speaker 3: Are you going to use him as an h back?

559
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Speaker 3: Are you going to use them you know, lind up

560
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Speaker 3: in the backfield on occasion? Whatever it is, just as

561
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Speaker 3: long as his medicals are clean from the knee injury

562
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. I think Maryland helped himself with

563
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Speaker 3: his testing and the fact that he came in at

564
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Speaker 3: six foot four, two hundred and thirty six pounds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly helped.

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Speaker 2: So let's go to the offensive line here, Tony, and look,

567
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Speaker 2: I think there's as many questions of the as there

568
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Speaker 2: were before we started with this group. I think some

569
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Speaker 2: guys did well in terms of movement skills. I just think,

570
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Speaker 2: you know, Spencer final again just kind of looked different

571
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Speaker 2: than everybody else. His lateral movement, his quickness is fluidy,

572
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Speaker 2: his smoothness, his ability to change directions.

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Speaker 1: Only thirty and a half inch arms, I think it was.

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Speaker 3: Now thirty two and eighth and and and that is

575
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Speaker 3: a big concern. I'm going to disagree with you, but no,

576
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Speaker 3: was my number one tackle coming in the process with

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Speaker 3: thirty two and eight inch arms. I think he's number

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Speaker 3: two tackle if he even is a tackle now. If

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Speaker 3: you're following me on Twitter, I put a tweet out

580
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Speaker 3: there yesterday that I'm I was seeing smaller than expected

581
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Speaker 3: arm length with the combine like last year, and I

582
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Speaker 3: mentioned Max I and a corps who will speak about

583
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Speaker 3: and Mike's I in a corps. At the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 3: his arm length was thirty four and a half inches.

585
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Speaker 3: At the combine it was I believe thirty three and

586
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Speaker 3: five eighths inches. I'll bring it up in a second

587
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Speaker 3: thirty four and a half inches at the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 3: thirty three and seven astents. So he was five eighths

589
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Speaker 3: of an inch shorter at the combine than he was

590
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Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl. We saw this last year, if

591
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Speaker 3: you remember Will Campbell last year was like thirty two

592
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Speaker 3: and three eighths at the combine. Then all of a

593
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: sudden that Pro day he was thirty three inches. I

594
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Speaker 3: don't know. I don't think that Fano is going to

595
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Speaker 3: be able to get an extra seven eighths of an

596
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Speaker 3: inch arm length at Pro Day. I think it'll be

597
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Speaker 3: closer to thirty three inches, but I think that arm

598
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Speaker 3: measurement right there. Maybe he's the number one offensive lineman,

599
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Speaker 3: but he's definitely not the number one offensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: He moved well though, man like his movement fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Completely agree with you. As far as the offensive lineman

602
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: was concerned, he was the cream of the crop. What

603
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: he won four nine to one, which tied three other

604
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Speaker 3: guys as the fastest time. His position work was outstanding.

605
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Speaker 3: He was quick footed, he was smooth. You know, you

606
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 3: don't want to see a lot of hurky jerky motion

607
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: in these guys. You want to see a lot of fluidity.

608
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: You want to see when they change direction. They're able

609
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 3: to easily change direction. Rather than gather themselves and change direction.

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Speaker 3: You saw a lot of fluity, a lot of smooth as.

611
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: You saw good footwork from you know, throughout the throughout

612
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Speaker 3: the process, throughout the workout on Sunday. But the big

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Speaker 3: topic for him is going to be the arm length.

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Speaker 3: You know, canny play. Is he going to be a tackle?

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Speaker 3: Is going to be a left tackle on Sunday? Or

616
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Speaker 3: will teams look at that arm length, which I'm sure

617
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Speaker 3: is still going to come under thirty three inches of

618
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Speaker 3: Pro Day and say, no, we gotta kick him inside

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Speaker 3: the guard.

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Speaker 2: Mali Noa did go over thirty three inches on the

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Speaker 2: arm length, Tony, but he did not do any field.

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Speaker 3: Work, yeah, which I mean you saw a lot of

623
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Speaker 3: the Indiana guys and the Miami guys. Some of them

624
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: just did position drills. Some of them just ran a

625
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Speaker 3: forty and that was it. Few of them did the

626
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Speaker 3: complete workouts. I guess he has a he's got an excuse.

627
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Speaker 3: He was thirty three and a quarter inches arm length

628
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Speaker 3: at the combine. I'm sure when it gets to Miami

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Speaker 3: Brode he's gonna be like thirty three and five eightstins

630
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Speaker 3: or close to thirty four inches. But yeah, sixty five

631
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Speaker 3: and a half three hundred twenty nine pounds. I mean,

632
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: you know, it is what it is. With the college

633
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: football season getting being pushed into the middle of January,

634
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Speaker 3: these guys now have an excuse not to work out.

635
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you, Tony.

636
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Speaker 2: All right, let's take it tackle here before we go

637
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Speaker 2: over to guard. You mentioned Max Ayana Shore four nine

638
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 2: thirty three and seven eight's arms. You mentioned six six

639
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: three twenty one freeling out of Georgia. I thought was

640
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: pretty good. Six seven three fifteen thirty four and three

641
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Speaker 2: quarters arm length. I thought he did break. Caleb Loom

642
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: who I thought looked pretty good running the drill, sixty

643
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Speaker 2: six three thirteen with thirty four plus inch arms. Blake Miller,

644
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Speaker 2: I thought looked okay. Caiden Proctor three point fifty two.

645
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Speaker 2: I guess that's not bad for him given where I

646
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: think he played during the year, so it's not a

647
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: terrible number. But he's still heavy, only thirty three and

648
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Speaker 2: three eighths arms, which was surprising to me given that

649
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Speaker 2: he's so tall. But that's where it came in for him.

650
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Speaker 2: I thought he moved, okay, change the direction. Maybe I

651
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: thought it was a little bit wonky, But I look,

652
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Speaker 2: I think it's it's a decent tackle class. If you

653
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Speaker 2: want one, you better get one by pick fifty, otherwise

654
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: are all going to be gone.

655
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: But I thought the guys did okay.

656
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: In Rie Cruise, Enrique Cruz from Kansas. I mean, here's

657
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: a guy who wasn't even on the scouting radar before

658
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: the season began. It wasn't created had a good senior season.

659
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: Three hundred and thirteen pounds, runs four nine to four

660
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: with a very quick one to seven, four to ten slit,

661
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 3: thirty five inch vertical jump, nine foot eight in abroad,

662
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: thirty three and three quarter inch arms as a combine,

663
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: which I'm sure means when Kansas Proday comes around, he's

664
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: gonna be over thirty four inches. And he looked at

665
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: athletic curing position Jews. I mean, he was fluid, he

666
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: was smooth, moved around the field exceptionally well. I mean again,

667
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: for a guy who wasn't on the scouting radar prior

668
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: to the season, for him to perform like this, he

669
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: may be a two year project, but he's he cemented

670
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: himself as a Day three pick that has a tremendous

671
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: amount of upside. I noticed two guys. As you mentioned

672
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: two things. I know is Freeling kind of petered out

673
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: at the end of the workout. He looked like he

674
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: was really struggling, whether it was conditioning, what it was,

675
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 3: but he kind of died at the end of the workout.

676
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: Blake Miller had good times, but during position drills, I

677
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: thought Blake Miller was very stiff. I mean he did

678
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: not perform athletically during position drills as we saw during

679
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: the test and portion of it. And my guy MaTx

680
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: Cyana Kor, I mean he was terrific. He's absolutely terrific.

681
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: I think you got to start to talk about him

682
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: as a potential late first round pick. But the Patriots

683
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: want to go offensive line. You get a right tackle

684
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: for the future. I think that's the way they got

685
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: to look.

686
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: Let's go to the interior offensive line here, Tony. I

687
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: thought Chase Besontes of the guards, moved the best. I

688
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: thought he was very mobile. I thought he moved very well.

689
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: I thought our guy Vega was was fine.

690
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: Iowan a. I thought he was Okay.

691
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: You know, he's never the he he is not a

692
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: great mover, but we knew that going in. He wasn't gonna,

693
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: you know, wile people with his athleticism is side to

694
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: side as fluidity.

695
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: He's he's a mallar.

696
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: He's gonna beat the you know what at you, and

697
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: he's gonna enjoy every minute of it. I thought Trey

698
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: Zoo moved pretty well. You know where he winds up

699
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: at center or wherever he winds up playing uh. Logan

700
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: Jones the Iowa Center, I thought moved pretty well over

701
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: the course of the day. I thought he was pretty impressive.

702
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: And then your guy a man, you'll break going. I

703
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: want to give you a chance to talk about him again.

704
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: Much like Vega, he's not gonna be the smoothest mover

705
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: because he's more of a maller type.

706
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: But I thought he was fine too.

707
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: He shows on film the ability to block on the

708
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: second level, lookt out there and take takeout linebackers, take

709
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: out players as smaller players than him, the ability to

710
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: redirect uh and he blatched this with a nasty, nasty attitude.

711
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: I think he's very undervalued. Getting back to Logan Jones,

712
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: four nine the fastest time of all the offensive lineman

713
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: one seven to five split his arms. He's two hundred

714
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: and ninety nine pounds you're thinking his own blocking scheme.

715
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: His arms were under thirty one inches at the combine,

716
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: which means pro day I would expect it to be

717
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: uh probably thirty one in chains. That's gonna keep him

718
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: as a Day three pick. I thought Jennings Dunker did

719
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: relatively well four one eight in the forty big deal,

720
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: but he moved much better. I thought that he tested

721
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: on the field. Jagger Burton of Kentucky four nine four

722
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 3: and the forty with a quick ten yard split of

723
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: one seven six. I thought he did very well in

724
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: the position drills. And A Cooper of Miami like MARIOA

725
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: did not test, but I thought he looked really good

726
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: in position drills. And Az Cooper from Miami, a guy

727
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: that people don't talk about, but I thought he looked

728
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: terrific in position drills for a three hundred and thirty

729
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: four pounds lineman. I think he cemented himself as a

730
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: Day three selection.

731
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Burton's one of those guys I talked to with

732
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl as well.

733
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: If you guys want to find those and these guys

734
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: that we talked to, go to the Johnstontle podcast.

735
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: Guys, you go back. It's I don't know about at

736
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: this point.

737
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: In a month ago, we had a chance to talk

738
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: to a bunch of guys at the Shrine Bowl and

739
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl.

740
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: A lot of the guys were talking about some.

741
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: Of them are on audio only, so go to make

742
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: sure you go subscribe on your favorite podcast platform to

743
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: check that out.

744
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: You know, let me just sit, don't you're looking at

745
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 3: pregnant here we're talking more thirty five inch vertical shoe.

746
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 3: That is pretty good for a three hundred and fourteen

747
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 3: pound offensive lineman.

748
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: Well explosive.

749
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: You know, he's he's got power in his legs and

750
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: I think you do see that. You just don't get

751
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: to get the side to side twitchiness really that you

752
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: would think, but again we don't expect watching them play.

753
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: That's not what his game is. You know, he's not

754
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: as mobile.

755
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 3: As like a eleven inch eleven inch hands as well,

756
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 3: you know, people the handling, you know, you want offensive

757
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: line with big hands to get him into that defense,

758
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: into those defenders. It's easy, easy for them to control

759
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: the opponents.

760
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,320
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762
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Speaker 2: he's dot com all right, Tony, I jumped to the

763
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball, defensive tackle.

764
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

765
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 2: It just didn't do it for me. Cayleb Banks was fine,

766
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: didn't finish his workout. He was a really good athlete.

767
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: Then we just have a bunch of like pluggers in

768
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: this group, right. Zane Durant was really good. We knew

769
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 2: he was gonna be always small. He's under three indred pounds.

770
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: I've always got a bunch of nose tackles. I don't

771
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: want to see these nose tackles run all these drills

772
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: and run forties. It just doesn't really matter with what

773
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 2: you gonna ask him to do anyway.

774
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: Grace Holton had his had his moments. I thought. I

775
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: thought Caleb Procter of Southeastern Louisiana, who we saw at

776
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: the shri and Ball, actually did pretty good four seven

777
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: nine to forty thirty three inch verticle jump. Look transitioned

778
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: those testing skills into position drills on the field. To

779
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 3: transit those testing numbers into position drills. Only two hundred

780
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 3: and ninety one pounds. He's a one gap three technique guy.

781
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 3: But the testing numbers match up with what you want

782
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: in a three technique lineman for seven to one twenty

783
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 3: yard shuttle, which is good because you want those three

784
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: technique one gap guys to have a good change in direction.

785
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: I thought he did very well, but I would agree

786
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 3: with you. Peter Woods didn't work out, and all the

787
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: other guys were Xavin Harris was okay. Lee Hunter had

788
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: his moments but was not consistent. I thought Albert Regis

789
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: looked good at times. McClellan, I thought christ McClellan looked

790
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 3: good there and positioned. Jill's very athletic. Uh you mentioned

791
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: his am durant. I'm going down list here. No one

792
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: popped at that position, no one at all except for

793
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: the later round guys.

794
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm with you. So let's jump over to the edge position.

795
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: Now, Tony and you know, to me, I want to

796
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: start here because I think it's an interesting conversation.

797
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: Keldrick Falk looked like the guy that he was on tape. Right.

798
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: He was smooth.

799
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: He ran the hoop joe pretty well, but man, there's

800
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: no burst like I got that first defensive line drill.

801
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 2: He ran where you kind of go side the side,

802
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: the front back. It's like he was running in quicksand

803
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: then I'm just gonna struggle with him because I just

804
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of him. Because he

805
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: you could tell he's a good athlete. He's big, he's long,

806
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: he's smooth, but I just don't see that burst out

807
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: of him. So I'm gonna have trouble with him all

808
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: draft cycle. I know it already, and I don't know.

809
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: I don't know what team's gonna like him and what

810
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: teams aren't.

811
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: Oh you didn't see a burst or you didn't see effort.

812
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: I mean, and that's gotta be the question, because I

813
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: agree with you, and you're talking to a guy who

814
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 3: was really high on Keldric Fall coming into the season.

815
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: I thought it is a potential top five pick. When

816
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 3: I broke down the Auburn film, which is right before

817
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: I left the combine, I was horrified. I was like,

818
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: you know, this guy flashes brilliance and then he disappears.

819
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: He looks like he you know, he wants he would

820
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 3: rather be outfishing or something whatever he likes to do.

821
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: And I saw the same thing during the combine. I

822
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: didn't see a guy that looked like he wanted to

823
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: kill it like some of these other guys. I just

824
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: saw a guy who was like, Okay, I'm here, let's

825
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 3: just go through it, go through the exercise, which really

826
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: disappointed me because I'm a Kendrick Fall guy. So I

827
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: completely agree with you. It was an extension of what

828
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: I saw on film, and I really was disappointed to

829
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 3: the point of being like, what am I looking at

830
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: watching him on film?

831
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: All right, so let's go to a guy that didn't

832
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: work out, and then we'll get to the positives. Ruben

833
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: Bain measured in just under thirty one inch arms. Like,

834
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: to your point, that's probably gonna be higher when they

835
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: gets remeasured in Miami's per day. But even if it is,

836
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: even if he guys at the thirty one and a half,

837
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: it's still very short for a defensive end edge player.

838
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: He's a very uniquely shaped guy. A lot of people

839
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: think he might be a better three technique, but he's

840
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: only two hundred and seventy pounds. He didn't work out obstensibly,

841
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: and again you mentioned in Miami they only played about

842
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: a month ago, so you know, I get those guys

843
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: not being ready to go here, but I don't think

844
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: he's gonna test very well. I just he doesn't when

845
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: you watch him my tape, he doesn't look like a

846
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: guy that's gonna test very well. So from what you

847
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: heard about people in their opinions on Bain, his tape's excellent.

848
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: I would still have no problem using a top ten

849
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: pick on him, and I do it without blinking. I

850
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: think he's that powerful and that strong and that real lentless,

851
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: that good of a player. But what were you hearing

852
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: about Bain and what kind of the decision makers were

853
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 2: saying about him out there?

854
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: They don't know yet. I mean the talk was about

855
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: the arm length and the short arm length. Although short

856
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 3: arm length and a guy like Rubyen Bain is not

857
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 3: as bad as say Caleb Fano, which is gonna basically

858
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: quick to a potential position change Spencer for Spencer fan,

859
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 3: I apologize.

860
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: I do the same thing.

861
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: I always combined Caleb Luno at Spencer for those are

862
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: both Utah live bit and there's also a Fino edge player,

863
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: which makes it even more.

864
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: Concud By the way correct right, his brother there was

865
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: it was like a wait and see. You know he's

866
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: a good edge rusher. The production was a concern. Of

867
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: the lack of production was a concern because yeah, he

868
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: gets up, he gets up the field a lot. Remember

869
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 3: we had the same conversation about Shamar Stewart a year ago.

870
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: I mean a guy who was a great athlete, who

871
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 3: was gett behind the line of scamage and he had

872
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: what two sacks, So that is that was a concern.

873
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: It's going to be a weight and see as far

874
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: as his testing numbers or I didn't hear anybody. A

875
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: lot of people use the word risk when it came

876
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: to Reuben Bain. There's a bit of risk there, more

877
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: so than what I heard coming into the combine. And

878
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: it was the same thing with the Key Mezzador because

879
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: the Key Mesador is not the biggest guy in the world.

880
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: He didn't work out like Bane. They're gonna wait for

881
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 3: the Miami broday. He'll probably throw up sensation numbers six

882
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: three fifty nine pounds, which means he's not gonna get

883
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: that much bigger.

884
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: Is he?

885
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 3: Out of a three point stance? Guy is the best

886
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: enough to stand over tackle? What's his versatility? So I

887
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 3: think they they from what I was hearing is there's

888
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: a bit of risk in both Miami guys.

889
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I buy that.

890
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: Well, there's there's a concern of risk with most most

891
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: both Miami guys, which is the better way to put.

892
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: It all right, David Bally I thought was excellent. He

893
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: did everything he needed to do.

894
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: I don't think.

895
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: I think he sticks right where he is. Then I

896
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: did a Sutton Tony really nice job. Again, not the

897
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: twitchiest or change of direction or bendie, but that's fine.

898
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: He's a big, strong, powerful, explosive edge guy that's gonna

899
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: be good against the run and be a pocket crusher.

900
00:40:58,760 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: TJ.

901
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: Parker, I thought, well, I think he's he's right where

902
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: he needs to be in that you know, mid bottom

903
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: half of the first round.

904
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: Romelo Height I thought was fine.

905
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: I wish his I wish his forty was a little

906
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: bit faster than four to six four, but I'll take it.

907
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: Malchi Lawrence was great. Another guy that we spoke to

908
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: out there at the Shrine Bowl. Go find that interview

909
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: forty inch vert ten ten broad one five eight split

910
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 2: which is ridiculously good, four five three forty yard dash overall.

911
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 2: And then another guy we talked we didn't talk to

912
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: him at the Shrine Bowl where we talked about him

913
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: a lot. Mason Rieger out of Wisconsin came into two

914
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty one pounds. I thought he might be

915
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: lighter than that, but two fifty one is a good weight.

916
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: Forty inch vert uh ten five broad one six one

917
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: forty split four seven nine forty.

918
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: He was very very fast. So those are the guys

919
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: that kind of jumped out to me.

920
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: And Rieger was terrific in position Chols absolutely terrific. With

921
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: with Lawrence. You know a guy that it didn't have

922
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: great production, but you know, you looked at the size

923
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: six four two fifty three, you figure he could on

924
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 3: more weight. Incredibly athletic. It's just a matter of transitioning

925
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: that athletic skills into production. David Baily, people talk about

926
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 3: the forty times. What impressed me about David Baily was

927
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 3: in position Driells, the way he was able to drop

928
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: in the space, the amount of movement he was able

929
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: to cover, the change of direction. His hands were terrible

930
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 3: because he kept dropping all the bands and throwing to

931
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: him as far as interception interception or coverage drills were concerned,

932
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 3: but the movement skills and the ability to go sideline

933
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 3: to sideline and get depth, you know that you could

934
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 3: use him on on zone blitzes. I agree with you

935
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: about Dennis Sutton. I thought lt Overton was relatively effective.

936
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: Two hundred and seventy four pounds ran a four eighty seven,

937
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: but good in position. Jells a lot of explosion, a

938
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: lot of pop lout of suddenness in his game, if

939
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 3: you will. Casius Howell another guy that had shorter arms

940
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 3: and expected going down the list here. Height was solid

941
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: and said tray more. Tray More of Texas is worth

942
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: the conversation. Conversation. They have him branded as an edge rusher.

943
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: Six and forty three pounds ran a four five four

944
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 3: thirty eight and a half inch vertical jump. He had,

945
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: as I reported, had a Grade three pectorial strain which

946
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: he was working out in. Didn't do position drills. Here's

947
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: the thing about Trey Moore again, and this really annoys me.

948
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: He's being branded as an edge rusher, but he's more

949
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: of a three down linebacker. I believe he was misused

950
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: a miscast of Texas. You go back to his Texas

951
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: San Antonio film when he played there, and he was

952
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: a terrific off ball linebacker, and he's got off ball

953
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 3: linebacker testing numbers and coaches I spoke to said, yes,

954
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 3: you know, we like him not as an edge rusher,

955
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: but playing off the line of scrimmage in space. I

956
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: was told that if he's healthy, teams really want to

957
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 3: see him do winebacker drills, not edge rushing drills. Linebacker

958
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: drills during the Texas Pro Day. So that's something to

959
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: keep an eye on. And there was a time when

960
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: Trey Moore was considered a top one hundred prospect. His

961
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 3: game has kind of falling off, I think because he

962
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: was misused at Texas. Uh So, if he falls into

963
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: Day three, which is a possibility, some team is going

964
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: to get a gonna get a steal.

965
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: Moodies is a proud part of the New York Giants,

966
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Speaker 2: uniting the brightest minds to turn today's risk into tomorrow's opportunities.

967
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Speaker 2: Learn more at Moody's dot com well Tony. Speaking of

968
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: off ball linebackers that people want to put at edge,

969
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: let's start off Orees here.

970
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: As we get to the linebackers.

971
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 2: Sixty four two forty one thirty two and a half

972
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: inch arms jumped well four four seven forty yard dash

973
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: did a nice job. I mean, I think his workout

974
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: was was was really good. I still see him as

975
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: I like him better as an off ball linebacker than

976
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 2: a straight up edge. But he was very clear when

977
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: he spoke at the podium, I see myself as an

978
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: edge player. I'm sure as agent told him that when

979
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: he showed him the comparative salaries between edge players and

980
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: off ball linebackers, and that was the end.

981
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: Of that conversation.

982
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: But look, to me, he's still a you know, slam

983
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: dunk top five player, and whether you want to, you know,

984
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: play him the first two downs at off ball and

985
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: then rush him on third down, however you want to

986
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: use him, he's a really good football player.

987
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: He knows how to play.

988
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: So while he might be a projection as an edge player,

989
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: there is no projection in terms of his instinctual instincts

990
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: as a football player. And now how good of a

991
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: football player is but he's a good football player right now,

992
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: and his testing did nothing to make you think differently.

993
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 3: The thing about Reese is, you know, I mentioned Jeremiah

994
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 3: Love going through the entire workout, so did Reese. In fact,

995
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 3: at the end of the linebacker workout, I don't know

996
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 3: what they showed on the TV, but I stayed they

997
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 3: brought out the hoops for him to do the hoop.

998
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: Oh did they but he heard himself.

999
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 3: He looked like he heard his hamstringer or he heard

1000
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: his hip on the first one, and they kind of

1001
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: ushered him off. It didn't look serious, but he did

1002
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 3: stay out there and give it the go I agree

1003
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 3: with you. I mean, I think the fact that he

1004
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 3: went up there on the podium said you know, I'm

1005
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: an edge rusher was scripted. Basically, it's you know, to

1006
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 3: say that because of the edge is more, is more valuable,

1007
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: It's going to make more money to bigger contract. But listen,

1008
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: I've said this all along. I think he's a three

1009
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 3: down linebacker who's best in space, in coverage, pursuing the run,

1010
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: that can also rush the past here when necessary.

1011
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right.

1012
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: And then the guy that stole the show, Sonny Styles Tony,

1013
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: and you know, we've talked about what a good player

1014
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: he is for weeks and rarely and again we.

1015
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: Thought he was going to test all. We all know

1016
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: he was a good athlete.

1017
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: But the best parts of Sunny Styles games are his

1018
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 2: mental right and his his smarts and is being in

1019
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 2: the right place and reading the offense. So the fact

1020
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: that he puts this athletic testing on top of everything

1021
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 2: that made him a great football player. I got more

1022
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: than one person rating to me about how good he

1023
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: was in interviews over the course of the week.

1024
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't.

1025
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: See how this guy gets out of the top five

1026
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: or top seven in this draft. I don't care that

1027
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: he's an off ball linebacker. I mean he's Fred Warner.

1028
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 2: Who doesn't want Fred Warner. I mean, he's that good

1029
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 2: for everyone.

1030
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: It would speed because one or didn't test like Sonny Style.

1031
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 3: And like you said, I mean, it's also the lineage,

1032
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: the bloodlines, you know, as far as being coming up

1033
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: in a football family and the testing. We saw his

1034
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: brother a day later, you know, run faster than anybody

1035
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: else on the field. But I would agree with you.

1036
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's gonna boast well for him

1037
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: going in the top seven, potentially number five. That was

1038
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 3: the talk at the combine. Listen if this was thirty

1039
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: years ago, thirty five years ago, with the value that

1040
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 3: people put on linebackers, Bernando Mendoza may not be the

1041
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: first pick of the draft. The first two picks of

1042
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: the draft will probably be r Bell Reese and Sonny

1043
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: Styles because that's how valued the position was all that

1044
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: long ago. Or not that well, it was long ago,

1045
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: I guess thirty five years now.

1046
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Look, I mean he's there's no hole

1047
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: in the game, Tony.

1048
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: Like you could try to like, what's the question about

1049
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: Sonny styles, he's such a safe player, Like I can't

1050
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 2: when I watch the tape and I see the workout

1051
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: and I hear about him in the mental and him

1052
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: as a person, there's nothing that gives me pause, like, well,

1053
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: this might not work out because of this.

1054
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: I can't find that factor.

1055
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 3: I think the question is he doesn't have great sack numbers,

1056
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: and everybody wants to see those linebackers. Go back to R. L.

1057
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 3: Reeves where everybody wants that linebacker, those linebackers with great

1058
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: sack numbers, and he doesn't have them as far as

1059
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 3: the other linebackers. I thought kayleb Iliams alarms or was terrific.

1060
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: Ran fast for seven forty inch vertical jump, ten and

1061
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: a half inch broad twenty yard shuttle four for one.

1062
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: That's okay, But in position drills he translated that speed

1063
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 3: in the position drills sidelines of silent showed quick feet

1064
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 3: during those bag drills, able to get depth on his

1065
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 3: past drops. I thought elams Or did a terrific job

1066
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: during position drills. Overall as well, I should.

1067
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: Say, yeah, I'm with you. Kyle Lewis tested really well.

1068
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: We expected him to a two hundred and twenty pounds.

1069
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: How he gets used it remains to be seen if

1070
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: you can find a role for him. The guy's a

1071
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 2: good football player. Golde at A Cincinnati I thought did

1072
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 2: pretty well. Tony two hundred and thirty nine pounds, bigger

1073
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: guy four six, which is fine, thirty nine in ten

1074
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: and a half broad. I thought he did pretty good.

1075
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: Who else do I have here that I thought, uh,

1076
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: looked pretty good.

1077
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 3: Oh.

1078
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: I thought Jacob Rodriguez tested really well given expectations, and

1079
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: I thought he moved pretty well in the field drills too.

1080
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: So could he maybe push himself into the end of

1081
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: the second round here given how good the college tape was.

1082
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: Now the workout numbers, and I think he's gonna you know,

1083
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: I think his interviews are going to go really well too,

1084
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 2: given his personality and his intelligence. So to me, Jacob

1085
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: Rodriguez had a really really nice week.

1086
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: Six' nine three con drill under seven for lineback under seven,

1087
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: seconds two hundred and thirty one pounds or a. LINEBACKER

1088
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: i still think he needs work on his man cover

1089
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: skills as we saw at The Seper, bowl but you

1090
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: know he has the athleticism to do. That disappointing THAT.

1091
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: Cj allen didn't work. OUT i Thought Jimmy rohlder Of,

1092
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 3: michigan WHO i kind of thought was it was a

1093
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 3: suspect decision for him to enter the. DRAFT i thought

1094
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: he looked. Good uh in position. Drills Justin jefferson Of,

1095
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: alabama who kind of gets lost in the shuffle for

1096
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 3: four or five to seven in the forty thirty eight

1097
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 3: and a half inch vertical, jump he also. DID i

1098
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 3: thought very. Well during the position, drill your Man Anthony

1099
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: hill did. Well, yeah oh, Yeah hang on a, Second

1100
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: i'm going back up. There hill a little bit small

1101
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: or a little bit, short iced to, say sixty eight

1102
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 3: pounds or five to, one thirty seven inch vertical, jump

1103
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: twenty one, inch twenty one reps on the bench with

1104
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 3: arms that came in at thirty thirty two and a half.

1105
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 3: Inches so it was glad to see.

1106
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: That, YEAH i thought he did really.

1107
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: Well all, right let's jump over the corner back AND

1108
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: i should bet you mentioned the three cone On.

1109
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: Rodriguez what we should have.

1110
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: Mentioned Jeremy bernard had a six seven to one three

1111
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: cone a wide, receiver which by the way is a,

1112
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: ridiculous ridiculous number for a three cones drill, Time so

1113
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: we didn't mention that wide. RECEIVER i wanted to get

1114
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 2: that in. There, Quarterbacks, TONY i thought the group looked pretty.

1115
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: Good to be honest with, YOU i was impressed by the.

1116
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: GROUP i thought they did well a lot of. THEM

1117
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: a lot of guys did not, run which is. Fine

1118
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: But Chris, johnson my guy WHO i love at the

1119
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: top in the second, round.

1120
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: Maybe even bottom up of the first.

1121
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: Round now he had good tape and people worried about his.

1122
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: Speed we talked about it heading into the, combine how

1123
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: his forty Times tony was going to be. Important four, four,

1124
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: three ten six, broad thirty eight, vert came in at

1125
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety three, pounds even did seventeen bench

1126
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: press reps to lead cornerbacks in that. Area so, really,

1127
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: really really nice day For Chris johnson out Of San Diego.

1128
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 3: STATE i would not grade him as a late first round.

1129
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 3: Pick but as we've seen time and time, again there

1130
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: are surprises in the bottom ten picks a round, one

1131
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: and a lot of those surprises have to do at

1132
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: the cornerback. Position Malik muhammad and the kid From latrell

1133
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: McCutcheon From Hugh, Houston Lak mohammad And texas the trum

1134
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: McCutchen Of, HOUSTON i thought did very. Well they. Did

1135
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: they beat expectations. Significantly Malik, muhammad there was talk at

1136
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 3: The Senior. Bowl you were, there he's a slow, guy

1137
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: may not get into four to six, runs a four

1138
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: to four. Two the traue, McCutcheon who the film shows

1139
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: he's got terrific ball, skills was expected to be a

1140
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: four or five to five forty. Guy runs in the

1141
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 3: low four fours at the combine AND i thought that

1142
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 3: was an outstanding time for. HIM a couple of the other.

1143
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 2: Guys To Caryo Davis man six four and a four

1144
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: to four to.

1145
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 1: One that's darn.

1146
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 3: GOOD i Thought Colton hood did exceptionally well during position

1147
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: drills four four four which is a good. TIME i

1148
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 3: mean people talk about. It four four fourths fast, enough

1149
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: forty and a half inch vertical, jump ten ten eleven

1150
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: broad ten to five broad. Jump during position, drills he

1151
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 3: was very. Smooth WHAT i want to see from these

1152
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 3: guys is are they able to? Pedal are they able

1153
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,959
Speaker 3: to pedal in reverse with, speed flip their hips without

1154
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 3: losing balance and keep their. Momentum Colton hood absolutely answered those.

1155
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 3: Questions after what was you, know a sort of a

1156
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 3: tough Senior bowl where he was getting beat early?

1157
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: On, YEAH i, Agree. TONY i Thought conhold did a nice.

1158
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: Job came in a four to four to, four AND i,

1159
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: thought you, know after a vidocre Senior bowl came, out

1160
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 2: had had had a nice little. Combat i'm with you

1161
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: on that D'Angelo. Ponds you, know very, small the measurements

1162
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: match what we thought they were going to, match but

1163
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: jump forty three and a half. INCHES i Thought Avion

1164
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: terrell in the field work was very smooth flipping his

1165
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: hips and stuff like, that even though he did in.

1166
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: Time but OVERALL i thought the corners did a nice.

1167
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 3: Job one guy who really stood out to, ME i

1168
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 3: didn't write about him to Carry O davis Of washington

1169
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: four to four to, one forty thirty seven inch vertical

1170
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: jump six,' four one hundred and ninety. Four, Pounds Now.

1171
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 3: Carrio davis when he Was, at arizona people were talking

1172
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 3: about him being a potential first, round pick transferred followers

1173
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: coach Coach, to washington game kind of, leveled off was injured,

1174
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: last year didn't play a. Full season flashy is rather.

1175
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 3: Than CONSISTENCY so i still think he's going to Be

1176
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: a day. Three pick but with those numbers and that

1177
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 3: prior tape going back to early in his college Career,

1178
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 3: at arizona definitely cemented himself As a day.

1179
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: THREE selection, i agree, All, right tody let's wrap things

1180
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 2: up and go to the. Safety Position bud clark had a.

1181
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 2: Good run, you know he's got a lot of, ball

1182
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: skills has athleticism, timed out and both, of Us Like,

1183
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: dylan thieneman like we talked about him even before the.

1184
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: SEASON started i Had a day two great. ON him

1185
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 2: i was even blown away by a four to three

1186
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: five out. OF him i did not see that. Number

1187
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: coming forty one inch.

1188
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 3: Vertical jump i'm disappointed he didn't do the three cone

1189
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 3: or the twenty. YARD shuttle i want to see what

1190
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 3: his lateral. Speed is i'll tell you who had a

1191
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 3: good combine workout at Someone that i've been. Down on

1192
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 3: and we talked about him on and off, this Podcast

1193
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 3: and Manuel McNeil warren war five to two in the

1194
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: forty thirty five inch. VERTICAL jump i thought he was

1195
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: very good During position joe six three and a half

1196
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 3: two hundred. One pounds credit to him for making me.

1197
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 3: Look foolish but he had a. Terrific workout Trade on Stoops.

1198
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 3: Of arizona another guy who did very well six one and,

1199
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 3: ninety pounds four three three and the forty thirty eight

1200
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: in vertical jump one five flat ten, yard split which

1201
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: is an exceptional Exceptional Mark bishop fitzgerald Of usc, Looking

1202
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: Drills Robert, spears jennings he had a terrific workout four

1203
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 3: three two in the forty thirty five inch. Vertical jump

1204
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 3: looked really good IN the uh in. POSITION drills i

1205
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 3: thought he definitely. Helped himself comes out OF, the uh

1206
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 3: comes out of the combine with. Higher Grades jalen husky

1207
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: was did did the position drills didn't? WORK out i

1208
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 3: actually Spoke With jalen husky during. Media day he was a.

1209
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 3: TERRIFIC interview i, ASKED him, i said, you know do

1210
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: you have a chip on? Your shoulder because everyone talks

1211
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 3: about the top, defensive backs of the, Top safeties you're

1212
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 3: never in, the conversation, HE says i always play with

1213
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 3: a chip on. My shoulder it was a it was a.

1214
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 3: TERRIFIC answer I.

1215
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: Thought kilgore had a good day. AS well I Thought

1216
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: chandler rivers at, a duke moved. Really well showed he's a.

1217
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 2: Good athlete not the, biggest GUY but i thought he.

1218
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: Moved well i'm. WITH you i think the, Defensive backs tony,

1219
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: in general certainly to. Help themselves, all right let's wrap things, Up,

1220
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: here tony before, we go just give me your, you

1221
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: know ten thousand of view of, the combine what you

1222
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 2: thought of, the groups what you thought of how, would

1223
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 2: win anything else you heard out there that is really

1224
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: going to impact our draft process.

1225
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: Moving, FORWARD yeah i don't.

1226
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 3: Think except for, SUNNY styles i don't think there's gonna

1227
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 3: be much movement at the top of the draft with

1228
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: any of. THESE guys i think they're as we see in.

1229
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 3: The past there could be some surprises late in. First

1230
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: round in the first round because of some of, these

1231
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: workouts especially at the defensive, back position the. Cornerback position as,

1232
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: YOU mentioned i think people are reading too much into

1233
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 3: the forty Time Of. Carnell tait, you know he's a.

1234
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 3: TERRIFIC receiver i never expected him to be a. Great

1235
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 3: athlete and the good NEWS is i guess that they

1236
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 3: ANNOUNCED or i heard somebody From The indianapolis Chamber of

1237
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 3: commerce announced that they have agreed With the league to

1238
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,959
Speaker 3: Keep The combine indianapolis for twenty, twenty seven twenty. Twenty

1239
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 3: eight hopefully they'll keep it there for the next thirty

1240
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 3: years as long as they Have, the combine because it's

1241
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 3: the perfect city to have an event. Like that you

1242
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 3: don't have to. Go outside everything is inside in case

1243
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: the bad. Weather comes it's easy flight for people From the,

1244
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: east coast people From the, west coast people From The.

1245
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: Southern states, And again indianapolis did a.

1246
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: Terrific job any other intel about the drafts and how

1247
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: this thing might go that you want, To.

1248
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: Share.

1249
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 3: No not on the, Record, anyway nah, fair enough, All

1250
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 3: right i'm gonna to stop the record and then you

1251
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: can tell me. Your wall, we're recording.

1252
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: All right the next, couple, weeks guys we're gonna do

1253
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: Our post combine top tens on offense.

1254
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: AND defense i think it's a good time.

1255
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: For That as tony finalizes, those lists then maybe we'll

1256
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 2: do a little post. Combine mock We'll have pro days

1257
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: rolling out, as well a lot of news, from that,

1258
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: and Then, boy tony, we are, let's see about fifty

1259
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: or so days away from the start OF The. Nfl

1260
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: draft it is, coming, Fast man we don't have much time.

1261
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: To, WASTE yeah i know the pro, Day schedule it

1262
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: actually starts a. LITTLE later i think the first pro

1263
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 3: das for combined Players starts, march twelfth so that's going

1264
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: to be that is a major exercise along with The

1265
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 3: combine so it should. BE fun, I mean i think

1266
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: the only definite as of right now that we know

1267
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 3: of Is That bernanda mendoz is going to be the

1268
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 3: first pick of. The draft, after that it's, anybody's guests

1269
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: which could make it either fun, or stressful depending on

1270
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 3: your point of view.

1271
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: Or both maybe you, like stress maybe stress. Is fun?

1272
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: Who, knows, All, right tony good stuff anything coming out

1273
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 2: of essentially sports we should keep an.

1274
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 3: Eye on we'll have An Updated big board by the

1275
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 3: end of. This week we will have a ninety nine

1276
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 3: percent Of the big ten scattering reports, in there so

1277
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: that's gonna be close to two hundred and fifty total

1278
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: scattering reports on the top five. Hundred players as well

1279
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 3: as some adjustments for the rankings based ON what, i

1280
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: saw ON what i heard, this week and eventually we

1281
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 3: will have all the top all the, correct, hypes weights

1282
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 3: and forty times.

1283
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: In there, all right.

1284
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: Can't wait to, See, you tony and again next couple

1285
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: weeks we'll do our top tens on offense and defense

1286
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: for each position group and as we continue to move

1287
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,760
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1288
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,919
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1289
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,280
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1290
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,120
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Speaker 2: Rerity hell. Podcast studio keep getting Better For. Tony Pauline I'm.

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Speaker 2: John schmelk enjoy. Your week we'll see you. Next, week

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Speaker 2: everybody