Speaker 1: Wow, everybody, It's Tuesday, January twenty eighth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where one of
Speaker 1: us is drinking a large glass of haterade. It's me
Speaker 1: and your man, MG Marcus Grand joined by Michael Florio
Speaker 1: and Lakwan Jones.
Speaker 2: Floria.
Speaker 1: We'll get to your thoughts on the weekend in a
Speaker 1: little bit. I know you're still uh, sort of looking
Speaker 1: your wounds. Understandably, you're a little bit radio silence in
Speaker 1: the text chat the last couple of days, which I
Speaker 1: totally understand, Like I totally get it. I know you
Speaker 1: were in New York for a wedding and then flying
Speaker 1: back and everything. Uh, lak Wan, I will say this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that your team, you know, had
Speaker 1: a tough loss week before. As somebody who was a
Speaker 1: neutral observer, it was an enjoyable week. It was an
Speaker 1: entertaining weekend, right, Like it was sort of nice to
Speaker 1: just sit back and watch it because I couldn't met
Speaker 1: and watching really either of those games. If if I
Speaker 1: had a rooting interest, that would have been excruciating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the sitting part was fun. Like you know, when
Speaker 3: the Rams are playing, we all know that I'm standing
Speaker 3: two inches from the TV screaming at it, like are
Speaker 3: you that?
Speaker 2: Are you that person?
Speaker 3: Oh? I am that person? Yeah, one hundred percent, that
Speaker 3: is me. Playoff games on that way as well. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's so good to sit back, relax, you know,
Speaker 3: roof for my boy Floria. You know, I wanted the
Speaker 3: Bills to win also, but I don't know if I
Speaker 3: believe you. Wait, no, I don't believe yeah, playing that text.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so just for background, you know, we're all we
Speaker 1: are in a text chain and we're communicating before the games,
Speaker 1: and uh Laqwan basically said I should probably find the
Speaker 1: actual text, but essentially you implied that you wanted the
Speaker 1: Bills to go to the super Bowl and lose. Uh
Speaker 1: is what it was, which is like, look, man, if
Speaker 1: you have those intrusive thoughts, that's fine.
Speaker 2: But maybe don't let them out next to a Bills fan.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Right before the game too, literally right before checkoff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was bad time by me.
Speaker 2: I promise you.
Speaker 3: It wasn't meant for me what it was. And I
Speaker 3: read it later and I'm like, oh, yeah, I didn't
Speaker 3: mean that, brother. I get it because I do that
Speaker 3: a lot too.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll send a text and I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 4: they're gonna take that differently than how I I meant
Speaker 4: to say it.
Speaker 3: I just left it at that. I was like, no,
Speaker 3: he's probably gonna be so focused and pissed off.
Speaker 1: All right, So here was the Here was the actual text.
Speaker 1: It says, let's go Bills. Damn it would hate to
Speaker 1: see this historic run by Saquon got to waste just
Speaker 1: to be cheated in the Super Bowl. And I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute. So basically you want the Chiefs to
Speaker 1: lose and then the Eagles to beat the Bills. Like
Speaker 1: all right, I mean that's fine if that's how you feel,
Speaker 1: but maybe just don't say that with.
Speaker 2: Florio like being able to read it.
Speaker 3: That's all players mess up. Jersey Boys stick together.
Speaker 2: I get it. Then.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we will get into that game. Obviously, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about the NFC Championship game. Plus we'll continue our exit
Speaker 1: interviews Pick seven team through twenty. We are flying right
Speaker 1: along as we get ready to start pivoting our focus
Speaker 1: to the draft. What is it I think the phrase
Speaker 1: is using is recalibrate your eyes. I saw that in
Speaker 1: a couple of places on social media, recalibrate your eyes,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, some of us wear glasses.
Speaker 2: Let's not talk about that now.
Speaker 1: Let's start with some headlines because we had We've had
Speaker 1: some coaching moves in the last few days since we
Speaker 1: last spoke to you all. The Jaguars we're trying to
Speaker 1: hire Liam Cohen. Liam Cohen said, I'm not going there,
Speaker 1: trip Balki's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be there.
Speaker 1: So the Jaguars are like, hey, Balki hit the bricks.
Speaker 1: Hey Liam Cohen, come on in. So the former offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is now the new
Speaker 1: head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Lakwan you said you
Speaker 1: had you saw the rundown, and you're like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: getting the hater stuff out of the way early. I
Speaker 1: know how you feel about Trevor Lawrence. I'm curious than
Speaker 1: what this Liam Cohen, who was a former Rams assistant.
Speaker 3: He's part of the tree.
Speaker 2: What this means in your mind for trev and the
Speaker 2: rest of the Jags.
Speaker 3: The bars high bars high man coming from the McVeigh tree,
Speaker 3: I mean, you have to find success, and that's kind
Speaker 3: of been the trend set for some other guys that
Speaker 3: we won't mention. But more so, if he cannot fix
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, can we just ultimately agree that Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 3: is not that guy. If he can't go there and
Speaker 3: fix that with the weapons he has around him, I
Speaker 3: don't think the problem is going to be any coach
Speaker 3: that they bring in there. It's the guy they just
Speaker 3: paid that hefty contract. So let me put on my
Speaker 3: buck nasty, the nastiest hater of two thousand. I just
Speaker 3: feel like, if Trevor Lawrence can't go out there and
Speaker 3: perform at a higher level, this will literally be my
Speaker 3: last time in any league trying to invest to him.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know, Floria.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like we've all gotten past the
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is that guy now. I think most of
Speaker 1: us are center on Trevor Lawrence is a jag. He's
Speaker 1: just a guy at this point.
Speaker 3: Wow, he literally is a jag. But the fantasy street
Speaker 3: say otherwise, Fellas, please bro I've been inside, man, I
Speaker 3: ain't been outside. I have no idea marks outside.
Speaker 2: I ain't been outside. I had no idea that people
Speaker 2: were still on it like that.
Speaker 4: No, I for one him not like there's a zero
Speaker 4: percent chance. I think he gets drafted as a QB
Speaker 4: one next year, Like I top fifteen is even in question,
Speaker 4: I'd argue, I mean, quarterback does thin out quicker than
Speaker 4: in the past. But I agree with Leakwalam, like this
Speaker 4: is his last chance, I think, not not only for
Speaker 4: fantasy purposes, for NFL purposes, Like I know his contract
Speaker 4: is going to get him a couple more years as
Speaker 4: the starter there, but like if he doesn't produce with
Speaker 4: Liam Cohen and two years from now or three years
Speaker 4: from now, whatever it takes, like they let go of
Speaker 4: Liam Collen, they're going in another direction. That's probably also
Speaker 4: the end of the Trevor Lawrence tenure in Jacksonville, i'd imagine.
Speaker 4: So this is kind of his last chance, but take
Speaker 4: it like to put it on the other offense. This
Speaker 4: is going to now be the third different offensive coordinator
Speaker 4: for Baker Mayfield in the Bucks in three years, so
Speaker 4: that offense keeps getting people hired.
Speaker 3: Hopefully Dave can Allis had success going to Carolina. Maybe
Speaker 3: maybe Liam, But did you guys see Liam Cohen's duval
Speaker 3: It was the worst thing, awkward and embarrassing, cringe.
Speaker 2: It's just not a great start, not a great start.
Speaker 3: Low the frequency is not happy right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm sort of skeptical on this move just because, look,
Speaker 1: maybe it works out right and Liam Cohen is ready
Speaker 1: to step in and be the head coach of the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars or any team really, right, I just am
Speaker 1: a little bit skeptical of a guy who has been
Speaker 1: an OC for two years, one of which he wasn't
Speaker 1: actually calling the plays. I mean, he was the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator for the Rams, but we know Sean McVay is
Speaker 1: the one really pulling the strings on that whole thing, right,
Speaker 1: So granted, look, it was amazing to watch what Baker
Speaker 1: has done the last couple years, but as you pointed
Speaker 1: out Florio, He's gone through multiple offensive coordinators in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, So maybe it's hard to attribute
Speaker 1: it to one guy when Mayfield and the Bucks are
Speaker 1: doing it with other guys calling the shots there. It
Speaker 1: just this feels like it feels like the Jaguar is
Speaker 1: sort of jaguarring right, like they waited forever to move
Speaker 1: on from their GM just so they could get a
Speaker 1: hire in there. They get the guy who is the
Speaker 1: hottest name left on the market and they make the
Speaker 1: move on it.
Speaker 2: I just and I'm not rooting against.
Speaker 1: I don't have any skin in the game, but it
Speaker 1: just feels like this is It's like you say, you
Speaker 1: did your paper the night before, you know, and now
Speaker 1: you're turning it in and hoping that everything works out.
Speaker 2: And I just I'm skeptical.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's all about Trevor Lawrence in my opinion,
Speaker 4: like because I don't think this was a spot where
Speaker 4: like you want to bring in like like saying Mike
Speaker 4: Raybrowll or a Bill Belichick, a Pete Carroll something like that,
Speaker 4: where those guys are more like motivators defensive minded coaches.
Speaker 4: I think you you wanted the best possible offensive scheme
Speaker 4: you could get, because not only do we all think
Speaker 4: Lawrence was generational and they took him first overall, they
Speaker 4: also paid him a bunch of money, which is why
Speaker 4: I thought this landing spot was not one of the
Speaker 4: better ones like other people thought. But if Liam Cohen
Speaker 4: can get Trevor Lawrence to play anywhere close to the
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence we thought he would be, then this is
Speaker 4: all worth it. And if not, you're hitting the hard resets.
Speaker 2: So I did.
Speaker 4: Giving you one more last ditch effort to get the
Speaker 4: most out of Lawrence.
Speaker 2: Is worth it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know how many hard resets.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's infinite, right. The Jaguars can
Speaker 1: do as many hard resets as Shod Khan is willing
Speaker 1: to authorize.
Speaker 2: Just man, I don't know.
Speaker 3: They don't have it out until twenty twenty nine on
Speaker 3: his deal.
Speaker 2: Great, so they're locked in. I mean they're locked in
Speaker 2: with the Trevor Lawrence for a while.
Speaker 1: Sofully dude like that. Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna. I
Speaker 1: have to remember this so I can start using it
Speaker 1: on Fantasy Live next year.
Speaker 3: We need it as a drop duo.
Speaker 2: Speaking of it, you mentioned Pete Carroll.
Speaker 1: Florio and the Raiders have hired Pete Carroll to be
Speaker 1: their next head coach. He will be the league's oldest
Speaker 1: head coach in league history when he turned seventy four
Speaker 1: in September. Look, Pete is a guy with boundless energy.
Speaker 1: I mean he will work over a piece of gum
Speaker 1: like nobody's business, you know, and like he's good to
Speaker 1: line up every now and do a drill. But Florio,
Speaker 1: he's seventy four. He's been out of coaching for a
Speaker 1: couple of years now our year, I guess now, and
Speaker 1: he's going to roster That is really kind of a mess.
Speaker 1: Their quarterback, the quarterback of the future, is not there.
Speaker 1: They've got running back issues. They've got you know, they
Speaker 1: got brock Bowers. We'll see if they have Max Crosby.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, we're still waiting to see what
Speaker 1: the rest of the coaching staff is gonna look like.
Speaker 2: They're in Las Vegas. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: And I love Pete Carroll, right, he did great things
Speaker 1: at my alma mater for a number of years. I
Speaker 1: can't get excited about Pete Carroll in Las Vegas, can you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, Because as great as he was in Seattle, won
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, like you said, did wonders with USC
Speaker 3: Look at his last three years in Seattle once they
Speaker 3: lost Russell Wilson, nine to eight was their best record
Speaker 3: that they went in any of those three seasons. And
Speaker 3: then with Geno Smith, they got they won more games
Speaker 3: this year, like after changing the head coach.
Speaker 4: So uh, Carol, One thing is for sure, the Raiders
Speaker 4: will be motivated under him.
Speaker 3: They are going to play hard. He gets the most.
Speaker 4: He's kind of like Jim Harbow in that sense, where
Speaker 4: like the players absolutely just love playing for him. But yeah,
Speaker 4: like I I have been because one, this roster is
Speaker 4: far from complete. It sounds like Max Crosby wants out,
Speaker 4: so like you're probably blowing things up in year one
Speaker 4: And I don't want to be mean, does a seventy
Speaker 4: three year old have that much time to rebuild? Like
Speaker 4: if this first year is a complete, like tear down,
Speaker 4: how long is he gonna get?
Speaker 3: This feels like a hype move.
Speaker 4: This also feels like a we knew we weren't gonna
Speaker 4: get Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen or these other guys,
Speaker 4: so let's make a splash for the next two years
Speaker 4: and maybe that's it. And look, I could easily be wrong,
Speaker 4: but I saw this and I was like, really that,
Speaker 4: Like this came out.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, guys. I don't think Carol
Speaker 3: was done in the NFL, Like this came out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: I mean I did, so.
Speaker 1: I figured he was just gonna ride off into the sunset,
Speaker 1: enjoy his post football life, I don't know, sitting by
Speaker 1: the ocean or something like that. Like that seems pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: To me, But I guess he still has the fire,
Speaker 1: I mean the quantity. The only thing I can really
Speaker 1: think about this is that this is a potentially coach
Speaker 1: in waiting situation, right that they hire Pete Carroll, he
Speaker 1: brings in a younger assistant, and then that's that's the
Speaker 1: guy that's that's coming up next, right, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's the only thing I can really think about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of build within and you know, see if
Speaker 3: they can go in house, or if they bring in
Speaker 3: another guy for an offensive coordinator, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3: But I'm more excited for the antics that are already
Speaker 3: happening and unfolding. During the press conference, you get Raiders
Speaker 3: by Marshawn Lynch, So knowing that he will be in
Speaker 3: the building, I think it will be a little bit
Speaker 3: more you know, entertaining to see what's going on with
Speaker 3: the Raiders. But I mean, you guys like he'll be
Speaker 3: seventy four years old. But I honestly think he's a
Speaker 3: leader of men regardless of his age. I mean, we've
Speaker 3: seen him connect with the youngest. I mean, he connected
Speaker 3: with DK Metcalf off the top of the draft. They
Speaker 3: took a shirt off with him, like if somebody did
Speaker 3: that with me, Like I'm just like, oh, this guy's
Speaker 3: a vibe, Like I definitely only think, you know, they'll
Speaker 3: be motivated for him, but this is definitely like, hey,
Speaker 3: can you hold us over until we find the coach
Speaker 3: of the future. Can you hold us over when we
Speaker 3: find the quarterback for the future, because the quarterback it's
Speaker 3: going to be the most important thing for him in
Speaker 3: year one. I understand that, you know, this draft, like
Speaker 3: some people have their thoughts on of it, of some
Speaker 3: of the prospects not the best class kind of like
Speaker 3: a class of what they already have in house. But
Speaker 3: I definitely feel as though you give him some time
Speaker 3: or whatever how much time that he has there, it's like,
Speaker 3: all right, maybe he could build someone with these guys
Speaker 3: motivated playing hard for him.
Speaker 2: At least maybe, so, Like I get it.
Speaker 1: This is Las Vegas, right, this this feels like your
Speaker 1: typical Vegas hope story. Like I'm gonna roll into this
Speaker 1: casino with twenty dollars and hope I hit a jackpot
Speaker 1: and can go big. That's what it is all on
Speaker 1: red right, Like Pete Carroll is like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: all it means, Like it's silver and black. Right, let's
Speaker 1: just put it all on black. Right, We're just gonna
Speaker 1: Caerrol is the guy. We're gonna throw twenty dollars down
Speaker 1: on black. We hope, hope that it hits and we
Speaker 1: just start building from there, because that's all I can
Speaker 1: really think of, uh with this group, because there's so
Speaker 1: much any pieces that they need mentioned, the quarterback, you know,
Speaker 1: the head coach of the future, whoever it's going to be,
Speaker 1: whether or not they can keep their best defensive player
Speaker 1: in town.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, so many things.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they got brock Bowers. You know, Jacoby
Speaker 1: Myers had a good season. I don't think anybody is
Speaker 1: expecting to build around Jacoby Myers's just a lot of
Speaker 1: work to do, a lot of work to do.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm the oldest coach in the NFL history.
Speaker 3: I'd be the youngest president in the last three terms.
Speaker 1: But by the way, shout out to the AFC West
Speaker 1: because while everybody else is trying to get younger with
Speaker 1: their coaches, the coaches in the AFC West now are
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh, and Andy Reid legendary.
Speaker 2: They're like, to hell with it. We're gonna be the
Speaker 2: AARP Division. Let's just go. Let's go. So shout out
Speaker 2: to the the AARP West.
Speaker 1: Last bit of coaching news, the Dallas Cowboys have made
Speaker 1: a higher man. You want to talk about letdowns over letdowns, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, we had the potential for the Dion Sanders
Speaker 1: coach Prime Circus to hit Dallas, and.
Speaker 2: They hire Broughton saw Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: I loved by the way, the the quote from I
Speaker 1: guess you might find the exact quote from Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: which one I know they have actually been multiple, but
Speaker 1: the one that, uh, that really made me laugh because
Speaker 1: it just seemed.
Speaker 2: Like the the least bit of an endorsement.
Speaker 1: It was something to the effect of he's been a
Speaker 1: career assistant, but he's no longer just Brian. He's now
Speaker 1: known as a head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, hey man, so like you, we're gonna move
Speaker 1: you off fries and now you get to be the
Speaker 1: night manager at a fast food joint.
Speaker 2: Like that's what it felt like my hiring Brian Shott. Wow. Right, Like,
Speaker 2: hey man, you did a great job of fries. You've
Speaker 2: been on fries for a long time.
Speaker 3: Hey, that's a big promotion. Man, I've worked for that's
Speaker 3: a big promotion.
Speaker 2: So now now we're gonna let you lock up at night.
Speaker 1: Like, hey, dude, congratulations, here are the cheese.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what this felt like.
Speaker 1: Please please look on make me excited about Brian Schottenheimer
Speaker 1: and Dallas.
Speaker 3: I absolutely cannot do that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I look, I know Cowboys fans, so
Speaker 3: I'm seeing first hand of like the reaction. It's not good.
Speaker 3: It's almost depressing, Like it's so sad to have my friend,
Speaker 3: my best friend man Roman White, man, longtime Dallas fan.
Speaker 3: And it's like, dude, man, I understand your pain. You
Speaker 3: kind of don't want to watch football anymore. And that's
Speaker 3: kind of where he's at, Like he's just like we suck,
Speaker 3: like it is what it is. Like he doesn't take
Speaker 3: the franchise serious.
Speaker 2: Wat should I?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, I have no words for you.
Speaker 3: I can't get you excited about this season.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Like I try to give him, you know, a little
Speaker 3: prospects Ashton gent he might be a cowboy, you know,
Speaker 3: and he's like, no, it doesn't do it for me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love Ashton john T, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if I'm watching this teammate moves like this, I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's an enough to me on a hook.
Speaker 3: It's not moving for them. It's bad. My uncle won't
Speaker 3: text me back. You know, that's that's a shame. He
Speaker 3: was also a cowboy fan.
Speaker 2: He's not happy.
Speaker 3: No, it's not good out there, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, has Skipped Bayless thrown the same jersey in
Speaker 1: the trash yet again? Has he a is he resorted
Speaker 1: to that you pull it out?
Speaker 3: Pull it out?
Speaker 2: He's he gonna do the same.
Speaker 1: We're gonna walk into the kitchen, we're gonna throw it
Speaker 1: in the trash, and we're gonna make a mean face.
Speaker 3: You're gonna hear his wife say, okay, we're recording. At
Speaker 3: the start of the video, right, there was one he
Speaker 3: fullsted talk that that happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because.
Speaker 3: He is Pete Carroll's age, he doesn't know how to
Speaker 3: work on iPhone.
Speaker 2: And then we'll be back at this again.
Speaker 1: And then you midway through the season, when you know
Speaker 1: Dak has a four interception game, like, he'll go back
Speaker 1: and he'll throw the same jersey back in the trash
Speaker 1: all over again.
Speaker 4: So wow, I'm looking at his career as an o
Speaker 4: C and one time they finished in the top ten
Speaker 4: in passing yards?
Speaker 3: Is that the Rams at the end? It was twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three with the Cowboys. Oh wow, that's it.
Speaker 1: And that was that was the year where Dak had
Speaker 1: to throw the ball like fifteen hundred times. I mean
Speaker 1: like he was throwing the ball a lot, a lot
Speaker 1: that year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know why I said the Rams. That
Speaker 3: was Saint Louis depressing days. Yeah, you're right, even.
Speaker 4: In the like the Russian categories though like a couple
Speaker 4: of times he's been top ten, but it's usually middle
Speaker 4: of the like.
Speaker 3: To me, this just says Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4: Wants to a coach that he can have the year
Speaker 4: of and be a heavy influence on.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean Brian Schottenheimer was.
Speaker 1: I think the expectations is he's something of a figurehead
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be Jerry kind of pulling the strings
Speaker 1: on this whole thing for sure. All Right, we will
Speaker 1: have more as these stories develop and we get more
Speaker 1: idea what the coaching staffs are going to be.
Speaker 3: Just the Cowboys, right, the stories developed.
Speaker 2: That's the story. That's the story.
Speaker 1: That's developing, I guess. Speaking of the Cowboys, I think
Speaker 1: it's just two championship weekend and the NFC Championship game, which,
Speaker 1: as we mentioned last week was sort of a boy reunion.
Speaker 1: DA had quit against Kellen Moore, a couple of past
Speaker 1: Cowboys coordinators.
Speaker 2: It looked bad early, you know.
Speaker 1: The Commanders go on a long drive to settle for
Speaker 1: a field goal, and Saquon rips off a touchdown run,
Speaker 1: you know, and then a turnover and the Cowboy or
Speaker 1: the Eagles get a touchdown, and it's just like, even
Speaker 1: though the Commanders sort of clawed back in, it never
Speaker 1: felt like they were really in danger of threatening. And
Speaker 1: in the end, the Eagles run off to a fifty
Speaker 1: five twenty three win. Sequon has a huge day, Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts has a huge day. The Eagles are going back
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl second time in three years. But
Speaker 1: as I like to do for these sorts of things,
Speaker 1: I always want to sort of talk about and eulogize
Speaker 1: the team that lost kind of put a bow on
Speaker 1: their season. So I'm gonna I'm gonna leave the AFC
Speaker 1: game and I'm just gonna let Florio go when we
Speaker 1: get to that point. So, Kwan, I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 1: about this one. Look at looking toward next year. We
Speaker 1: obviously love Jayden Daniels, expecting he's gonna a top five
Speaker 1: quarterback drafted in most leagues. Yeah, we love Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 1: He was great again this year, career year for him.
Speaker 1: But who else in this offense do we really get
Speaker 1: excited about for next year?
Speaker 3: Next year? I think this draft they have to address
Speaker 3: the wide receiver to a consistent wide receiver too. You
Speaker 3: love Deanny Brown his emergence end of the season big time,
Speaker 3: you know, in the playoffs, but more so, like I
Speaker 3: am excited for the Commander's offense as a hole for fantasy,
Speaker 3: just being that Jayden dans is the quarterback, Like that's
Speaker 3: one of the things that you want to mark off
Speaker 3: a hit in that draft, or like do they have
Speaker 3: a good quarterback? Do they have an awesome offense?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Check check check. So once they bring in a guy
Speaker 3: like a wide receiver two that I think that could
Speaker 3: be you know the counterpart of Terry McLaurin, because obviously
Speaker 3: you're drafting scary Terry. It's like you're just overall excited
Speaker 3: for this offense developing for what it is, because this
Speaker 3: is his rookie year, getting to the NFC championship, and
Speaker 3: he's been playing like he's a veteran, Like it's insane.
Speaker 3: So it's a you know, as a commander's rand, you
Speaker 3: would be happy and excited for next season, but for
Speaker 3: more so fantasy, I'm gonna be taking my picks as
Speaker 3: I can because I can see these guys being a
Speaker 3: discount because again, everybody's paying sophomore slump. Nah, I don't
Speaker 3: think that's happening to with JD.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't know if I worried Florie
Speaker 1: so much about the sophomore slump with Daniels, but it
Speaker 1: really is, like, okay, so obviously we're drafting Daniels, we're
Speaker 1: drafting McLaurin. Like, how much are we really buying into
Speaker 1: zach Ertz who was their number two pass catcher this year, right,
Speaker 1: I mean he's thirty four. We're gonna be thirty five
Speaker 1: next season, you know. I know people took some late
Speaker 1: dart throws at Ben Sinnett, who had that nice catch
Speaker 1: on the fake punt in the game, but Ryan Robinson
Speaker 1: was okay, I mean above expectations, but just okay, Austin
Speaker 1: Eckler looks like the decline is probably underway right now.
Speaker 1: I just don't see any other real targets besides Daniels
Speaker 1: and McLaurin in this offense that I want for next.
Speaker 2: Year as of now. A lot.
Speaker 4: It's gonna change, I think, because the Commanders have the
Speaker 4: third most cap heading into free agency, so I I
Speaker 4: think if you are them, you're thinking exactly what we're saying. Like,
Speaker 4: Jayden took us to the NFC Championship game and a
Speaker 4: year where we were coming off having the number two
Speaker 4: overall pick, and like I know, early in the year,
Speaker 4: a lot bounced their way. You had the Hail Mary
Speaker 4: against the Bears. You had a number of plays that
Speaker 4: just were like, Okay, this is probably not sustainable. But
Speaker 4: then at the end of the year, I thought Jayden
Speaker 4: took another step forward and his processing, the way he
Speaker 4: was seeing the field was incredible to the point where
Speaker 4: I think he is already a top five not fantasy quarterback,
Speaker 4: because that's a lock. I think he is a top
Speaker 4: five real life quarterback. And that's saying a lot because
Speaker 4: the top four are already a slam dunk. You ask
Speaker 4: anyone they're gonna give you the same four names. So
Speaker 4: I think he's better than everyone. Maybe it's like Hayman
Speaker 4: Hurts or something like that, battling for that fit spot.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think you get him a little bit
Speaker 3: more help on offense and you're good to go. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I felt so bad for him because he had this
Speaker 3: team in this game three he fumbles by other players
Speaker 3: that were lost. That just took any chance he had
Speaker 3: of winning that game away. But I thought he impressed
Speaker 3: me so much as playoffs and they'll be back better
Speaker 3: next year. Although you guys were bigger on him than
Speaker 3: I was, Like what happened to Brian Robinson this year?
Speaker 3: Because it looked like halfway through the year he just
Speaker 3: he lost all of his capability of how to run injuries.
Speaker 3: What was it? His knee, his ankle? I mean that
Speaker 3: he was going through it like he was just bruised up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that had a lot to do with it,
Speaker 1: because he just, you know, he started out great. I
Speaker 1: mean to the point that we were like, oh, I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess Austin Echler is just not going to be
Speaker 1: a thing. But he had knee issues, he had hamstring issues.
Speaker 1: I think that just sort of took its toll over
Speaker 1: the course of the season. That and the fact that
Speaker 1: once Jaden Daniels took off, there was just less reason
Speaker 1: to really lean on him.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think he prepared for a long season.
Speaker 3: Let's just say that.
Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, look, let's be honest.
Speaker 1: I mean I know that, I know that in the
Speaker 1: building they'll talk about it like, hey, this is our goal,
Speaker 1: but I think realistically, like, yeah, no, I need to
Speaker 1: talk At the beginning of the year, was you know,
Speaker 1: the battle for the basement of the NFC East is
Speaker 1: it the Commanders isn't a giant, so you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Eagles were supposed to be there. We thought the
Speaker 1: Cowboys would be better than it turned out to be.
Speaker 4: I've already seen people saying like this was the Commander's
Speaker 4: one chance, and I'm like, no, if you have a
Speaker 4: top quarterback like this, your your window is as open
Speaker 4: as as long as Jaden is playing at this level.
Speaker 3: Ten years you got with JD. And that is a
Speaker 3: finger I'm.
Speaker 2: Not gonna go.
Speaker 1: I'm not going ten. I'm not ready to put ten
Speaker 1: years on it right now. That's that's you know, how
Speaker 1: long ten years is, bro.
Speaker 3: Like, yes, my son is eight now I'm almost We're
Speaker 3: not even ten years into the Lamar Alan Burrow errors. Okay,
Speaker 3: like I'm putting. I'm putting twenty on ten right now
Speaker 3: that I'm hotting, I'm potting. This is what I call
Speaker 3: if he says healthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just looking at the like the top five,
Speaker 1: some of the top movies in twenty fifteen, right, I
Speaker 1: mean San Andreas, right, the Transporter refueled, not even the
Speaker 1: original Transport, like one of the multiple sequels, like the mark.
Speaker 1: Ten years is a long time bro, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4: When when you said ten years ago, like I was
Speaker 4: like twenty ten and I'm like ten years ago, so
Speaker 4: like you know, like my brain doesn't, twenty fifteen is
Speaker 4: ten years Like the Mets were in the World Series
Speaker 4: ten years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is crazy to a long time bro.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Chiefs thirty two Bills twenty nine, Michael left Florio,
Speaker 1: The Flora is yours.
Speaker 4: My thoughts are pretty much the same as what they
Speaker 4: have been at the end of each of the last
Speaker 4: three Chiefs since. Okay, in twenty twenty, the Chiefs whooped
Speaker 4: the Bills the Bills.
Speaker 2: Were there a year early.
Speaker 4: I don't count that one. The three sents, the thirteen
Speaker 4: seconds last year in Buffalo, and then on Sunday, they've
Speaker 4: all come down to the same thing.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, Uh.
Speaker 4: The narrative is going to be that Alan cannot beat Mahomes.
Speaker 4: And look, maybe I'm biased and stuff like that, but
Speaker 4: I watched those three games and I'm like, you're gonna
Speaker 4: tell me that the reason the Bills lost these games
Speaker 4: is because of seventeen. Like I know, look, he did
Speaker 4: not play great in the first half this week. He
Speaker 4: was definitely way too antsy. He had a couple of
Speaker 4: bad throws that got away from him, but then he
Speaker 4: had a couple of amazing plays to throw the touchdown
Speaker 4: to mccollins, the one inside the five to mac collins,
Speaker 4: the deep throat of Khaliel Shakir. And I know people
Speaker 4: are mad about the Toush push and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: I don't think people realize how much success the Bills
Speaker 4: had with the Toush push this year. Like it was
Speaker 4: legitimately unstoppable. It was a free first down every time
Speaker 4: they did it, or a free touchdown every time they
Speaker 4: did it. The Chiefs are just smarter and they are
Speaker 4: just better. They loaded up on the left side because
Speaker 4: something I've said a lot is like Josh Goo's left
Speaker 4: every single time, and the Chiefs were prepared for that.
Speaker 3: But then you had Gregory.
Speaker 4: Russo and I believe it was Torrents on the O
Speaker 4: line came out and they both and well defensive player,
Speaker 4: both were like We've never seen some of the stuff
Speaker 4: the Chiefs have done before. Like that, I think Andy
Speaker 4: Reid and Spags are the greatest coaching duo that I've
Speaker 4: ever seen together because like what the Patriots, it was
Speaker 4: all Belichick and the coordinators kept changing. Spags is a
Speaker 4: genius and is a huge portion of the success. Chris
Speaker 4: Jones is the best defensive playoff performer I have ever seen.
Speaker 4: He had seven QB pressures in the first half alone.
Speaker 4: The Bills had three as a team. He has worth
Speaker 4: more than that entire Bills D line. And this is
Speaker 4: something I've said for a while now. McDermott, I'm not
Speaker 4: even on the I was in the past. I think
Speaker 4: he has improved, and even more than that, I don't
Speaker 4: think there's any better options out there, so I don't
Speaker 4: think they move on. But he has shown us time
Speaker 4: and time again that Andy Reid is going to run
Speaker 4: circles around his defense every single time they meet up
Speaker 4: in the playoffs, and then the supporting cast I think
Speaker 4: shows up even more so. While Mahomes is the best,
Speaker 4: he's on him and he's chasing Brady, everyone else is
Speaker 4: chasing Mahomes.
Speaker 3: I agree with that.
Speaker 4: To me, when you compare these teams, the gap at
Speaker 4: quarterback is so much closer, in my opinion, than it
Speaker 4: is at coach. It is on defense and it is
Speaker 4: on special teams. So, yeah, the Bills got beat. I
Speaker 4: did think it was a first down.
Speaker 3: I was very annoyed that the first ref spotted it
Speaker 3: as a first and then they changed it, and yeah, like,
Speaker 3: I know why people are mad about the refs. There's
Speaker 3: that played.
Speaker 4: There was the catch, which I thought was ridiculous, like
Speaker 4: if both guys are fighting for it, it hits the ground.
Speaker 4: To me, that's as incomplete as incomplete could be. You
Speaker 4: had holes on special team that punt return. They gave
Speaker 4: them a free second to take it to the two
Speaker 4: minute warning.
Speaker 2: Like what was that about?
Speaker 4: So I see why people are upset about the refs,
Speaker 4: But this did not come down to the refs. Josh
Speaker 4: Allen had a chance to win the game. Steve Spagnola's
Speaker 4: defense showed up up. But if Dawn Kinkaid catches that ball,
Speaker 4: we are talking about that being the best throw of
Speaker 4: Josh Allen's career. And then you see the end zone
Speaker 4: angle the next morning it comes out and it's like, Yo,
Speaker 4: that was a great throw. Like Kinkaid was there, it
Speaker 4: hit him off the hands, and I tweeted, I was like,
Speaker 4: time is a depressing flat circle because last season against
Speaker 4: the Chiefs, Josh Allen made the throat of Stefon Diggs.
Speaker 3: That went through his hand. He made the throat to
Speaker 3: Trent Sherfield that went through his hand. So like, while
Speaker 3: the narrative is that the quarterback can't get the job done,
Speaker 3: to me as someone who watches it extremely close, and
Speaker 3: my hands were sweating, my knees were shaking on that
Speaker 3: final drive like it's everyone else, in my opinion, more
Speaker 3: so letting Josh down than it is Josh letting the
Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills down.
Speaker 2: I think that pretty much covers it.
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I saw something from Pat Doherty, Rotto Pat,
Speaker 1: who I thought summed up with Sean McDermott, is basically
Speaker 1: like you know, he's like in the past, I think
Speaker 1: you could.
Speaker 2: Put some of the losses on Sean McDermott.
Speaker 1: Probably not necessarily this, but have the Bills reached the
Speaker 1: point of hey man, maybe we risk a downgrade, but
Speaker 1: maybe it's time just to see what somebody else can do,
Speaker 1: which sort of sounds like where you've been with McDermott
Speaker 1: for a while now.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think the thirteen second game, which again like, oh,
Speaker 3: Alan can't beat Mahomes, let's not rewrite history, like he
Speaker 3: did not leave the field that they lead with thirteen
Speaker 3: seconds left and never touched the ball. Again like, yes,
Speaker 3: he can beat Patrick Mahomes. He's done it more than
Speaker 3: anyone has.
Speaker 4: I think that moment has poisoned McDermott in the locker
Speaker 4: room until this season, I felt like McDermott finally made
Speaker 4: all the adjustments that we wanted. I don't think he'll
Speaker 4: ever be able to beat Andy Reid. I've lost faith
Speaker 4: in that.
Speaker 3: Like, I know, we could say this isn't on him,
Speaker 3: but the Chiefs scored eight season high points in this game.
Speaker 3: The Chiefs have averaged thirty five per game against the
Speaker 3: Bills in the playoffs. The d lion continues to not
Speaker 3: show up every time they play. But I was down
Speaker 3: to make a change when it was like we could
Speaker 3: bring in Ben Johnson or someone like that that I
Speaker 3: thought maybe could put us over the top. I who's
Speaker 3: out there, like Bill Belichick? I I think he one.
Speaker 4: It's all futile as well. They are not firing Sean McDermott.
Speaker 4: I can guarantee you that today. So yeah, they're going
Speaker 4: to be back next year. I'm hoping they make a
Speaker 4: lot of changes because they finally have cap and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. But I until they I'm at the point
Speaker 4: now where until they beat the Chiefs, I'm sure next
Speaker 4: season I'll be like this is it's different this year.
Speaker 4: But right now I'm like, yeah, the Chiefs have deserved it,
Speaker 4: like they But what I was saying to Lakwan before
Speaker 4: the show was like, the Bills are going to take
Speaker 4: it on the chin this week, But point to me
Speaker 4: the team that has beaten Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I mean, Lakwan, of the three of us, you're the
Speaker 1: only ones sitting here whose team has not been victimized
Speaker 1: by Mahomes in the postseason.
Speaker 3: Thankfully, Thank you, Jam You should thank Loamo for that.
Speaker 2: Literally, like you're the only ones.
Speaker 1: You're the only team of the three of us who
Speaker 1: have not been victimized in the postseason.
Speaker 3: I don't have that secret hatred forms. I just don't
Speaker 3: want the Chiefs to hit the three people.
Speaker 1: I don't think for most of America it's hatred. It's
Speaker 1: just fatigue. Yeah, I think I think everybody's just tired.
Speaker 3: I think it's more. I think it's getting to hatred
Speaker 3: because of like the whole ref narrative and right or wrong.
Speaker 3: Please point to me the last significant crucial call that
Speaker 3: didn't go the Chiefs with against the Patriots in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: like or twenty eighteen whenever that was. It's all politics, man,
Speaker 3: there's politics in sports. It is what it is. He's
Speaker 3: on the right side of it.
Speaker 2: I like my job at the NFL.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we will obviously next week we'll dive into the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl matchup. I know it's the one that I
Speaker 1: think most of America least wanted to see, but it's
Speaker 1: what we got.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna die to that last week as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, we're gonna say, breaking back to our exit
Speaker 1: interviews were still stuff to dive it those be a
Speaker 1: beefy first block. We'll get into the rest of it
Speaker 1: here just a second on the NFL Fantasy Football Show.
Speaker 1: All right, now that we've had that moment of Catharsis,
Speaker 1: we get back into the business of exit interviews as
Speaker 1: we dive into picks seventeen through twenty coming up here
Speaker 1: in the NFL Draft, which I was reminded by the
Speaker 1: way it's in Green Bay. I've never been to Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: I hear it's lovely, especially if you're a Packer fan.
Speaker 1: I feel like being outdoors in Green Bay, Wisconsin in
Speaker 1: April might not be great.
Speaker 2: But what do I know.
Speaker 3: They got cheese curves. Apparently they're good.
Speaker 2: Hey man, I'm not knocking cheese curves. Man. The Canadians
Speaker 2: see what they were doing with poutine. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Let's start the pick number seventeen with the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 2: What went right?
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow absolutely, especially in the latter part of the season.
Speaker 1: I just shy of five thousand passing yards, forty three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: nine interceptions. He was the QB four Jamar Chase over
Speaker 1: seventeen hundred receiving yards.
Speaker 2: He was the wide receiver.
Speaker 1: One, Lakwan, I know you have said you are not
Speaker 1: under any circumstances taking a running back in the first round.
Speaker 1: Is Jamar Chase here one dot zero one?
Speaker 2: Yes, he is?
Speaker 3: By default consensus. Probably we get closer to summer, it's
Speaker 3: one on one Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, he was fantastic. I don't think a
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna fight with you on that one.
Speaker 3: I think that's my safest take in the last couple
Speaker 3: of years.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be one of the more lukewarm takes out there,
Speaker 1: if you would be like, yeah, okay, sure. Chase Brown
Speaker 1: had more than thirteen hundred scrimmage yards. He had eleven
Speaker 1: total touchdowns. He was the RB ten. Te Higgins, who
Speaker 1: was banged up at times this year when he was healthy,
Speaker 1: has certainly played well seventy three catches, nine hundred and
Speaker 1: eleven yards, ten receiving touchdowns. He was the wide receiver
Speaker 1: twenty two. The things that went wrong Zach Moss, who
Speaker 1: was not playing particularly well at the beginning, Vin had
Speaker 1: a neck injury and went on the IR after nine games,
Speaker 1: finished as the RB fifty. So Florida, I know te
Speaker 1: Higgins is out there free agency. Joe Burrow has certainly
Speaker 1: made the point that he wants him to come back.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Bengals fans would love to have him back.
Speaker 1: But if he does not come back, does that one?
Speaker 1: Does that lock in Jamar Chase as the undisputed one,
Speaker 1: dot one and two?
Speaker 2: Who else would we look at in that passing game?
Speaker 4: Yes to the first question, I think I think Jamar
Speaker 4: Chase is because his numbers with him without T Higgins
Speaker 4: are like, they're all always good. He's Jamar Chase, He's
Speaker 4: got Joe Burrow at quarterback, but I would be surprised
Speaker 4: if Ti Higgins is back. Bengals are eleventh and cat,
Speaker 4: but they still have to pay Jamar Chase, and obviously
Speaker 4: they need to add to that defense because you could
Speaker 4: have all of these guys, but if you can't stop anyone,
Speaker 4: your season's gonna probably look like it did this past year.
Speaker 4: I think I think the Bengals shown us what their
Speaker 4: intentions were last year when they drafted Jermaine Burton. I
Speaker 4: think he was supposed to be the one that takes
Speaker 4: over for T Higgins. Then it wins about a year
Speaker 4: as you could have for him.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna guess that their number two target is
Speaker 3: not currently on the roster, either they draft a wide
Speaker 3: receiver or they signed someone. But I would be surprised
Speaker 3: because of not just of their situation, but because te
Speaker 3: Higgins is the crown jewel at the wide receiver position
Speaker 3: this year, like he might get twenty five million a
Speaker 3: year or something like that. So I don't think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be the Bengals.
Speaker 4: And to me, my like, obviously we need to know
Speaker 4: where he ends up and stuff, but I do I
Speaker 4: think he takes a bigger hit potentially than Jamar Chase
Speaker 4: going because he's been having the number two corners on
Speaker 4: him for a while now and all that attention that
Speaker 4: Chase gets, it's gonna be the exact opposite if he
Speaker 4: goes somewhere.
Speaker 3: And is the number one.
Speaker 1: Note to self, do not spin fourth round pick on
Speaker 1: andre Yoshivas.
Speaker 3: The dude will have eight touchdown catches though.
Speaker 1: Fill a whole bunch of suxchdown catches, but like you know,
Speaker 1: forty forty receptions that will be it.
Speaker 3: But that just goes more so of like why they
Speaker 3: should pay t Higgins, Like they should break the bank
Speaker 3: for both him and Chase, because there's no real replacements
Speaker 3: out there. I mean, not even a Cooper Cup can
Speaker 3: even fill in T higgins shoes if he was to leave.
Speaker 3: And it's like, you have all these older free agents.
Speaker 3: You have Elijah Moore, you have Keenan Allen. I mean,
Speaker 3: look Van Jefferson, like DeMarcus Robinson, Darius like these are
Speaker 3: available options for free Okay. One of those wide receivers
Speaker 3: did not belong in that group. Yeah, I mean, look
Speaker 3: I just did in order that I'm like, no.
Speaker 2: I'm just read it.
Speaker 3: But more so it just goes to the case like
Speaker 3: there's no real replacement even in this draft to replace
Speaker 3: T Higgins because we all know he's a one elsewhere.
Speaker 3: Like the Bengals are in a situation, a rare luxury
Speaker 3: situation to have two wide receiver ones on the same team,
Speaker 3: So why would you want to break that up for
Speaker 3: another project? In the draft where Jermaine Burton failed, like
Speaker 3: I would have PTSD with that. You know he had
Speaker 3: a character issue, but still it's a young, developing rookie
Speaker 3: wide receiver you're coming in to fill the shoes of
Speaker 3: a Tiggins. There's no way we see Joe Burrow play
Speaker 3: at the level he's played last season. Without T Higgins,
Speaker 3: even with Jamar Chase, You're gonna get fatigue, You're gonna
Speaker 3: get injuries. We're overworking him. Like, I just feel like
Speaker 3: it will be a huge mistake if they let T.
Speaker 3: Higgins walk out of that building, like you fix the cap.
Speaker 1: I mean, you would think so, right, But this is
Speaker 1: also the Bengals that are notorious for not necessarily breaking
Speaker 1: the bank on guys. That has been that has been
Speaker 1: the franchises moo pretty much forever. Maybe they change it
Speaker 1: this year, or maybe they try to go after another
Speaker 1: cheap option. Now, the Jermaine Burton thing was probably one
Speaker 1: we should have seen coming more than we did, because
Speaker 1: that was the reason he fell in the draft. So
Speaker 1: it was it was a surprise, first of all that
Speaker 1: the Bengals drafted him where they did, because you know,
Speaker 1: the expectation was he might fall to day three at
Speaker 1: some point. And then on top of it, you wondered, Okay,
Speaker 1: well do they have the personnel, do they have the
Speaker 1: sort of the system in place to kind of get
Speaker 1: his mind on try And it would appear that the
Speaker 1: answer is no. I mean, let's just be honest, right,
Speaker 1: I Mean, he was on and off the field, he
Speaker 1: was getting suspended. He was not you know, he was
Speaker 1: getting left at home on road trips stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So like they obviously didn't have the system in place
Speaker 1: to make sure that he was the professional they needed
Speaker 1: him to be. What this means for his future, I
Speaker 1: will say, doesn't look good and it does make you
Speaker 1: wonder whether or not because considering the depth of wide
Speaker 1: receivers coming out of college every year, whether or not
Speaker 1: the Bengals take another swing at it when you figure
Speaker 1: they have not a ton of investment in Jermaine Burton
Speaker 1: at this point.
Speaker 4: Really, Jamar Chase said prior to the year, he wants
Speaker 4: more than justin Jefferson, and then he went out and
Speaker 4: had won the Triple Crown, like he's gonna get over
Speaker 4: thirty five million year, I think, And if t Higgins
Speaker 4: is gonna get over twenty a year, I mean, two
Speaker 4: teams do it. The Eagles and the Dolphins are paying
Speaker 4: two wide receivers over fifty million a year, but these
Speaker 4: two guys would probably be over sixty.
Speaker 1: And that's one of those two team just going to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. The other one is sort of figuring
Speaker 1: out what went wrong this year.
Speaker 3: So the formula is there, though.
Speaker 1: Your results may vary on that. Before we move off
Speaker 1: to Bengals real quick, lukwan uh. Chase Brown? Can he
Speaker 1: be a top ten running back again next year?
Speaker 3: Something tells me they're gonna invest, They're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 3: go out there and bring a guy in. I mean,
Speaker 3: Zach Walts was supposed to work, but he got hurt.
Speaker 3: So the emergence of Chase Brown really happened with you know,
Speaker 3: him getting injured. I mean, the weird accusation of a
Speaker 3: Khalil Herbert that never really happened. But I just feel
Speaker 3: like he can be the guy if they don't go
Speaker 3: to the draft and bringing the guy or free agency.
Speaker 3: But I honestly think they're gonna bring somebody in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I like Chase Brown. I like him
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: I was end up getting the workload he did just
Speaker 1: by circumstance, and I'm with you, I sort of wonder
Speaker 1: whether or not they're gonna do that again coming up
Speaker 1: this year for sure.
Speaker 3: A good draft for it, good draft.
Speaker 1: For it, we'll see. Let's move order to Seattle Seahawks
Speaker 1: because they are the eight team. They were ten and
Speaker 1: seven last year. I should have mentioned, by the way,
Speaker 1: the Bengals were nine and eight. See Seahawks ten and seven.
Speaker 1: What went right for sure Jackson Smith and Jigbo, who
Speaker 1: really elevated himself from the number three receiver to by
Speaker 1: the end of the year was kind of the number
Speaker 1: one receiver. Hundred ketches over eleven hundred yards, six touchdowns,
Speaker 1: wide receiver seven. That being said, Floria, where we draft
Speaker 1: in Jasn next year? Round three? Is that reasonable?
Speaker 4: My first thought was round four? So in that range,
Speaker 4: I would love him so much more as a two.
Speaker 2: Zero.
Speaker 3: Part of me wants him as my one.
Speaker 4: And that's not so much about him as one who's
Speaker 4: gonna be calling the plays.
Speaker 3: Right, like, we gotta see that two. Is it gonna
Speaker 3: be Gino again? I know Gino had it was a
Speaker 3: very mixed bag year.
Speaker 4: Like he had a lot of yards, not a lot
Speaker 4: of touchdowns. I love Jaysn as a prospect coming out
Speaker 4: all of that. He is also the only Seahawks receiver
Speaker 4: I really what would want. But yeah, it's much more
Speaker 4: as a two and it's very price dependent. Just it's
Speaker 4: more about his quarterback and his offense though than it
Speaker 4: is him, because I believe he is insanely talented.
Speaker 2: But I just.
Speaker 3: I also have a little bit of pause if Seattle's
Speaker 3: going to change their approach because last year they were like,
Speaker 3: we're gonna throw downfield, We're gonna run a quick, tempoed
Speaker 3: offense and everything. There's a defensive minded head coach there.
Speaker 3: They didn't make the playoffs. I wonder if he's gonna
Speaker 3: be like, I want to put things more on my
Speaker 3: side of the ball and control the clock more and
Speaker 3: stuff like that rather than trying to sling it around
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 1: Well, they did hire Clint Kubiak as their offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: coming from New Orleans.
Speaker 2: So I mean, zero pers are excited. There's nothing about it.
Speaker 2: There's nothing exciting about it.
Speaker 1: But also, I mean just so many things went wrong
Speaker 1: injury wise in New Orleans too that I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's when we really got to take
Speaker 1: a deeper dive into and sort of.
Speaker 3: They started off hot though, I mean they were.
Speaker 1: They were the hottest thing on four legs at the
Speaker 1: start of the season, and then everything went sideways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but who do they It was like the Giants
Speaker 3: and like the Panthers or something like.
Speaker 2: That, Panthers and Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they scored a combined ninety one points in
Speaker 1: their first two games, and then I think it took
Speaker 1: them like a month to score ninety one points combined
Speaker 1: after that.
Speaker 2: So the things that went.
Speaker 1: Wrong though in Seattle, DK, it wasn't the things went wrong,
Speaker 1: just a lot of things wentn't meh right, DK Metcalf
Speaker 1: was wide receiver thirty five, just shy of one thousand yards.
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker did not have the healthiest season he got
Speaker 1: you just just shy of nine hundred scrimmage yards, had
Speaker 1: eight total touchdowns. Gino Smith, you mentioned to Florio, you know,
Speaker 1: not a ton of touchdowns, a decent number of yards
Speaker 1: forty three hundred yards, twenty one CDs, fifteen, interceptions QB fifteen.
Speaker 1: So I asked, where you're drafting jsn Lakwan, Where are
Speaker 1: you drafting DK next year?
Speaker 3: Me personally, I'm not. But in my mock I got
Speaker 3: him in the fourth round and I have at three
Speaker 3: h nine and that's like right next to Marvin Harrison junior.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if DK brings that appeal with
Speaker 3: this new offensive coordinator either, Like it's it was just
Speaker 3: a lot of frustration on the sidelines this season, Like
Speaker 3: it was just a lot of confusion now you're bringing
Speaker 3: in another offensive coordinator, which I won't say he's not proven,
Speaker 3: but we just haven't seen him, you know, put you know,
Speaker 3: belt the butt you know on the offense on a
Speaker 3: consistent basis. You know, like it's only the two games
Speaker 3: that we could really have high hopes for and it's
Speaker 3: like this one will probably be a lot of play action,
Speaker 3: a lot of motion you know, going on with JSN
Speaker 3: hopefully if that's how they utilize him. But if this
Speaker 3: offense can get up and going, like you know, you
Speaker 3: might want to take the discount on DK if you
Speaker 3: are interested on drafting him. Because he didn't have one
Speaker 3: of his best seasons either, No, I.
Speaker 2: Mean he really didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean again to the point that by the end
Speaker 1: of the year, we all looked at Jackson Smith in
Speaker 1: but as the wide receiver one there in Seattle. So
Speaker 1: it does mean that you know, Metcalff is coming at
Speaker 1: a discount, is he?
Speaker 2: Though? I say fourth round, Like, I don't know how
Speaker 2: much of a discount that is, right, Well.
Speaker 3: If it's gonna be a heavy wide receiver draft when
Speaker 3: most straps were this season, I mean, some of these
Speaker 3: guys get pulled up to a round that seems nasty
Speaker 3: on paper, but I want no part of the look.
Speaker 3: It's because I let myself get sucked.
Speaker 4: In last year after saying at the end of the
Speaker 4: season prior, like, yeah, I'm probably not taking DK anymore.
Speaker 4: I let the new OC and everything. He one time
Speaker 4: in his career he's been top twenty at wide receiver
Speaker 4: in points per game.
Speaker 3: Like, so him getting.
Speaker 4: Drafted outside the top twenty is taking him where he's
Speaker 4: finished every year but one in his career. So, like,
Speaker 4: I get that the upside is there, but I like
Speaker 4: DK is what DK is. In my opinion, most games
Speaker 4: are gonna he's very up or down. He's gonna have
Speaker 4: a game where he catches like three touchdowns for it
Speaker 4: goes for one hundred and fifty yards, and then he's
Speaker 4: gonna have a bunch of down weeks. And I don't know,
Speaker 4: like maybe it's.
Speaker 3: Just because he's driven me crazy over the years, but
Speaker 3: like I'm kinda like, I don't I don't want to
Speaker 3: do this again.
Speaker 1: No, I think the other part that you have to
Speaker 1: talk about is we've seen the absolute ceiling for Gino Smith.
Speaker 1: That twenty twenty two season was his absolute ceiling.
Speaker 2: Forty two hundred yards thirty touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Right since then he's throwing twenty touchdowns and then this
Speaker 1: past year was twenty one touchdowns. So you also have
Speaker 1: to ask yourself, can Gino Smith support two wide receivers
Speaker 1: at a really high level?
Speaker 2: And I think the answer is not really. I think
Speaker 2: he can get you.
Speaker 1: He can maybe have a wide receiver one and then
Speaker 1: a wide receiver too, or you can get you two
Speaker 1: high end wide receiver twos. I think that is sort
Speaker 1: of the best case you could expect out of Geno Smith.
Speaker 1: He's not going anywhere obviously, anytime soon, so this is
Speaker 1: going to be your quarterback for the time being there
Speaker 1: in Seattle, barring injury or him just completely imploding. I
Speaker 1: don't see that second part happening, so and I don't
Speaker 1: wish for the first thing. So I think this is
Speaker 1: sort of what it is when you look at that
Speaker 1: Seahawks offense. For sure, take a break, come back. We
Speaker 1: got two more teams to talk about in our exit interviews.
Speaker 1: NEI will wrap this one up here on the NFL
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football podcast. Drafting at the number nineteen spots. It's
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They were ten and seven this
Speaker 1: past year, made it to the postseason. Baker Mayfield again
Speaker 1: a thing that went right. Forty five hundred passing yards,
Speaker 1: forty one passing touchdowns.
Speaker 2: He was the QB five.
Speaker 1: Mike Evans did it again, one thousand and four receiving yards.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the Bucks for on their very last
Speaker 1: offensive play of the regular season, in a game that
Speaker 1: they already had won, lined up and ran a wide
Speaker 1: receiver screen to Mike Evans to get him over that
Speaker 1: thousand yard mark. I think that was the thing that
Speaker 1: universally we all were like, yeah, man, that was great.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like sports social media just universally was like,
Speaker 1: that was awesome. Thank you so much for that wide
Speaker 1: receiver thirteen. Despite missing a handful of games with injuries,
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving was a revelation this year. Over eleven hundred
Speaker 1: rushing yards nearly four hundred receiving yards. He was the
Speaker 1: RB fifteen.
Speaker 2: So, knowing Florio that.
Speaker 1: That running backs are probably getting pushed down the board
Speaker 1: a little bit, where are we drafting Bucky Irving?
Speaker 2: See third round? I mean whybys seem really really high
Speaker 2: on him right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I do think if it depends on what
Speaker 4: their offense looks like, next year and who the oc is.
Speaker 4: I was thinking third fourth round, like late third, early
Speaker 4: fourth round, but Rashad White is He's what we thought
Speaker 4: he was like. He is not a good runner. He
Speaker 4: could be utilized as like a pass catcher, but his
Speaker 4: existence there is a thorn in this side of Bucky
Speaker 4: Irving because he will take some of those very valuable
Speaker 4: targets away, which Bucky has the potential to be an
Speaker 4: RB one. But if Rashad White is there and playing
Speaker 4: third downs in two minute drills and stuff like he
Speaker 4: was this year, then I think it kind of caps
Speaker 4: Irving as like a high end ur that I'll have
Speaker 4: some RB one weeks. But even more than that, it's
Speaker 4: what we keep talking about. The first two rounds are
Speaker 4: probably gonna be a ton of wide receivers, so more
Speaker 4: of these fringe like I could see him going similar
Speaker 4: to where like and I'm not saying he's gonna have
Speaker 4: the same season as him, but think back to like
Speaker 4: Travis Etn last year, where he was a third round
Speaker 4: pick in most drafts, but in some wide receiver heavy drafts,
Speaker 4: he'd see him slide a little bit. I could see Bucky.
Speaker 3: Going in that sort of range next year.
Speaker 1: From Week twelve, which is the week after their bye,
Speaker 1: to the end of the season three week eighteen, he
Speaker 1: was the RB six, averaged just over eighteen points per game.
Speaker 2: Did Bucky Irving?
Speaker 1: I mean, people seem really really excited about him, and
Speaker 1: I've seen people talk about he's already one of the
Speaker 1: best running backs just pure running backs in the league.
Speaker 1: But as you mentioned, yeah, yes, a new offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: and Rashad White still there.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna throw out some names. Tell me when
Speaker 4: when you would stop and you would take Bucky Irving. Okay,
Speaker 4: Jamior Gibbs, Saquon Barkley, Bijon Derrick, Henry, Devon ah Chan,
Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs, Hyan Williams, James Cook, Alvin Kamara, Chase Brown,
Speaker 4: James Connor, and Jonathan Taylor. Those were the twelve running
Speaker 4: backs maybe at Camara, maybe that's eight you would definitely
Speaker 4: take ahead of them, I mean, just because of what
Speaker 4: potentially is coming in New Orleans this year, because that's
Speaker 4: sort of a mess.
Speaker 2: What about Breece Hall, I'm taking Breece over Bucky.
Speaker 3: I'm taking Brace. What about Devon A.
Speaker 2: Chan.
Speaker 3: That's where I got him in my mock right next
Speaker 3: to a Chan at that three oh seven, three oh eight, I.
Speaker 4: Think I still take a Chan over Bucky Irving. A
Speaker 4: Chan was a top five running back this year. I'm
Speaker 4: taking him all day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still think I still take a Chan over
Speaker 2: Bucky Irving.
Speaker 4: And he did that with two a missing time. I
Speaker 4: think a Chan is gonna be a top two round
Speaker 4: pick easily.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: With Tua he was lights out, So yeah, one hundred
Speaker 1: percent doing that anyway. That gets us to who will deliver?
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Speaker 1: not go well for the Buccaneers was Chris Godwin.
Speaker 2: Mostly just because injuries.
Speaker 1: Ankle injury put him on ir after just seven games
Speaker 1: fifty catches, five hundred and seventy six yards, five touchdowns.
Speaker 1: He ended up as the wide receiver fifty one this year.
Speaker 1: But he is a free agent, you know, and we'll
Speaker 1: see whether or not he decides to walk or if
Speaker 1: he sticks in Tampa Bay. But lakwan, if he does
Speaker 1: not re sign with the Bucks, what does this mean
Speaker 1: for Jalen McMillan, who we loved and who came to
Speaker 1: life late in the season, especially catching touchdowns. Could he
Speaker 1: end up being the twenty twenty five version of JSN.
Speaker 1: If Chris Godwin is not there.
Speaker 3: I would pump the brakes on that just with the
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator change. And you know, I think a lot
Speaker 3: of what was installed for him, and it worked for
Speaker 3: him because he mirrored kind of what Chris Godwin had
Speaker 3: for him with Liam Colin. And I think, you know,
Speaker 3: I have to just be realistic here, being that I
Speaker 3: could see him finishing outside the top forty, top fifty,
Speaker 3: you know, wide receivers, because there's just an unknown there
Speaker 3: of what's going on. I just feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: he had an awesome rookie campaign on the back end
Speaker 3: of the season, but we need to be realistic if,
Speaker 3: like with these changes, is he still going to be
Speaker 3: the same players He's still going to have that same
Speaker 3: opportunity because if Chris Godwin leaves, there's still going to
Speaker 3: be a holder that they need another reliable wide receiver
Speaker 3: who says that they're going to be done.
Speaker 1: Adding, Yeah, I mean I think that's sort of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that being said against loyal no Chris Godwin.
Speaker 1: In our hypothetical here, McMillan, is he a top twenty
Speaker 1: five wide.
Speaker 2: Receiver, top thirty? Where are you looking at top thirty.
Speaker 3: I think I'm excited for him because I think what
Speaker 3: teams are starting to do nowadays is they're drafting the
Speaker 3: replacement a year before that other player leaves. And I
Speaker 3: think McMillan was brought in to kind of behind Godwin
Speaker 3: this year, which he did until Godwin got hurt, and
Speaker 3: then he really stepped up. I think the Bucks know
Speaker 3: that there's a good chance that they lose Chris Godwin
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 4: Now they want him back, and if he comes back,
Speaker 4: this changes everything because he'll be playing ahead of McMillan still.
Speaker 4: But if he leaves, I think even if the Bucks
Speaker 4: bring in another wide receiver, McMillan could be that slot guy.
Speaker 4: He's already excelled in that role. Him and Baker clearly
Speaker 4: have the chemistry. The OC determines a lot. But I
Speaker 4: think the fact that we've seen this Bucks offense perform
Speaker 4: now with numerous offense coordinators.
Speaker 3: Now, they've both been great in Canalis and Cohen. But
Speaker 3: if they bring in another sharp offensive mind, I think
Speaker 3: this offense could stay afloat and could keep getting especially
Speaker 3: Mike Evans as great as he is, he's getting close
Speaker 3: to that age cliff, so there could be a potential
Speaker 3: scenario where McMillan ends up sooner than later being their
Speaker 3: wide receiver.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, Mike Evans is going to be
Speaker 1: thirty two when next season starts. Definitely not old old,
Speaker 1: but look man, he's He's had one thousand yards eleven
Speaker 1: straight years. At some point it does come to an end, presumably,
Speaker 1: and so you do have to sort of start to
Speaker 1: prepare for that moment when it does come. I'm willing
Speaker 1: to take the shot, and as a top thirty receiver
Speaker 1: on McMillan, I think the rapport that all the pieces
Speaker 1: have together with Baker and Evans, and see what Baker
Speaker 1: and McMillan did last year kind of makes you optimistic,
Speaker 1: even without knowing who the play caller is going to be.
Speaker 3: You know what's fantasy guys are sucker for young players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we always love shining new things.
Speaker 3: I'm out noy Hey, hey hater?
Speaker 2: All right?
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Speaker 1: NFL Order. Now our last team in this edition of
Speaker 1: the Exit Interviews, the number twenty pick in this upcoming
Speaker 1: draft belongs to the Denver Broncos. They were ten and seven. Bonnicks.
Speaker 1: One of the things that went right. I think we
Speaker 1: all became bow Lievers at some point during the season.
Speaker 1: Three seven hundred and seventy five passing yards, twenty nine touchdowns,
Speaker 1: twelve picks. Also four hundred and thirty rushing yards and
Speaker 1: four rushing touchdowns. Even had a receiving touchdown this year.
Speaker 1: But Nick's a bit of everything.
Speaker 2: QB nine, so that was great. But lakwan, are we
Speaker 2: really drafting bow Knicks as at QB one next year?
Speaker 3: Yes? Wow, yes, yes I am. I don't care about
Speaker 3: who else is on this trend, but I am just
Speaker 3: going to take that confidence because they're just going to
Speaker 3: add to that offense. If they add Chris Godwin, then
Speaker 3: we're so in right, like we will be so in
Speaker 3: on bow Knicks. If they add a wide receiver for
Speaker 3: that caliber, you're adding more weapons to the offense. The
Speaker 3: old line was one of the best out there. He's
Speaker 3: best to create on his feet. Like, I'm just super
Speaker 3: all in. I'm the biggest bowliever. If there was a
Speaker 3: Justin Bieber, Like, what is it? The believers? I am
Speaker 3: one of them. Yeah, Yeah, I'm so standing for bo
Speaker 3: Knicks in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: I thought I was a true bow leiever, but maybe
Speaker 1: I'm not. Where do you fall on this florio.
Speaker 3: I am not in nearly as Look, I'm excited for
Speaker 3: bo Nicks.
Speaker 4: I thought what he had his rookie year was phenomenal.
Speaker 4: But and maybe this is I could easily be wrong
Speaker 4: on this. I think of all the rookie quarterbacks, bo
Speaker 4: Nix is the closest to his ceiling in this league
Speaker 4: because twenty four years old, five years in college, and
Speaker 4: I know you could say Jade and Daniels did all
Speaker 4: of that as well, But I felt like watching bo
Speaker 4: Nicks this year, like he did phenomenal in the system
Speaker 4: and what he was asked to do. But I thought
Speaker 4: a lot of it was the fact that he's in
Speaker 4: this system and Sean Payton and everything.
Speaker 3: So that's all gonna be back next year. But I'm
Speaker 3: wondering what, Like, I'm more concerned.
Speaker 4: About his sophomore slump with him as well, because teams
Speaker 4: are gonna now look at the tape figure out what
Speaker 4: he does well and stuff like that. At no point
Speaker 4: did I watch both like I watch jayde and Daniels
Speaker 4: play and I'm like, this kid is amazing. He is
Speaker 4: the future. I watch bon Nicks play and I'm like,
Speaker 4: the future is bright and den They found their quarterback
Speaker 4: of the future here. But at no point was I like,
Speaker 4: this kid is one of the gonna be one of
Speaker 4: the best in the league. So I think, like to me,
Speaker 4: I think the up side. That's why I said a
Speaker 4: couple weeks ago, like I'd rather have Drake May. I
Speaker 4: think there's more upside there. I'd rather have Kleb. I
Speaker 4: think there's more upside there. But I think bow Knicks
Speaker 4: gets drafted as a QB one. The issue I have
Speaker 4: is I think some people are gonna pull them up
Speaker 4: too high up the board and start taking them closer
Speaker 4: to QB five than QB twelve, and that's not something
Speaker 4: I could get behind.
Speaker 1: I think my evaluation of bow Knix was, hey, this
Speaker 1: turned out better than I thought it would.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was that was sort of it.
Speaker 1: And I think even then it was mostly from a
Speaker 1: fantasy perspective, like, obviously he helped them get into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: They squeak in at ten and seven, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: they get rolled by the Bills. Really, no shame in
Speaker 1: that for the Broncos because I think you were sort
Speaker 1: of ahead a schedule. But I think in terms of
Speaker 1: actual football, let's look at the division. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the Raiders we talked about and they're sort of a
Speaker 1: mess right now trying to figure things out. But when
Speaker 1: it comes to quarterbacks in the AFC West, we know
Speaker 1: you're taking Mahomes ahead.
Speaker 2: Of bow Knicks. That's not a question.
Speaker 1: You're still taking Justin Herbert ahead of bow Knicks, right, yes,
Speaker 1: right right, in terms of actual football. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about fantasy but actual football. Yes, yes, I don't
Speaker 1: have Justin Herbert then bow Knicks. So that being said,
Speaker 1: the Broncos right now, the best hope is to continue
Speaker 1: to sort of squeak in as a wild card.
Speaker 2: And I'm with you Florio.
Speaker 1: I think I think we sort of he's not at
Speaker 1: the ceiling yet, but you know, if he stands up,
Speaker 1: he's gonna bump his head.
Speaker 2: Yes, I like that, So I mean that's I think
Speaker 2: that's sort of where we are.
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton eighty one catches over a thousand yards, eight
Speaker 1: receiving touchdowns, even had a passing touchdown. He was wide
Speaker 1: receiver fifteen. I feel like Courtland Sutton's just one of
Speaker 1: those guys who's sort of steady. You know, there's not
Speaker 1: really much to get to really talk about. He's a
Speaker 1: nice player.
Speaker 3: Aaron McLaurin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna you're not breaking a bank for him,
Speaker 1: but you know you're not upset about having him on
Speaker 1: your roster.
Speaker 2: That's sort of where we are there. So what went wrong?
Speaker 1: So written down here is Javonte Williams five hundred and
Speaker 1: thirteen rush yards, three hundred and forty six receiving yards
Speaker 1: RB thirty one. I feel like we could have oscol
Speaker 1: also just put Broncos backfield and that would have been
Speaker 1: there equally correct.
Speaker 2: Look on, we're not drafting of Broncos back next year,
Speaker 2: are we? We're just not.
Speaker 3: I can't muster up, you know, a hype trained to
Speaker 3: do that. I mean no, I mean not even if
Speaker 3: they hit the draft and they hit one of the
Speaker 3: running backs I like, or they bring into my own
Speaker 3: free agency, no, like, I just don't want any parts
Speaker 3: of it. It was a very very hard, you know,
Speaker 3: decision making when you have all your estimate and Javonte
Speaker 3: Williams on your roster and you're just like, well, I'm done.
Speaker 1: It was the lesser of two, honestly, med but it's
Speaker 1: less than them Florida.
Speaker 2: I mean Javonte five.
Speaker 1: Hundred and thirteen rush yards, Jeel mcgloff in four ninety
Speaker 1: six estimate three to ten.
Speaker 2: There's just nothing there to be excited about.
Speaker 3: It was awful, like it It was worse if you
Speaker 3: lived it then if you look at.
Speaker 2: Those results, because as.
Speaker 4: Someone who had a decent amount of Javonte Williams, because
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, he looked good in the preseason
Speaker 4: and he's going as like an RB.
Speaker 3: Three and I'm going wide receiver heavy. So the only
Speaker 3: week it was fun was the week.
Speaker 4: They played the Saints on Thursday Night football, and I
Speaker 4: sat him because he had done nothing up until that point.
Speaker 4: So like, that's kind of what this backfield is. There's
Speaker 4: no rhyme or reason to it. Remember, for weeks, Payne
Speaker 4: was like, we gotta get autric estimate more involved than
Speaker 4: he had that one game where he had like twelve
Speaker 4: carries or whatever, and then the next week he had
Speaker 4: no touches.
Speaker 3: Like it's just maddening and frustrating. And then Jalio he
Speaker 3: sprinkled within all that chaos, and it's like, what am
Speaker 3: I supposed to do with this?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: By the end of the year, when I.
Speaker 4: Was writing starts, sit, I get to sit running backs,
Speaker 4: and I would just autumn.
Speaker 3: I wouldn'tven look at the matchup. I would just write
Speaker 3: Broncos running backs, and I want zero percent to do
Speaker 3: with that backfield next year.
Speaker 2: You should just send yourself time.
Speaker 1: You should have just been like, sit Broncos running backs,
Speaker 1: you know why, and then just moved on to the
Speaker 1: next one.
Speaker 3: Right, and you know, well, Jamonti is a free agent though,
Speaker 3: so maybe he things and you get back on there.
Speaker 2: I think it's a wrap for him, at least in
Speaker 2: any any major role.
Speaker 4: Remember when him and Michael Carter, Him and Michael Carter
Speaker 4: are gonna be like the future coming out of UNC.
Speaker 3: Michael Carter gets spelled by Ty Johnson.
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, just yeah.
Speaker 1: At this point, I mean, Javonte, he's gonna be heading
Speaker 1: into year five. He's had injuries, he hasn't played well.
Speaker 2: I just maybe.
Speaker 1: Somebody signs him, but he's never gonna get a huge role.
Speaker 1: It's never gonna be what we wanted it, what I
Speaker 1: wanted it to be.
Speaker 2: Raiders, would you be interested if the Raiders. No, not
Speaker 2: really offense, no, because they got agent and that hurts a.
Speaker 3: Chan but well, oh yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean like it just sometimes we just gotta
Speaker 1: just say, this wasn't meant to be. And I think
Speaker 1: with Javonte just it just wasn't meant to be.
Speaker 3: Apparently, I see Marcus heart slowly breaking.
Speaker 1: It is man, I just because I had so I
Speaker 1: was so excited. And when he got drafted by the
Speaker 1: Broncos and they had Melvin Gordon there, I had a
Speaker 1: sad and Adam Rank talked me out of it and
Speaker 1: it was like it's gonna be fine, and I really
Speaker 1: tried to buy into it. It was an rookie year.
Speaker 1: He had nine hundred rushing yards and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: things are gonna be fine. And then, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: Sean Payton treats Davonte Williams like he kicked his dog
Speaker 1: or something like.
Speaker 2: I don't really get.
Speaker 3: Goodness for Marvin Mems. I guess the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to know that he and Sean Payton
Speaker 2: have been introduced to one another. That's good. It took
Speaker 2: two years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you were in a last year when oh
Speaker 1: ye're like, you know, last year was like Sean Payn's
Speaker 1: we should get Marvin Memes more involved. It was the
Speaker 1: Tom rat was it was that sim Robinson in a
Speaker 1: hot dog suit. Like we're all trying to find a
Speaker 1: guy who did this, Like you're the guy who could
Speaker 1: put him on the field.
Speaker 2: Do it worked up at the end of the show,
Speaker 2: this is not supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go I'm gonna drink some water with some
Speaker 1: limon in it. I'm gonna calm down. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: ready for the next show on Thursday. We'll continue our
Speaker 1: exit interviews and uh, I don't know, we'll do some
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl something.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Figure out how to fill in the
Speaker 2: rest of the show.
Speaker 3: Let's go outline and do some activities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should go out and see what's going happen
Speaker 1: in these fantasy streets. I've been inside. All right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna wrap this thing up. That'll do it for this
Speaker 1: edition at the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, they happy, saveing ld,
Speaker 1: do good and live well. I enjoyed the next couple
Speaker 1: of days, folks. We'll talk to you on Thursday. A