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Speaker 1: All right, Matt Mosley has been to a lot of

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Speaker 1: Is Jerry morphing into an old Al Davis? So how

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Speaker 1: many camps have you been to?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess you start in two thousand and three

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Speaker 2: every every Cowboys camp into even the COVID that was strange.

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Speaker 2: You had to Yeah, they limited the media, so you

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Speaker 2: really had to show like all your creditionals that and really,

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Speaker 2: but you got every training camp, says two thousand and three,

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Speaker 1: So it Yeah, the Rams and mcveighor are kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've seen a circus and it involved

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Speaker 2: But yeah, this is it's a circus from the outside

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Speaker 2: Yesterday I got out early to practice and watched him

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Speaker 2: But I'm just no matter what's happening in camp, it's

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Speaker 2: camp before when there's a big thing going on, a

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Speaker 2: Oceanwah one year, and boy Jerry's beating over that deal

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Speaker 2: because he's trying to get a deal. And that was

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Speaker 2: all happening in real time, but we watched it all happening,

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Speaker 2: and this is a little bit like that. In that

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Speaker 2: daily we're spending as much time with our cameras in

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Speaker 2: our eyes on Micah as we are what's happening on

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Speaker 2: it's overshadowing and somewhat undermining his full operation.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean lost in all of it is the

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Speaker 1: in pure in terms of pure talent, those are tremendously

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Speaker 2: You know, I would say, and we had a good

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Speaker 2: and Pickens is in such a good headspace because he

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Speaker 2: It's just like the opposite of MICA's thing. Micah is

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Speaker 2: we go back and forth on what Dak Prescott is,

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Speaker 2: it because one thing they're trying to do is instead

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Speaker 1: You know, Matt, and I've said this is that there

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Speaker 1: I definitely think twenty five years ago, Jerry was thought

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Speaker 1: I mean his age? Obviously, I always see him. He's

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Speaker 2: How present is he same? Maybe not quite as visible

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Speaker 2: He's he's making tons of decisions when it comes to personnel.

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Speaker 2: You know, Steven's heavily involved in all of that. But

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Speaker 2: every one of these negotiations in that's what's funny to me.

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Speaker 2: And everybody jumps through these hoops and ghost he's not

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Speaker 3: We all move on.

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Speaker 2: There's no I don't even give it. I barely even

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Speaker 2: But what kind of hold out is that? Emmett was

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Speaker 2: It's fun, I mean, but to Jerry, it's all it's

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's understood. Brian Schottenheimer was one

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Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody can truly succeed the monster

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Speaker 2: It's gonna look bad, it's gonna affect my legacy. As

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Speaker 2: what he has to hope for. The huge upside to

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Speaker 1: It's almost impossible, Matt to have a good offensive line

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Speaker 1: get ahead job. I think there are so many smart

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Speaker 1: offensive coaches that you're seeing all these rebound careers with

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Speaker 1: multiple guys. I mean, like Darnald Gino, I mean especially

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. Baker like there are saturdays. Hell, he looks

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Speaker 1: like a pro bowler in the NFC. So what I

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Speaker 1: worry about Schottenheimer. He's an old school offensive coordinator, not

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Speaker 1: as much motion, not as many sets, and I do

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Speaker 1: worry that he's on the right side of it. He's

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Speaker 1: an offensive coach, but is the a little bit of

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Speaker 1: an outdated offensive coach because Lafleur, McVeigh, Shanahan, they feel

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Speaker 1: very current, very very Schottenheimer feels a little bit like

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Speaker 1: like the offensive game got a little sophisticated very quickly,

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Speaker 1: and he didn't quite keep up. That's my take.

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Speaker 2: I agree with they weren't serious when you have these

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Speaker 2: big time off its coordinators. And Jerry hated the thought

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Speaker 2: the guy in Chicago. Now that the fact that he

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Speaker 2: got whatever he got thirteen million that second Jerry, it's

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Speaker 2: sick of Jim to have a first year coach. He

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Speaker 2: cannot he can understand that one thing I'll say on

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Speaker 2: Shody tons of emotion out here. I mean that may

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Speaker 2: not have been what he I'd have to look back

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Speaker 2: and really study what he was doing at Seattle at

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Speaker 2: other places, they are so much more than with McCarthy.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't believe it. Of Ike got candy. And in

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Speaker 2: the past they tried to you know where it was

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Speaker 2: follwered or wherever they brought in. They love, they love

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Speaker 2: talking about gadget guys. Oh, we're gonna try to get

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Speaker 2: this guy a lot of touches. They never could do it.

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Speaker 2: They never could stomach because they got the game, they

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Speaker 2: didn't want to do it, and the only thing they

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Speaker 2: had was like one jet sweep. They had nothing, they

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Speaker 2: had no things to go to. I'm telling you, we're

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Speaker 2: seeing tons of motion. So I think he studied up

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Speaker 2: on Shannahn and McVeigh. And of course we'll see McVeigh

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Speaker 2: his team here today. I'll be see the two teams

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Speaker 2: against each other. But when I watched this offense and

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Speaker 2: you can hear they started do massive music behind us

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Speaker 2: as to get ready for practice. But tons, tons, more

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Speaker 2: eye candy, more motion, and I've seen more rub routes

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Speaker 2: in this camp. That I've seen in the last ten

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Speaker 2: years combine and when it happens, and it happens right,

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Speaker 2: you'll see Shady come racing down the field to celebrate.

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Speaker 2: That's the only thing I would say, here's the xpact.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're totally wrong in thinking I don't

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Speaker 2: think it was that rate of a higher. I'm not

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Speaker 2: that inspired by it. But I've I've almost never seen

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Speaker 2: a guy this happy and this like like he he's

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Speaker 2: been waiting for this his whole life. He's got his

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Speaker 2: father's legacy can think about, and he's emulating a pretty

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Speaker 2: good guy. He's he's trying to be the next Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 2: and that's not a bad guy to emulate. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's only probably one because you saw him. He's seventy

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Speaker 2: five years old and he's still out running sprints and

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Speaker 2: he's throwing. He's a fun guy, and he think about

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Speaker 2: the way they think of the Raiders right now. In

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Speaker 2: one Higher, in one Overnight Higher. I saw somebody did

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Speaker 2: the other day. They said the best coaching staffs in

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Speaker 2: the deal, and I expected, like usual, the Raiders to

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Speaker 2: be like the thirtieth best, right because you're just like,

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Speaker 2: that's the Raiders and they were like the sixth or

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Speaker 2: seventh best coaching staff. It's it's suddenly he gave them credibility.

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Speaker 2: It does stink for Cowboys fans that Jerry didn't even

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Speaker 2: consider that the thought of bringing in a Belichickian, Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 2: monster coach, monster credentials. You know, even the Cohen, even

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Speaker 2: the Johnston, even these guys that were young, inspiring offensive coaches.

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Speaker 2: He didn't even gabble. He didn't even look at it.

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Speaker 2: It's because at the end of the day, let's come

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Speaker 2: back to what it is, he doesn't respect coaches and

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Speaker 2: he never has. You just ran over it, Jen Gaily,

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Speaker 2: Dave Campo. You know, McCarthy was a retread yet as

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Speaker 2: he had a Super Bowl, but he grown extremely stale

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Speaker 2: with Green Bay. He wants comfort, he wants cover. Jason

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Speaker 2: Garrett was the ultimate yes man. Okay, I like Jajason

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Speaker 2: got along with him great. But I mean, you can't

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Speaker 2: find a bigger yes man than Jason Garrett, So I

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Speaker 2: will I'll just say this, He's managed a Micah thing

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Speaker 2: extremely well. I like to look and see how I

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Speaker 2: think head coaches gms are handling volatile, weird situations and

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Speaker 2: in this case. Shot he's been beautiful with He's been

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Speaker 2: beautiful because he and Micah talk on the phone. They

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Speaker 2: have a separate relationship. Shot. He's not trying to walk

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Speaker 2: that fine life. Shody is identifying and supporting the player

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Speaker 2: over Jerry. Garrett wouldn't have done that. Mccarkey wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: done that. Campo, Sorry, Dave, here's this because I love Campo.

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Speaker 2: None of those guys would have done it. They would

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Speaker 2: have said, Jerry, how do you want me to play

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Speaker 2: this shot? He's handling it in his own way, which

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Speaker 2: is to favor the player over management. And I don't

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Speaker 2: think I mean, I think that makes it look pretty

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Speaker 2: good here, at least in my mind.

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Speaker 1: All Right, get out there, rams, cowboys, Matt Mo. You

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Speaker 1: have practice to cover. We appreciate thirty minutes, buddy, get

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Speaker 1: out there and do your job.

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Speaker 2: I'll do it. And it's just how I like to

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Speaker 2: cover practice. I like to get that cat fun back.

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Speaker 2: And this is I find that people respect me more

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Speaker 2: when I when I give this up. All right, this

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Speaker 2: is how I'll be today. All right, appreciate you having

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Speaker 2: me

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Speaker 1: The on