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Speaker 1: slash Vikings. Hey everybody, it's Bear's Week, Week twelve. We're

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Speaker 1: heading to Chicago trying to get another win. It's a

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Speaker 1: big one because we always struggle there. We've got a

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Speaker 1: great guest this week, comedian podcaster actor Daniel Van Kirk.

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Speaker 1: You may know him from his reoccurring role on Bob's Burgers.

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Speaker 1: He's got a podcast with Rory Scovell Penn Pals. He

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Speaker 1: was on the Squar Brothers podcast Dumb Peopletown. He's got

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Speaker 1: a great special called Rose Golden. Hey, if you're in

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Speaker 1: He does a cool half improvised comedy show Overshare Comedy.

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Speaker 1: You can get all the details on his socials Instagram. Uh,

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Speaker 1: just search at Daniel Vankirk. This was a really fun one, guys,

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Speaker 1: Here, ladies and gentlemen, we are joined by the fantastic

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Speaker 1: Daniel van Kirk, diehard Bears fan. Daniel, I'm not one

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Speaker 1: of those guys who takes joy in other people's sports pain,

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Speaker 1: so that's not what I'm doing. We're coming off the

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Speaker 1: heels of another loss for you, guys, to the Packers,

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Speaker 1: and in almost comical fashion, one that I thought you

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Speaker 1: Because here's the funny. Here's the thing that I think

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Speaker 1: Packers is this ultimate rivalry, and it is to some degree.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely a rivalry. It's definitely a solid, good rivalry,

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Speaker 1: Bears Packers, Bears Packers, Like if you go on these

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Speaker 1: people's comments threads, it's like it's a different mean thing

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Speaker 3: I mean, Chicago also has that with Cubs and Cardinals,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and in their own unique ways, the reasons for

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Speaker 3: gate for anybody who doesn't know me. I'm born and

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Speaker 3: born and raised in Rochelle, Illinois, small little farmtown about

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Speaker 3: And the Packers are obviously the top of the mountain

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Speaker 3: But keep going, I would agree. But everybody wondered what

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Speaker 3: Doesn't feel very fluky, doesn't like last year had more

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Speaker 3: then it wasn't over. But that's not happening with the

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Speaker 1: No, there was this ESPN put out this thing today

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Speaker 1: to light his computer on fire when they come out

436
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 1: every year. But you get a great organization and a

437
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 1: great coach, and yeah, you're right, most of these guys,

438
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 1: unless they are. You have the one rare case with

439
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 1: Drew Brees who leaves to go to New Orleans in

440
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: that weird situation. But other than that, the only time

441
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: these guys get a second system is usually when they

442
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 1: have their late career. I'm one hundred and fifty years old,

443
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna win a Super Bowl with the Bucks

444
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,719
Speaker 1: or the Broncos or the or get an AFC Championship

445
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs. So yeah, I think I think you're

446
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: exactly right. When you see these things, it's it doesn't

447
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: to me. I guess I'll say this. I think, no

448
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: matter what, it's hard to get a like a Hall

449
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback, But when it ends up working, like

450
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: in Kansas City when Patrick Mahomes got there and it

451
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 1: worked and you went incredible organization, incredible general manager, all

452
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: time coach, super talent, like there's just no way. The

453
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: Patriots Robert Kraft learns from Eddie de Bartola on how

454
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: to treat players and run his organization. Bill Belichick is

455
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: who is Tom Brady? Like it makes sense when it

456
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: clicks down like that generally.

457
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just you know, I mean, yeah, the

458
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 3: Bears got rid of Shane Waldron and it looked like

459
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 3: the I think it was fifteen and seven carries between

460
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 3: the two running backs last week was I'm directionally correct

461
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 3: if I'm not on it, And so you saw much

462
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: more of a balanced play call.

463
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: You know.

464
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: But I think you and I sort of saw this

465
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 3: shift from superstar athletes, which we obviously has been around

466
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 3: for a long time, but I think really blew up

467
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 3: in the nineties and then in the early two thousands

468
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 3: to now like the athlete is basically the king, Like

469
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: it's a king athlete, right, And you bet that if

470
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 3: Andy Reid retires at the end of this year, which

471
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 3: I know an inclination he's going to but if he did,

472
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes is going to pick their next head coach.

473
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah.

474
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 3: And because he should. And so whatever they did to

475
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 3: make Caleb come around to being like, yeah, I want

476
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 3: to play here, or he just realized like from a

477
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 3: pr standpoint, whatever, I just got to go along with it.

478
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: They had, you know, the Bears. For anybody who know,

479
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 3: they've never fired a head coach during the season.

480
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: Ever in the history of the organizations.

481
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: Never in season fired a head coach ever.

482
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: And they should let me ask you something that I

483
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: always mean to ask Bears fans like, do you ever

484
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: think about Lobby Smith?

485
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 3: Yes, but if you go back too, I think it

486
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 3: was twenty ten or whenever they love mean, I think

487
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: he was a ten and six team his final season.

488
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: There was a complacency that had kind of fallen in

489
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: there where he was. And I am very close to

490
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 3: saying I bet that you can quote me on this.

491
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: He was saying, I wasn't ready. I didn't have the

492
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 3: guys ready to play, and it was like a big

493
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: primetime game. Oh sure, And that sort of stuff just

494
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: sort of like happened. I mean, I remember there was

495
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: a New Year's Eve game in like two thousand and

496
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 3: I think it was two thousand and seven to two

497
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 3: thousand and eight, or maybe two thousand and six to

498
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven where they played the Packers and

499
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: the Bears were already in the playoffs and they just

500
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 3: pretty much let the Packers win and they ended up

501
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 3: going on a run and I think they eliminated the

502
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: Bears in the playoffs that year.

503
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: Final that was Yeah, that was the year where they

504
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl as a wildcard team. Yeah, they

505
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: mailed that game in. I remember that game.

506
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, And in the postgame, like Rex Grossman said that

507
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 3: he was thinking about his New Year's Eve party, and

508
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 3: so there was a lot of sort of just like love.

509
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 3: He is a great coach and people loved playing for him.

510
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: But I think things that it had just run its course.

511
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: I mean, Andy Reid ran its course in Philadelphia. Sure,

512
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 3: it's sort of hard to go back to that. Is

513
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: that what they need to sort of set the benchmark

514
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 3: for and go above? Yes, one percent, but there's no

515
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: need to go back in that direction. If you told

516
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 3: me that next season they hired Dion Sanders, I would

517
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 3: be one hundred percent in favor of it.

518
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: If for no other reason, that'd be so fun.

519
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: If for no other reason that you want to talk

520
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 3: about a culture change with the Bears, you want to

521
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 3: talk about a coach who is going to handle that

522
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: front office and handle that ownership and handle the expectations

523
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 3: for that team in such a different way. Like Tony

524
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 3: Dungee gets a lot of credit for what he did

525
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: with the Colts, but he doesn't get enough credit for

526
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 3: what he did with the Buccaneers.

527
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to take anything away.

528
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: Totally agree totally. He built an entire.

529
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: He changed that entire culture down there, that entire culture

530
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 3: where you know, the buccaneer with with the dagger in

531
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: his mouth went from we're going to guaranteed win to

532
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: a cool throwback for a team that's gonna smack you

533
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 3: in the mouth. And Gruden and his problematic emails can

534
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: come in and take their Super Bowl and that's all

535
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 3: great and good. But Tony Dungee turned that organization around.

536
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: Yep.

537
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: And whether it's Dion or someone after Dion, that sort

538
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: of step in that direction, to me would be such

539
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: an indication of we are not doing things the same

540
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: anymore here, And obviously I would hope it would work.

541
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 3: I mean, he's got currently, as we record this, he's

542
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 3: got a team that everyone seems to want to lose.

543
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: I'm not in that camp, but he's got the Colorado

544
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 3: Buffalo's the sixteenth team in the nation because he seems

545
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 3: to have really maybe he isn't the best play caller

546
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 3: or like best you know, X's and O's coach in

547
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: the world, but he's got guys who want to run

548
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,959
Speaker 3: through brick walls. And I'll take some more of that

549
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 3: in Chicago.

550
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: And there's this whole thing where you know, we've become

551
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: so accustomed to assistant coaches coordinators who then become head

552
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: coaches and run one side of the ball. And if

553
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: you go back in the day a little bit, you know,

554
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee came from Minnesota, where Denny Green had Brian

555
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: Billick and Tony Dungee. And you know, I'm not saying

556
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: Denny Green wasn't involved in the offense, right, but he

557
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: had coordinators. And just as a side note, Denny Green's

558
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: my favorite coach of all time. And he didn't the

559
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: organization didn't continue on that trajectory. But he did the

560
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: same thing in Arizona.

561
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think.

562
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: He ever truly got the credit for what he did

563
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: down there, going down to a place where like no

564
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: one wanted to be.

565
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he gave us one of the greatest

566
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 3: Bears quotes of all time on that Monday night they

567
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: thought they were so great.

568
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, then, with everything you've said,

569
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: why the hell does my football team lose to your

570
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: team in Chicago every single year, no matter how we are,

571
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: how bad you are, Like, this is such an opportunity

572
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: for this team to distance itself from that vikings lore, Like,

573
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: because I think this is better than the past few

574
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: Bears team right now, past few Bears teams.

575
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 2: Ye. The ability, Yeah, and you're going to be coached

576
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: in the wrong direction or not.

577
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: And I think you need to go in and if

578
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: you give yourself a win, you know, outdoors on the road,

579
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: the way you want to control a game, I think

580
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: that's a It instills the thing in the locker room

581
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: and you can even that far of that vikings farv team.

582
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure lost to Chicago in a terrible way

583
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: against a bad team. We just never get it done.

584
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't understand what that hold is

585
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: that that city has over this organization. Are other Do

586
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: other teams struggle there like that?

587
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: Can I be like super like meathead sports radio caller

588
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: about it?

589
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: I love it?

590
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the Bears can traditionally and maybe

591
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: this this is something that comes from ownership. This is

592
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: the stuff we don't know, right, we don't walk in

593
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: these halls. But I think that they as an organization

594
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 3: and then the team itself can get up for.

595
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: Big rivalry games.

596
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: And you saw them do that for green Bay and

597
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: green Bay has an air of well, we're not going

598
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 3: to lose and I think they've won three of the

599
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: last like fourteen.

600
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: Or I'm sorry, the Bears are three and fourteen.

601
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And so they sort of have this like, well,

602
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: we're not going to lose, and so as much as

603
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: the Bears can get up for it, the Packers are

604
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: still just sort of on the top bunk. And I

605
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: think that for the Vikings, and it's at Daniel Vankirk

606
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: if anybody wants to be mean to me, but I

607
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: think for the Vikings it's a one step below of

608
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: like we should win. I hope we do, and that

609
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: a lot of times when the Bears decide to get

610
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: up for a game, it doesn't cut their way. But

611
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: I think we are on the precipice. And this goes

612
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: across our entire division of everyone knowing they can beat

613
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: the Bears unless something changes there, like I do not

614
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 3: see you guys losing this.

615
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: Don't say it, don't want it?

616
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: Now? Do you expect me to say anything else? No?

617
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: Unless I was like three more lords deep, right, But

618
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: like I don't know what team for mine is going

619
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: to show up. Ye, so if I average it out,

620
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: they're not as good as if we average out your team,

621
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: can they win? Of course they can't. They should have

622
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: won three more games this year, and could have won

623
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: one to two more on top of that had they

624
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 3: executed and or been coached appropriately. So, yeah, Bears can

625
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: win that game. Do I see that happening?

626
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: No?

627
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: And again to be a little meatthead about it without

628
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: being a championship caliber team. How many demoralizing losses can

629
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: any group of people, men, women try?

630
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: Locker rooms are weird, man?

631
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: Yes? How many can they take and keep getting up

632
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: from it? Like, ultimately, do you think, as we record

633
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: this right now, that the Chiefs care about losing against

634
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: the Bills last week?

635
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: I think they're so well built in the locker room,

636
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: they're like, that was probably the best thing that could

637
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: have happened to us. That's what I think they think.

638
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: Or you know what I said to my friend, I go, hey,

639
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: if anybody gives you a crap about the Chiefs losing, say, yeah,

640
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: we did lose. We tend to not lose the last

641
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: game of the season, though, that is the mentality, right,

642
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: And so I think, like you saw what happened after

643
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: the Commander's loss. I mean, the Bears, it looked like

644
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: they didn't even want to play and I hate getting

645
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: into that meat head level of like psyche of they've.

646
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: Given up or are you trying?

647
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: Stuff.

648
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: I hate that stuff because you and I both know

649
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: that if we took any one of our cousins or

650
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: siblings and put us in a basement in the Midwest

651
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: playing ping pong with a beer in our hand, that

652
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: there doesn't need to be anyone there for us to

653
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: care that we win. So now let's take somebody who's

654
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: achieved the level of professional sports and do not care

655
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: if you win on any level of any play ever,

656
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: you would have to be such a like diamond level

657
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: Ricky Williams type person to so I never go into

658
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: the like they don't care. But I think that you

659
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: can only have as a human panche so many tomorl

660
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: Anxing losses before you just can't get up for the game.

661
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: And you might be able to get up for in

662
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: the first quarter, but getting up for in the fourth quarter,

663
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: even in a vacuum of just that game, can be hard.

664
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: So I think the Vikings.

665
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: Deserve to win based on where people are seasons are going.

666
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: I won't be unhappy for them if they do win,

667
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: but yeah, you know, once kickoff starts I'm like, just

668
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: be a good team today.

669
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: Just be a real football team.

670
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

671
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: Today, today, you're living in a very different experience than

672
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: us because we at this I can just feel this

673
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: state going. Just be real. Please, let it be real.

674
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: Let it be real. The last question I have for you,

675
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: and it's not a good question to end on because,

676
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: as it turns out, Daniel, I'm not sure I'm great

677
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: at my job.

678
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: But it is.

679
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: It is the thing that I am most curious about

680
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: because you've talked so much about the like the organization

681
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: and how it's built and the mentality.

682
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, can I cut you off really quick?

683
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: Just because I almost forgot to say this? As you

684
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: go on, Let's keep in mind when you say organization

685
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: that this was the lamest, most boring season of hard

686
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: knocks that has ever existed across any moment of any time.

687
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: Did you realize that they never cussed? Did you realize

688
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: that because there was a mandate from the Bears, from

689
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: Virginia McCaskey, God bless her, that there should be no cussing. Now,

690
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: you tell me when you're showcasing a football team and

691
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: women athletically, men athletically co d athletically that you're intense

692
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: and serious about something, but you don't coust So how

693
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: many real moments, how many real conversations are we actually campturing?

694
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: And how much did that affect meetings? Hey, guys, whatever

695
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: you want to say here call out, you can't because

696
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: we can't cost and there's cameras like that's the organization

697
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: that isn't we're here to win, that's here. We're here

698
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 3: to do it the way we think is right. And

699
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 3: for all but one season in the mid eighties and

700
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: a couple of divisional championships and a conference championship here

701
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: and there, they don't do it right.

702
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 2: They just don't.

703
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: We're here to make sure nobody dances in this town.

704
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: So exactly, No.

705
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: I think fan bases psychologies, I don't know if that's

706
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: a plural or not, but I think they're really interesting.

707
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: And the Bears have a unique one that kind of

708
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: mirrors the Pittsburgh Steelers, and that those are the two

709
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: pre eminent defensive like vibes. And granted, these are two

710
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: of the older, more iconic franchises, so they carried that

711
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: storied history with them. But do you think there's like

712
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh it's weird where I really think they believe

713
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: we'll like we're just a blue collar city and that

714
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: that flows out of our football team. What is it

715
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: about Chicago?

716
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: What it like?

717
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: This melding of a fan base and a personality and

718
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: an organization that it almost has seemed like for the

719
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: entirety of my fan watching life, we've been like, we

720
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: just need a good linebacker. Right linebacker is football? Like

721
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: when I go to when I go to Chicago for

722
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: stand up and I talk to anybody, I just expect

723
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: them to go linebackers football like, because I don't know

724
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: that it's like obviously you go butt kiss, you go,

725
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: you got Urlacker, you go, Khalil Mack, you have all

726
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: these guys. Yeah, on and on and on. But how

727
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: much of that is happenstance? It just it fascinates me

728
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: because it's pretty interesting and unique. And I don't think

729
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: it's an accident or a coincidence that it wound up

730
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: that way.

731
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it's I think that every ownership

732
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: group has a strong suit and I think that they

733
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: impose that on to the people they hire to be

734
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: their decision makers, and then I think it's a real

735
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: thing for a city to set the tone. And I

736
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: think as comics, we can go into a city and

737
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: whether it's the person we meet at the hotel, our

738
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: uber driver, the place where you grab something to eat

739
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: and you can go, okay, this is sort of what

740
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: these people want.

741
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: This is exactly why I was asking ye. I think

742
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: you're exactly right.

743
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: And I think that that expectation extends itself to those

744
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: players in the same way that you show up right

745
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: and you walk down what I assume are numerous halls

746
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: with tons of former players, and if you're a running back,

747
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: you're being asked, can you even look at Gail Sayers

748
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: and Walter Payton? I mean, you know, just the guy

749
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: who the NFL named the Man of the Year trophy

750
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 3: after can you even get that? And so there's a

751
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: weight on there that maybe no, I'm being plenty on purpose,

752
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: I guess, makes you put more weight on the bar

753
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: in the gym because there's an expectation. And I think

754
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: that when you get to Chicago and you know that

755
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: the defense is here and what the defense has it been,

756
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: and you're that type of player, well you better bring it.

757
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: And I think if you're a quarterback on some level,

758
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: it's a blank slate. There's not a true standard there.

759
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 3: And I think the organization says, hey, we know, we

760
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: always get good linebackers, so if you hear somebody, you

761
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: bring them in. And then they're skittish about quarterbacks because

762
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: we've never really gotten that right. And is there a

763
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: one place on the dial that you can point to

764
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 3: and go that's where this is determined.

765
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: I don't think so. But is it? Is it an

766
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: amalgamation of things?

767
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, I sit there and watch a Bears

768
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: game and I'm like, all right, if we just get

769
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: a turn over here, because I feel in some ways

770
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: often games more comforted when the defense is on the

771
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: field and we're on the right, on the correct.

772
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 2: Side of the fifty.

773
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: Then I do the offense being on the field and

774
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: only to the forty two yard line of the other

775
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 3: you know, And then you're watch it on the team

776
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: and you're to see like first down, first down. For

777
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 3: some you're like, how do they make this look so easy?

778
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: So I really think it's culture. I think it's culture

779
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: in every sense. If you if you're a quarterback and

780
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 3: you are walking through Midway Airport, I mean, let's be honest,

781
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 3: you're probably flying into O hair.

782
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: But I think I think they're going O hair.

783
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're walking through O'Hair and you see somebody and

784
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: they recognize you and you're a quarterback, the attitude is like,

785
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: we need you, please, please do this for us, please.

786
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: Right.

787
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 3: And if you're a linebacker and you're a rookie or

788
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: you're a Khalil Mac and somebody comes in and they go,

789
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: you know what you're supposed to do here?

790
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: Right, that's yeah.

791
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: That is happening on micro levels all the time, in

792
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 3: both both ways.

793
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: Does it guarantee anything? No?

794
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: Is it a factor if you ask my meathead Rochelle Illinois,

795
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 3: our THHS graduate brain, Yes, it is a factor. And

796
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: I think you see those things continue. I mean you

797
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: look at it. People go oh every time Peyton Manning

798
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: got another tight end.

799
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: They were great.

800
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because if you're gonna come in after Dallas Clark,

801
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: you better hit your route. It is uncomfortable for you

802
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: not to. So the sad thing is is Bears have

803
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: an expect Bears and Bears fans have an expectation of

804
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: defensive play and they have a hope for quarterback play.

805
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: Well, I want to thank you Daniel for on behalf

806
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: of everybody who's listening for essentially, you know, making us

807
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: feel like this is gonna go well for us, only

808
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: to put us in a position that we've spent a

809
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: lot of our lives in. Uh, you know, just probably

810
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: seventeen thirteen with two and a half minute it's to play,

811
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: and Caleb Williams has the ball and we're all just

812
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: furious and nervous. I'm gonna make you do this. You're

813
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: not gonna like it. Give me a score prediction.

814
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 3: I gotta be a meathead and say twenty. Oh, that's

815
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 3: way too high for the Bears, seventeen fourteen Bears. And

816
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 3: I'm being wishful because I really think it'll probably be

817
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: ten to fourteen with the Bears having the ball and

818
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 3: two and a half minutes left.

819
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: So I was just saying, you just basically changed the

820
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: score a little bit. But you put my prediction, my

821
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: worry prediction to get together there.

822
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, in your own way.

823
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: I'd like everybody just as a reminder when you're feeling

824
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: anything on Sunday, It's like that scene in The water Boy. Yeah,

825
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they look up and the guy

826
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: looks at Kathy Bates.

827
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

828
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: I think this is the second episode in a row

829
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: read I've done that dumb bit, but uh me mentioned

830
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: his Twitter everybody. So when it's ten fourteen and has

831
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: the ball and you're nervous, hop on a hop on

832
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: old X and find your way to Daniel Vancruz.

833
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: You know what, for any if the Bears end up

834
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: winning and they'll go you know it happened whatever, I'm like, well,

835
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 3: you guys could have done a lot more with this

836
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 3: win than the Bears are gonna, so I wouldn't have

837
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: been that mad about it. The one thing I really

838
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: feel bad about the Vikings for is that this seems

839
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 3: to be coming together with an upward trajectory, whether it's

840
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: Donald and McCarthy at the same time that the Lions

841
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: are the NFL's NFC darling, and it's like.

842
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: See, we'll see, baby. I've got a weird confidence and

843
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: I never have confidence.

844
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 3: I know.

845
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: That's what's great.

846
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: I never ever have confidence.

847
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: We'll see.

848
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: I think I think there is a chance. I think

849
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: the Lions might be the best team in football, all

850
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: of football.

851
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: Uh huh. I mean there was a college score last

852
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: weekend mm hmm.

853
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: But the NFL is a one week at a time

854
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: league sure, And by the way, I think the Lions

855
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: are the least likely to falter of anybody in the

856
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: NFC right when it comes to what I'm about to say.

857
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: It's not like other teams don't feel this, but I

858
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: truly think the Lions have to prove to me an

859
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: ability to execute sound decisions in multiple playoff games before

860
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: I walk into let's say you're in an NFC championship game,

861
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: whether it's the Packers, whether it's the Vikings, whether it's

862
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: the Niners, anybody else. Yeah, if they walk into an

863
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: NFC championship game, even in Detroit, in my brain, I'm going, yeah,

864
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: Detroit's the heavy favorite here. This makes a lot of

865
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: sense to try, but I can't ignore what I've seen

866
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: so many times in so many important moments, that is

867
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: just hanging out there. What does it look like in

868
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: the third quarter when it's fourth and four from their

869
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: own forty and they should probably punt it, but they

870
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: always go for it. And if they don't get that

871
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:01,479
Speaker 1: like that, the disconnect between the line always do their

872
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: philosophy in Dan Campbell's belief structure versus what is the

873
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: actual situation where in it's kind of like the bill's

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Speaker 1: going forward on fourth and two. You go for that

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00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: no matter what as many times because it's Patrick mahomes right.

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00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: If you are looking at Daniel Jones over there, it's

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00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: a different conversation. And so that is the Lions have

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00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: to show me that and me saying this might result

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00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: in a forty point ass kicking in the playoffs, but

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00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: I would love a shot at being the team to

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00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: put them in that position.

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00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I'm with you.

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00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: Let me ask you one last question so you can

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00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 3: remove your own baggage.

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00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: Oh difficult?

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00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Day? Bears, Lions?

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00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: How badly do you think the Lions are going to

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00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: beat the Bears? Twenty points?

889
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: Now? Twenty five points?

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00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: Who do the Lions have this week?

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00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: Do we know? Do you really think it matters?

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00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: Listen to me, I do you're nuts?

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00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: No?

894
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: No, no, no, hear me, hear me out. I don't think

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00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: that has anything to do with Chicago. Agree. I think

896
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: there are two things that we are due for. We

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00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: are due for, although Golf did have the five interception

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00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: game and they survived, but we are due for a

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00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: dud from Detroit.

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00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 2: Sure, I think we're due.

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00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: There's been flashes and there's there have been moments, but

902
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: I think there's going to be a Caleb Williams game

903
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: because these people like Viking fans, other fans who are

904
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: cracking on him. You're out of your mind, I agree,

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00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: But you are out of your mind if you don't

906
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: see the special things here.

907
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 2: What he looks like.

908
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: He looks like a good rookie. I'm pretty sure Peyton

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00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: Manning is rookie here through twenty nine interceptions.

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00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: M h.

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00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 3: And you want to compare him to uh Jaden Daniels

912
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: and I'm like, don't that guy is having an insane year.

913
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: He is not the mean also way older.

914
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't see that to take anything away from Jaden.

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00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: I know it's amazing.

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00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: Do not pile on to kle the guy is a

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Speaker 2: rookie people.

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Speaker 3: I love what people are like, well, you know, we're

919
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks or they're like, we're halfway through

920
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: the season here, and I go, you mean eight games

921
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: into someone's career, Like, come on, guys, I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: he's great, but pump the brakes here. Everybody in our

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00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 3: you know, instant scratcher gratification life.

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00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: Don't be wrong.

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00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 3: I love scratchers more than scratch more than some people

926
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 3: I'm related to. I love a good scratcher, but I'm

927
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Speaker 3: just like, let's pull it back. I just don't I

928
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: think that you can agree that without seeing the line. Yet,

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00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 3: it's probably eight and a half for the Lions at

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00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 3: home on Thanksgiving, and you would wouldn't feel crazy betting it.

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Speaker 1: Come on, I hear, I'm not. I wouldn't get in

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Speaker 1: within a million miles of choosing the Bears to win

933
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: this football that football game. And I look forward to

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Speaker 1: your text on Thanksgiving. At some point Caleb Williams is

935
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Speaker 1: going to have a special game thank you, and at

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Speaker 1: some point the Lions are going to put a dot

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00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: on the field. And if those moments cross, because as

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Speaker 1: you said, the Bears rise up for and the Lions have.

939
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 2: The Colts this week.

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00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: Now, maybe the Colts beat them, maybe something weird there happens.

941
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Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just think there's a space there.

942
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: There's just a space there where something weird could happen.

943
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: Very small percentage, But I'm not gonna sit here and

944
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Speaker 1: say that the Bears are gonna lose by twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's also Thanksgiving, It's.

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Speaker 1: Also thanksgiving Daniel van Kirk. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me buddy, you're the best. Thank you everybody for

948
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Speaker 1: listening to our podcast feed while you're here. Make sure

949
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: you subscribe, you write a review, it really helps us.

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Speaker 1: Also huge shout out to ticket Master, the official ticket

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00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings, for helping make this show happen.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you all again next week.