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Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The Supreme Court strikes

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Speaker 1: down the New York gun control law. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: fastest hour in politics. As the High Court rules even

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Speaker 1: We focus this hour on gas and guns and will

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Speaker 1: be joined by Congressman Kevin Brady of Texas, ranking member

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Speaker 1: panel Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeannie Chanzano and Rick Davis will

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Speaker 1: will be discussing in a moment with Congressman Kevin Brady.

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Speaker 1: The first a six three ruling by the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: In terms of the Supreme Court ruling, first of all,

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Speaker 1: the red flag component of this law is the problem.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's not a federal red flag law. It's

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Speaker 1: incentivizing states to start their own. But what would you

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Speaker 1: tell them to assuage their concerns about what's in the language. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons that there is such

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Speaker 1: broad bipartisans support for this language is that it is

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Speaker 1: supportive of state efforts to implement red flag laws where

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Speaker 1: states see fit to implement them, and that provision, as

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Speaker 1: well as the provisions that slow down the process when

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Speaker 1: an eighteen to twenty one year old, for example, seeks

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Speaker 1: to purchase some automatic rifle, are intended to reduce risk,

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Speaker 1: imminent risk to family members, to domestic partners, to schools

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Speaker 1: and two children. When those who intend to do harm

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Speaker 1: or are suffering from acute mental illness seek access to

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Speaker 1: a firearm, potentially to um embark upon one of these

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Speaker 1: horrific UH spree killings that we see all to open

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Speaker 1: in our society. Do you worry that this Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: decision today could could make more of a challenge for

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Speaker 1: law enforcement, make more gun violence in our cities. When

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Speaker 1: you look at the states that have similar laws, it

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Speaker 1: means l A. San Francisco, Boston, New Work and so forth, Baltimore. Senator,

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Speaker 1: there are concerns by mayors in those cities that this

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Speaker 1: could and in the words of Eric Adams, create a

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Speaker 1: wild wild West kind of situation. Well, look, one of

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Speaker 1: the things that I hear consistently across the state of

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Speaker 1: Georgia is strong support from law enforcement for common sense

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Speaker 1: gun safety measures. Uh. It's our law enforcement officers who

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Speaker 1: um typically have to enter these scenarios where a suspect

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Speaker 1: or an active shooter is heavily armed, and its law

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Speaker 1: enforcement who are among the most vocal advocates for reform.

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Speaker 1: We're spending time with Senator John Austuff, Democrat from Georgia,

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Speaker 1: and there are a lot of things we don't get

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Speaker 1: to speak with you too often, Senator, that I love

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Speaker 1: to ask you about. And of course, high gas prices,

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Speaker 1: high oil prices, and the story of inflation is one

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Speaker 1: that we talk a lot about here, and I know

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Speaker 1: you do certainly on the Banking Committee in a direct

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Speaker 1: conversation yesterday with with J. Powell. Uh, it's interesting to

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Speaker 1: see what's going on here because it's been so stubborn

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Speaker 1: that that a lot of lawmakers, a lot of your colleagues,

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Speaker 1: think the White House and the FED are running out

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Speaker 1: of tools here. What do you want to see happen

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Speaker 1: with regard to high oil and gas prices that that

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Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve can't seem to impact. The White House

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Speaker 1: today is asking oil executives to pump more? Is that

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Speaker 1: the solution to this? Well as for the FED stance,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're seeing that they lacked the tools

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Speaker 1: in their toolbox. I think it's clear that they were

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Speaker 1: late to apply those tools and got behind the curve

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Speaker 1: last year while insisting that the threat was transitory UM

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Speaker 1: and are now having to play catchup and in plane

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Speaker 1: catchup having to move more swiftly, therefore having a greater

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Speaker 1: impact on market volatility. One of the questions that I

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Speaker 1: asked share Powell yesterday was his assessment of where he

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Speaker 1: may see some systemic risk or threats to financial stability

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Speaker 1: and financial markets because the FED is now moving quickly

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Speaker 1: with seventy basis point hike and potentially more to come.

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Speaker 1: What kind of major trade may unwind? What kind of

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Speaker 1: financial activity at two was sustainable but at three percent

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Speaker 1: is not? Uh, you know, we have to be wary

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Speaker 1: of where bubbles may have emerged in financial markets and

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Speaker 1: capital markets after such a prolonged period of extraordinary low

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Speaker 1: rates and a lot of bond buying on top of it.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you know they as as He's made the

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Speaker 1: point though, getting to oil and food prices. Energy and

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Speaker 1: food prices is very difficult just by hiking interest rates.

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Speaker 1: But I wonder your thoughts on tariffs as well. Should

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Speaker 1: we be dropping, for instance, China tariffs if we're trying

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Speaker 1: to do everything we can to lower inflation. I know that,

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Speaker 1: for instance, UH, you're working on reducing tariffs against the

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Speaker 1: US when it comes to Pecans an important industry in

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Speaker 1: Georgia with regard to to India tariffs, is this an

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Speaker 1: avenue Senator, we should be taking? Well, Look, I think

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Speaker 1: that the administration should be actively considering the use of

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Speaker 1: trade policy to uh stabilize the price level for products

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Speaker 1: for American consumers. And I do want to highlight and

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Speaker 1: I think it's important that there is attention to the

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Speaker 1: major breakthrough that I've made with the U. S. Trade

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Speaker 1: Representatives Office in the last twenty four hours with respect

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Speaker 1: to the barriers that India has erected to US agricultural exports.

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Speaker 1: My home state of Georgia produces one third of America's pecans,

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Speaker 1: and UH farmers in Georgia are seeking access to the

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Speaker 1: Indian market, a massive market. India has a thirty six

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Speaker 1: percent tariff on pocan imports but no domestic production. I've

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Speaker 1: raised the issue repeatedly in recent weeks with India's ambassador

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Speaker 1: to the United States. Yesterday had a very productive call

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Speaker 1: of an ambassador Byankee at the U. S. Trade Representative's Office,

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Speaker 1: and we announced this morning my office and the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration through the U S tr that we are going

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Speaker 1: to put India's pecan terraffs at the very top of

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Speaker 1: the U. S. India trade agenda. That's a significant shift

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Speaker 1: in our stance with respect to that bilateral trading relationship

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Speaker 1: and something that I'm gonna be pursuing in months to come.

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Speaker 1: All Right, you're clearly doing what you can for pecan

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Speaker 1: farmers and Georgia Senators. The White House behind that effort

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Speaker 1: is the Biden administration doing what it can well. I

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Speaker 1: was really encouraged by the confirmation from the administration today

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Speaker 1: from the U s Trade Representative, the chief trade negotiator

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Speaker 1: for the Biden administration, um that we are now going

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Speaker 1: to put India's pecan tariffs at the very top of

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Speaker 1: our trade agenda with India, and there will be upcoming

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Speaker 1: talks in July. I'm considering leading a delegation to work

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Speaker 1: toward accelerating a resolution of this victory. By no means assured,

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Speaker 1: but for farmers in my state, those thirty six percent

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Speaker 1: tariffs are a major obstacle and and so I think

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Speaker 1: it needs to be noted and represents a significant shift

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Speaker 1: in our posture with respect to that by lateral trade

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Speaker 1: relationship that now the Biden administration, the US Trade Representative

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Speaker 1: are putting Indian pecan tariffs at the very top of

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Speaker 1: our bilateral trade agenda. It's the politics of Pecans. I

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Speaker 1: hope you appreciate Senator this Yankee not calling them pecans

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Speaker 1: to embarrass you on the air today. Well, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what you need to come down and we can

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Speaker 1: do a live show in the pecan orchard. Some of

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Speaker 1: Georgia's finest products. We can talk about agricultural trade policy.

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Speaker 1: All there sounds great, we can we can want out

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Speaker 1: on the farm. Senator John Ausa, thank you, Democrat from Georgia,

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Speaker 1: weighing in unexpectedly on this special edition as it turns

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Speaker 1: out of Bloomberg Sound on the fastest hour in politics.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington will hear from the panel

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Speaker 1: coming up as we balance our twin leads today, the

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Speaker 1: Scout is ruling on guns and the White House meeting

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Speaker 1: with oil executives. We have a lot more on that

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Speaker 1: ahead as well. We'll reassemble the panel next with Rick

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Speaker 1: and Genie as we work our way through a very

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Speaker 1: busy day here in the nation's capital. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us here, uh Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano on the

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Speaker 1: politics of pecans. I think I can trust you on that,

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Speaker 1: Rick Davis, as an Alabama boy, nothing better than a

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Speaker 1: little pecan pie like well, Yankees call it pecans. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the peacans. You wouldn't even know what I was asking

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Speaker 1: you for in this particular case. Though. That's just one example.

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Speaker 1: When you when we're talking about the inflation story here

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Speaker 1: in the many tariffs that this White House is considering

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Speaker 1: right now that that could have a meaningful impact on prices. Rick. Yeah, Look,

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Speaker 1: I mean there there's a laundry list of items, especially

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Speaker 1: with China, where we have tariff's already in place that

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Speaker 1: are making consumer goods more expensive, and this administration has

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Speaker 1: it within their power uh to sort of ignore the

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Speaker 1: geopolitical consequences of why those um UH tariffs were put

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Speaker 1: in place to begin with and lower um that will

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Speaker 1: you know, have an impact on the cost of goods

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Speaker 1: coming out of China. That's a little bit different of

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Speaker 1: an issue than you know, demanding that India open up

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Speaker 1: its markets to our agriculture, which is a very good

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Speaker 1: thing to do too. But I just don't get the

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Speaker 1: impression that this administration has a comprehensive attack on inflation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we you talked earlier to Kevin Brady and

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about the oil industry, and he may

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Speaker 1: I think a very salient point. You have a bunch

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Speaker 1: of executives in your White House today and there's no

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Speaker 1: evidence that they asked them to do anything other than

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Speaker 1: can you produce more? While at the same time, the

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Speaker 1: Interior Department is limiting their access to offshore drilling, so

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Speaker 1: I honestly, uh uh struggle to understand what the administration's

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Speaker 1: postures on on inflation. The meeting today was an important one.

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Speaker 1: Ginnie will have a little more time for this later on.

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Speaker 1: But Jennifer Granholm, the Energy Secretary, we talked about it

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Speaker 1: with Kevin Brady earlier this hour, asking for more production,

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Speaker 1: for more oil, and no real conclusions to come from

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Speaker 1: that meeting. We understand it was only about an hour long.

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Speaker 1: What do you read into that? Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: mean that the fact is that I've all along criticized

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Speaker 1: the administration for going out on things like this holiday,

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Speaker 1: um and making statements. You know, the president's sort of

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Speaker 1: chastising some of these oil executives without meeting with them,

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Speaker 1: and of course you know he sends Graham Holme in

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Speaker 1: there today. Um. At the very least, if they're going

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Speaker 1: to get asked for this you know, gas holiday, they

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Speaker 1: could secure some agreement that that those costs would be

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Speaker 1: or the savings would be passed on to consumers. They

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Speaker 1: didn't do that. She has a short meeting today, So

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Speaker 1: I think the problem for the White Houses it comes

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Speaker 1: off seeming very scatter shot, like they're just throwing things

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Speaker 1: to the wind and seeing what sticks. And that's a

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Speaker 1: problem because their base and Americans as a whole want

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Speaker 1: a consistent effort to address inflation, and they want honesty

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Speaker 1: here and even his own Democratic Party pushing back on

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Speaker 1: his his latest efforts with the holidays. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: for the White House, I think this has been a

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Speaker 1: misstep in the last few days and and and you know,

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Speaker 1: I hope they're able to get back on track. And

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Speaker 1: in terms of tariffs, we've already heard that the President

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Speaker 1: is going to announce not going to announce before he

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Speaker 1: goes to the G seven um. And I think in

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Speaker 1: part that has to do with the base of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party in labor. Should the President have gone in

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Speaker 1: that meeting today, Rick, I think if I were advising

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Speaker 1: the President that I'm the last guy they're going to

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Speaker 1: ask for advice, Um, I think I would tell them

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Speaker 1: to have them into the Oval office and lock the

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Speaker 1: door and don't come out until they're planned to UH

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Speaker 1: increase production, increase refining and uh in lower gas prices.

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Speaker 1: Is that everybody in lockstep, That's what they should have done. Jeanny, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know the Democrats, we don't tend to lock people

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Speaker 1: in offices. The way, Rick David stuff. I don't know

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Speaker 1: anything about it. We don't know anything about that. We

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Speaker 1: just like our peacans. But you know, I could see

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Speaker 1: what Rick Davis is saying, So I got it. I'm

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Speaker 1: from the northeast. All right, We're gonna get back to, uh,

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Speaker 1: the gun story here, the SCOTUS ruling here. Uh, in

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Speaker 1: a special conversation that we've been looking forward to with

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Speaker 1: Adam Winkler, law professor from u c l A, who

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Speaker 1: is joining us in the middle of the flurry, about

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Speaker 1: what we should understand from this ruling, the precedent that

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Speaker 1: it's setting for other states, what legislation might emerge here.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just curious to talk with Adam, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll reassemble the panel so they can have a little

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Speaker 1: more time to weigh in on this. Professor Winkler, thanks

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Speaker 1: for being with us. A lot of folks saw this

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Speaker 1: ruling coming. Uh, now that it's here. Is Eric Adams,

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Speaker 1: the Governor of New York correct when he predicts wild

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Speaker 1: wild west in in inner cities where gun violence is

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Speaker 1: already such a problem. Well, let's hope not. I do

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Speaker 1: think that we all are going to see an increasing

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Speaker 1: number of restrictions on conceialed carry. Even in these states

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Speaker 1: where the may issue permitting has been overturned, We're going

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Speaker 1: to see states broadly define sensitive places to restrict where

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Speaker 1: people can carry guns. And I think states like New

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Speaker 1: York and California are not just going to throw up

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Speaker 1: their hands and surrender to the Supreme Court, but are

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Speaker 1: gonna try to interpret this opinion in ways that allow

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Speaker 1: them to continue to restrict concealed carry. Is it automatic

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Speaker 1: essentially that the laws in the states uh that are

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Speaker 1: at issue here, those with similar laws to the one

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Speaker 1: in New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, Hawaii, and California

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Speaker 1: will all be in the same boat. It's not automatic,

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Speaker 1: but it's all but automatic. We're going to see lawsuits

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Speaker 1: filed against the concealed cares carry policies in those states,

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Speaker 1: and those lawsuits will be successful in the long run. So, um,

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Speaker 1: we are seeing states already take up the mantle of reform,

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking about different ways to start regulating concealed carry.

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Speaker 1: The New York governor has already called for a special

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Speaker 1: session of the legislature to figure out how they can

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Speaker 1: continue to limit the number of guns on our streets.

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Speaker 1: In a concurring opinion, Justices Kavanaugh and Chief Justice Roberts

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Speaker 1: said the ruling did not prevent states from requiring handgun

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Speaker 1: owners to get a carry license. Kavanaugh said the decision

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Speaker 1: did not affect the shall issue systems. The President referred

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Speaker 1: to this todays shall issue in dozens of states that

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Speaker 1: we're talking about where licenses have to be issued to

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Speaker 1: anyone who meets set criteria. So how much will actually change, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think we're going to see the law change significantly

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Speaker 1: in the half dozen or so states like California, New York,

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Speaker 1: and Massachusetts that do require have many issue permitting systems

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Speaker 1: that give government some discretion. But I also think that

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Speaker 1: part of the importance of understanding this ruling is that

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Speaker 1: it will have a broad effect on other gun laws,

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Speaker 1: to beyond concealed carry restracts. That's what I'd like to

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Speaker 1: hear about. What are you what are you looking at? Yeah? Well,

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Speaker 1: the Court said that the only gun laws that are

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Speaker 1: constitutionally permissible are ones that were either in effect in

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Speaker 1: the seventeen or eighteen hundreds, or are sufficiently similar to

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Speaker 1: laws that were in effect in the seventeen and eighteen hundreds.

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Speaker 1: And that closes a real risk for really the entire

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Speaker 1: gun safety reform AGAINDA bands on high capacity magazines, bands

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Speaker 1: on military style rifles, even the red flag laws that

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Speaker 1: are supposed to be encouraged by the Senate Gun Bill

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Speaker 1: maybe unconstitutional. We didn't have any law like that in

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Speaker 1: the seventeen or eighteen hundreds. Uh. You mentioned this is

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Speaker 1: going to be tied up in courts for some times.

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Speaker 1: There going to be a lot of lawsuits that come

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Speaker 1: from this. What does that look like? How long could

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Speaker 1: this be tied up? We're going to see lawsuits for

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Speaker 1: years to come. You know. Opinion in two thousand and eight, Well,

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Speaker 1: what he was getting to something good there. It always

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Speaker 1: happens right when they're getting to something good. Maybe we

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Speaker 1: can reconnect with the Professor Winkler, Adam Winkler of the

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Speaker 1: u c l A Law School. Uh, somebody said his

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Speaker 1: phone needed a background check. I'm Joe Matthew and Washington.

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Speaker 1: This is the fastest hour in politics. It goes by

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Speaker 1: so fast sometimes you just wish you could get a

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Speaker 1: couple of seconds back. Why don't we take the time

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Speaker 1: we have right now take advantage of this. This has

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Speaker 1: been quite a flurry. This hour. We're just breaking all

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Speaker 1: the rules today, and I'm certainly gonna get in trouble

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Speaker 1: as soon as I'm off the air, but that that

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Speaker 1: is why we have live radio. I'm glad you're with us.

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Speaker 1: If you're showing up late here, you've missed a lot already,

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Speaker 1: and that's why I'll encourage you to subscribe to the

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Speaker 1: sound on podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Can we

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Speaker 1: get the professor back? Is he with us? We lost

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Speaker 1: the line with the Professor Adam Winkler, who was making

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Speaker 1: an important point that I really would love for him

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Speaker 1: to finish before we reassemble the panel. Rick and Jeannie

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Speaker 1: are standing by and he is with us now. Professor.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry somebody got in the way. We'll blame will

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Speaker 1: blame the telecom gods on this one, but I just

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Speaker 1: wanted you to finish your points, specifically about how this

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Speaker 1: ruling could impact other gun laws. If you could continue,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Well, the court said that only those gun

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Speaker 1: laws that were in effect in the seventeen and eighteen

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Speaker 1: hundreds are likely to be constitutionally permissible, or laws that

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Speaker 1: were sufficiently similar to those, and so it's like California,

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Speaker 1: we've got things like it's that hundreds, we have bans

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Speaker 1: on military style rifles that weren't in effect in the

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Speaker 1: eight In the seventeen and eighteen hundreds, we have bans

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Speaker 1: on high capacity magazines. UH, and those were of course

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Speaker 1: not in effect in the seventeen or eighteen hundreds. Exactly,

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Speaker 1: we didn't even have high capacity magazines. You're not going

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Speaker 1: to lead to a lot of litigation and a lot

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Speaker 1: of gun laws are going to be second guests in

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Speaker 1: the coming years. Thank you for humoring me and coming

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Speaker 1: back to finish your point. Adam Winkler, Law professor. You

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Speaker 1: see l A with us on sound on. I'm Joe,

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Speaker 1: Matthew and Washington, and we reassemble our panel with Rick

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Speaker 1: and Genie as we started off with this, and we

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Speaker 1: have tackled a few other topics along the way. Jeanie

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Speaker 1: Schanzana when Rick Davis Bloomberg Politics contributors, Rick, your thought

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Speaker 1: on this after hearing from the professor and the precedent

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Speaker 1: that's being set, Yeah, I think that his point about

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Speaker 1: the proliferational litigation around this is gonna be really overwhelming

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Speaker 1: for a lot of state courts. UH. This cracks the

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Speaker 1: door open for UH. People both on the side of

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Speaker 1: the Second Amendment and looking at opportunities now to lessen

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Speaker 1: the requirements like what he was talking about around high

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Speaker 1: capacities and red flag laws. I mean, while the United

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Speaker 1: States Senate has a biparsan bill that's gonna encourage red

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Speaker 1: flag laws, it just shows you how disconnected, uh, the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court is with what's happening in the United States Congress.

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Speaker 1: Although you heard Kevin Brady before, we heard Senator Rick

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Speaker 1: Scott as well, Rick that this has become the line

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Speaker 1: for a lot of Republicans who want to say no

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Speaker 1: to this bill, that you know what, the red flag

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Speaker 1: component is just a bridge too far, sure, and and

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Speaker 1: and states are willing to do it. And so maybe

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Speaker 1: we continue to do this patwork quilt of state laws

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Speaker 1: around these kind of red flag laws. But now we

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Speaker 1: have a Supreme Court decision that says, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: if these things weren't uh settled law back in the

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Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, and you know, maybe they're not constitutional. So again,

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Speaker 1: I mean, his point about the proliferational litigation is disappointing

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Speaker 1: because the last thing the courts need to do is

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Speaker 1: spend all their time litigating on the Second Amendment and

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Speaker 1: not worrying about putting criminals away. What's your thought on that, Jennie,

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Speaker 1: that that the red this is not even a red

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Speaker 1: flag law, it's an incentive for states to have their

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Speaker 1: own red flag laws. Where's the unconstitutional component here? What

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Speaker 1: would what would your answer be to those concerned? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, the question. I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: more questions coming out of this decision than there are answers,

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Speaker 1: because if I read the decision and I read you

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Speaker 1: know what, I found Kavanaugh's very confusing concurrence and they

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Speaker 1: those two seem to conflict. And of course Kavanaugh and

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Speaker 1: Roberts are in the majority because if you read what

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Speaker 1: Kavanaugh and Roberts say, they say, this isn't going to

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Speaker 1: impact you know, so many types of restrictions, including background checks.

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Speaker 1: Yet you listen to what the professor said, you read

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Speaker 1: Thomas's decision, and there is a huge component in there.

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Speaker 1: If anybody has a lot of time tonight about originalism

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Speaker 1: and what the professor said, which is that only laws

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Speaker 1: that were in effect or similar to those in effect

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Speaker 1: at the founding would be considered constitutionally permissible. So right there,

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Speaker 1: you have a conflict between the concurrence and the majority,

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Speaker 1: And to Rick's point, and to the professor's point, you

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Speaker 1: raise a whole host of litigation. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: for many Republicans they are saying in a restricted sense,

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Speaker 1: then the Supreme Court is just saying that you can't

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Speaker 1: have subjective requirements for gun per mid's like New York had.

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Speaker 1: That is, you know a little bit more uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: understandable to many people. But it's when you expand outside

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Speaker 1: of that that it becomes problematic, because of course background

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Speaker 1: checks are objective. Yeah. Look, this is not a legal show,

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Speaker 1: and god knows, I am not a lawyer, Rick Davis,

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Speaker 1: but it does strike me this concurring opinion. To Genie's point,

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Speaker 1: it certainly argues with the with the majority opinion, Kavanaugh

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Speaker 1: and Roberts say the ruling did not prevent states from

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Speaker 1: requiring handgun owners to get a carry license. Don't they

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Speaker 1: cancel each other out in a way, Well not really.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, what what New York was getting away

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Speaker 1: with was was having this law that says that you

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Speaker 1: may have one and that, but you had no real

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Speaker 1: subjective right. It was a subjective criteria that was left

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Speaker 1: up to government. Bureaucrats decide whether or not you could

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Speaker 1: have one or not. So and in fact, they didn't

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Speaker 1: have a law that allowed it. Um, and so what

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Speaker 1: the what the Supreme Court did, which I think is

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Speaker 1: the part that's very clear, it's I set out your criteria,

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Speaker 1: make it, make it very clear, um as part of

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Speaker 1: your regulations. We're not opposing that you do regulations around

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Speaker 1: this issue. Texas has regulations pass. The states that that

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Speaker 1: have concealed carry have regulations, and so promallgate those. It

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be left up to a state bureaucrat to decide

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Speaker 1: how the second man was gonna apply. The government in

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Speaker 1: New York and the City of New York has to

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Speaker 1: set up criteria that everyone can see and follow and

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Speaker 1: determine whether it's constitutional. Getting back to the President's response

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Speaker 1: to this earlier, this was off the script. He was

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Speaker 1: asked about it in the meeting that had to do

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Speaker 1: with green energy. This was his answer, There are the

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Speaker 1: gun laws in forty of these states are still in

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Speaker 1: place based on the decision. Not good enough. But it's

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Speaker 1: I think it's a bad decision. I think it's and

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Speaker 1: I think it's not reasoning accurately. But I'm disappointed. So

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Speaker 1: he doesn't like this obviously, Genie. But as he says,

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Speaker 1: forty states will have no change. The concern is this

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Speaker 1: half does and uh that have some pretty big cities

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Speaker 1: inside them. That's right, And and questions remain. For instance,

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Speaker 1: you know this was brought up in the ole oral

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Speaker 1: arguments in New York City in Times Square on New

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Speaker 1: Year's Eve? Are you allowed to conceal and carry a

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Speaker 1: weapon now? And of course you know a whole host

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Speaker 1: of sensitive areas like churches and government offices. You know,

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Speaker 1: some of those Thomas spoke to many he did not,

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Speaker 1: you know, for instance, sports stadiums and other things. And

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Speaker 1: you know, just on Rick's point about this subjective criteria,

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Speaker 1: you know, I am a proponent of red flag laws,

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Speaker 1: but what I'm hearing from some of my more conservative

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Speaker 1: friends is that those are also subjective to this question

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Speaker 1: of due process. Somebody has said that you are not

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Speaker 1: stable to be carrying your gun, and a judge in

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Speaker 1: that case hopefully will be making that determination based on

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Speaker 1: your background. I have conservative friends who say that that

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Speaker 1: is problematic when it comes to subjectivity. So this I think,

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Speaker 1: does I know you spoke to Portman, and you spoke

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Speaker 1: to aus of both said, this isn't going to impact

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Speaker 1: you know, what the Senate is doing. I think it

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Speaker 1: may impact what the House does on this, which would

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Speaker 1: derail the whole thing, Which would derail the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: I think you may find you you only need five

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Speaker 1: or six of them Democrats who say enough is enough.

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Speaker 1: We're not letting conservatives get away with passing a pr

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Speaker 1: bill to say they did something on Uval Day when

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Speaker 1: it's a watered down gun safety not gun control bill,

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Speaker 1: especially after this ruling. So I think we watch for that,

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Speaker 1: is you need getting warmer rick. Uh, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think that that obviously, uh, in this kind of interpretation

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Speaker 1: is going to have ramifications maybe with the red flag laws.

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Speaker 1: But but again, you know when you've properly set up

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Speaker 1: the regulations around it. I mean the point she makes about,

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Speaker 1: you know, carrying guns into sporting events and stuff. All

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Speaker 1: these states that have concealing carry that do have regulations

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Speaker 1: set up location restrictions in their state from where you

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Speaker 1: cannot bring a gun. It's not a Wild West situation.

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Speaker 1: It is a regulated situation, and so you can't bring

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Speaker 1: them within forty ft of a certain building. Schools and

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Speaker 1: government buildings. You can't bring him into you know, certain

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Speaker 1: locations of public buildings, but you can't make a city

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Speaker 1: a sensitive right. You have to be more specific, so

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Speaker 1: that won't be an option for for Mayor Eric Adams

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Speaker 1: in New York, who spoke to this again today, we

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Speaker 1: have been preparing for this decision and will continue to

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Speaker 1: do everything possible to work with our federal, state, and

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Speaker 1: local partners to protect our city. We will collaborate with

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Speaker 1: the mayor's, municipality leaders and governors and will leave no

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Speaker 1: unturned stone as we seek to undo and mitigate the

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Speaker 1: damage that we are witnessing today. A lot of lawyers

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Speaker 1: are about to make a lot of money here, genie lobbyists.

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Speaker 1: I suspect will as well. But what what can New

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Speaker 1: York do to mitigate the law in the In the

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Speaker 1: words of the mayor, you know, it's going to be difficult.

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Speaker 1: I think the legislature comes back. I think they try to,

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Speaker 1: you know, adjust to the Supreme Court has done. And

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Speaker 1: I think there are ways, examples and over forty states

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Speaker 1: to do that. But I do think there is a

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Speaker 1: real difference between you know, New York upstate and downstate.

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Speaker 1: Ten million people in New York City a gun, you know,

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Speaker 1: arrest up twenty eight percent in the last year alone.

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Speaker 1: They are fighting hard to keep crime down, and this

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Speaker 1: takes away is the feeling of many law enforcement officials

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Speaker 1: their ability to do that or at least makes it

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Speaker 1: harder for the moment. And that's what Eric Adams is

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Speaker 1: responding to. What do you think about that, Rick, in

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Speaker 1: terms of big cities like New York who are just

895
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Speaker 1: in a different world, They're they're dealing with a different reality,

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Speaker 1: uh than than states with rural areas that also have

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Speaker 1: representatives arguing about this in the capitol. No, for sure,

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Speaker 1: I think I can't even have fathom the complexities around

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Speaker 1: policing and and and and fighting crime in a city

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Speaker 1: like New York City. I would say that there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of big cities, nowhere near the size of

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Speaker 1: New York City in states that have concealed carry and

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Speaker 1: and and they've managed it. Uh. There are cities that, um,

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Speaker 1: I think, regulatorially UM have have done a good job

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Speaker 1: with this kind of UH law. So UH, New York

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Speaker 1: is gonna have certain things that they're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: do and it will be tested in the courts, I'm sure,

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that they're defenseless, and yet uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, I think it goes without saying, like

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Speaker 1: what Congressman Brady said was that the experiment of like

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Speaker 1: the eight largest crime cities in America, you know, only

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Speaker 1: one of them is in a state with a concealed carry. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean it may be oversimplification. And I and I

914
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Speaker 1: and I feel for people who have to navigate the

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Speaker 1: legal framework that the Supreme Court has just given us.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it's I don't think it's undoable.

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court's not done. Guys. Um, we're gonna get a

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Speaker 1: ruling here on Roe v. Wade that is apparently imminent.

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Speaker 1: We saw the reaction to this gun ruling today in

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Speaker 1: the media. We saw it with lawmakers in town. When

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Speaker 1: that Row decision comes down, Genie, there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of concerns about what's going to happen. There are groups

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Speaker 1: threatening all kinds of stuff. Is this this night of rage?

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Speaker 1: You might have heard about that. The White House even

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Speaker 1: acknowledged yesterday that some activists are promising if this comes

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Speaker 1: down the wrong way. Is Washington ready for this? You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure we are, and I'm not sure Washington

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Speaker 1: is I noted in the Descent. You know, Justice Brier

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Speaker 1: starts out talking about the reality the number of Americans

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Speaker 1: killed by firearms in overt thousand Americans. And what many

931
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Speaker 1: people see is they look at a decision like Bruin,

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Speaker 1: and they look at a potential decision like the Mississippi

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Speaker 1: case on abortion. Is that a Supreme Court out of touch? Again?

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Speaker 1: You read Justice Thomas's decision, he spends an inordinate amount

935
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Speaker 1: of time talking about the seventeen and eighteen hundreds in history. Now,

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Speaker 1: I love that stuff, and I love myself some James Madison,

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Speaker 1: but when you're talking about issues on the ground in reality,

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Speaker 1: it feels like they may be a bit divorced. And

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Speaker 1: that's what Brier and the dissenters tried to touch on.

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Speaker 1: And you know, so if they're gonna do what Rick

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Speaker 1: is talking about, they've got to make sure their decisions

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Speaker 1: are relevant to what people are going through and out

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Speaker 1: of touch Supreme Court becomes a Supreme Court like the

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Speaker 1: one that walked us into the Civil War and some

945
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Speaker 1: of the other low points in the Supreme Court's history,

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Speaker 1: of which there have been a few. Wow, Rick, if

947
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Speaker 1: you're preparing a lawmaker or the president for that matter. Uh,

948
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Speaker 1: what's the process here? Knowing that the Court could rule

949
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Speaker 1: on this even tomorrow. Yeah, I think actually one of

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Speaker 1: the best things that's happened is the leak. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not for leaks out of the Supreme Court, but at

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Speaker 1: least we've had some time to prepare the American public

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Speaker 1: for what is likely to be a rebuke of Roe v. Wade,

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Speaker 1: and and and and So I think the fact that

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Speaker 1: there's no transparency in this process around the Supreme Court, right,

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Speaker 1: there's no like um ability to try and prepare the

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Speaker 1: public for what comes down. And these are seismic events

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Speaker 1: in public. Let's see that affect millions, hundreds of millions

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Speaker 1: of people all at one time. Uh. So I think

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Speaker 1: that that from that perspective, we have to maintain the conversation.

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Speaker 1: We have to keep talking about what the remedies are

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Speaker 1: going to be. We have to be talking about like

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Speaker 1: how states can adjust to this. Uh. Like Professor Winkler

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Speaker 1: was saying, there, there's going to be a lot of

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Speaker 1: litigation around this, and some of it will be successful.

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Speaker 1: But from a political perspective, you're already writing that news release, correct,

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Speaker 1: You've written the speech for the Senator you're advising. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know where you're, where your member is going to

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Speaker 1: be the next day, and what that news conference is

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Speaker 1: gonna look like. Oh yeah, you've got this thing sitting

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Speaker 1: on the desk, waiting, just like the media is waiting

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Speaker 1: for all the stories that are going to roll out

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Speaker 1: of here. We know what those stories are gonna be,

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Speaker 1: We know those interviews are going to take place. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I would say it's not insignificant. I mean abortion

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Speaker 1: went from not even the top ten issues of this

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Speaker 1: election cycle to number one in many states because of

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Speaker 1: this leaked abortion ruling. Is the White House ready, Genie?

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Speaker 1: They should be ready. I'm not sure they are, but

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Speaker 1: they should be. Gene Shenzano and Rick Davis. What a conversation.

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Speaker 1: We haven't taken a breath for an hour. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: Charlie Pellett, we made our way on the fastest hour

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Speaker 1: in politics. That's gonna be one big honkin podcast. Aren't

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Speaker 1: you glad you subscribed? We'll meet you back here tomorrow.

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