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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. This is Dirk Durham here. I'm filling

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Speaker 1: in as a guest host for Jason Phelps on this

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Speaker 1: episode of Cutting the Destance podcast. We've got world champion

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Speaker 1: Colorado native Elk Hunter, Elk Collar, Jermaine Hodge, a long

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Speaker 1: time friend, just a good dude and funny man. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to have him on here and talk about something

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Speaker 1: that's on people's mind all the time, Colorado el Cutting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks Dirk for having the r. Jermain, can you tell

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Speaker 1: us a little bit, a little bit about yourself, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little bit about myself. I'm reasonably from North Carolina

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Speaker 1: and uh, I didn't move out to Colorado into two

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Speaker 1: thousand five. Kind of going back. I came into Army

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and four and then I got the

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Speaker 1: chance to make the world Class Athlete program for the Army,

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Speaker 1: and um, once I did and I made the team,

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Speaker 1: I got stationed out here in Colorado because once again,

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Speaker 1: you know, Olympic training centers here and most of all

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Speaker 1: the athletes trained here for particular sports anyways, wrestling being

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Speaker 1: one of them. And then when I came out in

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Speaker 1: two thousand five, UM, some of my team members were

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Speaker 1: elk um and I missed that first draw. And then

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Speaker 1: I started hunting elk in two thousand and six. But

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Speaker 1: my journey wasn't uh, it wasn't as good as you

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Speaker 1: think it is. I mean, you know, you go, you

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Speaker 1: go through that first season and it's it's always a struggle.

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Speaker 1: But I was fortunate enough to kill my first self

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, and I've just been uh,

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Speaker 1: I've been on a rolls ever since. But self taught

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Speaker 1: how to call myself and watched a bunch of videos

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Speaker 1: and here we are. I'm on the phone right now

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Speaker 1: with their home the Bugler. So um, I've been I've

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Speaker 1: now I'm teaching what I've learned promote you know, all

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Speaker 1: year and year out. So that's just a little bit

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Speaker 1: about myself. I'll go into a long story, but it

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Speaker 1: would be a deep point. I won't I won't side

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Speaker 1: on like, Okay, you mentioned um your job a little bit.

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Speaker 1: What's your job and what took you there. Um you

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Speaker 1: said wrestling. Um, how did how's wrestling incorporate to the army? Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: you know, back back way before my time, they they

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Speaker 1: found the value of awarding soldiers the opportunity to make

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Speaker 1: and bring home in Olympic medals. So back in two

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Speaker 1: And while I was over there, I wrestled in two

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Speaker 1: different tournaments and the Athletic Athletic director was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: But that's a sister program called All Army and um,

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Speaker 1: But I've never really like done that job outside of

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Speaker 1: I've said it before, like elk hunting will change your life, right,

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Speaker 1: Like it's such a such a cool opportunity be able

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Speaker 1: A lot of people go there. Um, but I think

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Speaker 1: this particularly, um, but there's a very thin line. We

428
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: also have to understand that, you know, it's public playing.

429
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: This person's bought the tag. I bought the tag. Where

430
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: we're you know, hunting impro uh close proximity of the

431
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: same area. Maybe I got there before he did, or

432
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: or he got there before I did. Um. I try

433
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: to take it as as this is. If we pull

434
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: up to a trailhead and I see one other vehicle there,

435
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: it's a chance that that might be a hunter, not

436
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: a hiker, not a Backpacker's a chance that that might

437
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: be a hunter. And as I'm working my way through

438
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: the you know, the terrain that I want to work

439
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: or the area that I want to work, and I

440
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: pick up I pick up the notion that hey, there's

441
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: a there's a hunter up there on that ridge not

442
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: too far from us. I usually tend to turn around

443
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,479
Speaker 1: and kind of go to opposite direction then where that

444
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: particular hunter is. Um if he's in the direction where

445
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm heading, I'll try to take a uh longer path

446
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: around that particular person to get where I'm going. But

447
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: I also know that some of units are very small

448
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: and you're gonna run into people. But I think the

449
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: right answer for anybody is just showing a little bit

450
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: of respect out there, because if if I end up

451
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: working a bull and you hear me, when you hear

452
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 1: that bull, it's probably a chance that you don't know

453
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: it's me up there, because as we said before, I

454
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: practice a sound like an elk, and there there might

455
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: be a chance that he's working in not knowing at

456
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: all that I'm up there, right, and then we would

457
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: kind of run into each other. But most of the

458
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: nine of the people that I've run into are super

459
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: nice and super respectful. Man, I didn't know you was

460
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: in there. Sorry, I messed up your your stuff, No

461
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: big deal. You know it's it's a it's a public

462
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: land and we're hunting the same areas. And and you

463
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 1: know now that I know what he's driving, because I'm

464
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: gonna asking, hey, what are you driving, so I could

465
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: stay away from that area that he's working. But I

466
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: think it. I think that as hunters, we owe each

467
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: other the respect to kind of give each other our

468
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: space because there's lots of I mean for Colorado for example,

469
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: there's lots of land out here that's um that's uh,

470
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, over the counter land, whether it's public land, uh,

471
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: whether it's b A L M and stuff that you

472
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: can hunt. And I think we owe it to each

473
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: other to kind of uh guard our way, to avoid

474
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: each other, and believe it or not, when you do that,

475
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: you find yourself called the more el kinnois. So that

476
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: hunter might be bumping the elk into another ridge. You

477
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: go check that other ridge, no hunters back there, and

478
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: you called it the elk. So I think, as as

479
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: hunt as, we owe it to each other to kind

480
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: of kind of just show that respect. Yeah, I agree.

481
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: I think I think sometimes people get caught up being

482
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: so competitive. You know, every everybody wants to get that elk,

483
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, a elk or whatever they've they've they've put

484
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: invested a lot of time, they've invested energy, they've invested

485
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: money to get there. And I think sometimes, you know,

486
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: emotions will let um. Sometimes some folks will let their

487
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: emotions run wild and be like they're gonna do whatever

488
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: it takes to get that bull, you know, by illegal means.

489
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, sometimes that could it could be a little

490
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: tricky situation with another hunter. And and I always like

491
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: to say, you know, let's let's follow the golden rule,

492
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, doing to others as they would do unto you. Right, Um,

493
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: if I don't want, you know, I don't feel like

494
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: I want some other hunter climbing up on me whenever

495
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a bull, I'm I'm definitely not gonna,

496
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: you know, intrude into somebody other's someone else's hunting. And

497
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: if I were to do that, I would definitely feel

498
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: bad about it. And if I saw him, I'd say, man,

499
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry. So but I think I agree. I

500
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: think majority of the people out there are trying to

501
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: do it right. They're they're trying to to um to

502
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: go out and have a good time and connect and

503
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: kind of get away far away from many mankind as

504
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: they can. You know, I think that's what they're there for.

505
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: So that's good. Um. Yeah, I quick story last year season,

506
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: I was hunting particular area and I've known this area

507
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: for a while and I've known that not many people

508
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: go in this area. Well, as I'm hunting this area,

509
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 1: I got a few bulls to respond, and I know

510
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: legitimately that these are bulls, and I'm working on and

511
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: as I'm working them, you know, they kind of got

512
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: quiet on me a little bit. And I didn't understand

513
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: why they got quiet because everything was perfect in for

514
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: my scenario. But about twenty minutes later, as I'm trying

515
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: to get these bulls to respond, I look up and

516
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: I see these two hunters snooping in on me, and

517
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: so I waved that. I waved at him, and the

518
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: guy comes that. We kind of run into each other

519
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: and I said, he said, man, you sound amazing. We

520
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: we really thought that you were the bull. And I said, well, um,

521
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: was a couple of bulls up here, and lo and behold,

522
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: I figured out the whole picture of what was going on.

523
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: The wind was great for us. The wind was horrible

524
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: for them. And then when they started working into both

525
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: of me and the other bulls, the wind was horrible.

526
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: And that I think that that those elp smelled them.

527
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: And that's the only thing I could pointed to because

528
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: of where they came from and where these bulls were

529
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 1: so um. But now that I knew that they were

530
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: hunting back there in that area, I pulled out of

531
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: that area. I didn't go back in that area for

532
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: five or six days. I just wanted to let them

533
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: have what they were gonna have in that area. And uh,

534
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: I didn't come back in there until five or six

535
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: days later. But come to find out, they were locals

536
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: and they pretty much had that area lockdown with trail

537
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: cameras and some other areas. And I thought they you know,

538
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: when when we got back in there towards the end

539
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: of season, I thought they were gone. And lo and

540
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: behold they they they were still in there work in

541
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: those same group elk Or. What I did is I

542
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: ran into him again. I said, Okay, I'm not coming

543
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: back here in this particular area again. What I'm gonna

544
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: do is I'm gonna check the next ridge over because

545
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: if they've been hunting in that area for that long.

546
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: They pushed these elk to another ridge and lo and

547
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: behold they did, and we found it very successful. When

548
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: we went over the next ridge, we were calling in

549
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: to huns of bulls and those were the same bulls

550
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: that they had on those trail cameras. Man. That's all,

551
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, just just showing a little bit of respect.

552
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: I know, if they wanted to hunt that area, then

553
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: I'll let him have it, because I'll go check some

554
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: other areas. Yep. That's that's the thing. You know. There's

555
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: just so much, so much ground out there. You know,

556
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: I think everybody, you know, there's there's room for everybody,

557
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: especially if everybody just kind of goes the wrong way

558
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: and and have and it just it turns out to

559
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: be a better hunt man anyway. So now that's awesome. Yeah,

560
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about hunting partners a little bit. So hunting partners,

561
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: a person kind of gets pretty good friends, pretty tight

562
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: with hunting partner, and sometimes it can be a disaster

563
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: and sometimes it can be you become brothers, right, and um,

564
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: what do you think sets that apart? What? What what's

565
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: been your experience to have you have a successful relationship

566
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: with the hunting partner. Well, you know, I've hunted with

567
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: I've been fortunate enough to hunt with lots of people

568
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: throughout my elk hunting adventures, and UM, I found that,

569
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm very selective on a personal side, I'm

570
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: very selective of you know who. I try to go

571
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: out to the woods, woods, and and um, and I've

572
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: got to understand that my hunting style is not gonna

573
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: jail with everybody, and and and they're hunting style, so um,

574
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: you know I had to I had the fortunate opportunity

575
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: to hunt with a good prin last year, and his

576
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: hunting style was way more relaxed in mind. And I'm

577
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: a go getter. I'm I'm very aggressive and and and

578
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: I tried to pick the hunting partners that are gonna

579
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: last a long time with me, that their style is

580
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: very similar to my style. And we have some of

581
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: the same goals that we want to achieve, not just

582
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: coming out here to harvest and elk, but um maybe

583
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: possibly checking out new areas or whatever the kids may be.

584
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: But it's a lifestyle. And if my hunting partner can

585
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: live that lifestyle for three, six or five like I do,

586
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: we live and we wake up and we think about

587
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: wake up thinking about the next adventure, and we wake

588
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: up thinking about, man, I gotta get on the phone

589
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: my buddy and see if he's thinking the same thing.

590
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 1: And I was just thinking that same thing. So I think,

591
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think hunting partners are built through friendship,

592
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: and when you have a good friend that hunts um,

593
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: I think you will find that you guys have the

594
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: same beliefs and in the same goals at the very end.

595
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: So for me, I'm very selective when it comes to

596
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: hunting partners. I give everybody a try, just like I'll

597
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: try any kind of food, but doesn't mean I'm gonna

598
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 1: eat that food again. I might be like, hey, that

599
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: that that sabi was nasty. I'm not doing that anymore.

600
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: So so I think for me it I love actually

601
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: hunting with a partner because I like sharing sharing the

602
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: same passion with somebody, and it it puts a really,

603
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: really big smile on my face when I can call

604
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: lean a for my partner and see his eyes light

605
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: up like he's a kid. That's awesome to me. I'm like, dude,

606
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: that was a great encounter. That was awesome. But I

607
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: also hold Uh, I hold my my hunting partners that

608
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: have been with me for a while, I hold him

609
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: at a very high standard, and I'll let him know

610
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: the heartbeat. Man you slipped? Oh man? So um, I

611
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: get this question a lot of talking to people and

612
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: they say, um, what if your hunting partners not working out?

613
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: How do you break up? How do you let's say,

614
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: you know and just say well, sometimes, you know, if

615
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: it's just not driving, just you don't have to. You

616
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: have to cut the court at some point. But you know,

617
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: it's family. You know, it's my my brother in law,

618
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: or it's my my uncle or whatever. You know. He

619
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: wants to set in camp and drink beer all the time,

620
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: and I want to go hike up and down the

621
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: mountains and chase bugles. And you know what happens when

622
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: you have you've either drifted away or you've put all

623
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: some effort into, you know, getting this hunting partner, and

624
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: in the end it turns out, you know, guys aren't

625
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: driving real good. How would you approach like giving them

626
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: the ultimatum like, hey, let's we're gonna either hunt like

627
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: this or maybe we can't hunt anymore. How would you

628
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: how would you do that? Well, I've run into that

629
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: in my past. Um, but you can call me ruthless.

630
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: I guess you can call me ruthless. I guess a

631
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: lot of people do call My wife definitely calls the ruthless.

632
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: You're ruthless mean and I'm like, nah, this goes the

633
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: same goals as mine, and uh so I will say this.

634
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: It's a very thing line. You have a family member

635
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: and I've talked to somebody in the past about this.

636
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: You have a family member that who wants to go

637
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: hunting with you. They they they'll go hunting with you

638
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: every year. And they refused to learn how to call

639
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: the milk. They refused to work count, they refused you this. Well,

640
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: it's okay that we go to camp and we hang out,

641
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: but you know, at the very end of this, I'm

642
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: gonna go this way. You can go whatever way you

643
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: want to. Doesn't mean I can't share a camp with you.

644
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: It just means I might be hiking further than you

645
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: can go and get in there a little bit different. Um,

646
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: But know that there's if that's a weight that's holding

647
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: you down year in and year out, and that might

648
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: be the turning point of you being successful and not

649
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: being successful, you have to cut those ties. You have to,

650
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: and I'm a firm believer of of letting that person know, Hey, listen,

651
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: this year, I'm gonna do things a little differently and

652
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: then explain yourself and whether they like it or not.

653
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: This man, we've been doing this for ten years. You

654
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: refused to work out, you refused to learn how to call.

655
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: We go out here ten years straight and we haven't

656
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: killed a nail kit. Uh, there's an issue here, and

657
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm doing every thing in my power to be successful.

658
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: So there's a real thing line there. I mean, I

659
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: guess as a as a family member, you don't want

660
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: to hurt their feelings. But at the same time, Um,

661
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: at the very end of this, you do what's best

662
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: for you in your tag. Right If if you feel

663
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: like this partner is not cutting the weight and you

664
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: have the tag, then you do what's best for you

665
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: and your tag, and you have to put yourself above

666
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: the others. It's almost a selfish thing. You almost have

667
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: to be a little a little selfish when it comes

668
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: to being successful out in the elk woods. Now it

669
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: comes back down to where I was talking about choosing

670
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: your partners and choosing them right. If you've done that

671
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: at the very beginning, you wouldn't find yourself in this

672
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: this this particular moment. And if you've been hunting together

673
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: for a long time, then you just need to have

674
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: that little talk with with your hunting partner. Hey, I

675
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: need you to start getting in shape, buddy, not just

676
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: for elk season, but maybe for your health, for for longevity.

677
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: And then you know, those little talks resonate and and

678
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: if you if you don't, if you don't open your

679
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: mouth and open clothed mouth doesn't get fed, and you'll

680
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: get the same results you in a year out. Yeah,

681
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. I feel like, um,

682
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: one successful way. Let's say you're you're you're thinking about

683
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: bringing on a new hunting partner. I think communications super

684
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: important in the beginning. These are my goals, This is

685
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: what I want out of hunting, This is the experience.

686
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: I want to see how to l hunting right, I

687
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: want to do I want to do it this way.

688
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: And what are your goals? You know, compare goals, compare notes,

689
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: if if notes and goals and can compare if they're comparable. Um, yeah,

690
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: let's let's see how this goes. And then putting in

691
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: the offseason work like you said, scouting home, you know, ea,

692
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: scouting working out. You know, if they're working just as

693
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: hard as you in the off season to figure out

694
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: elk hunting and they're trying to, um be successful, that's

695
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: another good that's another good quality for a good partner, right, um,

696
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: And then I love what you said about you know, Hey,

697
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'll share a camp with you. But you know,

698
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: we obviously have two different kind of mindsets on on

699
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: how we want to hunt together. So tell you what,

700
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do what I like to do. You

701
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: go do what you like to do. And hey, you

702
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: know what, if you get one, I'll come help you

703
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: pack it out. And if I get one, well, if

704
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: you want come help me pack it out or whatever.

705
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: But I feel like there's there's, uh, there's a good

706
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: option there for you know, not completely ending a friendship.

707
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: But you know, um, because you know, there's I think

708
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of friendships that have been that

709
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: have actually ended over over over hunting camps and and

710
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: uh and some you know, maybe that's better. You know,

711
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: you're you're better off that way anyway. But but yeah,

712
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: it's it's tough to find a good hunting partner that

713
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: that you jive on all levels. Um, and I think too,

714
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: it's important to find that person that that they're gonna

715
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: work so just as hard in the field for you

716
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: to get your tag tag filled as they want to

717
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: fill their own, if not more like like I want

718
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: if I go hunt with Germaine, I want Germaine to

719
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: kill an elk more than I want to kill an elk.

720
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: I almost feel like that's like the ultimate gift you

721
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: can give someone is to call in a bull for

722
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: him and help him succeed get a bull. I feel

723
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: like that's like the ultimate gift to give, right, And

724
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: they say giving is better than receiving. Right. But on

725
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: the flip side, if I do that for you, then

726
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna see that and you're gonna want to reciprocate.

727
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna be like, man, he worked hard for me

728
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: to get that. I really want to pay back that favor.

729
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: And it's just it's just good business, right. I mean,

730
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: I'll give you a quick story. Um, last year, before

731
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: season even started, you know, I have a good, a

732
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: good hunting partner of mine that we've been hunting for

733
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: years together. And UM, I told him what my goals

734
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: were communication part of it, and I told him, I said,

735
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: I need to know that are you willing to do this,

736
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: because if you're not, then I'm gonna bring in somebody

737
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: else that's willing to do this. And it wasn't that

738
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: I was cutting ties. I was just making sure that

739
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: we were gonna be chilling the whole season because I'm

740
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: not gonna have you mad at me because I'm trying

741
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: to do this and you're not really trying to do that. Well,

742
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: a long story short, he told me this. He said,

743
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: I'm not carrying my boat until we get this goal done.

744
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, well I'm gonna hold you to that,

745
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, and he didn't once carry his I told him,

746
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: I said, as soon as I'm done, I promise you

747
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: I will call you in it. Because he didn't. He

748
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: didn't wanted to. He wanted to shoot anything, right, He'll

749
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: shoot anything as long as it was lingal He'll shoot anything.

750
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: And I said, I promise you I'll returned that. And

751
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: sure enough, because I say this, what this was the

752
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: first year that anyone has called in an ELK for me, anyone,

753
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: And that was a super a super happy moment. To

754
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: see it at its at its fart as anyways, and

755
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: then after we were done, we went back in and

756
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: I called in a giant for him in return. So

757
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: it works out just like that. But you have to

758
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: communicate at the very beginning and let them know, Hey,

759
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: these are the goals. Um, are you willing to do this?

760
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: And and sure enough, once you find that partner, don't

761
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: ever let go. Always keep that that bond, keep that

762
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: bond with them. Yeah, I love it, I love it.

763
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: Those are some great insights, Germaine. So what's up for?

764
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: What does your schedule look like? Are you are you?

765
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: Are you ell counting? Are you gonna help count this year? Oh?

766
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: That's what That's not even a question, is it? Okay?

767
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: So are you are you gonna um chase Elk in

768
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: your homestead of Colorado? Youre gonna venture out at all? Yeah? So, um,

769
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think I got a couple of different

770
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: things going on. Um first and foremost, I burned up

771
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: my points last year. Uh in this particular unit that UM,

772
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: I love. I love this unit a lot, and I know,

773
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's always an opportunity to kill some some

774
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: very I say, big bulls for Colorado, big bulls three thirty,

775
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of big bulls that are well

776
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: over three sixty and you know even better. So in

777
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: this particular unit, I burned up my points. So this year,

778
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going to draw that unit. But there's some

779
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: opportunities on the second draw in a re issue list

780
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: and then put for the listeners that don't know that

781
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: re issue lists is huge. There's a lot of opportunities

782
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: where let's say they're down, you know, got a tag

783
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: and he can't make it to Colorado, and he got

784
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: a primo tag and he spent maybe you know, five

785
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: points or six points on this tag. Well, they give

786
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: the opportunity back to the public, right so if they

787
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: go let's let's say that that in that list, if

788
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: the tag is worth over five points, they go to

789
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: the next in line. If they refused that tag, they

790
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: go down like four or five people. If they refuse

791
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: that tag, it gets put on the reissue list. And

792
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: this year I've seen well over probably ten units that

793
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: were on that reissue list that were well over eight

794
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: to ten point tags. So there's a lot of opportunity

795
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: on that re issue list. So what I'm gonna do

796
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: is I'm gonna put in for my point as usual,

797
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: and then I'm don't play that that second draw and

798
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: that reissue list, and I'm gonna play that re issue

799
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: list from the very beginning of August to the end

800
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: of August. So that gives me four weeks on that

801
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: reissue list, and if I can land a tag within

802
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: that reissue list, then I'll hunt some of those premier units.

803
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: If I can't get at tagged by the end of

804
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: August or the beginning of September, then I'm gonna just

805
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: go grab it over over the Counter tag and go

806
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: slive one and over the County unit, which is probably

807
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: not gonna be a issue anyways. Like I said, it's

808
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of elk in Colorado. So um,

809
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: that's gonna be my Colorado plan for sure. Um, rebuild

810
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: rebuild points, play the second and reissue list, and then

811
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: once I rebuild build points, then I'll have enough to

812
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: draw maybe another premier unit like I did uh last year.

813
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: If if by some chance I have to hunt over

814
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: the Counter unit, I'll probably be somewhere to northwest Colorado.

815
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: We're not sure exactly what unit, quite I have a

816
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: lot of many in sight that I've heard it before

817
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: or or I've had friends hunting before, so I'm probably

818
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: gonna be up there in that northwest territory of Colorado.

819
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: UM that that's my Colorado plan. Of course, I always

820
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: put in for all the different kind of species, but

821
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: we'll just concentrate on the elk. I am putting in

822
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: for a go tag this year for sure, Mountain Goat,

823
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: because the office is super good. I looked at this

824
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, Wow, there's a lot of people

825
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: getting these tags with like three points or four points,

826
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: so once you get past that three point, it's all

827
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: random anyways. UM. But I am going to venture out

828
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: of state this year if I can draw the tag,

829
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: which we all know that it's hard to draw tags

830
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: out of state UM as a non resident. So I'm

831
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: going to put my name in the hat for a

832
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: New Mexico tag. UM. I'm gonna try to link up

833
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: with a outfit or use their code and possibly get

834
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: in UH and extra ten percent is to draw that tag.

835
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: But it's not gonna be my a plan by no means. UM.

836
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: And then I'll continue to put in points for Montana.

837
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: I'll continue to put points for um Wyoming because I'm

838
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: not quite ready. I'm waiting because I just dropped my

839
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: retirement paperwork, and I think it would be more feasible

840
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: once I retire to tackle you know, two or three states. Um,

841
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: I'll have the time to do that, versus you know,

842
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: I have to stay close because if work does call,

843
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: then I have to go back and check in or

844
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: take care of some some stuff. It usually it's rare

845
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: that it happens, but if if they did call, I

846
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: would have to come back down the mountain and and

847
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: take care of something if if it needs to be done.

848
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: So I think once my you know, next year, when

849
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: next year hits and I'm fully retired, I'll be able

850
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: to tackle more than once one state. So I'm gonna

851
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: just put my name in a hat for New Mexico

852
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: pastrat in Colorado is my plan. And uh, if New

853
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: Masico hits and I get it tagged down there, I'll

854
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: play both fields right on. That sounds like a pretty

855
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: good plan, pretty good plan um for me. You know,

856
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure it out. You know, you know,

857
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm an Idaho resident, so definitely get an Idaho tag

858
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: Um looking at some new country this year? Um, so

859
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: who knows I'm gonna I'm gonna cast a wide net

860
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: and see what I pick up. We'll see where I'm going.

861
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know yet, but I have

862
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: an idea of where I'm gonna start. But but once

863
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: summer hits and um, you know, I got it, had

864
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: ankle surgery, So my summer I'm not gonna be able

865
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: to do much at all till probably June July, for

866
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: for hiking wise, So man, I got a lot of

867
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: work to do in June, July and August. So but

868
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: a lot of the snows and mountain snows are are

869
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: not always gone in any earlier than that in Idaho anyway,

870
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: So um, you can't really get into a lot of

871
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: places until at the end of June. So m but

872
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: definitely gonna got my my intentions on applying out of state,

873
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, whether building points or applying for a tag.

874
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: But we'll see my option. I ain't keeping my options

875
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: open still. I mean, it's still a little bit early

876
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: to try to make it formulate a plan perfectly. But

877
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: but we'll see how everything kind of turns out. You know,

878
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: once once, once the tags start hitting the hitting the ground.

879
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I know, I uh I knew when Idaho, uh,

880
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: when they started and they opened up the tag allocation

881
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: and and uh draw, and I knew it was going

882
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: to be a nightmare. And then I heard later that

883
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: it was just absolutely bonkers. Um, so I'm not quite

884
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 1: ready for Idaho for that only reason. Um, I would

885
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: love to get out and hunt Idaho, but we got

886
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: to get a better system before I can get on.

887
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: Because if I get on there and and I'm number

888
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 1: forty thousand in line and in your chance of getting

889
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: a tag or very sleem anyway, So for non resident anyway,

890
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: So for for that reason only, I'm not gonna bite

891
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: that apple. You know, I'll get on my soapbox a

892
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: little bit on that, you know. Um God, there's gotta

893
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: be a better way, because geez Louise whenever during that time.

894
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: So for our listeners who don't know how the Idaho

895
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: non resident um acquiring a tag for over the counter

896
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: type units, It's almost like a lottery drawing, but not

897
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: really right. So you log into the website before you know,

898
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes before ten o'clock, let's say the tag is

899
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: go and sail at ten, you lug in, You get

900
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: in a virtual waiting line, and it don't matter if

901
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: you're the first guy there or somebody that you get

902
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: this random number, so you never know if you're gonna

903
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: get your tag or not. So let's say, uh, German

904
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: and I both are non residents, and we want to

905
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: go to Hunt, Idaho together, so we both get online

906
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: at our at our homes and okay, we're get in

907
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: the virtual wedding line. I'm number fifty six and your

908
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: your number fifty six thousand. Chances of you and meeting

909
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: l Hunt together are slim and not. I it's a

910
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: flawed system. It's there's got to be a better way

911
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: to do it. And I don't know, I feel like

912
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: they thought it would be more user friendly, maybe a

913
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: little uh more fair. I don't know what they the

914
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: Idaho fishing game or thinking on it, but I'm hoping

915
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: and I don't know anything, but I'm hoping they're like

916
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: looking to revamp that. And you know, why can't they

917
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: do it drawing? I mean, like every other state, you know,

918
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: it sucks to have to draw, but it's it's proven

919
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: now in the last I don't know, a couple three

920
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: years now, there's a big demand for tags and it's

921
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: not their system they're doing now is not get any better.

922
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: So maybe they should just go to a drawing, random

923
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: drawing for those nonresident tags. That way, you and I

924
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: can put in a together as a party, and if

925
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: one of us draw tag, we both get it and

926
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: we both get to go. Because the way it is now,

927
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: it's just it's very hard for friends or family members

928
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: to hunt together as a non resident, right, So I

929
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: totally agree with you. Like so we we kind of

930
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: flashed back a little bit. I remember it was during

931
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: the covid era and everybody thought that you know, for me,

932
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: I had the mind frame that everybody and their mom

933
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: was gonna be out here. And it came out and

934
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: it was true. It was six hundred and sixty thousand applicants,

935
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: six sixty for Colorado. That's incredible, so so so now

936
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: imagine now imagine that if we had the Idaho system

937
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: where everybody logged in at the same time and you

938
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: got a random number. Now imagine six hundred and sixty

939
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: thou people trying to log in under one system. It's

940
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: gonna crash. It's gonna crash. It's gonna crash big time.

941
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: So I think Idaho definitely for that aspect of it.

942
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: Their system is way overloaded and it's outdated compared to

943
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: some of the other states. Now I do agree with you.

944
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: You know, you allocate so many tags. Just put it

945
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: in as a draw. You don't have to be point based,

946
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: but just put it in as a draw and it

947
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: could be randomized and then and then you can come

948
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: up with a system later on like they have now

949
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: where they go in first come, first serve. These are

950
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: the tags that's left over, first come, first serve kind

951
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because they'll they'll be tags

952
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: and get turned back, you know, so like within the

953
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: first period, within the first week of those tags going

954
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: on sale, I don't I'm not sure if there was

955
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: any ELK tags left. I know they sold really wick right,

956
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: But I feel like you and this this kind of

957
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: creates a panic buy in my opinion too. So people

958
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: get on there and they're like, well, gee wiz, I've

959
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: waited six hours in this line and the tag I

960
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: wanted I can't get, so, um, well, what is what's left? Oh,

961
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get one of those and they'll pick a

962
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: unit that's just like, well, there's a tag that I'm

963
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: gonna buy. This tag so then they buy a tag

964
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: that on a unit they don't know anything about. You

965
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: see it on social media a lot folks are like, Hey,

966
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: this is only tag I could get. I don't know

967
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: anything about it. Does anybody know anything about this unit?

968
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: But uh so, if they can't find out enough positives

969
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: about that tag, possible, I could see them possibly turning

970
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 1: that tag back in right, and then it goes back

971
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: and then you know, people are just delayed further and

972
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: further out trying to acquire that tag. But I feel like,

973
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, you have your lot of amounts for each unit,

974
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: um let people apply for him and you can kind

975
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 1: of bank on it and if you drive it great,

976
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: If you don't, well great, you know, and then at

977
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: a certain point there'll be tags to go back. Anyway,

978
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: But I feel like the experience and the opportunity for

979
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: people to get the tag they want would be a

980
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: little better. So anyway, I don't know. I uh, I

981
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: definitely like like the way you know New Mexico does

982
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: their system. Yeah, it's so randomized, it's perfect. You know,

983
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: I don't need no points. I have a good, good

984
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: enough chance as anybody else to get this particular tag.

985
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: So it's random and then then Colorado for example, you

986
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: know you could as a non resident, you could have

987
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: Twinkies something points trying to get a premier unit and

988
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: not get it. It's crazy. So I definitely see some

989
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: changes coming to Colorado. I don't I don't know that

990
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen anytime soon, but it's definitely some changes

991
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: come to Colorado, that's for sure, and it's gonna be

992
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: hard for people to adjust to that because, um, I

993
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: just don't see in near future, and I don't know

994
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: when the near future is it. I don't see them

995
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: continuing with the over the counter tags anymore. I just

996
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: see it coming, and uh, being that I'm here and

997
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: you hear a lot, I could definitely see some changes coming.

998
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: So that's gonna put up. That's gonna put a big

999
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: gamper on a lot of people that's trying to come

1000
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: to Colorado because now you're gonna have to particularly pick

1001
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,479
Speaker 1: a unit, and if you don't know anything about that unit,

1002
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of tags turned back in. Um.

1003
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: I see that same thing on social media, like I

1004
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: true this unit, it's the only tag I can get,

1005
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: and everybody's like turn the tag back in is a

1006
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: waste of time. It's pretty funny. Yeah, well man, thanks

1007
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: a lot for coming on the show today. I appreciate it.

1008
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: It's always good to catch up with you, and I

1009
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: always enjoy our talks and uh man, good luck this fault.

1010
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: Tell her listeners, Um, where can they find Jermaine Hodge? Okay, Yeah,

1011
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm usually on Instagram daily and all my posts usually

1012
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: go from Instagram. I just tagged it right into Facebook.

1013
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm rarely on Facebook anymore because just so much going

1014
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: on in Facebook it's hard for me to keep up.

1015
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: But you can find me at uh Jermaine Hodge Underscore

1016
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: Colorado on Instagram, and then you can also find my

1017
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: uh my little page is called Colorado High Up two Hunters.

1018
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: It's not much there, but you know, it's baby steps

1019
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: of course. And then you can always google me. I mean,

1020
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: searched me on Facebook as Jermaine Hodge and I'll pop up.

1021
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: If I don't have an ELK picture or or deer

1022
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 1: picture there, then it's not me. Hey, one more thing,

1023
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: you did some filming ELK filming this fall of your hunts,

1024
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: and those are gonna get edited up and go on

1025
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: your YouTube channel. What's your YouTube channel. Yeah, so it's

1026
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: all gonna be on the Colorado High up to two Hunters. Um,

1027
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: you'll see it. It looks like, uh, it's a it's

1028
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: a red Colorado sign with with the mountains on there. Uh,

1029
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: it's once again Colorado High. Two Hunters will drop a

1030
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: Tendai series uh throughout the hunt and then uh and

1031
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: then there will be a film later on produced too

1032
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: as well, So it'll be fun. It's it's a lot

1033
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: of action packed. Um. There was a lot of days

1034
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: that we got into olk every day. But there was

1035
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: a lot of days that you get bullis they were

1036
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: talking and then you're like, what in the heck is

1037
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: going on? And then they would come in silent. That

1038
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: was a lot of our action. And then uh, towards

1039
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: the latter part of the season, it just turned up.

1040
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: It was it was absolutely bunker. So it is definitely

1041
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: gonna be some good footage on there. Man. I can't

1042
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: wait to see it. I can't wait to see it. Well,

1043
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: thanks again for coming on and we'll catch you next time,

1044
00:59:54,520 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: all right, appreciate you. M