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Speaker 1: turns out that, you know, tech Stuffs covered a lot
Speaker 1: of things in the more than five episodes that we
Speaker 1: have in our in our back catalog. Crazy thing that
Speaker 1: I read, I recommended, like, oh we could do Airman's
Speaker 1: and Jonathan's like covered it. It's like ghost tours covered it,
Speaker 1: like ghost hunting technology and like, Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: that was a particularly um energetic discussion. Chris was trying
Speaker 1: to keep me from exploding the entire time. So we
Speaker 1: thought we'd take a horror movie and look at the
Speaker 1: science and technology in that horror movie as well, just
Speaker 1: kind of discussed what that horror movie is all about,
Speaker 1: sort of the same way we did in Dependence Day
Speaker 1: back for the Fourth of July. Now, there aren't that
Speaker 1: many horror movies that we could think of that have
Speaker 1: a heavy tech angle. There are some and there are plenty.
Speaker 1: And we also, I mean, you know, we we wanted
Speaker 1: to do something that isn't um as completely offensive as
Speaker 1: as it could be. I mean, you know, it's the
Speaker 1: movie that we chose is rated are and um, I
Speaker 1: think both of us enjoy it, uh for yeah, from
Speaker 1: a kind of tongue in cheek way. Sometimes I I
Speaker 1: genuinely enjoy this film, but it is not what I
Speaker 1: would call a good movie. It is Event Horizon. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is a space movie. It's a movie set in space.
Speaker 1: It's all about space. Let's go ahead and give you
Speaker 1: an overview of what the basic plot is in case
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it. Right, Although I will say that
Speaker 1: that this this discussion is going to involve lots of spoilers,
Speaker 1: and and like I said, we do enjoy this movie.
Speaker 1: I want you to see it and to not be
Speaker 1: spoiled when you go into it. So if you have
Speaker 1: not ever seen the film, and you are of an
Speaker 1: appropriate agent constitution to watch a thing with with kind
Speaker 1: of gory va island and uh mild nudity occasional cursing,
Speaker 1: then maybe maybe just turn this podcast off and wait
Speaker 1: until you can watch the movie. Right now, I will
Speaker 1: say since the film came out, all bets are off.
Speaker 1: So here we go. Basic plot, All right, You've got
Speaker 1: a ship, it's called the Event Horizon, and it's supposedly
Speaker 1: a research ship that's meant to explore the further reaches
Speaker 1: of our solar system. And on its maiden voyage it
Speaker 1: disappeared somewhere just beyond Neptune. Now that happens in the
Speaker 1: year seven years later. A research alright, rescue ship rather,
Speaker 1: it sent out, sent out with a particular engineer, a
Speaker 1: scientist who had worked on the Event Horizons propulsion system
Speaker 1: actually designed the entire ship. Yeah, so he's he's going
Speaker 1: along with them. They don't know what their mission is
Speaker 1: when they first leave, but they are to go out
Speaker 1: to Neptune and try and find the origin of a
Speaker 1: mysterious transmission that apparently came from it's coming in Avtterrize
Speaker 1: and and and rescue the ship of the crew if
Speaker 1: it all possible. Right, So they go out there, and
Speaker 1: bad stuff happens, y'all. First of all, it turns out
Speaker 1: that the event Horizons secret propulsion system is something that
Speaker 1: is called a gravity drive in the movie, and the
Speaker 1: ideas that it kind of in messes with space. Right,
Speaker 1: it creates a black hole essentially, and we'll get into
Speaker 1: that a little bit more later on. That's yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: we'll discuss the entire black hole thing at length because
Speaker 1: it's interesting. It's what's really interesting is how much of
Speaker 1: the science the movie at least attempted to get right. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to give it a lot of kudos. I do.
Speaker 1: I do think that it really tried, Like gold Star,
Speaker 1: you tried. It didn't just use black hole as some
Speaker 1: sort of magic, magic placeholder, right. They tried to find
Speaker 1: a way of explaining this, and there there is some
Speaker 1: scientific basis for some other stuff they talk about anyway.
Speaker 1: But because it's a horror movie, um, when it tried
Speaker 1: to create this hole in spacetime to travel through, instead,
Speaker 1: it accidentally ended up in a hell dimension. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: idea brought a bunch of Hell back with it and
Speaker 1: is haunted. The ship is haunted by Hell and or
Speaker 1: is Hell itself. Yeah, it could actually be possessed. It's
Speaker 1: a little weird. Yeah. So the idea of being that
Speaker 1: that when the gravity drive is is activated, the ship
Speaker 1: travels through a dimension, in this case a hellish dimension
Speaker 1: of pure chaos and evil as what character says, and uh,
Speaker 1: and that yeah, it brings something back. And the crew
Speaker 1: is deader than dead, super dead. Yeah, they are so dead.
Speaker 1: You see lots of really really dead people and uh.
Speaker 1: And then the rescue mission comes aboard and tries to
Speaker 1: do what they're supposed to do, and then hilarity ensues.
Speaker 1: We won't spoil everything, but essentially, obviously you have to
Speaker 1: dismantle the rescue ship or else they could just leave,
Speaker 1: so that gets taken care of. Uh. Then you have
Speaker 1: to separate out the crew members for various reasons and
Speaker 1: then have terrible things happened to them. And all this
Speaker 1: happens at great gore and detail, and it's entertaining. It's
Speaker 1: not at all. It's not Shakespeare, but it's fun. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate that the film and this was this was
Speaker 1: directed by Paul Anderson. A Paul Anderson. He has some
Speaker 1: initials in there somewhere that I'm completely missing and I
Speaker 1: did not write them down. But he's the same guy
Speaker 1: who directed the Mortal Kombat movie. Yes, he said that
Speaker 1: he wanted to have a turn at directing something a
Speaker 1: little more eyebrow. No, he was talking about gory. He
Speaker 1: wanted to make he wanted a chance to make an
Speaker 1: R rated picture after That's right, because Mortal Kombat was
Speaker 1: PG thirteen, um And and I and I do, like
Speaker 1: I said, I want to give the film a lot
Speaker 1: of kudos, you know. Okay, So it starts out with
Speaker 1: this brief timeline, and I'd say that it was a
Speaker 1: hopeful but not completely ridiculous timeline. They were saying that
Speaker 1: the first permanent moon colony in this in this science
Speaker 1: fiction setting was in uh and that commercial mining on
Speaker 1: Mars began in two considering that, you know, we've got
Speaker 1: some some outfits here on Earth that are trying to
Speaker 1: get to Mars around that same time period. All right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the lunar colony in is way too ambitious, but well,
Speaker 1: but back there was no way of knowing that the
Speaker 1: space program was going to going to have so many
Speaker 1: financial hits. Um So, yeah, getting into it. One thing
Speaker 1: that confused me was the idea of even having a ship.
Speaker 1: Now the cover the event Horizons Outer Solar System Exploration,
Speaker 1: which the cover story, yeah it was just say code
Speaker 1: black the real reason. That's the actual thing that they
Speaker 1: said in the film, And I'm still not sure what
Speaker 1: that means. It sounds really nifty, right. I guess it
Speaker 1: just means super duper secret, y'all. You have to know
Speaker 1: the secret handshake in order to get access to it.
Speaker 1: But the thing that made me confused was just the
Speaker 1: idea of even building a ship for that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: We've built that people can get out onto the surface
Speaker 1: if Neptune and walk around and on gas giants. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds like a great idea. Um, you know, really
Speaker 1: hot gas giants where the winds are two point one
Speaker 1: thousand kilometers perout right, that's exactly that and has the
Speaker 1: most high force winds in the entire Solar System. Not
Speaker 1: a not a very nice place to go visit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's and lots of methane in the atmosphere too,
Speaker 1: not great hydrogen and helium also in the atmosphere. It's
Speaker 1: not a very great planet to to go visit if
Speaker 1: you don't have some massive protection around you. It just
Speaker 1: seems weird because we could do robotic probes that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff for that sort of thing. But whatever, so uh,
Speaker 1: they'll also just get it all the way. This is
Speaker 1: one of those space movies where we do hear sounds
Speaker 1: in space and the initial sequence turns out to be
Speaker 1: a dream sequence. So you can't entirely blame the fact
Speaker 1: that you're hearing a thunderstorm on Neptune from space on
Speaker 1: on the fact that it's Yeah, it's some sort of hallucination,
Speaker 1: hallucination or dream or something. But assuming the rest of
Speaker 1: the movie is not a hallucination or dream, which as
Speaker 1: far as I can tell, that's not the intention. Point.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of examples of hearing sound in space, absolutely
Speaker 1: not necessarily that the characters hear it, but the audience
Speaker 1: hears it. Also a good point from from this general
Speaker 1: area of the film, they're um, they're showing spaceships as
Speaker 1: being three dimensional and spaces being three dimensional and things
Speaker 1: coming at each other from different angles, which I absolutely
Speaker 1: approve it right, it's not all in the same plane
Speaker 1: like it would be in most Star Trek. Not all
Speaker 1: Star Trek the most control certain points are Trek really
Speaker 1: only discovered that space is multidimensional, I think, and pay
Speaker 1: in the game. Yeah. So there's also some other interesting
Speaker 1: things that they do have artificial gravity in this in
Speaker 1: this universe, we don't know how they generated, although they
Speaker 1: appear to have some other means of controlling gravity. With
Speaker 1: the gravity drive. They talk about using electro magnets to
Speaker 1: control the flow of gravitons. Uh, gravitons right now are
Speaker 1: a hypothetical particle. We think they exist based upon the math,
Speaker 1: but we have not identified or observed gravitons. But but
Speaker 1: I'm cool with this science fiction film positing that we're
Speaker 1: going to discover the graviton particle within the next forty years. Okay,
Speaker 1: thirty years. Yeah, right, that's right. Sorry, I'm old. That's cool.
Speaker 1: So so it's it's yeah, it's it's one of those
Speaker 1: things where maybe if they discovered gravitons, they also figured
Speaker 1: out how to create artificial gravity, because what they are
Speaker 1: not doing is creating it through rotating a spaceship or
Speaker 1: space station in order to use the centripetal force to
Speaker 1: kind of fake gravity. Right, So you know, we're well,
Speaker 1: we'll give him that too. I won't. I don't understand ever,
Speaker 1: shaving with a straight razor. I don't have to shave
Speaker 1: my face, so I just don't think that's a wise
Speaker 1: idea to do in space. But then, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you've got artificial gravity, you're pretty This is this is
Speaker 1: Sam Neil's character. Sam Neil playing the the physicist who,
Speaker 1: as it turns out, designed this event horizonship and um
Speaker 1: and he's got some problems that the film goes into
Speaker 1: pretty extensively, and so the straight razor, as it turns out,
Speaker 1: is symbolic. You find out that his wife committed suicide
Speaker 1: with a straight which makes me even more concerned for
Speaker 1: him that he's using that to shave with. Y'all, this
Speaker 1: is a bad This is going bad places. A psychologist
Speaker 1: would probably have a few things to say about it. Uh.
Speaker 1: I thought that the space station that Samuel's character is
Speaker 1: on at the beginning of the film was a little
Speaker 1: odd in that it's think of a massive grid made
Speaker 1: out of like scaffolding, or if you've ever worked on
Speaker 1: a theater set where you've got the grid that you
Speaker 1: hang the lights off of that looks like the skeleton
Speaker 1: of this space station and just looks like a massive
Speaker 1: grid of this stuff, like the set to Stomp or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And occasionally you have these habitats that are you know,
Speaker 1: you could tell that they're these these things that are
Speaker 1: connected to the gritting grid structure that are where everyone lives,
Speaker 1: but they don't seem to be connected to each other
Speaker 1: like they're on different parts of the grid, and this
Speaker 1: thing isn't to be connected. Yeah, you wouldn't really want
Speaker 1: to spacewalk in between them. The spacewalking is pretty dangerous.
Speaker 1: And lower orbit, which exact a little title comes up
Speaker 1: that says lower I didn't pay attention to that point,
Speaker 1: and I took notes, and I could not remember if
Speaker 1: the space station was an orbit around Earth or Mars,
Speaker 1: because there were comments that made me think, well, maybe
Speaker 1: they were in orbit of Mars. So that makes some
Speaker 1: of the rest of this discussion much easier for me.
Speaker 1: But I did think it was neat that it looked modular,
Speaker 1: which meant, you know, that makes sense. You would want
Speaker 1: to be able to build onto any sort of permanent
Speaker 1: space station UH in a way that would allow you
Speaker 1: to not have to reinvent the wheel every time. So
Speaker 1: if it's modular, you just add a new module on.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, So all right, I'm giving it that too.
Speaker 1: The rescue ship is called the Lewis and Clark UH,
Speaker 1: named after the explorers who quote unquote discovered lots of
Speaker 1: stuff in America. If you can consider people who had
Speaker 1: been living there for hundreds and hundreds of years to
Speaker 1: be not important enough to say they discovered it, but hey, um,
Speaker 1: I thought the design of this was a little weird,
Speaker 1: particularly the bridge. I wrote down that they're seating structure
Speaker 1: that main happens. Chair drives me crazy. So so this
Speaker 1: is a bridge in which all of the you know,
Speaker 1: crew member chairs are normal kind of chairs. They can
Speaker 1: roll around a little bit, but they basically a fixed
Speaker 1: so the ground kind of like office chairs chairs. Ish um,
Speaker 1: And this captain's chair is suspended from this kind of
Speaker 1: track in the ceiling, like a like a roller coaster seat.
Speaker 1: And it looks really goofy And I'm not sharing what
Speaker 1: they were going. Lawrence Fishburn, who plays the Captain, sits
Speaker 1: in this chair. It means that his feet are actually
Speaker 1: dangling off the ground. He's not, he doesn't have contact
Speaker 1: with the ground. It allows him to turn si degrees
Speaker 1: and move along this track, But so would a chair
Speaker 1: with wheels on it and or standing up. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I don't understand this because if you were to argue,
Speaker 1: well this way, if there were some sort of problem,
Speaker 1: his chair wouldn't go sliding all over the room. But
Speaker 1: then everyone else's chairs seemed to have that ability. There's
Speaker 1: one guy who pushes back from his workstation and rolls
Speaker 1: halfway across the bridge. So if you're not going to
Speaker 1: do it for everybody, don't do it for anyone. That's
Speaker 1: what I say. Let's make this fair. Gosh darn't it um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just thought that was a weird thing. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I I did want to say that. I that I
Speaker 1: do actually like the design aesthetic of the Lewis and
Speaker 1: Clark because it's more functional than pretty most of the time,
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's very much based in the
Speaker 1: general aesthetic of today's NASA ships. Right, it looks, it
Speaker 1: looks like it's functional. It doesn't look like it's made
Speaker 1: out of you know, it's not. It's not some sort
Speaker 1: of Star Wars type thing where everything is pristine and
Speaker 1: beautiful as long as you're working for the Empire. It's
Speaker 1: it's definitely it's more on the Firefly range where this
Speaker 1: this looks like this is something that does work. It
Speaker 1: doesn't look like it's a set necessarily, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit roomier than perhaps a real spaceship would
Speaker 1: be in order to have those those good But but
Speaker 1: other than that, I'm willing to give them that it
Speaker 1: reminded me a little bit of like an expanded submarine,
Speaker 1: which is kind of what you would expect down for. Uh.
Speaker 1: The propulsion system I thought was really interesting. They talked
Speaker 1: this is kind of just mentioned offhand and dialogue. That's
Speaker 1: an ion drive, which those really existing. Yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: an ion drive uses thrusters and ionized particles. Those are
Speaker 1: charged particles in order to accelerate. And they can generate
Speaker 1: these charged particles and excite them in two major ways
Speaker 1: right now. We have the electro static force, which involves
Speaker 1: usually bombarding particles with electron beams so that you build
Speaker 1: up a negative charge. Uh. And there's also the electro
Speaker 1: magnetic approach, where you use electromagnets to excite these ions
Speaker 1: at any rate. Either way you're using this, you can
Speaker 1: output these ions and create thrust. But the thing about
Speaker 1: this is that it builds acceleration and the accelerating force
Speaker 1: is very low, so it reaches very fast acceleration at
Speaker 1: the end of this process. But but it takes a
Speaker 1: minute together. It takes a long time. Yeah, you're talking
Speaker 1: about like it's it's continuously accelerating, so it's not like
Speaker 1: it accelerates and then just stops. But the rate of
Speaker 1: acceleration is very low, so uh, I'm a little concerned
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't be able to get from Earth to
Speaker 1: Neptune in any reasonable amount of time using an ion drive.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could do it, but I
Speaker 1: think it would take longer than fifty six days, which
Speaker 1: is how long it takes within the film. Actually did
Speaker 1: do the math, and the current ion fusters that we've
Speaker 1: got can reach speeds of some nine kilometers per second,
Speaker 1: which is over two hundred thousand miles per hour in space,
Speaker 1: which is pretty screaming compared with like the Space Shuttle,
Speaker 1: which is about eighteen thousand kilometers per second UM. But
Speaker 1: even if the vehicle could go at that speed, the
Speaker 1: entire distance from Earth to Neptune, which it could not
Speaker 1: see above ree it takes a long time to warm
Speaker 1: up UM, it would still take five d and fifty
Speaker 1: three days unless I did the math wrong, which I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it sounds about right because the distance
Speaker 1: between Earth and Neptune is about four point four billion kilometers,
Speaker 1: and granted, we're talking about forty years in the future,
Speaker 1: and forty years can bring a lot of technological changes.
Speaker 1: I think it's a possibility, but it's a stretch, yeah,
Speaker 1: cutting it down. I mean, you're just talking about such
Speaker 1: huge distances. And keep in mind four point four billion
Speaker 1: kilometers that the average distance between Neptune and Earth, right yeah,
Speaker 1: I calculated that um from the closest point at which
Speaker 1: it's about four point three billion miles right. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: and even then you have to plan it, like just
Speaker 1: as we had to plan the Curiosity Rover to land
Speaker 1: on Mars months in advance, because you know, the orbits
Speaker 1: as the their you know, the plants continue to move
Speaker 1: across their orbital past even after you launch the ship,
Speaker 1: because they do not just hold in place. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't just launch when they're closest, because
Speaker 1: they'll be moving apart from each other from that moment
Speaker 1: moving on. So it's complicated. Um, But at any rate,
Speaker 1: in order to not be bored for some fifty days
Speaker 1: on this ship, that or die I guess the crew
Speaker 1: goes into stasis. Right. They do give the excuse of
Speaker 1: of of at the speeds that we're going, your skull
Speaker 1: would liquefy, which is not true. That is super inaccurate. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're talking about they would endure forces of excess of
Speaker 1: thirty g s or around thirty g s. That's thirty
Speaker 1: times the gravitational force you will here on Earth. All right,
Speaker 1: here's some other issues. First of all, going into stasis.
Speaker 1: That's always a problem, right as far as we understand
Speaker 1: it today, because anything that is going to slow down
Speaker 1: your bodily functions is not really that good for you.
Speaker 1: And most of the time movies portray it as freezing
Speaker 1: or in this case, it's being in this giant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's more liquid than goo. I would say it
Speaker 1: comes out like water, but it's um. That's just not
Speaker 1: good for your body. No, No, your skin will absorb liquid,
Speaker 1: especially once the oils begin to wash off. That's why
Speaker 1: if you spend too long in the bath or the pool,
Speaker 1: your fingers start to prune up. The your epidermis is
Speaker 1: absorbing water. And wherever the epidermis and dermis meat it's anchored,
Speaker 1: that's where you have those those valley parts, the crevices
Speaker 1: that are in the pruney skin, and then the bulgy
Speaker 1: bits that's where all the liquid has been absorbed. So
Speaker 1: imagine that all over your body. It's not great, gives
Speaker 1: rise to potential for bacterial infections. It's bad stuff. Also,
Speaker 1: your muscles would atrophy after you had been spinning that
Speaker 1: much time. We're talking about, you know, two months in
Speaker 1: in non you know, motionless, you would be in bad
Speaker 1: shape by the end of that. They don't appear to
Speaker 1: be at all affected in that way. They cough a bit,
Speaker 1: and that's it. Yeah, Sam Neil's character, who is not
Speaker 1: used to it, kind of stumbles a little bit and
Speaker 1: like isn't sure if he wants coffee, And that's that's about.
Speaker 1: That's the worst problem he has. But the other side
Speaker 1: of it, the whole thirty G issue. So, first of all,
Speaker 1: the the record for enduring gravitational forces goes to UH
Speaker 1: to John Stapp who for a very very short moment
Speaker 1: experienced a force of forty six point two gs. He
Speaker 1: was doing UH acceleration tests. You know, this was part
Speaker 1: of the whole like, how much can a person endure
Speaker 1: um turns out, you know, anything above say twenty geez
Speaker 1: or so you're talking eyeballs out gravitational forces. That's what
Speaker 1: they refer to it as. By the way, guys, so
Speaker 1: at four the six point two his eyeball stayed in
Speaker 1: his head. They didn't pop out, but he did suffer
Speaker 1: permanent eye damage. He had vision problems for the rest
Speaker 1: of his life. He did live a good long while
Speaker 1: after that. It wasn't like he you know, suffered serious
Speaker 1: health issues that led to his death. But he did
Speaker 1: have serious health issues. They just were chronic and lasted,
Speaker 1: you know, for the rest of his life. So uh,
Speaker 1: but at for the six point two g's even at
Speaker 1: that incredible amount of force supply to you, your skull
Speaker 1: will not liquefy. Your brains and eyeballs might if if
Speaker 1: you're exposed to it for long enough period of time,
Speaker 1: you know, so at certain fifty two days, like a
Speaker 1: couple of months, yeah, you might have some issues, uh
Speaker 1: at that point. So yes, it would be deadly. However,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that submerging someone in liquid would not
Speaker 1: mean that you had to get out of jail free
Speaker 1: card for enduring that amount of force, especially not water.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's how it works. No, if you
Speaker 1: if you were suddenly put under the ocean at a
Speaker 1: depth where the sure would be enough to crush you,
Speaker 1: you still get crushed, even if you know the whole
Speaker 1: thing in the abyss where they have to breathe in
Speaker 1: the liquid oxygen is meant to say that if you
Speaker 1: have yeah, if you have air inside your lungs, and
Speaker 1: that's going to pop your lungs. But by putting liquid
Speaker 1: you can endure more pressure. You still are not able
Speaker 1: to endure endless amounts of pressure. So I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that that would necessarily help. But then that brings us
Speaker 1: to the kind of computer devices they use, which are tablets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that for seven, it's a pretty Again,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good estimation of what they were going
Speaker 1: to have. You know, no one working on this movie
Speaker 1: clearly had talked to Steve Jobs and knew that the
Speaker 1: iPad is going to come out. Yeah. Nice seven. That
Speaker 1: might have been a little premature. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's they use tablet computers. I think by twenty four
Speaker 1: you will probably have moved beyond your basic tablet. But again,
Speaker 1: you're extrapolating from now as opposed to from That's another
Speaker 1: thing that I'm willing to give them a pass on
Speaker 1: due to the fact that all of the tech on
Speaker 1: their ship, which I think is purposefully clunky, and I
Speaker 1: think it's for purely aesthetic reasons. But um, but I
Speaker 1: can excuse it by the fact that all of the
Speaker 1: tech on their ship needs to withstand the same forces,
Speaker 1: these incredible skull liquefying forces, um, and so that therefore,
Speaker 1: if it's a little bit clunky, maybe that's why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now we've got a lot more to say about this, uh,
Speaker 1: this movie, and especially when we get into the gravity drive.
Speaker 1: That's what we're going to cover next. But before we
Speaker 1: do that, let's take a quick break to thank our sponsor.
Speaker 1: Now let's get back to event horizon and let's finally
Speaker 1: talk about this gravity drive thing. Yes, it's it's bizarre.
Speaker 1: Well okay, so so we hear the scientific explanation of
Speaker 1: it before we ever see the thing, Yes we do.
Speaker 1: He says that the gravity drive will create an infinite
Speaker 1: curvature of space, resulting in a singularity. And uh, here's
Speaker 1: the thing, guys, that's a real thing. Singularity infinite, well
Speaker 1: real in the sense of this is how we understand
Speaker 1: black holes right now, according to general relativity, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that this is absolutely a concept that is based in reality. Now,
Speaker 1: super proud of the way that they described it. The
Speaker 1: scientist character goes into this kind of long speel and
Speaker 1: and all of the other guys like like in English please. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I kind of wish that they had let him
Speaker 1: go for another half hour because I could have listened
Speaker 1: to Its hilarious because first he says, well in layman's terms,
Speaker 1: and it's really pretty simple. I mean, it's the simplest
Speaker 1: description of a black hole you can get to without
Speaker 1: super dumbing it down, which he ultimately does do. Um.
Speaker 1: But but it's he's He describes a retaining magnetic field
Speaker 1: focusing a narrow beam of gravitans to fold space time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then this creates a wormhole through which a ship
Speaker 1: can travel. And the idea being that you can fold
Speaker 1: space time so that the two points that you are
Speaker 1: interested in, your beginning and your destination, are adjacent to
Speaker 1: one another, even if in reality they are across the
Speaker 1: universe from each other. So let's use an example. Let's
Speaker 1: say that you get an old aisle roadmap. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about a paper roadmap. Okay, You've got a paper roadmap,
Speaker 1: and you are you want to travel between New York
Speaker 1: City and Los Angeles, California. And normally you would have
Speaker 1: to trace a pathway that would go along highways and
Speaker 1: you would travel thousands of miles. But what if you
Speaker 1: could just fold the roadmap so that New York City
Speaker 1: and Los Angeles were touching one another on the two sides,
Speaker 1: and then you were able to magically jump between New
Speaker 1: York City and Los Angeles. Then unfold the map so
Speaker 1: it's back to its regular space. Suddenly it looks like
Speaker 1: you've traveled faster than light. You have crossed thousands of
Speaker 1: miles in an instant, apparently violating Einstein's theory of relativity,
Speaker 1: except for the part where Einstein and Rosen and the
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties I believe came up with a concept of
Speaker 1: warmholes that allows for this, which says that if you
Speaker 1: have um a mass on that little New York blip
Speaker 1: and a mass on the l A blip, that are
Speaker 1: that are both massive enough to push spacetime towards itself
Speaker 1: in in the way that spacetime is hypothetically a folded
Speaker 1: moving of spacetime, because matter curves spacetime, and spacetime determines
Speaker 1: how matter moves, then then eventually you're going to get
Speaker 1: these two points touching. And then if they were touching
Speaker 1: enough that they could break through, Essentially you're talking of
Speaker 1: that matter you're removing. You're removing distance. Right, You're you're
Speaker 1: no longer traveling because you're not traveling faster than light
Speaker 1: at that moment. At that moment, those two distances are touching.
Speaker 1: So are those two points are touching, So there isn't
Speaker 1: a distance between them. If there were a distance between them,
Speaker 1: and you move faster than light, that's when Einstein says, hey,
Speaker 1: stop breaking the law. Alright, So let's talk about how
Speaker 1: is this related to actual real world physics. So from
Speaker 1: what we understand, what black holes, here's the deal. You
Speaker 1: gotta You got a star that's at least eight solar
Speaker 1: masses are larger, and as that star dies, it loses energy.
Speaker 1: The it begins to collapse in on itself, and so
Speaker 1: it starts to collapse in gravitational forces get stronger. You
Speaker 1: get this tiny point that gathers all the mass. We
Speaker 1: usually refer to it in math as being a point
Speaker 1: that has zero volume, but because there is mass within
Speaker 1: that zero volume and as infinite density. So you've got
Speaker 1: this point of infinite density that's creating this incredible gravitational
Speaker 1: poll in a large region around it. Now, we define
Speaker 1: the region around it where let's say there's a let's
Speaker 1: say there's an imaginary boundary that you can see around
Speaker 1: a black hole, which you which they would not be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but let's let's imagine that you can see this boundary,
Speaker 1: and you know that boundary represents the the section of
Speaker 1: space where if you were to pass beyond that boundary,
Speaker 1: you would no longer be able to escape the gravitational
Speaker 1: pull of that black hole. This is the point of
Speaker 1: no return. Yeah, this is this is the point where
Speaker 1: even light itself cannot escape the black hole. It just
Speaker 1: will go right towards the singularity. Depending upon what the singularity,
Speaker 1: how the singularity is formed, will get into that in
Speaker 1: a second. Yeah. Um, so that point that that that area,
Speaker 1: that region is called the event horizon. And I would
Speaker 1: like to stay for the record right now. The terrible
Speaker 1: idea it is to name your ship after the point
Speaker 1: of no return. Yeah, it's like it's like calling calling
Speaker 1: your your boat the uh, the Iceberg magnet. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to call your boat Iceberg magnets, or
Speaker 1: perhaps akin to naming your undersea paradise after something out
Speaker 1: of the Book of Revelation. It's just a terrible or
Speaker 1: even Atlantis. Yeah, you don't, you know, you don't want
Speaker 1: to necessarily go with that connotation if you think about
Speaker 1: it for too long. But yes, so the event horizon
Speaker 1: is named after this region of space where if you
Speaker 1: pass through it, you are pretty much guaranteed to go
Speaker 1: into the singularity. You want to say pretty much guaranteed.
Speaker 1: There are some caveats, all right. So, because there are
Speaker 1: different types of black holes, we quantify and we classify
Speaker 1: black holes based on three basic features. These are pretty
Speaker 1: much the only features black holes have according to our
Speaker 1: theory of relativity, because they're weird things. They of mass,
Speaker 1: they may or may not have spin, and they may
Speaker 1: or may not have a charge. So the basic black
Speaker 1: hole that is probably the simplest version, although not the
Speaker 1: most commonly found in the universe, is the swords Child
Speaker 1: black hole, which has no spin. It does have an
Speaker 1: event horizon, and essentially this this black hole, you can
Speaker 1: just think of it as a single point in space
Speaker 1: of that infinite density that is pulling you toward it.
Speaker 1: If you get beyond that event horizon, so it's just
Speaker 1: everything goes towards the center of that point. You don't
Speaker 1: have any rotation there. You know, you can try to
Speaker 1: use thrust to keep you from accelerating into the point.
Speaker 1: But it's just after a point, it's there's no point
Speaker 1: in doing that anymore either. Um, you're done. Speghantification is
Speaker 1: on the way, which is where that's the the idea
Speaker 1: that as you get closer to the black holes gravity
Speaker 1: things elongate and become noodle like, Thus the speghtification. It
Speaker 1: is uh, probably not terribly pleasant, although I'm guessing you
Speaker 1: would not be alive at that point anything. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: not um, but I think more frequently theoretical physicists say
Speaker 1: that this probably happens more frequently, and also certainly more
Speaker 1: frequently in films. Is predicted the the care black hole. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Care k r r H. So the Care black
Speaker 1: hole is formed from solar masses. Uh. And because stars
Speaker 1: usually are rotating, there's a rotational force that has to
Speaker 1: conserve the angular momentum. This is this is another law
Speaker 1: that you have to follow. It has to conserve the
Speaker 1: angular momentum. So the black hole itself is spinning, right,
Speaker 1: which is where you get those pretty graphics with with
Speaker 1: that kind of rotational cloud of stuff falling into a
Speaker 1: blacks The black hole at the center of the Milky
Speaker 1: Way is rotating. Therefore it's dragging space as it rotates,
Speaker 1: which causes this rotational force that ends up affecting the
Speaker 1: entire galaxy. It's pretty remarkable stuff, right. Well. The other
Speaker 1: interesting thing about this is that that spinning me means
Speaker 1: the singularity at the center of a care hole is
Speaker 1: not a single point like it is in schwartz Child. Instead,
Speaker 1: it's an infinitely thin ring that is also spinning. And
Speaker 1: they are a little more complicated. They don't have just
Speaker 1: the event horizon. They also have something called the ergosphere.
Speaker 1: This is the region of space that is distorted because
Speaker 1: of the rotational force of this black hole. So this
Speaker 1: is an overly simple model that I'm going to give you.
Speaker 1: It does not directly relate to how we see this
Speaker 1: happening in in the universe. But imagine putting your hand
Speaker 1: in a container of tranquil water and then moving your
Speaker 1: hand around and seeing how it disturbs the water. The
Speaker 1: ergosphere is kind of like that. It's this region where
Speaker 1: that rotational force is dragging the spacetime and distorting it
Speaker 1: as a result, which is kind of funky. Um. There's
Speaker 1: also another little region that's the static limit, that's the
Speaker 1: boundary between the ergosphere a normal space time that is
Speaker 1: not being directly dragged and distorted by this black hole. Well,
Speaker 1: the interesting thing about this theory is that, well, one
Speaker 1: interesting thing is that some people have proposed the hypothesis
Speaker 1: that if you were to encounter one of these black
Speaker 1: holes and you were able to enter the event horizon
Speaker 1: in a particular way where you could sling shot around
Speaker 1: that thin rotating singularity, you might not fall into the singularity.
Speaker 1: You might get shot out again, but you get shot
Speaker 1: out at a different point in space time. Thus you
Speaker 1: would have this wormhole theory. I don't know that you
Speaker 1: can necessarily control exactly where you would end up or
Speaker 1: when you would end up, because spacetime. And there's also
Speaker 1: the possibility this could allow for time travel, so that
Speaker 1: increases the Grandfather paradox, and there's other issues that we'd
Speaker 1: have to get into. That's an entirely different podcast. I
Speaker 1: don't recommend trying that without about time. I tried doing it,
Speaker 1: but then I went back in time and stopped myself,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I just can't guys, I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: just do it again, and and the way Back machine
Speaker 1: still in Mongolia, so we're kind of stuck. But so
Speaker 1: this is a hypothetical possibility. I mean, and and all
Speaker 1: of this, we should say, is based upon theoretical astrophysics,
Speaker 1: which if you couldn't tell from the name um, I mean,
Speaker 1: we've never gone out in a ship and checked out
Speaker 1: a black hole and been like, that's how it works.
Speaker 1: It's you know, this is all based on the way
Speaker 1: that we observe electromagnetic radiation behaving in spaces around what
Speaker 1: we have called black holes. Yeah, and and it's also
Speaker 1: based on a lot of math that we've tried to
Speaker 1: make work out. But things like infinite density and zero
Speaker 1: volume it's really hard to deal with. It's it's impossible
Speaker 1: for us to truly conceive of it. It's beyond our
Speaker 1: our ability to do so. And in fact, some people
Speaker 1: have gone so far, and I don't think it's that
Speaker 1: far really, but to say that singularity is really more
Speaker 1: of a placeholder, Like the terms we're using our placeholders
Speaker 1: that are good enough for now, but we need better clarification,
Speaker 1: and some integration of the quantum model of physics might
Speaker 1: end up clarifying these terms so that we we don't
Speaker 1: just have these vague placeholders. Right there is speaking of
Speaker 1: quantum stuff. Um there scientists start theorizing that this is
Speaker 1: happening at the quantum level, like a like at the
Speaker 1: plunk kind of level of particles, wormholes are being created.
Speaker 1: Uh a lot. Yeah, well that was one of the
Speaker 1: things that they talked about with the large hadron colliders,
Speaker 1: that these collisions could result in tiny little black holes
Speaker 1: that are on the you know, atomic or smaller scale
Speaker 1: and last less than a you know, like a like
Speaker 1: a nanosecond long, that's how long they last. But of
Speaker 1: course that knowing that they were going to make some
Speaker 1: black holes, that made some media outlets go, oh, we're
Speaker 1: all gonna get sucked into a black hole and die.
Speaker 1: And thus we had things like, you know, has the
Speaker 1: world been destroyed by the large Hadron collider and you
Speaker 1: go to the u r L and it would say no. Um.
Speaker 1: But one interesting thing, there's a paper published in the
Speaker 1: Physical Review Letters recently by Rodolfo Gambini and Jorge Pullin,
Speaker 1: and it was about a quantum black hole model in
Speaker 1: which the black hole doesn't have a singularity but rather
Speaker 1: is a gateway. So this gateway would put you into
Speaker 1: possibly another universe, not necessarily another dimension, but another universe. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's some issues with this that we'd have to explore.
Speaker 1: It may very well be true, and it may be
Speaker 1: that this is the beginning of replacing those placeholders like
Speaker 1: singularity with more specific terms. But some of the problems
Speaker 1: involved things like, well, you probably still wouldn't survive any
Speaker 1: kind of trip through a black hole the title forces
Speaker 1: you would undergo as you would go through this intense
Speaker 1: gravity would still squish you and kill you if you
Speaker 1: did somehow find a way to survive. There's no guarantee
Speaker 1: that what universe you would uh end up in would
Speaker 1: have the same laws of physics that our universe has,
Speaker 1: and thus you end up dying anyway because physics don't
Speaker 1: work um. And then there's the problem of, well, if
Speaker 1: there are black holes in various universes, they are connecting
Speaker 1: each other together, where are the outputs, Because we don't
Speaker 1: see any in our universe. Where are the white holes
Speaker 1: these these holes where matter from the black hole on
Speaker 1: the other end is being spewed out into the universe.
Speaker 1: Because if the black hole end is pulling everything in,
Speaker 1: the white hole end must be pushing everything back out.
Speaker 1: And if we don't see evidence of that in our
Speaker 1: universe either, that means that we only have exits, no entrances,
Speaker 1: or there's some other problems with this uh this uh theory,
Speaker 1: or it may just be that we haven't found a
Speaker 1: way to observe it yet. I don't know. Maybe it
Speaker 1: turns out that white holes are the source of all
Speaker 1: dark dark matter, which represents more mass than anything else
Speaker 1: we can observe. We don't know what dark matter is.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's it. If it turns out to be that,
Speaker 1: you can mail my Nobel Prize our addresses on the website.
Speaker 1: So at any rate, we're going to assume that in
Speaker 1: the movie they want to open up a care black
Speaker 1: hole k E er R not c A r E,
Speaker 1: and they're going to use that to zip over to
Speaker 1: some other part of the universe, and that things went wrong.
Speaker 1: So I think you think it's safe to say that
Speaker 1: that's more or less what they meant based upon what's
Speaker 1: said in the film. I feel like that's extrapolating, but
Speaker 1: a fair extrapolation. I mean, you know, I think that
Speaker 1: he was talking about a pretty straight wormhole kind of situation.
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to justify it anyway. Again, I mean,
Speaker 1: it could be that that the science and event horizon
Speaker 1: back in was ahead of its time, and that the
Speaker 1: quantum research that we're talking about right now ends up
Speaker 1: being exactly what or more or less what they were
Speaker 1: saying in that movie, which would be kind of cool
Speaker 1: because then you're like, well, the science was wrong, but
Speaker 1: then it was right again based upon our understanding. Well,
Speaker 1: we've got a lot more to say now that we've
Speaker 1: got the black hole stuff out of the way, But
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Speaker 1: the movie. Now. We've talked about the gravity drive, we
Speaker 1: talked about the iron propulsion, we talked about whether or
Speaker 1: not your skull would liquefy. Surely we've gotten through all
Speaker 1: the problems. Right, Oh, we were actually still pretty early
Speaker 1: in the movie. This only takes us up through before
Speaker 1: they're even on the titular event horizons. We've got a
Speaker 1: lot of ground, We've got a lot of space to cover. Yeah, okay, alright,
Speaker 1: so the alright there, there's a good side and a
Speaker 1: bad side to this, Lauren. The good side is that
Speaker 1: pretty soon we're gonna be talking about supernatural stuff which
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with technology, and then we're okay,
Speaker 1: right right, because when you start talking about hell dimensions
Speaker 1: invading I'm like, well, I'll give that a pass because
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have any data how that
Speaker 1: would work. It doesn't involve technology or any science that
Speaker 1: we understand at this moment, so therefore we cannot comment
Speaker 1: on it. However, there are some science stuff we can
Speaker 1: talk about. Yeah, okay. So, so when our search and
Speaker 1: rescue crew of the Lewis and Clark arrived at the
Speaker 1: event horizon, it is I guess it's supposed to be
Speaker 1: an orbit of Neptune. That's that was what I felt
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be. It's in the orbit around Neptune,
Speaker 1: but it's it's kind of within Neptune's atmosphere because there
Speaker 1: are all of these big storms going on, and it
Speaker 1: is accurate that there would be big storms on Neptune.
Speaker 1: Um it is much much like Jupiter. It has these
Speaker 1: very giant, very violent, um slightly quicker storms. The storms
Speaker 1: and Jupiter are much longer lasting. Right. But here's the
Speaker 1: problem is that if that ship were in fact in
Speaker 1: within the atmosphere, that atmosphere would slow the ship's pathway
Speaker 1: down so much that would have just the orbit would
Speaker 1: have decayed much more rapidly. The ship would be crashing
Speaker 1: into Neptune. So the clouds there are a problem because
Speaker 1: it would suggest that it's too late the If it's
Speaker 1: truly an orbit, it would be above the atmosphere. But
Speaker 1: since it's in the atmosphere, I think that we have
Speaker 1: to say this is for the spooky effect, because how
Speaker 1: can you have a haunted house movie in space without
Speaker 1: a thunderstorm going on outside? Right, I'd say pretty easily. Um,
Speaker 1: you can totally. I mean I've seen Alien and that
Speaker 1: basically work, which isn't a haunted House situation, but still close.
Speaker 1: It's close. I mean, you know, you fall, we're playing
Speaker 1: upon the same primal fears obviously. Um, I'm just amazed
Speaker 1: there weren't space wolves howling outside the windows of the ship.
Speaker 1: But actually there were enough characters having hallucinations that I
Speaker 1: am I am, I am actually shocked that they did
Speaker 1: not have space wolves. Yeah. Well, maybe we missed it
Speaker 1: because some of those were like montages of really fast
Speaker 1: clips of you know, this just looks like a Clive
Speaker 1: Barker nightmare scenario smashed into half a second. So maybe
Speaker 1: there were some space wolves in there. We don't know,
Speaker 1: but there definitely was a stormy Um. If anyone, by
Speaker 1: the way, he wants to photoshops and space wolves into
Speaker 1: some footage from from the Horizon, I would look in
Speaker 1: at you, Aaron Cooper, and I'm absolutely willing to read
Speaker 1: your name on air. Yea. So um, all right, what
Speaker 1: about the way that they before they get on the
Speaker 1: event horizon, they decide to take a look and see
Speaker 1: if there's anything alive on it. They do a life scan.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, there's a bunch of life scanning related
Speaker 1: technology that happens in this middle portion of the film.
Speaker 1: And uh and yes one is from the Lewis and Clark.
Speaker 1: And then once they get onto the ship, they've got
Speaker 1: these little shiny laser related hand devices mostly looks like
Speaker 1: a laser that's put through a splitter of some sort,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure how that would work. Maybe it's uh,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking thermal, that's the closest it was. Something that
Speaker 1: is warmer than the than the surrounding environment would suggest
Speaker 1: a life form, or if you've got extremely sensitive audio technology,
Speaker 1: I suppose that you could scan for heartbeats or something
Speaker 1: like that, right, you know, now we know that in
Speaker 1: other science fiction shows and movies, things like Star Trek,
Speaker 1: they have life form scanning technology that can even identify
Speaker 1: things like, uh, creatures, blood type, if they have far
Speaker 1: it or a brain wave or something like Yeah, but
Speaker 1: there's no explanation here, not not that we necessarily expect it.
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly, if this movie were to explain every
Speaker 1: single piece of science and something really long, and I
Speaker 1: would watch it forever, actually, that would be I would
Speaker 1: love that movie. It would be called Arthur C. Clark's
Speaker 1: Toothings than One is what it would be called. And
Speaker 1: there'll probably be fewer, fewer hell demons, but maybe more
Speaker 1: space wolves. I'm honestly more confused about that. That visual
Speaker 1: of the of the split laser thing on board, because
Speaker 1: if you're using I mean, if if it's just a
Speaker 1: method to let the operator know where he's pointing the beam,
Speaker 1: where she is pointing the beam, then then I guess
Speaker 1: that counts. But otherwise, if it's if it's a visual
Speaker 1: light spectrum analysis, it's not going to penetrate anything, and
Speaker 1: they're clearly trying to sweep rooms with it would make
Speaker 1: it pretty easy, which means that you could do something
Speaker 1: else like use your eyes, you know those things that
Speaker 1: each of the characters had no well for a while anyway,
Speaker 1: So of the characters don't end up with eyes because
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, spoiler alert, where we're going, we don't need
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what he says. Uh, So I have
Speaker 1: here in my notes. This is a says, not so
Speaker 1: much a note as an observation. This is just one
Speaker 1: of those things I picked up on while I was
Speaker 1: watching the movie. The docking bay, that the event horizon,
Speaker 1: well that the Lewis and Clark uses to access the
Speaker 1: event horizon is for reasons that are never explained, docking
Speaker 1: bay thirteen. It's x I I I in Roman numerals,
Speaker 1: so it's thirteen. Uh. The doctor Weir, Sam Neil's character.
Speaker 1: We didn't name him earlier in the podcast, but Lauren
Speaker 1: reminded me that the character does infact have a name,
Speaker 1: is not just SAMs character. Um Dr Weir says that
Speaker 1: it's the main docking bay. So I don't know why
Speaker 1: your main docking bay would be thirteen. I guess this
Speaker 1: is just one of those little you know, winks to
Speaker 1: the audience, or you could explain it as being, um
Speaker 1: a representation of a how much doctor we are need
Speaker 1: psychiatric help. Yeah, that will get a lot more indication
Speaker 1: of that in a very short while. When they get
Speaker 1: aboard the event Horizon. So they do the scan. It
Speaker 1: does not come back with any anything that would suggest
Speaker 1: a life form. But then they say, well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do this the old fashioned way, room by room. Well,
Speaker 1: they say that there's these weird like kind of amorphous
Speaker 1: sort of sort of blobs of life forms kind of everywhere,
Speaker 1: and that they're not seeing any individual human people, which
Speaker 1: is what they're looking for. So they decided to go
Speaker 1: onto the ship exactly. So a couple of the guys
Speaker 1: they create an umbilicus, a pathway that will connect the
Speaker 1: two ships. This is something else. That confused me. All right,
Speaker 1: So the Lewis and Clark has artificial gravity. The event
Speaker 1: horizon normally would have artificial gravity, but that system is
Speaker 1: down exactly. They connect an umbilicus between the Lewis and
Speaker 1: Clark and the event horizon. As soon as the characters
Speaker 1: getting into the umbilicus, they're in a zero G environment.
Speaker 1: Back aboard the Lewis and Clark, you still have artificial gravity.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering where you cut that off, Like, how does
Speaker 1: the artificial gravity. No, clearly the artificial gravity the gravitons
Speaker 1: get into your air supply, and so if you're not
Speaker 1: sharing air supplies, then you're not sharing. Almost certain air
Speaker 1: supply did not supply any of the music in this movie.
Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and watch it again to
Speaker 1: see if air supply is in this film, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it is. All right, So anyway, that was
Speaker 1: another little goofy bit. So they do a quick tour
Speaker 1: of the ship. You have some characters going towards the
Speaker 1: front of the ship, which is where the bridge is,
Speaker 1: in the living quarters, the medical center, all of that
Speaker 1: is on the front end. And this is before they
Speaker 1: get all of these systems back up. So everyone is
Speaker 1: in uh you know, low gravity um, and and it's
Speaker 1: and it's very everything is still extremely cold. They don't
Speaker 1: have temperature online. They have magnetic boots which allow them
Speaker 1: to stick to the floor. I appreciated that they at
Speaker 1: least said like, hey, we've got magnetic boots. And they
Speaker 1: even showed a little like this is an engaging kind
Speaker 1: of kind of sequen. I forgot thought that was a
Speaker 1: nice nod too. Maybe this could be like reality science ish.
Speaker 1: I did have a problem in that they talk about
Speaker 1: how the temperature is below freezing and you see frozen
Speaker 1: droplets of water floating through the event horizon. But there's
Speaker 1: also this water bottle. I assume it's a water bottle,
Speaker 1: looks very much like a water bottle, and it is
Speaker 1: clearly full of liquid and liquid form noises. So how
Speaker 1: did that not freeze? Unless, of course, it's not water
Speaker 1: in that water bottle. It could be another liquid that
Speaker 1: has a lower freezing point. Um. I can only assume
Speaker 1: that it is the viscera of hell. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: sinking vodka. But anyway, alright, so, uh, you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that vodka is the visca. It's probably
Speaker 1: fairly active, both of our Okay, yeah, we're we're both right.
Speaker 1: That's I'm cool with that. So some of the people
Speaker 1: go towards the forward part of the ship, where by
Speaker 1: the way that the forward part of the ship where
Speaker 1: the bridge and living cores and everything, all of that
Speaker 1: is separated by an incredibly long hallway from gravity drive
Speaker 1: engineering section sectually, specifically, the gravity drives really the only
Speaker 1: thing we ever see on that other side of the ship, right,
Speaker 1: even though it's the largest part of the ship, we
Speaker 1: really just see the gravity drive and in the the
Speaker 1: the labyrinthian hallways that surround the gravity drive for no
Speaker 1: apparent reason. Because weird needs help. Yeah, um, this long
Speaker 1: neck I thought was pretty odd when I first saw
Speaker 1: the design of the ship. I was like, why would
Speaker 1: you want a neck that long? And the only thing
Speaker 1: that I could come up with is if then the
Speaker 1: world they talk about, you know, the gravity fluctuations, maybe
Speaker 1: those fluctuations could adversely affect the crew, and by creating
Speaker 1: this distance, by creating this long neck like corridor, you
Speaker 1: minimize that. Maybe that's the reason, so I can justify
Speaker 1: I'm willing to give them that so, but otherwise you're
Speaker 1: just thinking like, why is the ship It's basically a
Speaker 1: plot device. It looks cool and it looks cool, and
Speaker 1: you get that good dramatic tension of needing to have
Speaker 1: people run up and down it and during important or
Speaker 1: fly up and down it when the gravity is not
Speaker 1: you know, but or float I guess would be the
Speaker 1: more accurate, right, speaking of so they do, they do
Speaker 1: turn on the ship's interior gravity, so no one has
Speaker 1: to have expensive effects anymore for for a while, for
Speaker 1: a while, not until we get to the end. And
Speaker 1: so we see lots of water splashing down onto the
Speaker 1: floor and things like that. It was neat, neat little effect. Um,
Speaker 1: did you notice the ship's log that it's on. It's
Speaker 1: on an optical disc like a DVD or a CD. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this was made so we have to give it
Speaker 1: that allowance. But it was so funny to me that
Speaker 1: there's a disc and it's caught inside the computer system. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My specific note I think was like, oh, yes, optical disc, yes, right,
Speaker 1: you know, why go back? Yeah, I'm we're just lucky
Speaker 1: it's on eight track. Uh yeah, So the ship's log
Speaker 1: is stored on an optical disc, which we thought was
Speaker 1: adorable and this is about when the crew discovers this
Speaker 1: gravity drive the Doctor Weir has created um and it
Speaker 1: looks like something out of Hell. Raser. Yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: it looks like the same designer who made the limit configuration,
Speaker 1: which is the puzzle box in Hell Razer would in
Speaker 1: this case, it's Dr Weir must have seen that, because
Speaker 1: that's what the interior of his gravity drive room looks like.
Speaker 1: I am so I am so worried for him. I honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't think that he was doing well when he
Speaker 1: was creating this. The entire esthetic design of this ship
Speaker 1: is very much in contrast to the design of the
Speaker 1: Lewis and Clark, which is kind of rough and tumble
Speaker 1: and and has been little ben utilitarian, And the interior
Speaker 1: of this ship reminds me of nothing more than like
Speaker 1: a nineteenth century insane asylum. You've got this this very
Speaker 1: these very brick like metal panels in various places, and
Speaker 1: we've got all of this weird Victorian style detailing and
Speaker 1: razy machinery. So it's kind of a combination with of
Speaker 1: that asylum. And like, imagine that you've been shrunk down
Speaker 1: and then thrown into the home Depot power tools section.
Speaker 1: So You've got these enormous like drill like things that
Speaker 1: are turning around you for no apparent reason. Um. I
Speaker 1: and there's there's a corridor and the end of the
Speaker 1: film that has shaped like a coffin, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: you guys, seriously, you guys, this is amazing. No One
Speaker 1: no one said like, hey, Dr Weir, do you want
Speaker 1: to take a vacation and go to Disney World. I
Speaker 1: will also say this is going back to the the
Speaker 1: inspiration for the film I have read. I assume this
Speaker 1: is true. It seems like it's true that the idea was,
Speaker 1: what if we had the Shining but said it in space,
Speaker 1: in which case, if you're talking about the film version
Speaker 1: of The Shining, you know Jack Nicholson, Jack Nicholson's characters
Speaker 1: already pretty freaking crazy before he shows up at the
Speaker 1: Overlook Hotel totally and Dr Weir kind of falls that model. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I did want to say that it's actually clever
Speaker 1: that the that drive itself is built like a giant gyroscope,
Speaker 1: like a giant hellish gyroscope, because, um, because real spaceships do,
Speaker 1: in fact, you use gyroscopes in their inertial navigation. Systems,
Speaker 1: albeit not giant puzzle box looking ones, right, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: one that you're talking about in the movie. It's imagine
Speaker 1: a globe that's side of a ring, that's inside of
Speaker 1: another ring, and all of these can can rotate independently
Speaker 1: of each other, and when it lines up, it flashes
Speaker 1: light at you and bad things happen. Um dr. We're
Speaker 1: assures the crew that the gravity drive is not on,
Speaker 1: totally on, and it's totally not safe. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: because the ship, as it turns out, is alive. Uh
Speaker 1: I said that. Another thing that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a little weird. The characters are
Speaker 1: forced aboard the Event Horizon because the Lewis and Clark
Speaker 1: is compromised. All right, there's a whole breach and their
Speaker 1: air supply. UM starts going, I'm not gonna make another joke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that everyone, everyone aside from a repair crew, goes
Speaker 1: aboard the Event Horizon. The repair crew tries to repair
Speaker 1: the damage to the Lewis and Clark. So they discovered
Speaker 1: that the oxygen, to be more specific, the carbon dioxide
Speaker 1: levels are rising and are going to hit because the
Speaker 1: scrubbers are something something I don't know that the CEO
Speaker 1: two scrubbers are not not functioning properly, and even if
Speaker 1: they brought the ones a board from the Lewis and Clark,
Speaker 1: it would only give them a little extra time. They
Speaker 1: only have twenty hours of breathable air on the event Horizon,
Speaker 1: which is enormous. Is a huge ship. It's very large.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that they only had twenty hours of
Speaker 1: breathable air. That's maybe maybe the gravity drive eats oxygen.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the hell demons that are in that are
Speaker 1: living in heavy breathers. That could be. I mean, I mean, statistically,
Speaker 1: I think most hell demons are and they've been on
Speaker 1: that ship for seven years, so it's possible. Um. I
Speaker 1: also say that the another fun little fact. This is
Speaker 1: another not so technical thing, but just one of those
Speaker 1: things that if you've watched a lot of movies you appreciate.
Speaker 1: So they have the Sick Sick Bay, a medical center
Speaker 1: which supposedly has never been used. Well on a counter.
Speaker 1: In this medical bay, they have an array of medical tools,
Speaker 1: most of which are most are made just for films.
Speaker 1: They're not actual analogs to real medical tools, although I mean,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them are our corners tools more
Speaker 1: than medical tools. Really, it's the kind of thing that
Speaker 1: you're not going to see in actual medical practice outside
Speaker 1: of the Victorian era. So but if you had ever
Speaker 1: watched a movie like the Tim Burton's Batman or Little
Speaker 1: Shop of Horrors, you will recognize some of these. They're
Speaker 1: the same medical devices that have shown up in movie
Speaker 1: after movie whenever there's some form of medical horror element
Speaker 1: to the film. So I thought I appreciated that. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: especially amongst all of these, incredibly are not incredibly high
Speaker 1: tech looking, but but more fancy, shiny, inexplicable bits of
Speaker 1: medical tech that they've got floating around. Right. Well, moving forward,
Speaker 1: you know, things go wrong, Demons are unleashed, people are hallucinating,
Speaker 1: and then that's when we start to see characters try
Speaker 1: and take action. Dr Were wants to go and activate
Speaker 1: the fail safe circuit to turn off the gravity draft. Right.
Speaker 1: What's weird is how inconveniently placed the failsafe circuit is.
Speaker 1: Further More, and it's in this tunnel that, as far
Speaker 1: as I can tell, is composed of circuit board, which
Speaker 1: I think is probably a categorically bad idea for I mean, first,
Speaker 1: it's sharp, like it's delicate, you don't really want to
Speaker 1: be crawling around on top of it. It reminded me
Speaker 1: of those scenes in Star Trek the Next Generation whenever
Speaker 1: anything was seriously wrong with the away, like maybe we
Speaker 1: should start putting that stuff closer to where we work, guys. Furthermore,
Speaker 1: it's a it's an entire tunnel made of circuit board,
Speaker 1: and he has to go to this one very specific panel,
Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, the only panel within
Speaker 1: this tunnel of circuit board, and pull out another piece
Speaker 1: of circuit board and do something too. Yeah. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: expansion slot for the event Horizon is in an inconvenient location.
Speaker 1: Go buy a different ship, guys. Uh So. Also, I
Speaker 1: have a little plot note here. The commanding officer of
Speaker 1: the Lewis and Clark comes to a conclusion, right right
Speaker 1: she She says to the captain that she thinks, based
Speaker 1: upon zero evidence whatsoever, that the ship is alive. Now,
Speaker 1: first of all, she's right, but this turns out to
Speaker 1: be the fantastical element of the film. Yes, but how
Speaker 1: she I made the same note. I was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where she got that, And it was
Speaker 1: very convenient, Like the audience is picking up on it,
Speaker 1: but the characters shouldn't necessarily I did. I did read that, um,
Speaker 1: nearly half an hour of footage was taken out of
Speaker 1: the film before it went to theaters, and and that
Speaker 1: a lot of that was was more along the gore end.
Speaker 1: And I think that the film benefited from not having
Speaker 1: that in there, because I thought that the subtle flashes
Speaker 1: of gore were very effective here. But but maybe that
Speaker 1: was part of maybe that, maybe that gave her some
Speaker 1: of the feelings she had. Maybe not, maybe not, We
Speaker 1: don't know. The Captain describes what fire and zero G
Speaker 1: is like and gets it almost exactly wrong. Wrong. He
Speaker 1: says that it's like liquid, which Laurence fishburn. So he's
Speaker 1: very dramatic about it. Yeah, not like me. I can't
Speaker 1: I can't manage drama. Well, I can't age drama, but
Speaker 1: I'm not dramatic. Uh. Yeah, he says it's like liquid.
Speaker 1: I I interpreted that to mean that he thought it
Speaker 1: was like liquid on a surface that has gravity, Like
Speaker 1: it behaves like liquid wood on earth. Um. Even if
Speaker 1: you meant liquid and zero G, it's not exactly true.
Speaker 1: If you were to say, light a match in a
Speaker 1: zero G environment or a micro gravity environment, it would
Speaker 1: the flame would form a little globe around the match head,
Speaker 1: and it would probably burn in a very very uh faint,
Speaker 1: but very hot flame like you would usually get a
Speaker 1: little blue flame around the head of the match stick,
Speaker 1: the blue red yellow exactly. So fire does behave in
Speaker 1: an interesting way in zero G, but not really like
Speaker 1: a liquid um. I have a little bit about Cooper.
Speaker 1: We gotta talk about Cooper. Yeah, yeah, so so this
Speaker 1: is moving. As the plot moves forward, like we said,
Speaker 1: it becomes a little bit more fantastical, and therefore we
Speaker 1: don't have quite as many things to complain about. Are
Speaker 1: lovingly complain about. But yes, so so during one of
Speaker 1: these spacewalks wherein one of the crew members, Cooper is
Speaker 1: trying to repairs and Clark, uh, there's an explosion, massive
Speaker 1: catastrophic explosion that destroys the Lewis and Clark and and
Speaker 1: shuttles this little bit of ship that he was standing on,
Speaker 1: spinning wildly off into space. Right, so Cooper is on
Speaker 1: He's tethered to this piece of the ship and the
Speaker 1: ship is hurtling off into space with Cooper on it.
Speaker 1: Cooper has no real means of he has no means
Speaker 1: of getting He doesn't have like a jet pack wearing
Speaker 1: a jet pack, which is terrible because I mean NASA
Speaker 1: and has jet packs and Standard and every space suit
Speaker 1: and I guess standards just slipped anyway, standards. First thing
Speaker 1: he does is he detaches himself from the rotating uh stuff,
Speaker 1: which is problematic too. And that if you were on
Speaker 1: a rotating piece of equipment and then you let go somehow,
Speaker 1: and considering that you weigh less than the rotating piece
Speaker 1: of a pit, meant you're going to start moving at
Speaker 1: a slightly different rate of speed, and your your mass
Speaker 1: is different. You're still conserving the angular momentum, so but
Speaker 1: your mass is different, so you're gonna speak, You're gonna
Speaker 1: turn faster. So we can see this on Earth if
Speaker 1: you are on say ice skates, and you start spinning
Speaker 1: and then you pull your arms in, or you can
Speaker 1: try this in your office if you like, sit on
Speaker 1: a chair that can spin around and around, have someone
Speaker 1: start spinning. You have your arms out, and then start
Speaker 1: pulling your arms in. You will start to spin faster
Speaker 1: if you're do If you're listening to this in an
Speaker 1: office right now, I recommend doing this and just seeing
Speaker 1: just to see what reaction your cod and tell everybody
Speaker 1: when they ask you why you're doing that, that Josh
Speaker 1: and Chuck told you to because we don't want to
Speaker 1: heat anyway. So if you were to actually detach yourself,
Speaker 1: you would start spinning even faster. This is also a
Speaker 1: problem I have with the film, uh Gravity, which I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a spoiler because it happens within the trailer.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Um. He then ends up designed to use
Speaker 1: his oxygen supply as a means of propelling himself back
Speaker 1: to the event horizon, and he vents his oxygen and
Speaker 1: rockets back to the ship. I have a couple of
Speaker 1: problems with the way this was depicted. Yeah, and just
Speaker 1: the fact that it would be physically impossible, the fact
Speaker 1: that he would Yeah, he would have no way of
Speaker 1: really directing your flight in a meaningful way, and nor
Speaker 1: would you necessarily be flying without going into an even
Speaker 1: crazier tailspin. Yeah, it's kind of It's problematic, but you know, dramatic,
Speaker 1: it's fun Cooper. So Cooper becomes a superspaceman and flies
Speaker 1: back to the event horizon. Um, and then I've got uh.
Speaker 1: I only have one other real note and I'll and Lauren,
Speaker 1: I'll ask you what else you have to say about this.
Speaker 1: But the last bit is the event Horizon has a
Speaker 1: whole breach in the bridge area, and at this point
Speaker 1: the possessed doctor Weir spoiler alert is is attacking Laurence
Speaker 1: Fishburne not the not the character. It's Lawrence fish They've
Speaker 1: got they've gone so meta. No, it's Laurence Fishburn's captain character.
Speaker 1: So dr you're possessed is attacking the captain and the
Speaker 1: breach the hall has breached dr where gets flung out
Speaker 1: into space technically blown out into space, not sucked out
Speaker 1: because the air pressure. So the captain ends up trying
Speaker 1: to crawl up or crawled past where the the hallway
Speaker 1: ends at the bridge, so they can seal it off
Speaker 1: and thus repressurize part of the event Horizon did not
Speaker 1: get blown out into space. I'm not sure that you'd
Speaker 1: be able to do that, Like, I don't considering how
Speaker 1: much was flying past him, I don't know that you
Speaker 1: would have the strength to hold on, but or that
Speaker 1: the materials they was holding onto its just right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I felt very much the same way. I think
Speaker 1: that if um, I think that would be hard enough
Speaker 1: in the kind of pressure differentiation that you've got in
Speaker 1: an airplane, let alone in in the vacuum of space. Right.
Speaker 1: So so it's he has herculean strength, and he manages
Speaker 1: to make it Laurence Fishburn, he manages to make it
Speaker 1: into the hallway. Not only does he make it into
Speaker 1: the hallway, he's also able to rescue a fellow crew
Speaker 1: member and pull her to safety before closing the doors
Speaker 1: and sealing it off. UM. I also thought that this
Speaker 1: would probably make their problem of very little breathable air
Speaker 1: somewhat exacerbated, right. And also also I was confused that
Speaker 1: within this very same movie, a little bit earlier on
Speaker 1: one of the other crew members, um head Head, in
Speaker 1: a hallucination driven fit, locked himself an air lock and
Speaker 1: was going to blow himself out into space. And as
Speaker 1: that cabin depressurized, UM, it gave you a lot of
Speaker 1: really great practical gore effects of of his of his
Speaker 1: veins starting to pop, and his eyes bleeding, and all
Speaker 1: of these, all of these terrible, terrific horror elements. Um
Speaker 1: And and none of that happens to these main characters.
Speaker 1: He's build higher with higher billing, you don't. You don't
Speaker 1: get those easily palpable eyeballs. Oh I see, I see.
Speaker 1: That's that's cool benefit when you raise a rank, you
Speaker 1: just get better eyeball. Uh. At any rate, that is
Speaker 1: the is kind of silly. Do you have any other
Speaker 1: notes that you would like to share? Um? I guess. Also,
Speaker 1: speaking of that airlock situation, it's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: goofy movie tropes, wearing UM, something terrible is about to
Speaker 1: happen in an airlock and you have to hack the door.
Speaker 1: You always have to hack the door, and the hacking
Speaker 1: of the airlock door is always accompanied by UM pulling
Speaker 1: the panel out and mussing about with wires, and it
Speaker 1: always takes approximately four seconds longer to do than you
Speaker 1: actually have. I just I just love that that one
Speaker 1: little silly Well, it's also fun that he curls up
Speaker 1: into a ball, flies out of the airlock, is caught
Speaker 1: by the captain who's in a spacewalk, who jumps back
Speaker 1: into the airlock and manages to get him back into
Speaker 1: the ship. That's pretty amazing. Yeah, it's a Superman rescue.
Speaker 1: It is a Superman rescue. That that is. I think
Speaker 1: later on there's a certain point at which people out
Speaker 1: run some space flames. Yeah, there's some space flame out
Speaker 1: running there's an explosion, right, Yeah, there's also you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't really mention it. The pathway to get to
Speaker 1: the gravity drive. The hallway that goes through to the
Speaker 1: gravity drive itself is lined with explosives just in case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's explosives to separate the bridge from the gravity
Speaker 1: driving case of cases failure. Everyone who has watched Star
Speaker 1: Trek nows sometimes it's really important to separate the dish
Speaker 1: from it. Here exactly, you can use it as a
Speaker 1: life I don't think you would necessarily need a neck
Speaker 1: that long to be able to do this, But that's okay. Now,
Speaker 1: the thing I was going to talk about is that
Speaker 1: really short hallway where you've got the spinning saw blades
Speaker 1: of death all around you. What was that for effect? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was creepy. I know that doctor Weir said something
Speaker 1: in passing as they were walking down the hallway, but
Speaker 1: it literally made no sense to me. Yeah, me, me neither.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't catch what he said. I I
Speaker 1: kind of like I was sort of watching it, going
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to rewind for that one because
Speaker 1: I'm not going to explain in any satisfying way what
Speaker 1: this this hallway of soft teeth is doing here. It
Speaker 1: kind of makes me think of all the parodies of
Speaker 1: Star Wars and other movies where the characters are standing
Speaker 1: right at the edge of a really sharp drop in
Speaker 1: the middle of like the Death Star, and like, why
Speaker 1: don't we put up a railing? You know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of that same sort of why did we put all
Speaker 1: these jagged saw blades around this corridor? For? My favorite
Speaker 1: part about that corridor though, is the dramatic tension involved
Speaker 1: in it, because it is one of the few places
Speaker 1: on the ship that something bodily horrible does not happen
Speaker 1: to anybody, and it so sharp. It looks like a
Speaker 1: tumbler specifically for killing people. It looks it looks like
Speaker 1: welcome to the abattoir corridor. This is where we will
Speaker 1: grind you into teeny tiny bits, but it never happens.
Speaker 1: It is pretty interesting. Um but but you know, I
Speaker 1: so so overall, I'm going to give this film a
Speaker 1: um a gold star for trying. I enjoyed it for
Speaker 1: what it was. It's a fun, schlocky kind of horror movie.
Speaker 1: There's some great bad acting in it. I think that
Speaker 1: I think that Sam Neil did uh did a good
Speaker 1: job as a really overblown dramatic and yeah, it's fun,
Speaker 1: so certainly something that if you are of the appropriate
Speaker 1: age and you like horror movies, you should check it out.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it so uh. Yeah. This wraps up our discussion.
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