WEBVTT - There's a Halloween Event on the Horizon 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.520 Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from stuff 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:15.080 dot Com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.560 Jonathan Spooky Strickland and I'm Lauren I didn't prepare a 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:20.880 pun voc obamb Yeah, and we're gonna have our special 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:25.640 Halloween episode, Spooky Halloween episode. Yeah. We we started talking 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:28.000 about what we could possibly cover for Halloween, and it 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:30.000 turns out that, you know, tech Stuffs covered a lot 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.760 of things in the more than five episodes that we 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.120 have in our in our back catalog. Crazy thing that 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.680 I read, I recommended, like, oh we could do Airman's 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.600 and Jonathan's like covered it. It's like ghost tours covered it, 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.640 like ghost hunting technology and like, Yeah, that was a 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.920 that was a particularly um energetic discussion. Chris was trying 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.040 to keep me from exploding the entire time. So we 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.400 thought we'd take a horror movie and look at the 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.640 science and technology in that horror movie as well, just 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.040 kind of discussed what that horror movie is all about, 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.040 sort of the same way we did in Dependence Day 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.760 back for the Fourth of July. Now, there aren't that 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.039 many horror movies that we could think of that have 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.000 a heavy tech angle. There are some and there are plenty. 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:11.839 And we also, I mean, you know, we we wanted 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.840 to do something that isn't um as completely offensive as 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:17.640 as it could be. I mean, you know, it's the 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.200 movie that we chose is rated are and um, I 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.360 think both of us enjoy it, uh for yeah, from 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.200 a kind of tongue in cheek way. Sometimes I I 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.320 genuinely enjoy this film, but it is not what I 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:32.360 would call a good movie. It is Event Horizon. Yes, 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.440 it is a space movie. It's a movie set in space. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.840 It's all about space. Let's go ahead and give you 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.319 an overview of what the basic plot is in case 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.120 you haven't seen it. Right, Although I will say that 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.640 that this this discussion is going to involve lots of spoilers, 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:48.480 and and like I said, we do enjoy this movie. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.200 I want you to see it and to not be 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.560 spoiled when you go into it. So if you have 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:55.800 not ever seen the film, and you are of an 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.320 appropriate agent constitution to watch a thing with with kind 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:04.080 of gory va island and uh mild nudity occasional cursing, 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.520 then maybe maybe just turn this podcast off and wait 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:08.919 until you can watch the movie. Right now, I will 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.720 say since the film came out, all bets are off. 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.960 So here we go. Basic plot, All right, You've got 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:19.120 a ship, it's called the Event Horizon, and it's supposedly 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.560 a research ship that's meant to explore the further reaches 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.760 of our solar system. And on its maiden voyage it 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:31.639 disappeared somewhere just beyond Neptune. Now that happens in the 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:36.840 year seven years later. A research alright, rescue ship rather, 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.520 it sent out, sent out with a particular engineer, a 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:44.840 scientist who had worked on the Event Horizons propulsion system 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.160 actually designed the entire ship. Yeah, so he's he's going 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.440 along with them. They don't know what their mission is 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.160 when they first leave, but they are to go out 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.360 to Neptune and try and find the origin of a 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:00.600 mysterious transmission that apparently came from it's coming in Avtterrize 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.360 and and and rescue the ship of the crew if 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.320 it all possible. Right, So they go out there, and 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.560 bad stuff happens, y'all. First of all, it turns out 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:12.320 that the event Horizons secret propulsion system is something that 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.639 is called a gravity drive in the movie, and the 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.240 ideas that it kind of in messes with space. Right, 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.880 it creates a black hole essentially, and we'll get into 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.760 that a little bit more later on. That's yeah, Well, 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.320 we'll discuss the entire black hole thing at length because 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.840 it's interesting. It's what's really interesting is how much of 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.920 the science the movie at least attempted to get right. Yeah. Yeah, 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:36.800 I want to give it a lot of kudos. I do. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.560 I do think that it really tried, Like gold Star, 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.000 you tried. It didn't just use black hole as some 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.000 sort of magic, magic placeholder, right. They tried to find 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.640 a way of explaining this, and there there is some 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.640 scientific basis for some other stuff they talk about anyway. 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.080 But because it's a horror movie, um, when it tried 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.880 to create this hole in spacetime to travel through, instead, 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.800 it accidentally ended up in a hell dimension. Yeah, the 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.240 idea brought a bunch of Hell back with it and 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.000 is haunted. The ship is haunted by Hell and or 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:11.160 is Hell itself. Yeah, it could actually be possessed. It's 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.320 a little weird. Yeah. So the idea of being that 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:17.560 that when the gravity drive is is activated, the ship 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.000 travels through a dimension, in this case a hellish dimension 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:25.560 of pure chaos and evil as what character says, and uh, 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.000 and that yeah, it brings something back. And the crew 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.640 is deader than dead, super dead. Yeah, they are so dead. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:37.000 You see lots of really really dead people and uh. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.839 And then the rescue mission comes aboard and tries to 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.040 do what they're supposed to do, and then hilarity ensues. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.680 We won't spoil everything, but essentially, obviously you have to 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.760 dismantle the rescue ship or else they could just leave, 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.680 so that gets taken care of. Uh. Then you have 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.280 to separate out the crew members for various reasons and 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.039 then have terrible things happened to them. And all this 0:04:56.120 --> 0:05:02.920 happens at great gore and detail, and it's entertaining. It's 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.479 not at all. It's not Shakespeare, but it's fun. I 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:08.839 really appreciate that the film and this was this was 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:12.719 directed by Paul Anderson. A Paul Anderson. He has some 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:14.960 initials in there somewhere that I'm completely missing and I 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.000 did not write them down. But he's the same guy 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.919 who directed the Mortal Kombat movie. Yes, he said that 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.080 he wanted to have a turn at directing something a 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:27.599 little more eyebrow. No, he was talking about gory. He 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.080 wanted to make he wanted a chance to make an 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.720 R rated picture after That's right, because Mortal Kombat was 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.440 PG thirteen, um And and I and I do, like 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.200 I said, I want to give the film a lot 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.599 of kudos, you know. Okay, So it starts out with 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.599 this brief timeline, and I'd say that it was a 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.160 hopeful but not completely ridiculous timeline. They were saying that 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.880 the first permanent moon colony in this in this science 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:52.039 fiction setting was in uh and that commercial mining on 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:56.360 Mars began in two considering that, you know, we've got 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:00.479 some some outfits here on Earth that are trying to 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.840 get to Mars around that same time period. All right, Yeah, 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:08.520 and the lunar colony in is way too ambitious, but well, 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.760 but back there was no way of knowing that the 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.160 space program was going to going to have so many 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:19.400 financial hits. Um So, yeah, getting into it. One thing 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.360 that confused me was the idea of even having a ship. 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.640 Now the cover the event Horizons Outer Solar System Exploration, 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.479 which the cover story, yeah it was just say code 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.960 black the real reason. That's the actual thing that they 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:33.400 said in the film, And I'm still not sure what 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.599 that means. It sounds really nifty, right. I guess it 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.359 just means super duper secret, y'all. You have to know 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.159 the secret handshake in order to get access to it. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.440 But the thing that made me confused was just the 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:46.240 idea of even building a ship for that sort of thing. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.760 We've built that people can get out onto the surface 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:52.080 if Neptune and walk around and on gas giants. Yeah, 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.760 that sounds like a great idea. Um, you know, really 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.360 hot gas giants where the winds are two point one 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.680 thousand kilometers perout right, that's exactly that and has the 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.479 most high force winds in the entire Solar System. Not 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.880 a not a very nice place to go visit. Yeah, 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.920 so it's and lots of methane in the atmosphere too, 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.720 not great hydrogen and helium also in the atmosphere. It's 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.120 not a very great planet to to go visit if 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.400 you don't have some massive protection around you. It just 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.080 seems weird because we could do robotic probes that kind 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.480 of stuff for that sort of thing. But whatever, so uh, 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.160 they'll also just get it all the way. This is 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.760 one of those space movies where we do hear sounds 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.560 in space and the initial sequence turns out to be 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.200 a dream sequence. So you can't entirely blame the fact 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.360 that you're hearing a thunderstorm on Neptune from space on 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.040 on the fact that it's Yeah, it's some sort of hallucination, 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.160 hallucination or dream or something. But assuming the rest of 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.880 the movie is not a hallucination or dream, which as 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.000 far as I can tell, that's not the intention. Point. 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:55.320 There's plenty of examples of hearing sound in space, absolutely 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.000 not necessarily that the characters hear it, but the audience 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.360 hears it. Also a good point from from this general 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:06.040 area of the film, they're um, they're showing spaceships as 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.200 being three dimensional and spaces being three dimensional and things 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.200 coming at each other from different angles, which I absolutely 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.480 approve it right, it's not all in the same plane 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.920 like it would be in most Star Trek. Not all 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.880 Star Trek the most control certain points are Trek really 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.680 only discovered that space is multidimensional, I think, and pay 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.840 in the game. Yeah. So there's also some other interesting 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.000 things that they do have artificial gravity in this in 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.720 this universe, we don't know how they generated, although they 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.560 appear to have some other means of controlling gravity. With 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.200 the gravity drive. They talk about using electro magnets to 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.160 control the flow of gravitons. Uh, gravitons right now are 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:46.800 a hypothetical particle. We think they exist based upon the math, 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:51.240 but we have not identified or observed gravitons. But but 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.520 I'm cool with this science fiction film positing that we're 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.880 going to discover the graviton particle within the next forty years. Okay, 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:01.120 thirty years. Yeah, right, that's right. Sorry, I'm old. That's cool. 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.720 So so it's it's yeah, it's it's one of those 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.079 things where maybe if they discovered gravitons, they also figured 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.120 out how to create artificial gravity, because what they are 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:14.160 not doing is creating it through rotating a spaceship or 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:18.120 space station in order to use the centripetal force to 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:23.040 kind of fake gravity. Right, So you know, we're well, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.920 we'll give him that too. I won't. I don't understand ever, 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.800 shaving with a straight razor. I don't have to shave 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.679 my face, so I just don't think that's a wise 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.160 idea to do in space. But then, I mean, if 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.480 you've got artificial gravity, you're pretty This is this is 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.640 Sam Neil's character. Sam Neil playing the the physicist who, 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.000 as it turns out, designed this event horizonship and um 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.640 and he's got some problems that the film goes into 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.920 pretty extensively, and so the straight razor, as it turns out, 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:55.319 is symbolic. You find out that his wife committed suicide 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:59.280 with a straight which makes me even more concerned for 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.559 him that he's using that to shave with. Y'all, this 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.920 is a bad This is going bad places. A psychologist 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.680 would probably have a few things to say about it. Uh. 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.960 I thought that the space station that Samuel's character is 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:13.480 on at the beginning of the film was a little 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.680 odd in that it's think of a massive grid made 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.760 out of like scaffolding, or if you've ever worked on 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.080 a theater set where you've got the grid that you 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.000 hang the lights off of that looks like the skeleton 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.480 of this space station and just looks like a massive 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.000 grid of this stuff, like the set to Stomp or something. Yeah, 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:35.320 And occasionally you have these habitats that are you know, 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.160 you could tell that they're these these things that are 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.960 connected to the gritting grid structure that are where everyone lives, 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.040 but they don't seem to be connected to each other 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.000 like they're on different parts of the grid, and this 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.800 thing isn't to be connected. Yeah, you wouldn't really want 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.880 to spacewalk in between them. The spacewalking is pretty dangerous. 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:57.960 And lower orbit, which exact a little title comes up 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.240 that says lower I didn't pay attention to that point, 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.079 and I took notes, and I could not remember if 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.440 the space station was an orbit around Earth or Mars, 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.240 because there were comments that made me think, well, maybe 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.120 they were in orbit of Mars. So that makes some 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.000 of the rest of this discussion much easier for me. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.319 But I did think it was neat that it looked modular, 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.040 which meant, you know, that makes sense. You would want 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.000 to be able to build onto any sort of permanent 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.200 space station UH in a way that would allow you 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.400 to not have to reinvent the wheel every time. So 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.719 if it's modular, you just add a new module on. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.800 That makes sense, So all right, I'm giving it that too. 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.440 The rescue ship is called the Lewis and Clark UH, 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:41.280 named after the explorers who quote unquote discovered lots of 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.240 stuff in America. If you can consider people who had 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.000 been living there for hundreds and hundreds of years to 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:53.199 be not important enough to say they discovered it, but hey, um, 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.040 I thought the design of this was a little weird, 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.680 particularly the bridge. I wrote down that they're seating structure 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.120 that main happens. Chair drives me crazy. So so this 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:05.000 is a bridge in which all of the you know, 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.960 crew member chairs are normal kind of chairs. They can 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.000 roll around a little bit, but they basically a fixed 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.720 so the ground kind of like office chairs chairs. Ish um, 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.320 And this captain's chair is suspended from this kind of 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.800 track in the ceiling, like a like a roller coaster seat. 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:27.040 And it looks really goofy And I'm not sharing what 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.040 they were going. Lawrence Fishburn, who plays the Captain, sits 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:31.800 in this chair. It means that his feet are actually 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.520 dangling off the ground. He's not, he doesn't have contact 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.080 with the ground. It allows him to turn si degrees 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.680 and move along this track, But so would a chair 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.880 with wheels on it and or standing up. Yeah, so 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.000 I don't understand this because if you were to argue, 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.640 well this way, if there were some sort of problem, 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.720 his chair wouldn't go sliding all over the room. But 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.800 then everyone else's chairs seemed to have that ability. There's 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.280 one guy who pushes back from his workstation and rolls 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.959 halfway across the bridge. So if you're not going to 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.120 do it for everybody, don't do it for anyone. That's 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.679 what I say. Let's make this fair. Gosh darn't it um. 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.920 But yeah, I just thought that was a weird thing. Yeah, No, 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:08.440 I I did want to say that. I that I 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.880 do actually like the design aesthetic of the Lewis and 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.760 Clark because it's more functional than pretty most of the time, 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.040 and I feel like it's very much based in the 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:20.840 general aesthetic of today's NASA ships. Right, it looks, it 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.480 looks like it's functional. It doesn't look like it's made 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.800 out of you know, it's not. It's not some sort 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.199 of Star Wars type thing where everything is pristine and 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.440 beautiful as long as you're working for the Empire. It's 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.160 it's definitely it's more on the Firefly range where this 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.120 this looks like this is something that does work. It 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.640 doesn't look like it's a set necessarily, you know, it's 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.920 a little bit roomier than perhaps a real spaceship would 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:47.160 be in order to have those those good But but 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:48.719 other than that, I'm willing to give them that it 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.920 reminded me a little bit of like an expanded submarine, 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.720 which is kind of what you would expect down for. Uh. 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.199 The propulsion system I thought was really interesting. They talked 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.880 this is kind of just mentioned offhand and dialogue. That's 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.400 an ion drive, which those really existing. Yeah. Yeah, So 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.920 an ion drive uses thrusters and ionized particles. Those are 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.520 charged particles in order to accelerate. And they can generate 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:14.000 these charged particles and excite them in two major ways 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.800 right now. We have the electro static force, which involves 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.160 usually bombarding particles with electron beams so that you build 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.800 up a negative charge. Uh. And there's also the electro 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.160 magnetic approach, where you use electromagnets to excite these ions 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.800 at any rate. Either way you're using this, you can 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.320 output these ions and create thrust. But the thing about 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.760 this is that it builds acceleration and the accelerating force 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:41.040 is very low, so it reaches very fast acceleration at 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.680 the end of this process. But but it takes a 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.040 minute together. It takes a long time. Yeah, you're talking 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:50.080 about like it's it's continuously accelerating, so it's not like 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.400 it accelerates and then just stops. But the rate of 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:58.360 acceleration is very low, so uh, I'm a little concerned 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.000 that they wouldn't be able to get from Earth to 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:06.520 Neptune in any reasonable amount of time using an ion drive. 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.000 I mean, I guess you could do it, but I 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.240 think it would take longer than fifty six days, which 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.440 is how long it takes within the film. Actually did 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:16.200 do the math, and the current ion fusters that we've 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.880 got can reach speeds of some nine kilometers per second, 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.840 which is over two hundred thousand miles per hour in space, 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.680 which is pretty screaming compared with like the Space Shuttle, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.280 which is about eighteen thousand kilometers per second UM. But 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.120 even if the vehicle could go at that speed, the 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.320 entire distance from Earth to Neptune, which it could not 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.360 see above ree it takes a long time to warm 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.400 up UM, it would still take five d and fifty 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.560 three days unless I did the math wrong, which I don't. 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.680 I don't think it sounds about right because the distance 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:47.240 between Earth and Neptune is about four point four billion kilometers, 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.000 and granted, we're talking about forty years in the future, 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.400 and forty years can bring a lot of technological changes. 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.360 I think it's a possibility, but it's a stretch, yeah, 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.080 cutting it down. I mean, you're just talking about such 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.360 huge distances. And keep in mind four point four billion 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:04.480 kilometers that the average distance between Neptune and Earth, right yeah, 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.520 I calculated that um from the closest point at which 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.360 it's about four point three billion miles right. Yeah. And 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.600 and even then you have to plan it, like just 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.680 as we had to plan the Curiosity Rover to land 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.080 on Mars months in advance, because you know, the orbits 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.680 as the their you know, the plants continue to move 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.640 across their orbital past even after you launch the ship, 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.640 because they do not just hold in place. Yeah, so 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.400 you can't. You can't just launch when they're closest, because 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.000 they'll be moving apart from each other from that moment 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:37.040 moving on. So it's complicated. Um, But at any rate, 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.320 in order to not be bored for some fifty days 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.040 on this ship, that or die I guess the crew 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.600 goes into stasis. Right. They do give the excuse of 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.160 of of at the speeds that we're going, your skull 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.480 would liquefy, which is not true. That is super inaccurate. Okay, yeah, 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.560 they're talking about they would endure forces of excess of 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.880 thirty g s or around thirty g s. That's thirty 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:02.200 times the gravitational force you will here on Earth. All right, 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.320 here's some other issues. First of all, going into stasis. 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.000 That's always a problem, right as far as we understand 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.120 it today, because anything that is going to slow down 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.400 your bodily functions is not really that good for you. 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.880 And most of the time movies portray it as freezing 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.920 or in this case, it's being in this giant. Yeah, 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:21.960 it's it's more liquid than goo. I would say it 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.520 comes out like water, but it's um. That's just not 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.600 good for your body. No, No, your skin will absorb liquid, 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.080 especially once the oils begin to wash off. That's why 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.119 if you spend too long in the bath or the pool, 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.280 your fingers start to prune up. The your epidermis is 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.240 absorbing water. And wherever the epidermis and dermis meat it's anchored, 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.480 that's where you have those those valley parts, the crevices 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.960 that are in the pruney skin, and then the bulgy 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.960 bits that's where all the liquid has been absorbed. So 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.800 imagine that all over your body. It's not great, gives 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.520 rise to potential for bacterial infections. It's bad stuff. Also, 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.159 your muscles would atrophy after you had been spinning that 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.160 much time. We're talking about, you know, two months in 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:07.240 in non you know, motionless, you would be in bad 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.280 shape by the end of that. They don't appear to 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.960 be at all affected in that way. They cough a bit, 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.800 and that's it. Yeah, Sam Neil's character, who is not 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:16.720 used to it, kind of stumbles a little bit and 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.280 like isn't sure if he wants coffee, And that's that's about. 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.720 That's the worst problem he has. But the other side 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.640 of it, the whole thirty G issue. So, first of all, 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:32.280 the the record for enduring gravitational forces goes to UH 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.240 to John Stapp who for a very very short moment 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:40.280 experienced a force of forty six point two gs. He 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:44.760 was doing UH acceleration tests. You know, this was part 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.000 of the whole like, how much can a person endure 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:51.880 um turns out, you know, anything above say twenty geez 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:56.119 or so you're talking eyeballs out gravitational forces. That's what 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.159 they refer to it as. By the way, guys, so 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.399 at four the six point two his eyeball stayed in 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.240 his head. They didn't pop out, but he did suffer 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:08.040 permanent eye damage. He had vision problems for the rest 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.200 of his life. He did live a good long while 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.920 after that. It wasn't like he you know, suffered serious 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.400 health issues that led to his death. But he did 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.679 have serious health issues. They just were chronic and lasted, 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.840 you know, for the rest of his life. So uh, 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:23.680 but at for the six point two g's even at 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:27.000 that incredible amount of force supply to you, your skull 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:30.800 will not liquefy. Your brains and eyeballs might if if 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.520 you're exposed to it for long enough period of time, 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.040 you know, so at certain fifty two days, like a 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:39.680 couple of months, yeah, you might have some issues, uh 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.240 at that point. So yes, it would be deadly. However, 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.560 I'm pretty sure that submerging someone in liquid would not 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.160 mean that you had to get out of jail free 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.639 card for enduring that amount of force, especially not water. 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.399 I don't think that's how it works. No, if you 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.199 if you were suddenly put under the ocean at a 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.280 depth where the sure would be enough to crush you, 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.320 you still get crushed, even if you know the whole 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.199 thing in the abyss where they have to breathe in 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.800 the liquid oxygen is meant to say that if you 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.320 have yeah, if you have air inside your lungs, and 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.040 that's going to pop your lungs. But by putting liquid 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.040 you can endure more pressure. You still are not able 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.960 to endure endless amounts of pressure. So I'm not sure 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.040 that that would necessarily help. But then that brings us 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:29.520 to the kind of computer devices they use, which are tablets. Yeah, 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:33.040 and I think that for seven, it's a pretty Again, 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.200 it's a pretty good estimation of what they were going 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.720 to have. You know, no one working on this movie 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.760 clearly had talked to Steve Jobs and knew that the 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.159 iPad is going to come out. Yeah. Nice seven. That 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:48.200 might have been a little premature. Yeah, yeah, I mean 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.200