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Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from stuff

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Spooky Strickland and I'm Lauren I didn't prepare a

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Speaker 1: pun voc obamb Yeah, and we're gonna have our special

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Speaker 1: Halloween episode, Spooky Halloween episode. Yeah. We we started talking

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Speaker 1: about what we could possibly cover for Halloween, and it

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Speaker 1: turns out that, you know, tech Stuffs covered a lot

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Speaker 1: of things in the more than five episodes that we

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Speaker 1: have in our in our back catalog. Crazy thing that

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Speaker 1: I read, I recommended, like, oh we could do Airman's

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Speaker 1: and Jonathan's like covered it. It's like ghost tours covered it,

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Speaker 1: like ghost hunting technology and like, Yeah, that was a

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Speaker 1: that was a particularly um energetic discussion. Chris was trying

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Speaker 1: to keep me from exploding the entire time. So we

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Speaker 1: thought we'd take a horror movie and look at the

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Speaker 1: science and technology in that horror movie as well, just

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Speaker 1: kind of discussed what that horror movie is all about,

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Speaker 1: sort of the same way we did in Dependence Day

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Speaker 1: back for the Fourth of July. Now, there aren't that

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Speaker 1: many horror movies that we could think of that have

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Speaker 1: And we also, I mean, you know, we we wanted

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Speaker 1: to do something that isn't um as completely offensive as

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Speaker 1: as it could be. I mean, you know, it's the

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Speaker 1: movie that we chose is rated are and um, I

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Speaker 1: think both of us enjoy it, uh for yeah, from

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Speaker 1: genuinely enjoy this film, but it is not what I

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Speaker 1: would call a good movie. It is Event Horizon. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is a space movie. It's a movie set in space.

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Speaker 1: It's all about space. Let's go ahead and give you

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Speaker 1: an overview of what the basic plot is in case

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Speaker 1: that this this discussion is going to involve lots of spoilers,

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Speaker 1: and and like I said, we do enjoy this movie.

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Speaker 1: I want you to see it and to not be

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Speaker 1: spoiled when you go into it. So if you have

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Speaker 1: then maybe maybe just turn this podcast off and wait

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Speaker 1: until you can watch the movie. Right now, I will

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Speaker 1: say since the film came out, all bets are off.

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Speaker 1: So here we go. Basic plot, All right, You've got

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Speaker 1: a ship, it's called the Event Horizon, and it's supposedly

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Speaker 1: a research ship that's meant to explore the further reaches

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Speaker 1: disappeared somewhere just beyond Neptune. Now that happens in the

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Speaker 1: year seven years later. A research alright, rescue ship rather,

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Speaker 1: it sent out, sent out with a particular engineer, a

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Speaker 1: scientist who had worked on the Event Horizons propulsion system

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Speaker 1: actually designed the entire ship. Yeah, so he's he's going

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Speaker 1: along with them. They don't know what their mission is

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Speaker 1: it all possible. Right, So they go out there, and

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Speaker 1: it creates a black hole essentially, and we'll get into

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. It's what's really interesting is how much of

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Speaker 1: I do think that it really tried, Like gold Star,

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Speaker 1: But because it's a horror movie, um, when it tried

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Speaker 1: scientist character goes into this kind of long speel and

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Speaker 1: and all of the other guys like like in English please. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I kind of wish that they had let him

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Speaker 1: go for another half hour because I could have listened

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Speaker 1: to Its hilarious because first he says, well in layman's terms,

432
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Speaker 1: and it's really pretty simple. I mean, it's the simplest

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Speaker 1: description of a black hole you can get to without

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Speaker 1: super dumbing it down, which he ultimately does do. Um.

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Speaker 1: But but it's he's He describes a retaining magnetic field

436
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Speaker 1: focusing a narrow beam of gravitans to fold space time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then this creates a wormhole through which a ship

438
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Speaker 1: can travel. And the idea being that you can fold

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Speaker 1: space time so that the two points that you are

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Speaker 1: interested in, your beginning and your destination, are adjacent to

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Speaker 1: one another, even if in reality they are across the

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Speaker 1: universe from each other. So let's use an example. Let's

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Speaker 1: say that you get an old aisle roadmap. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about a paper roadmap. Okay, You've got a paper roadmap,

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Speaker 1: and you are you want to travel between New York

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Speaker 1: City and Los Angeles, California. And normally you would have

447
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Speaker 1: to trace a pathway that would go along highways and

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Speaker 1: you would travel thousands of miles. But what if you

449
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Speaker 1: could just fold the roadmap so that New York City

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Speaker 1: and Los Angeles were touching one another on the two sides,

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Speaker 1: and then you were able to magically jump between New

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Speaker 1: York City and Los Angeles. Then unfold the map so

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Speaker 1: it's back to its regular space. Suddenly it looks like

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Speaker 1: you've traveled faster than light. You have crossed thousands of

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Speaker 1: miles in an instant, apparently violating Einstein's theory of relativity,

456
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Speaker 1: except for the part where Einstein and Rosen and the

457
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Speaker 1: nineteen thirties I believe came up with a concept of

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Speaker 1: warmholes that allows for this, which says that if you

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Speaker 1: have um a mass on that little New York blip

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Speaker 1: and a mass on the l A blip, that are

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Speaker 1: that are both massive enough to push spacetime towards itself

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Speaker 1: in in the way that spacetime is hypothetically a folded

463
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Speaker 1: moving of spacetime, because matter curves spacetime, and spacetime determines

464
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Speaker 1: how matter moves, then then eventually you're going to get

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Speaker 1: these two points touching. And then if they were touching

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Speaker 1: enough that they could break through, Essentially you're talking of

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Speaker 1: that matter you're removing. You're removing distance. Right, You're you're

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Speaker 1: no longer traveling because you're not traveling faster than light

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Speaker 1: at that moment. At that moment, those two distances are touching.

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Speaker 1: So are those two points are touching, So there isn't

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Speaker 1: a distance between them. If there were a distance between them,

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Speaker 1: and you move faster than light, that's when Einstein says, hey,

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Speaker 1: stop breaking the law. Alright, So let's talk about how

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Speaker 1: is this related to actual real world physics. So from

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Speaker 1: what we understand, what black holes, here's the deal. You

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Speaker 1: gotta You got a star that's at least eight solar

477
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Speaker 1: masses are larger, and as that star dies, it loses energy.

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Speaker 1: The it begins to collapse in on itself, and so

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Speaker 1: it starts to collapse in gravitational forces get stronger. You

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Speaker 1: get this tiny point that gathers all the mass. We

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Speaker 1: usually refer to it in math as being a point

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Speaker 1: that has zero volume, but because there is mass within

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Speaker 1: that zero volume and as infinite density. So you've got

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Speaker 1: this point of infinite density that's creating this incredible gravitational

485
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Speaker 1: poll in a large region around it. Now, we define

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Speaker 1: the region around it where let's say there's a let's

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Speaker 1: say there's an imaginary boundary that you can see around

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Speaker 1: a black hole, which you which they would not be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but let's let's imagine that you can see this boundary,

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Speaker 1: and you know that boundary represents the the section of

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Speaker 1: space where if you were to pass beyond that boundary,

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Speaker 1: you would no longer be able to escape the gravitational

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Speaker 1: pull of that black hole. This is the point of

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Speaker 1: no return. Yeah, this is this is the point where

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Speaker 1: even light itself cannot escape the black hole. It just

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Speaker 1: will go right towards the singularity. Depending upon what the singularity,

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Speaker 1: how the singularity is formed, will get into that in

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Speaker 1: a second. Yeah. Um, so that point that that that area,

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Speaker 1: that region is called the event horizon. And I would

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Speaker 1: like to stay for the record right now. The terrible

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Speaker 1: idea it is to name your ship after the point

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Speaker 1: of no return. Yeah, it's like it's like calling calling

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Speaker 1: your your boat the uh, the Iceberg magnet. You know,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to call your boat Iceberg magnets, or

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Speaker 1: perhaps akin to naming your undersea paradise after something out

506
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Speaker 1: of the Book of Revelation. It's just a terrible or

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Speaker 1: even Atlantis. Yeah, you don't, you know, you don't want

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Speaker 1: to necessarily go with that connotation if you think about

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Speaker 1: it for too long. But yes, so the event horizon

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Speaker 1: is named after this region of space where if you

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Speaker 1: pass through it, you are pretty much guaranteed to go

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Speaker 1: into the singularity. You want to say pretty much guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: There are some caveats, all right. So, because there are

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Speaker 1: different types of black holes, we quantify and we classify

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Speaker 1: black holes based on three basic features. These are pretty

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Speaker 1: much the only features black holes have according to our

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Speaker 1: theory of relativity, because they're weird things. They of mass,

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Speaker 1: they may or may not have spin, and they may

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Speaker 1: or may not have a charge. So the basic black

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Speaker 1: hole that is probably the simplest version, although not the

521
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Speaker 1: most commonly found in the universe, is the swords Child

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Speaker 1: black hole, which has no spin. It does have an

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Speaker 1: event horizon, and essentially this this black hole, you can

524
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Speaker 1: just think of it as a single point in space

525
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Speaker 1: of that infinite density that is pulling you toward it.

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Speaker 1: If you get beyond that event horizon, so it's just

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Speaker 1: everything goes towards the center of that point. You don't

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Speaker 1: have any rotation there. You know, you can try to

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Speaker 1: use thrust to keep you from accelerating into the point.

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Speaker 1: But it's just after a point, it's there's no point

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Speaker 1: in doing that anymore either. Um, you're done. Speghantification is

532
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: on the way, which is where that's the the idea

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Speaker 1: that as you get closer to the black holes gravity

534
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Speaker 1: things elongate and become noodle like, Thus the speghtification. It

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Speaker 1: is uh, probably not terribly pleasant, although I'm guessing you

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Speaker 1: would not be alive at that point anything. I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: not um, but I think more frequently theoretical physicists say

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Speaker 1: that this probably happens more frequently, and also certainly more

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Speaker 1: frequently in films. Is predicted the the care black hole. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the Care k r r H. So the Care black

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Speaker 1: hole is formed from solar masses. Uh. And because stars

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Speaker 1: usually are rotating, there's a rotational force that has to

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Speaker 1: conserve the angular momentum. This is this is another law

544
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Speaker 1: that you have to follow. It has to conserve the

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Speaker 1: angular momentum. So the black hole itself is spinning, right,

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Speaker 1: which is where you get those pretty graphics with with

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Speaker 1: that kind of rotational cloud of stuff falling into a

548
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Speaker 1: blacks The black hole at the center of the Milky

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Speaker 1: Way is rotating. Therefore it's dragging space as it rotates,

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Speaker 1: which causes this rotational force that ends up affecting the

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Speaker 1: entire galaxy. It's pretty remarkable stuff, right. Well. The other

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Speaker 1: interesting thing about this is that that spinning me means

553
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Speaker 1: the singularity at the center of a care hole is

554
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Speaker 1: not a single point like it is in schwartz Child. Instead,

555
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: it's an infinitely thin ring that is also spinning. And

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Speaker 1: they are a little more complicated. They don't have just

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Speaker 1: the event horizon. They also have something called the ergosphere.

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Speaker 1: This is the region of space that is distorted because

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Speaker 1: of the rotational force of this black hole. So this

560
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: is an overly simple model that I'm going to give you.

561
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: It does not directly relate to how we see this

562
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Speaker 1: happening in in the universe. But imagine putting your hand

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Speaker 1: in a container of tranquil water and then moving your

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Speaker 1: hand around and seeing how it disturbs the water. The

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Speaker 1: ergosphere is kind of like that. It's this region where

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Speaker 1: that rotational force is dragging the spacetime and distorting it

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Speaker 1: as a result, which is kind of funky. Um. There's

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Speaker 1: also another little region that's the static limit, that's the

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Speaker 1: boundary between the ergosphere a normal space time that is

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Speaker 1: not being directly dragged and distorted by this black hole. Well,

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Speaker 1: the interesting thing about this theory is that, well, one

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Speaker 1: interesting thing is that some people have proposed the hypothesis

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Speaker 1: that if you were to encounter one of these black

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Speaker 1: holes and you were able to enter the event horizon

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Speaker 1: in a particular way where you could sling shot around

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Speaker 1: that thin rotating singularity, you might not fall into the singularity.

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Speaker 1: You might get shot out again, but you get shot

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Speaker 1: out at a different point in space time. Thus you

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Speaker 1: would have this wormhole theory. I don't know that you

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Speaker 1: can necessarily control exactly where you would end up or

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00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: when you would end up, because spacetime. And there's also

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Speaker 1: the possibility this could allow for time travel, so that

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Speaker 1: increases the Grandfather paradox, and there's other issues that we'd

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Speaker 1: have to get into. That's an entirely different podcast. I

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Speaker 1: don't recommend trying that without about time. I tried doing it,

586
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Speaker 1: but then I went back in time and stopped myself,

587
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Speaker 1: So I'm like, I just can't guys, I mean, I'll

588
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Speaker 1: just do it again, and and the way Back machine

589
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: still in Mongolia, so we're kind of stuck. But so

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Speaker 1: this is a hypothetical possibility. I mean, and and all

591
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Speaker 1: of this, we should say, is based upon theoretical astrophysics,

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Speaker 1: which if you couldn't tell from the name um, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've never gone out in a ship and checked out

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00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: a black hole and been like, that's how it works.

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00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: It's you know, this is all based on the way

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Speaker 1: that we observe electromagnetic radiation behaving in spaces around what

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Speaker 1: we have called black holes. Yeah, and and it's also

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Speaker 1: based on a lot of math that we've tried to

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Speaker 1: make work out. But things like infinite density and zero

600
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Speaker 1: volume it's really hard to deal with. It's it's impossible

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Speaker 1: for us to truly conceive of it. It's beyond our

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Speaker 1: our ability to do so. And in fact, some people

603
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Speaker 1: have gone so far, and I don't think it's that

604
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Speaker 1: far really, but to say that singularity is really more

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Speaker 1: of a placeholder, Like the terms we're using our placeholders

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Speaker 1: that are good enough for now, but we need better clarification,

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Speaker 1: and some integration of the quantum model of physics might

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Speaker 1: end up clarifying these terms so that we we don't

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Speaker 1: just have these vague placeholders. Right there is speaking of

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Speaker 1: quantum stuff. Um there scientists start theorizing that this is

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Speaker 1: happening at the quantum level, like a like at the

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Speaker 1: plunk kind of level of particles, wormholes are being created.

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Speaker 1: Uh a lot. Yeah, well that was one of the

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Speaker 1: things that they talked about with the large hadron colliders,

615
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Speaker 1: that these collisions could result in tiny little black holes

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Speaker 1: that are on the you know, atomic or smaller scale

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Speaker 1: and last less than a you know, like a like

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Speaker 1: a nanosecond long, that's how long they last. But of

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Speaker 1: course that knowing that they were going to make some

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Speaker 1: black holes, that made some media outlets go, oh, we're

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Speaker 1: all gonna get sucked into a black hole and die.

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Speaker 1: And thus we had things like, you know, has the

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Speaker 1: world been destroyed by the large Hadron collider and you

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Speaker 1: go to the u r L and it would say no. Um.

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Speaker 1: But one interesting thing, there's a paper published in the

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Speaker 1: Physical Review Letters recently by Rodolfo Gambini and Jorge Pullin,

627
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Speaker 1: and it was about a quantum black hole model in

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Speaker 1: which the black hole doesn't have a singularity but rather

629
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Speaker 1: is a gateway. So this gateway would put you into

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Speaker 1: possibly another universe, not necessarily another dimension, but another universe. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There's some issues with this that we'd have to explore.

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Speaker 1: It may very well be true, and it may be

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Speaker 1: that this is the beginning of replacing those placeholders like

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Speaker 1: singularity with more specific terms. But some of the problems

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Speaker 1: involved things like, well, you probably still wouldn't survive any

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Speaker 1: kind of trip through a black hole the title forces

637
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: you would undergo as you would go through this intense

638
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: gravity would still squish you and kill you if you

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Speaker 1: did somehow find a way to survive. There's no guarantee

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Speaker 1: that what universe you would uh end up in would

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Speaker 1: have the same laws of physics that our universe has,

642
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: and thus you end up dying anyway because physics don't

643
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: work um. And then there's the problem of, well, if

644
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: there are black holes in various universes, they are connecting

645
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: each other together, where are the outputs, Because we don't

646
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: see any in our universe. Where are the white holes

647
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: these these holes where matter from the black hole on

648
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: the other end is being spewed out into the universe.

649
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: Because if the black hole end is pulling everything in,

650
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: the white hole end must be pushing everything back out.

651
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: And if we don't see evidence of that in our

652
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: universe either, that means that we only have exits, no entrances,

653
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: or there's some other problems with this uh this uh theory,

654
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: or it may just be that we haven't found a

655
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: way to observe it yet. I don't know. Maybe it

656
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: turns out that white holes are the source of all

657
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: dark dark matter, which represents more mass than anything else

658
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: we can observe. We don't know what dark matter is.

659
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: Maybe that's it. If it turns out to be that,

660
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: you can mail my Nobel Prize our addresses on the website.

661
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: So at any rate, we're going to assume that in

662
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: the movie they want to open up a care black

663
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: hole k E er R not c A r E,

664
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: and they're going to use that to zip over to

665
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: some other part of the universe, and that things went wrong.

666
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: So I think you think it's safe to say that

667
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: that's more or less what they meant based upon what's

668
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: said in the film. I feel like that's extrapolating, but

669
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: a fair extrapolation. I mean, you know, I think that

670
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: he was talking about a pretty straight wormhole kind of situation.

671
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to justify it anyway. Again, I mean,

672
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: it could be that that the science and event horizon

673
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: back in was ahead of its time, and that the

674
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: quantum research that we're talking about right now ends up

675
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: being exactly what or more or less what they were

676
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: saying in that movie, which would be kind of cool

677
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: because then you're like, well, the science was wrong, but

678
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: then it was right again based upon our understanding. Well,

679
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: we've got a lot more to say now that we've

680
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: got the black hole stuff out of the way, But

681
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Speaker 1: check that out. All right, so let's get back to

712
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: the movie. Now. We've talked about the gravity drive, we

713
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: talked about the iron propulsion, we talked about whether or

714
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: not your skull would liquefy. Surely we've gotten through all

715
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,959
Speaker 1: the problems. Right, Oh, we were actually still pretty early

716
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: in the movie. This only takes us up through before

717
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: they're even on the titular event horizons. We've got a

718
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: lot of ground, We've got a lot of space to cover. Yeah, okay, alright,

719
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: so the alright there, there's a good side and a

720
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: bad side to this, Lauren. The good side is that

721
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: pretty soon we're gonna be talking about supernatural stuff which

722
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with technology, and then we're okay,

723
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: right right, because when you start talking about hell dimensions

724
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: invading I'm like, well, I'll give that a pass because

725
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have any data how that

726
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: would work. It doesn't involve technology or any science that

727
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: we understand at this moment, so therefore we cannot comment

728
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: on it. However, there are some science stuff we can

729
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: talk about. Yeah, okay. So, so when our search and

730
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: rescue crew of the Lewis and Clark arrived at the

731
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: event horizon, it is I guess it's supposed to be

732
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: an orbit of Neptune. That's that was what I felt

733
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be. It's in the orbit around Neptune,

734
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: but it's it's kind of within Neptune's atmosphere because there

735
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: are all of these big storms going on, and it

736
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: is accurate that there would be big storms on Neptune.

737
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: Um it is much much like Jupiter. It has these

738
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: very giant, very violent, um slightly quicker storms. The storms

739
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: and Jupiter are much longer lasting. Right. But here's the

740
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: problem is that if that ship were in fact in

741
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: within the atmosphere, that atmosphere would slow the ship's pathway

742
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: down so much that would have just the orbit would

743
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: have decayed much more rapidly. The ship would be crashing

744
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: into Neptune. So the clouds there are a problem because

745
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: it would suggest that it's too late the If it's

746
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: truly an orbit, it would be above the atmosphere. But

747
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: since it's in the atmosphere, I think that we have

748
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: to say this is for the spooky effect, because how

749
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: can you have a haunted house movie in space without

750
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: a thunderstorm going on outside? Right, I'd say pretty easily. Um,

751
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: you can totally. I mean I've seen Alien and that

752
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: basically work, which isn't a haunted House situation, but still close.

753
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: It's close. I mean, you know, you fall, we're playing

754
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: upon the same primal fears obviously. Um, I'm just amazed

755
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: there weren't space wolves howling outside the windows of the ship.

756
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: But actually there were enough characters having hallucinations that I

757
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: am I am, I am actually shocked that they did

758
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: not have space wolves. Yeah. Well, maybe we missed it

759
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: because some of those were like montages of really fast

760
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: clips of you know, this just looks like a Clive

761
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: Barker nightmare scenario smashed into half a second. So maybe

762
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: there were some space wolves in there. We don't know,

763
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: but there definitely was a stormy Um. If anyone, by

764
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: the way, he wants to photoshops and space wolves into

765
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: some footage from from the Horizon, I would look in

766
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: at you, Aaron Cooper, and I'm absolutely willing to read

767
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: your name on air. Yea. So um, all right, what

768
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: about the way that they before they get on the

769
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: event horizon, they decide to take a look and see

770
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: if there's anything alive on it. They do a life scan.

771
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: All right, Well, there's a bunch of life scanning related

772
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: technology that happens in this middle portion of the film.

773
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: And uh and yes one is from the Lewis and Clark.

774
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: And then once they get onto the ship, they've got

775
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: these little shiny laser related hand devices mostly looks like

776
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: a laser that's put through a splitter of some sort,

777
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure how that would work. Maybe it's uh,

778
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm thinking thermal, that's the closest it was. Something that

779
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: is warmer than the than the surrounding environment would suggest

780
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: a life form, or if you've got extremely sensitive audio technology,

781
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: I suppose that you could scan for heartbeats or something

782
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: like that, right, you know, now we know that in

783
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: other science fiction shows and movies, things like Star Trek,

784
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: they have life form scanning technology that can even identify

785
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: things like, uh, creatures, blood type, if they have far

786
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: it or a brain wave or something like Yeah, but

787
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: there's no explanation here, not not that we necessarily expect it.

788
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly, if this movie were to explain every

789
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: single piece of science and something really long, and I

790
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: would watch it forever, actually, that would be I would

791
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: love that movie. It would be called Arthur C. Clark's

792
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: Toothings than One is what it would be called. And

793
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: there'll probably be fewer, fewer hell demons, but maybe more

794
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: space wolves. I'm honestly more confused about that. That visual

795
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: of the of the split laser thing on board, because

796
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: if you're using I mean, if if it's just a

797
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 1: method to let the operator know where he's pointing the beam,

798
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: where she is pointing the beam, then then I guess

799
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: that counts. But otherwise, if it's if it's a visual

800
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: light spectrum analysis, it's not going to penetrate anything, and

801
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: they're clearly trying to sweep rooms with it would make

802
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: it pretty easy, which means that you could do something

803
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: else like use your eyes, you know those things that

804
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: each of the characters had no well for a while anyway,

805
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: So of the characters don't end up with eyes because

806
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, spoiler alert, where we're going, we don't need

807
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what he says. Uh, So I have

808
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: here in my notes. This is a says, not so

809
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: much a note as an observation. This is just one

810
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: of those things I picked up on while I was

811
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: watching the movie. The docking bay, that the event horizon,

812
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: well that the Lewis and Clark uses to access the

813
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: event horizon is for reasons that are never explained, docking

814
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: bay thirteen. It's x I I I in Roman numerals,

815
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: so it's thirteen. Uh. The doctor Weir, Sam Neil's character.

816
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: We didn't name him earlier in the podcast, but Lauren

817
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: reminded me that the character does infact have a name,

818
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: is not just SAMs character. Um Dr Weir says that

819
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: it's the main docking bay. So I don't know why

820
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: your main docking bay would be thirteen. I guess this

821
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: is just one of those little you know, winks to

822
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: the audience, or you could explain it as being, um

823
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: a representation of a how much doctor we are need

824
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: psychiatric help. Yeah, that will get a lot more indication

825
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: of that in a very short while. When they get

826
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: aboard the event Horizon. So they do the scan. It

827
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: does not come back with any anything that would suggest

828
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: a life form. But then they say, well, we're gonna

829
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: have to do this the old fashioned way, room by room. Well,

830
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: they say that there's these weird like kind of amorphous

831
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: sort of sort of blobs of life forms kind of everywhere,

832
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: and that they're not seeing any individual human people, which

833
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: is what they're looking for. So they decided to go

834
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: onto the ship exactly. So a couple of the guys

835
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: they create an umbilicus, a pathway that will connect the

836
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: two ships. This is something else. That confused me. All right,

837
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: So the Lewis and Clark has artificial gravity. The event

838
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: horizon normally would have artificial gravity, but that system is

839
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: down exactly. They connect an umbilicus between the Lewis and

840
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: Clark and the event horizon. As soon as the characters

841
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: getting into the umbilicus, they're in a zero G environment.

842
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: Back aboard the Lewis and Clark, you still have artificial gravity.

843
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm wondering where you cut that off, Like, how does

844
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: the artificial gravity. No, clearly the artificial gravity the gravitons

845
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: get into your air supply, and so if you're not

846
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: sharing air supplies, then you're not sharing. Almost certain air

847
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: supply did not supply any of the music in this movie.

848
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and watch it again to

849
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: see if air supply is in this film, but I

850
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: don't think it is. All right, So anyway, that was

851
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: another little goofy bit. So they do a quick tour

852
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: of the ship. You have some characters going towards the

853
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: front of the ship, which is where the bridge is,

854
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: in the living quarters, the medical center, all of that

855
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: is on the front end. And this is before they

856
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: get all of these systems back up. So everyone is

857
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: in uh you know, low gravity um, and and it's

858
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: and it's very everything is still extremely cold. They don't

859
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: have temperature online. They have magnetic boots which allow them

860
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: to stick to the floor. I appreciated that they at

861
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: least said like, hey, we've got magnetic boots. And they

862
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: even showed a little like this is an engaging kind

863
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: of kind of sequen. I forgot thought that was a

864
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: nice nod too. Maybe this could be like reality science ish.

865
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: I did have a problem in that they talk about

866
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: how the temperature is below freezing and you see frozen

867
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: droplets of water floating through the event horizon. But there's

868
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: also this water bottle. I assume it's a water bottle,

869
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: looks very much like a water bottle, and it is

870
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: clearly full of liquid and liquid form noises. So how

871
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: did that not freeze? Unless, of course, it's not water

872
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: in that water bottle. It could be another liquid that

873
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 1: has a lower freezing point. Um. I can only assume

874
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: that it is the viscera of hell. Yeah, I was

875
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: sinking vodka. But anyway, alright, so, uh, you know, honestly,

876
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that vodka is the visca. It's probably

877
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: fairly active, both of our Okay, yeah, we're we're both right.

878
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: That's I'm cool with that. So some of the people

879
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: go towards the forward part of the ship, where by

880
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: the way that the forward part of the ship where

881
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: the bridge and living cores and everything, all of that

882
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: is separated by an incredibly long hallway from gravity drive

883
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: engineering section sectually, specifically, the gravity drives really the only

884
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: thing we ever see on that other side of the ship, right,

885
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: even though it's the largest part of the ship, we

886
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: really just see the gravity drive and in the the

887
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: the labyrinthian hallways that surround the gravity drive for no

888
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: apparent reason. Because weird needs help. Yeah, um, this long

889
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: neck I thought was pretty odd when I first saw

890
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: the design of the ship. I was like, why would

891
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: you want a neck that long? And the only thing

892
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: that I could come up with is if then the

893
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: world they talk about, you know, the gravity fluctuations, maybe

894
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: those fluctuations could adversely affect the crew, and by creating

895
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: this distance, by creating this long neck like corridor, you

896
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: minimize that. Maybe that's the reason, so I can justify

897
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: I'm willing to give them that so, but otherwise you're

898
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: just thinking like, why is the ship It's basically a

899
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: plot device. It looks cool and it looks cool, and

900
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: you get that good dramatic tension of needing to have

901
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: people run up and down it and during important or

902
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: fly up and down it when the gravity is not

903
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: you know, but or float I guess would be the

904
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: more accurate, right, speaking of so they do, they do

905
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: turn on the ship's interior gravity, so no one has

906
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: to have expensive effects anymore for for a while, for

907
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: a while, not until we get to the end. And

908
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: so we see lots of water splashing down onto the

909
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: floor and things like that. It was neat, neat little effect. Um,

910
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: did you notice the ship's log that it's on. It's

911
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: on an optical disc like a DVD or a CD. Yeah,

912
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: so this was made so we have to give it

913
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: that allowance. But it was so funny to me that

914
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,959
Speaker 1: there's a disc and it's caught inside the computer system. Right. Yeah.

915
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: My specific note I think was like, oh, yes, optical disc, yes, right,

916
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, why go back? Yeah, I'm we're just lucky

917
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: it's on eight track. Uh yeah, So the ship's log

918
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: is stored on an optical disc, which we thought was

919
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: adorable and this is about when the crew discovers this

920
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: gravity drive the Doctor Weir has created um and it

921
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: looks like something out of Hell. Raser. Yeah, I said,

922
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: it looks like the same designer who made the limit configuration,

923
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: which is the puzzle box in Hell Razer would in

924
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: this case, it's Dr Weir must have seen that, because

925
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: that's what the interior of his gravity drive room looks like.

926
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: I am so I am so worried for him. I honestly,

927
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that he was doing well when he

928
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: was creating this. The entire esthetic design of this ship

929
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: is very much in contrast to the design of the

930
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: Lewis and Clark, which is kind of rough and tumble

931
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: and and has been little ben utilitarian, And the interior

932
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: of this ship reminds me of nothing more than like

933
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: a nineteenth century insane asylum. You've got this this very

934
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: these very brick like metal panels in various places, and

935
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: we've got all of this weird Victorian style detailing and

936
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: razy machinery. So it's kind of a combination with of

937
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: that asylum. And like, imagine that you've been shrunk down

938
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: and then thrown into the home Depot power tools section.

939
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: So You've got these enormous like drill like things that

940
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: are turning around you for no apparent reason. Um. I

941
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: and there's there's a corridor and the end of the

942
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: film that has shaped like a coffin, and I'm just like,

943
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: you guys, seriously, you guys, this is amazing. No One

944
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: no one said like, hey, Dr Weir, do you want

945
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: to take a vacation and go to Disney World. I

946
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: will also say this is going back to the the

947
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: inspiration for the film I have read. I assume this

948
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: is true. It seems like it's true that the idea was,

949
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: what if we had the Shining but said it in space,

950
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: in which case, if you're talking about the film version

951
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: of The Shining, you know Jack Nicholson, Jack Nicholson's characters

952
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: already pretty freaking crazy before he shows up at the

953
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: Overlook Hotel totally and Dr Weir kind of falls that model. Yeah, yeah,

954
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: And I did want to say that it's actually clever

955
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: that the that drive itself is built like a giant gyroscope,

956
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: like a giant hellish gyroscope, because, um, because real spaceships do,

957
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: in fact, you use gyroscopes in their inertial navigation. Systems,

958
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: albeit not giant puzzle box looking ones, right, Yeah, the

959
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: one that you're talking about in the movie. It's imagine

960
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: a globe that's side of a ring, that's inside of

961
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: another ring, and all of these can can rotate independently

962
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: of each other, and when it lines up, it flashes

963
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: light at you and bad things happen. Um dr. We're

964
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: assures the crew that the gravity drive is not on,

965
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: totally on, and it's totally not safe. Yeah, but that's

966
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: because the ship, as it turns out, is alive. Uh

967
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: I said that. Another thing that was kind of interesting.

968
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: I thought it was a little weird. The characters are

969
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 1: forced aboard the Event Horizon because the Lewis and Clark

970
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: is compromised. All right, there's a whole breach and their

971
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: air supply. UM starts going, I'm not gonna make another joke. Yeah,

972
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: So that everyone, everyone aside from a repair crew, goes

973
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: aboard the Event Horizon. The repair crew tries to repair

974
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: the damage to the Lewis and Clark. So they discovered

975
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: that the oxygen, to be more specific, the carbon dioxide

976
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: levels are rising and are going to hit because the

977
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: scrubbers are something something I don't know that the CEO

978
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: two scrubbers are not not functioning properly, and even if

979
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: they brought the ones a board from the Lewis and Clark,

980
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: it would only give them a little extra time. They

981
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: only have twenty hours of breathable air on the event Horizon,

982
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: which is enormous. Is a huge ship. It's very large.

983
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that they only had twenty hours of

984
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: breathable air. That's maybe maybe the gravity drive eats oxygen.

985
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the hell demons that are in that are

986
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: living in heavy breathers. That could be. I mean, I mean, statistically,

987
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: I think most hell demons are and they've been on

988
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: that ship for seven years, so it's possible. Um. I

989
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: also say that the another fun little fact. This is

990
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: another not so technical thing, but just one of those

991
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: things that if you've watched a lot of movies you appreciate.

992
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: So they have the Sick Sick Bay, a medical center

993
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: which supposedly has never been used. Well on a counter.

994
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: In this medical bay, they have an array of medical tools,

995
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: most of which are most are made just for films.

996
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: They're not actual analogs to real medical tools, although I mean,

997
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of them are our corners tools more

998
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: than medical tools. Really, it's the kind of thing that

999
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: you're not going to see in actual medical practice outside

1000
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: of the Victorian era. So but if you had ever

1001
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: watched a movie like the Tim Burton's Batman or Little

1002
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: Shop of Horrors, you will recognize some of these. They're

1003
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: the same medical devices that have shown up in movie

1004
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: after movie whenever there's some form of medical horror element

1005
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: to the film. So I thought I appreciated that. I'm like, oh,

1006
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: especially amongst all of these, incredibly are not incredibly high

1007
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: tech looking, but but more fancy, shiny, inexplicable bits of

1008
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 1: medical tech that they've got floating around. Right. Well, moving forward,

1009
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, things go wrong, Demons are unleashed, people are hallucinating,

1010
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: and then that's when we start to see characters try

1011
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: and take action. Dr Were wants to go and activate

1012
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: the fail safe circuit to turn off the gravity draft. Right.

1013
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: What's weird is how inconveniently placed the failsafe circuit is.

1014
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: Further More, and it's in this tunnel that, as far

1015
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 1: as I can tell, is composed of circuit board, which

1016
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: I think is probably a categorically bad idea for I mean, first,

1017
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: it's sharp, like it's delicate, you don't really want to

1018
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: be crawling around on top of it. It reminded me

1019
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: of those scenes in Star Trek the Next Generation whenever

1020
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: anything was seriously wrong with the away, like maybe we

1021
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: should start putting that stuff closer to where we work, guys. Furthermore,

1022
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: it's a it's an entire tunnel made of circuit board,

1023
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: and he has to go to this one very specific panel,

1024
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, the only panel within

1025
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: this tunnel of circuit board, and pull out another piece

1026
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: of circuit board and do something too. Yeah. Yeah, the

1027
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: expansion slot for the event Horizon is in an inconvenient location.

1028
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: Go buy a different ship, guys. Uh So. Also, I

1029
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: have a little plot note here. The commanding officer of

1030
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: the Lewis and Clark comes to a conclusion, right right

1031
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: she She says to the captain that she thinks, based

1032
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: upon zero evidence whatsoever, that the ship is alive. Now,

1033
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: first of all, she's right, but this turns out to

1034
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: be the fantastical element of the film. Yes, but how

1035
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: she I made the same note. I was just like,

1036
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where she got that, And it was

1037
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: very convenient, Like the audience is picking up on it,

1038
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: but the characters shouldn't necessarily I did. I did read that, um,

1039
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: nearly half an hour of footage was taken out of

1040
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: the film before it went to theaters, and and that

1041
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: a lot of that was was more along the gore end.

1042
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: And I think that the film benefited from not having

1043
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: that in there, because I thought that the subtle flashes

1044
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: of gore were very effective here. But but maybe that

1045
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: was part of maybe that, maybe that gave her some

1046
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: of the feelings she had. Maybe not, maybe not, We

1047
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: don't know. The Captain describes what fire and zero G

1048
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: is like and gets it almost exactly wrong. Wrong. He

1049
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: says that it's like liquid, which Laurence fishburn. So he's

1050
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: very dramatic about it. Yeah, not like me. I can't

1051
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: I can't manage drama. Well, I can't age drama, but

1052
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm not dramatic. Uh. Yeah, he says it's like liquid.

1053
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: I I interpreted that to mean that he thought it

1054
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: was like liquid on a surface that has gravity, Like

1055
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: it behaves like liquid wood on earth. Um. Even if

1056
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: you meant liquid and zero G, it's not exactly true.

1057
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: If you were to say, light a match in a

1058
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: zero G environment or a micro gravity environment, it would

1059
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: the flame would form a little globe around the match head,

1060
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: and it would probably burn in a very very uh faint,

1061
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: but very hot flame like you would usually get a

1062
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: little blue flame around the head of the match stick,

1063
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: the blue red yellow exactly. So fire does behave in

1064
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: an interesting way in zero G, but not really like

1065
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: a liquid um. I have a little bit about Cooper.

1066
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: We gotta talk about Cooper. Yeah, yeah, so so this

1067
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: is moving. As the plot moves forward, like we said,

1068
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: it becomes a little bit more fantastical, and therefore we

1069
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: don't have quite as many things to complain about. Are

1070
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: lovingly complain about. But yes, so so during one of

1071
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: these spacewalks wherein one of the crew members, Cooper is

1072
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: trying to repairs and Clark, uh, there's an explosion, massive

1073
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: catastrophic explosion that destroys the Lewis and Clark and and

1074
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: shuttles this little bit of ship that he was standing on,

1075
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: spinning wildly off into space. Right, so Cooper is on

1076
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: He's tethered to this piece of the ship and the

1077
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: ship is hurtling off into space with Cooper on it.

1078
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: Cooper has no real means of he has no means

1079
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: of getting He doesn't have like a jet pack wearing

1080
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 1: a jet pack, which is terrible because I mean NASA

1081
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: and has jet packs and Standard and every space suit

1082
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: and I guess standards just slipped anyway, standards. First thing

1083
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: he does is he detaches himself from the rotating uh stuff,

1084
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: which is problematic too. And that if you were on

1085
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: a rotating piece of equipment and then you let go somehow,

1086
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: and considering that you weigh less than the rotating piece

1087
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: of a pit, meant you're going to start moving at

1088
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: a slightly different rate of speed, and your your mass

1089
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: is different. You're still conserving the angular momentum, so but

1090
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: your mass is different, so you're gonna speak, You're gonna

1091
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: turn faster. So we can see this on Earth if

1092
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: you are on say ice skates, and you start spinning

1093
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: and then you pull your arms in, or you can

1094
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: try this in your office if you like, sit on

1095
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: a chair that can spin around and around, have someone

1096
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: start spinning. You have your arms out, and then start

1097
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: pulling your arms in. You will start to spin faster

1098
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: if you're do If you're listening to this in an

1099
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: office right now, I recommend doing this and just seeing

1100
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: just to see what reaction your cod and tell everybody

1101
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: when they ask you why you're doing that, that Josh

1102
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: and Chuck told you to because we don't want to

1103
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: heat anyway. So if you were to actually detach yourself,

1104
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: you would start spinning even faster. This is also a

1105
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: problem I have with the film, uh Gravity, which I

1106
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: don't think it's a spoiler because it happens within the trailer.

1107
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: So anyway, Um. He then ends up designed to use

1108
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: his oxygen supply as a means of propelling himself back

1109
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: to the event horizon, and he vents his oxygen and

1110
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: rockets back to the ship. I have a couple of

1111
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: problems with the way this was depicted. Yeah, and just

1112
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: the fact that it would be physically impossible, the fact

1113
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: that he would Yeah, he would have no way of

1114
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: really directing your flight in a meaningful way, and nor

1115
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: would you necessarily be flying without going into an even

1116
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: crazier tailspin. Yeah, it's kind of It's problematic, but you know, dramatic,

1117
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: it's fun Cooper. So Cooper becomes a superspaceman and flies

1118
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: back to the event horizon. Um, and then I've got uh.

1119
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: I only have one other real note and I'll and Lauren,

1120
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: I'll ask you what else you have to say about this.

1121
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: But the last bit is the event Horizon has a

1122
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: whole breach in the bridge area, and at this point

1123
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: the possessed doctor Weir spoiler alert is is attacking Laurence

1124
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: Fishburne not the not the character. It's Lawrence fish They've

1125
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: got they've gone so meta. No, it's Laurence Fishburn's captain character.

1126
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: So dr you're possessed is attacking the captain and the

1127
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: breach the hall has breached dr where gets flung out

1128
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: into space technically blown out into space, not sucked out

1129
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: because the air pressure. So the captain ends up trying

1130
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: to crawl up or crawled past where the the hallway

1131
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: ends at the bridge, so they can seal it off

1132
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: and thus repressurize part of the event Horizon did not

1133
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: get blown out into space. I'm not sure that you'd

1134
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: be able to do that, Like, I don't considering how

1135
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: much was flying past him, I don't know that you

1136
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: would have the strength to hold on, but or that

1137
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: the materials they was holding onto its just right. Yeah,

1138
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: that's I felt very much the same way. I think

1139
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: that if um, I think that would be hard enough

1140
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: in the kind of pressure differentiation that you've got in

1141
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: an airplane, let alone in in the vacuum of space. Right.

1142
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: So so it's he has herculean strength, and he manages

1143
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: to make it Laurence Fishburn, he manages to make it

1144
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: into the hallway. Not only does he make it into

1145
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: the hallway, he's also able to rescue a fellow crew

1146
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: member and pull her to safety before closing the doors

1147
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: and sealing it off. UM. I also thought that this

1148
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: would probably make their problem of very little breathable air

1149
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: somewhat exacerbated, right. And also also I was confused that

1150
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: within this very same movie, a little bit earlier on

1151
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: one of the other crew members, um head Head, in

1152
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: a hallucination driven fit, locked himself an air lock and

1153
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: was going to blow himself out into space. And as

1154
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: that cabin depressurized, UM, it gave you a lot of

1155
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: really great practical gore effects of of his of his

1156
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: veins starting to pop, and his eyes bleeding, and all

1157
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: of these, all of these terrible, terrific horror elements. Um

1158
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: And and none of that happens to these main characters.

1159
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: He's build higher with higher billing, you don't. You don't

1160
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: get those easily palpable eyeballs. Oh I see, I see.

1161
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: That's that's cool benefit when you raise a rank, you

1162
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: just get better eyeball. Uh. At any rate, that is

1163
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: the is kind of silly. Do you have any other

1164
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: notes that you would like to share? Um? I guess. Also,

1165
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: speaking of that airlock situation, it's one of my favorite

1166
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: goofy movie tropes, wearing UM, something terrible is about to

1167
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: happen in an airlock and you have to hack the door.

1168
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: You always have to hack the door, and the hacking

1169
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: of the airlock door is always accompanied by UM pulling

1170
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: the panel out and mussing about with wires, and it

1171
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: always takes approximately four seconds longer to do than you

1172
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: actually have. I just I just love that that one

1173
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: little silly Well, it's also fun that he curls up

1174
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: into a ball, flies out of the airlock, is caught

1175
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: by the captain who's in a spacewalk, who jumps back

1176
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: into the airlock and manages to get him back into

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01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: the ship. That's pretty amazing. Yeah, it's a Superman rescue.

1178
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: It is a Superman rescue. That that is. I think

1179
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: later on there's a certain point at which people out

1180
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: run some space flames. Yeah, there's some space flame out

1181
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: running there's an explosion, right, Yeah, there's also you know,

1182
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: we didn't really mention it. The pathway to get to

1183
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: the gravity drive. The hallway that goes through to the

1184
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: gravity drive itself is lined with explosives just in case. Yeah,

1185
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: there's there's explosives to separate the bridge from the gravity

1186
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: driving case of cases failure. Everyone who has watched Star

1187
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: Trek nows sometimes it's really important to separate the dish

1188
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: from it. Here exactly, you can use it as a

1189
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: life I don't think you would necessarily need a neck

1190
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: that long to be able to do this, But that's okay. Now,

1191
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: the thing I was going to talk about is that

1192
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: really short hallway where you've got the spinning saw blades

1193
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: of death all around you. What was that for effect? Yeah?

1194
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: It was creepy. I know that doctor Weir said something

1195
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: in passing as they were walking down the hallway, but

1196
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: it literally made no sense to me. Yeah, me, me neither.

1197
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't catch what he said. I I

1198
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: kind of like I was sort of watching it, going

1199
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to rewind for that one because

1200
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm not going to explain in any satisfying way what

1201
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: this this hallway of soft teeth is doing here. It

1202
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: kind of makes me think of all the parodies of

1203
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: Star Wars and other movies where the characters are standing

1204
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: right at the edge of a really sharp drop in

1205
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: the middle of like the Death Star, and like, why

1206
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: don't we put up a railing? You know, it's kind

1207
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: of that same sort of why did we put all

1208
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: these jagged saw blades around this corridor? For? My favorite

1209
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: part about that corridor though, is the dramatic tension involved

1210
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: in it, because it is one of the few places

1211
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: on the ship that something bodily horrible does not happen

1212
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: to anybody, and it so sharp. It looks like a

1213
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: tumbler specifically for killing people. It looks it looks like

1214
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: welcome to the abattoir corridor. This is where we will

1215
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: grind you into teeny tiny bits, but it never happens.

1216
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: It is pretty interesting. Um but but you know, I

1217
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: so so overall, I'm going to give this film a

1218
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: um a gold star for trying. I enjoyed it for

1219
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: what it was. It's a fun, schlocky kind of horror movie.

1220
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: There's some great bad acting in it. I think that

1221
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: I think that Sam Neil did uh did a good

1222
01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: job as a really overblown dramatic and yeah, it's fun,

1223
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: so certainly something that if you are of the appropriate

1224
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: age and you like horror movies, you should check it out.

1225
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it so uh. Yeah. This wraps up our discussion.

1226
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: Happy Halloween everybody, and remember, if you have any suggestions

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