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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret histories and little known fascinating

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Speaker 1: and more. We're your two Janice Ian's of jabbering inanities.

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Speaker 1: I'm Alex Hegel and I'm Jordan run Tug and Jordan's

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking about one of the load stars of

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Speaker 1: addies entertainment, the ionic or is it Doric column that

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Speaker 1: propped up BuzzFeed quizzes for decades and continues to dominate

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Speaker 1: the conversation on social media every October three. That's right, folks,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to mummu Wary. We're talking about seventeen the Mummy. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: Tom Cruise, I'm just kidding. We're talking about being girls. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that Mummy bit back. Mummu Wary

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Speaker 1: m come on, and then next will be Mummy fifty nine,

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Speaker 1: which I think is Chris for Lee's that the Hammer

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Speaker 1: horror one that's neither here nor there. Let's get down

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Speaker 1: to brass text. Can I Jordan? Can I be honest

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Speaker 1: with you always? I don't remember a time in my

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Speaker 1: life that Mean Girls wasn't in it. I know mathematically

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Speaker 1: that it had to have happened. But this movie has

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Speaker 1: been in my skull since I saw it first thanks

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Speaker 1: to the girl I was in love with in high

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Speaker 1: school who made Hugo Glen Coco her a I AM

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Speaker 1: screen name. And then she could have gotten a lot

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Speaker 1: of money for that screen name. I bet Wow. Well

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Speaker 1: maybe on Twitter, but not on a I am. No

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Speaker 1: we were professionals in the content industrial minds, this was

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Speaker 1: like every BuzzFeed quiz like which Mean Girls are? Line?

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Speaker 1: Are you? Which? Blah blah blah bi blue, And every

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Speaker 1: October three it comes back and every Wednesday Wednesdays. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: now none of that short seals the fact that it rules.

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Speaker 1: It's a great movie. It's whip smart, it's funny, it's

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Speaker 1: kind a good chord to it, it's got great performances.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to get that out of the way.

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Speaker 1: But I am, I've had it. It's the Stairway to

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Speaker 1: Heaven of Audi's teen comedies. I just tend to prefer

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Speaker 1: thirty Rock at this point. If I'm looking for that

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Speaker 1: unique Teina fe snark, I'm going for thirty Rock, but

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Speaker 1: it's such a fascinating document of its time. Great Lindsey

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Speaker 1: low End before the fall, uh and then this Dieseling

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Speaker 1: sorry Lindsay Dizzy ng assemblage of twenty something's masquerading as

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Speaker 1: Lizzie Kaplan, Lacy Sabert, Amanda Safe Read, Tim Meadows, who

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Speaker 1: is in his twenties making Now I'm kidding, what are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on Mean Girls? I mean, I love it.

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Speaker 1: my high school. Everyone I knew I went to see

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Speaker 1: really hard pressed to think of a movie that had

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Speaker 1: Not the Matrix movies, not the Lord of the Rings movies,

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Speaker 1: From the movie's roots in a book authored by a

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Speaker 1: Realities of Adolescence, by a woman named Rosalind Wiseman. Wiseman

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Speaker 1: about swearing. This is Tina talking to I. G N.

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Speaker 1: That was wise because that was my first draft, so

428
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Speaker 1: it was our rated. Regina was swearing like a sailor,

429
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Speaker 1: just terrible language, and it kind of got out of

430
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Speaker 1: my system. Maybe coming from TV. I just needed to

431
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Speaker 1: break free of my chains for a second. And then

432
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Speaker 1: by the time we got the second and third draft,

433
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Speaker 1: it was like, you know, we really do want to

434
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Speaker 1: try to get a PG thirteen rating for this movie

435
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Speaker 1: because I wanted girls to be able to see the movie.

436
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Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to like dumb it down necessarily and

437
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Speaker 1: write it for little girls, but I didn't want them

438
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Speaker 1: to not be able to see it, especially with Lindsay

439
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: in the movie, because Lindsay had a lot of fans,

440
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: and so we went through and cleaned it up. Yeah.

441
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Speaker 1: The other thing, the director Mark Water says that what

442
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Speaker 1: happened was the send. One of the things that happened

443
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Speaker 1: was Freaky Friday to come out and been a huge

444
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Speaker 1: and Paramount was like, oh, this has to be now,

445
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Speaker 1: because you can't have all the people who like Lindsay

446
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Speaker 1: Lohan from being uh in you know, Disney adjacent Disney thing. Yeah,

447
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Speaker 1: suddenly turning the air blue. Um. Among the changes that

448
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Speaker 1: they made to the scripture substituting butter your muff the

449
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Speaker 1: I guess you call it an idiom. A lot of

450
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Speaker 1: the changes were substituting the innuendo butter your muffin for

451
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Speaker 1: the original which was pop your cherry, and uh substituting

452
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Speaker 1: made Out with a Frozen hot Dog for Masturbated with

453
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Speaker 1: a frozen hot dog. Director Mark Waters still remembers though

454
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Speaker 1: they ended up in a standoff with the MP double

455
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Speaker 1: A over a completely different and much more innocuous part.

456
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Speaker 1: The line in the sand that I drew, he told Vulture,

457
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Speaker 1: was a joke about the wide set vagina. The ratings

458
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Speaker 1: board said, we can't give you a PG. Thirteen unless

459
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Speaker 1: you cut that line. We ended up playing the card

460
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Speaker 1: that the ratings board was sexist because Anchor Man had

461
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Speaker 1: just come out and Ron Burgundy had an erection in

462
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Speaker 1: one scene and that was PG. Thirteen. We told them,

463
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Speaker 1: you're only saying this because it's a girl and she's

464
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Speaker 1: talking about a part of her anatomy. There's no sexual

465
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Speaker 1: context whatsoever, and to say this is restrictive to an

466
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Speaker 1: audience of girls is demeaning to all women, and eventually

467
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Speaker 1: they had to back down. Stephanie Drummond, the actress who

468
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Speaker 1: plays the subject of that line, told Cosmopolitan UK. I

469
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Speaker 1: remember they called my agent to see if I'd be

470
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Speaker 1: comfortable saying the vagina line, and I said sure. It

471
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: became this big thing over time with social media, but

472
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Speaker 1: I was really happy and excited. I thought it was

473
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Speaker 1: so funny. I was acting as the use have gone by,

474
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Speaker 1: especially since I moved to the States. Everywhere I go,

475
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Speaker 1: I'm the wide set vagina girl looking forward to clipping

476
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Speaker 1: that line out of context from this episode whenever I

477
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Speaker 1: got a text from you. Ah. Despite all that haggling, Uh,

478
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Speaker 1: there's still quite a bit of line swapping that happened

479
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Speaker 1: on set, even during filming. One of the great things

480
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Speaker 1: and luxuries then was to have the best punch up

481
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Speaker 1: writer in the business on your set. Waters told Logo

482
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Speaker 1: if a joke wasn't working. I'd be like, Tina, what

483
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Speaker 1: can we do. She'd say, give me a few minutes

484
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Speaker 1: and give me five new lines that were all funnier

485
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Speaker 1: than the last. We'd try out discarded jokes that got

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Speaker 1: lost in production from like two drafts back, and that

487
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Speaker 1: would sometimes be the thing that worked. At some point,

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Speaker 1: the title of the film was changed from Homeschooled two

489
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Speaker 1: mean girls. Homeschool doesn't as good. Yeah, I think the

490
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Speaker 1: whole plot about her growing up in like Africa with

491
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Speaker 1: her mother who was what a zoologist? That was like

492
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Speaker 1: a late addition to the movie. Mark Waters and Lindsay

493
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Speaker 1: had a prior relationship because he directed Lindsay in the

494
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Speaker 1: Freaky Friday remake for Disney. And the other hilarious connection

495
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Speaker 1: that Mark Waters has to this movie is that his

496
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Speaker 1: brother Daniel wrote Heathers and Batman returns No what I

497
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Speaker 1: I had no idea it was a connection between those two.

498
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Speaker 1: Wow and Mark Waters hold nitrate online in two thousand three.

499
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Speaker 1: The funny thing is, I like to make fun of

500
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: my brother saying that it's kind of an easy way

501
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: out to kill your bulleys. It's more interesting if the

502
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: main character actually has to use more devious means to

503
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: get back at the Queen Bee, and in doing so,

504
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: becomes the Queen Bee herself. Also, the thing that I

505
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: really like about this movie in the script form was

506
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: that it seemed like it had the potential to be

507
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Speaker 1: a John Hughes movie as well, like Heather's Remade by

508
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Speaker 1: John Hughes. That's a very good elevator pitch. Yeah, but

509
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Speaker 1: you can see someone saying that to paramount, I mean

510
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Speaker 1: the paramount executive in the proverbial cash signs going off

511
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Speaker 1: in their eyes as you meditate on that. We'll be

512
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Speaker 1: right back with more too much information after these messages,

513
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 1: hast think Mean Girls was a headache pretty much from

514
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: start to finish, So Hi go run us down well.

515
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: When Waters initially gave the script to Lindsay, she told

516
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Speaker 1: him I love Regina, George, this is exactly the part

517
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Speaker 1: that I want to play, So he said. We did

518
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: a read through and we were trying to look for

519
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: somebody to play the role of Katie, but frankly we

520
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: didn't find it. And when we liked who felt strong

521
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Speaker 1: enough to go up against Lindsay. And then in the interim,

522
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: as I mentioned before, Freaky Friday had come out so

523
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Speaker 1: paramount exact. Sherry Lansing told Waters, you have to make

524
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Speaker 1: Lindsay the lead. She can't be the villain in this,

525
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Speaker 1: and also presumably make a PG. Thirteen. Lindsay kind of

526
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Speaker 1: begrudgingly said, Okay, I guess I'll play the lead. At

527
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: least I get to have more lines. Apparently she missed

528
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: the first day of filming due to having a case

529
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: of pink eye. I'm guessing the first day I was

530
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday, a golf swing. Yeah, we gotta we

531
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: gotta figure out a way to make that a cue.

532
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: Lindsay Leman sat on all the auditions, she told Entertainment Weekly.

533
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: She said that Amanda Safe for you audition to play

534
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: Regina as well. It ended up being Rachel McAdams, and

535
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: she's wonderful. Lindsay said. McAdams was twenty four. She was

536
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: one of the oldest people in the cast. Uh and

537
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: she auditioned for Katie and Waters told her point blank

538
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: that she was too old to play that character. He said,

539
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: no one will buy you as an ingenue, which is

540
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: like a curiously cruel old timey studio head thing to

541
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: say no one will buy you as an on genous

542
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: Sweetheart over the Hill. I hear that casting for Austinik

543
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: and old Lace down at the public the Return of

544
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Speaker 1: the Cigar Shopping Executive. UM. Anyway, he switched her over

545
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Speaker 1: once Lindsay changed roles, and McAdams said, this was the

546
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Speaker 1: script that made me call my manager halfway through and

547
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Speaker 1: say I will play any part in this. Tina hit

548
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: a nerve about girl politics, but in a non confrontational way.

549
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: Mark Waters told her to watch Alec Baldwin scene in

550
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Speaker 1: Glengarry Glenn Ross inspiration and listened to Courtney Love and

551
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: honestly another perfect perfect ven diagram there the overlap of

552
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Speaker 1: Alec Poullowan and Glen Garry gunn Ross and Courtney Love

553
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Speaker 1: is regeta George. I mean, I assume it's the always

554
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Speaker 1: be closing speech. Oh yeah, well there's the only scene

555
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: he's in the movie. You're right, Yeah, it's like him.

556
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: Heath Ledger and Anthony Hopkins that I think have the

557
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Speaker 1: records for like shortest screen time per Oscar nomination UM

558
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: and Hathaway and Lee Miss She won Shortest Oscar, Shortest

559
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: Oscar nominee. Anthony Hopkins was only on there in Scienceiliams

560
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: for Like Not Under for under twenty five minutes. That

561
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: is wild. I can't believe that that is Shortest was

562
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: Spencer Tracy for being nominated for San Francisco. He was

563
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: in that movie for under fifteen minutes. That was for

564
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Speaker 1: Best Leading. Um. I don't think if there's any other. Oh,

565
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: Louise Fletcher was nominated for Cougar's Nest. She's not and

566
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: she's in it for twenty two minutes and already seven seconds.

567
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: Was there a threat if that makes sense? Yeah? Yeah,

568
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: supporting actor. Oh. I didn't actually don't see heath litter

569
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Speaker 1: on this list. A lot of these are old and timey. Hmm.

570
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Speaker 1: Interesting anyway, Apparently that that advice worked. When Lindsay was

571
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Speaker 1: acting with Rachel, she got very shy because Rachel was

572
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Speaker 1: older and a very accomplished actress. Mark Waters said she'd

573
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Speaker 1: come in the room and not talk to Lindsay. She

574
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: was very focused. Lindsey kind of got nervous around her,

575
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Speaker 1: and I thought that, more than anything, was going to

576
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Speaker 1: be the deciding factor. The fact that she affected Lindsay

577
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Speaker 1: in that way. McAdams were a very expensive wig for

578
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Speaker 1: the film, since her hair was cut short and apparently

579
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Speaker 1: died pink at the time, and Jonathan Bennett, who played

580
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Speaker 1: Aaron Samuel's, added to Entertainment Weekly. Rachel McAdams has the

581
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Speaker 1: softest lips on the face of the earth that anyone

582
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: will ever kiss, hands down. I think I did tell

583
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: her that we kissed for the first time on camera,

584
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, WHOA, can you deliver that line again,

585
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Speaker 1: but just a little closer to the mic, A little slower,

586
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Speaker 1: can you? Yeah? And I was like, WHOA, I should

587
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: write you a play. You should punch in the Kanti

588
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: Reeves matrix. Meanwhile, Mark Waters told E W. The person

589
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Speaker 1: who was neck and neck for the role of Regina

590
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: and we agonized over which one we were going to

591
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: cast was a man of Saye Freed. She tested for

592
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: Regina and was kind of brilliant and very different than

593
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Speaker 1: Rachel's approach. She played it in a much more ethereal

594
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Speaker 1: but still kind of scary way. She was more frightening,

595
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Speaker 1: but oddly less intimidating. I could almost see her as

596
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Speaker 1: being like almost like the Daisy character and the Great Gatsby.

597
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: How like aloof she is kind of makes her terrifying. Yeah, Rachel,

598
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Speaker 1: a man of Sayfried has those like terrifying like gallam eyes,

599
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: so she could do a lot with just those. I

600
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: could see that it was actually Lauren Michaels. He suggested

601
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Speaker 1: that Saffreed play Karen, so Waters said she came in

602
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Speaker 1: and read it and nailed it, and we got the

603
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: best of both worlds. And I'm pretty sure Mean Girls

604
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: was a man of safe Reed's feature film debut. Oh yeah,

605
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: because she just graduated from high school. Yeah yeah. Casting

606
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: director Marcy Leroff told Cosmo that they wanted Blake Lively,

607
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: who hadn't yet done The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.

608
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: They want of her for the role of Karen, and

609
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Speaker 1: I guess she made it to the final screen tests

610
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Speaker 1: but didn't get the gig. Marcy Learoff continued, we had

611
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: a difficult time casting Gretchen Wieners. I kept reading young

612
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: actresses for the role. Actually Tuesday audition for the part,

613
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Speaker 1: but didn't come down to the finals. There was a

614
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Speaker 1: certain type of desperation for Gretchen. He really felt for her.

615
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Speaker 1: How do you say this person's name, Lacey Shabe, Lazy shab.

616
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Speaker 1: How do you know who the Lazy Shabet is? She's

617
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: on Wild Thornberry's She's one of my she's my second

618
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: favorite nineties Brunette wasn't in Party of Five or I'm

619
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: impressed that you know this much about these people. Just

620
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: had a big crush on her, Her and Jennifer and

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Speaker 1: j J. J. Low Hugh. I do love how much

622
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: you love Jennifer love you at that warms my heart

623
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: a lot. It's very pure love. I saw her and

624
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what you did last summer and was stricken.

625
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: My nineties brunette three names heart throb was Rachel Lee Cook.

626
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Speaker 1: She's in a similar mold. Yeah, I just didn't see that.

627
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: I don't think I saw movies that she was in

628
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Speaker 1: as much. I didn't really. I really only saw she's

629
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Speaker 1: all that. Oh Josie and the Pussycats too. That was

630
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Speaker 1: I wasn't a Josie and the Pussycats guy. I know

631
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Speaker 1: that's a big form. She should do that one. Yeah. Yeah,

632
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that you weren't. It was like, I think

633
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: it was just women with guitars, and I think it

634
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: was just like too close to spice girls for me.

635
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Speaker 1: Were you more Spice Girls than Josie? No? I just

636
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Speaker 1: still had like a bad taste in my mouth from

637
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Speaker 1: just like groups of ten year old girls like accosting

638
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: me in the playground and screaming girl power in my face.

639
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: I was very threatened by women in groups of four

640
00:33:53,800 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: still am Actually it's a powerful number. I thought there

641
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: are only three in Josie and Pussy Kids. I don't

642
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: know why, why do you encourage these bits? I'm making

643
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: them up as I go along. Well, the hell are we?

644
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Speaker 1: Lay shat lazy Shabert, who ended up playing the part

645
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: of Gretchen Wainterers totally w I thought it was really

646
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: wrong for Gretchen. The character description physically was very different

647
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: from me. She was supposed to be really gangly. I

648
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: loved how insecure she was for me the comedy came,

649
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: and her trying so desperately to please everyone and fit

650
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: in and having no clue of her own identity. I

651
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: was never the cool kid, she added to The New

652
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: York Times. I wore mini mouse stuff, and I was

653
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: growing up in Hollywood. I always falled under a microscope

654
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: on the top of a Gretchen Wainters she was the

655
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: one constantly trying to make fetch happen, and Tina Fey

656
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: later said that she wrote fake slang like fetch in

657
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: the movie to ensure that it didn't sound dated when

658
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: you watched it back years later. I know, really, She

659
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: says in one of those interviews that she was at

660
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Speaker 1: the pharmacy once sick, picking up a prescription, and the

661
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: pharmacist just like you don't look very fetched today. They

662
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: all say they get these lines quoted at them like constantly,

663
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: but I can in the line of the farness so

664
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: that your pharmacists seems a little rough. Where it was

665
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: this Tina Fair question Winners, that was lazy Shabat talking

666
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: about him like um to vulture. Waters dispelled the persistent

667
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: rumor that Scarlett Johansson auditioned for the film. He said

668
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: he did test her for something, but not Mean Girls.

669
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: He tested her for the Secret Life of Walter Middy,

670
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: which he was originally attached to direct when Owen Wilson

671
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: was in the lead, and he said she definitely would

672
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: have booked that part. It was eventually made with Ben

673
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Speaker 1: Stiller in the lead. You know, if you can't get

674
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Speaker 1: Owen Wilson, you get Ben Stiller at that time, and uh,

675
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: Christian Wig is the lead romantic lady in that. I think,

676
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: so I would have thought the other way around. I

677
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: would have thought that Ben Stiller was more bankable than

678
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: Owen Wilson at that time. Good question, good question, good question.

679
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Speaker 1: Not for us to decide, you know. I think I

680
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: read that Evan rachel Wood was also can for a

681
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: role in Girls. I'm not sure what one, but I

682
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: imagine it was because of a role in thirteen. But

683
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: she passed because she was in a similar movie at

684
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: the time, the name of which I can't recall because

685
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: it was not as good as me. And Lizlie Kaplan,

686
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: who plays Janaze, and said that she was closer to

687
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: her own character in high school than probably most of

688
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: the other people were. She said she I had my

689
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: hair dyed black and was into Charles Bokowski, which I

690
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: would have fallen for her then too. For the movie,

691
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to wear tons of layers and dark eye makeup.

692
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: I cooked my hair, literally burned it with a flat

693
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: iron to make it stick up straighter. Only now this

694
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: interview was in two thousand fourteen. Ten years later, it

695
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: has recovered. Uh, Lizzie wanted to play Janis, but we

696
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: had to make her look more gothic and bizarre than

697
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: she actually has. Waters told Cosmopolitan UK Damien. He said,

698
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: the character of Damien was an unbelievable challenge to cast,

699
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: and we just couldn't find him. Tina and I met

700
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Daniel Frenzaise in New York City and really liked him.

701
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: He was so funny and had such a great personality.

702
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: But he came in the room auditioned and was terrible.

703
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: We were going to l a to do the read

704
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: through and still hadn't cast Damien. We were getting very frustrated.

705
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: Then Tina and I remembered how funny Daniel was and

706
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: thought he would be great just to have in the room,

707
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: even if we didn't give him the part. He came

708
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: and he brought it. He'd clearly done his homework and

709
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: was getting huge laughs. By the time it was over,

710
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: we knew he was our Damien Frenzies. He said that

711
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: at this time he had confided in some parents and

712
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: friends that he was gay, but he was so largely closeted,

713
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: and he came out in a public letter that he

714
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: wrote to his character. On the tenth anniversary of the film.

715
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: He told Cosmo, I came out because I got a

716
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: letter from a fan who said that when they were

717
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: in the eighth grade, he was beat up for being

718
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: chubby and tortured for being a sissy. And then in

719
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: ninth grade the movie came out and on the first

720
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: day of school, the popular senior girls said, you're like Damien,

721
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: come sit with us. Before that, I was in New

722
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: Orleans and a bouncer to gay Bar told me how

723
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: much my character gave him. It took me a long

724
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: time to realize how impactful it is and how important

725
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: representation in film is. So those fan interactions are really beautiful.

726
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: But he had a slightly less nice interaction with Christina

727
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: Aguilera years later, which you know obviously was sad for

728
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: him because one of the big moments in the movies

729
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: when he sings her song Beautiful. Daniel later told Yahoo,

730
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: I thought for sure that would be an exciting moment

731
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: of my life. I was like, Christina, my name is Daniel,

732
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: I sing beautiful and mean girls. And she was like,

733
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: I never saw it. What a great dismissal. And then

734
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: she turned her back and walked away. She was so rude.

735
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: But Daniel's relationship to the film is very powerful. His

736
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: letter reads, in part, looking back, it took you, referring

737
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: to his character Damnian, to teach me how to be

738
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: proud of myself again. It's okay if no one wants

739
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: to sit at the table with the art freaks. Being

740
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: a queer artist is one of my favorite things out myself.

741
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: I've always been different and that's rad. Perhaps this will

742
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: help someone else. I had to remind myself that my

743
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: parents named me Daniel because it means God is my judge.

744
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: So I'm not afraid anymore of Hollywood, the closet or

745
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: mean girls. Thank you for that. Damien and Daniel talked

746
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: about how Mean Girls helped him embrace his own sexuality

747
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: and the interview with my friend Jeff Nelson for People

748
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: magazine Ineen. He said, I think part of the reason

749
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: it took me so long to feel comfortable with who

750
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: I was was I didn't have the same referential point

751
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: what Damien did for a lot of queer people and

752
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: people of size, which I found out later on, it

753
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: gave them an identity and pop culture where they weren't

754
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: made fun of. He's never made fun of for being

755
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: big or for being gay. Jonathan Bennett, who played the

756
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: love interest Aaron Samuel's, told Cosmo, I did a screen

757
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: test with Lindsay and I made her blush on camera.

758
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, oh my gosh, I just booked this job,

759
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: but came to find out they hired someone else. Oh

760
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: this is true. Mark waterstold Cosmo. The other guy had

761
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: a great audition, but he came to the table read,

762
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: sat with his nose in the script and mumbled the

763
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: whole way through keep that description in mind. Yes, yes,

764
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: very very much. So by the time it was over,

765
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: Lauren came over to me and said, that's a shame.

766
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to go with that other guy. Jonathan

767
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: Bennett continued, I was working at Abercrombie and Fitch. I

768
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: was folding sweaters in the front room. I think I

769
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: was shirtless and check my phone. On my break. I

770
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: had a message from my agents saying call me back

771
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: right away. You're to lead the new Paramount movie and

772
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: you have to go to Canada tomorrow. I was like, cool,

773
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: I'll call you back after my shift, and he said,

774
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: you don't have a shift anymore, go home and start

775
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: packing I up and to quit. Franzizi said that James

776
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: Franco was in consideration for the role, but it is

777
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: not known if he was the guy who was canned,

778
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: but again, coming to a read through and mumbling your

779
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: way through with your nose in the script sounds like

780
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: a Franco move. Yes. Daniel Francis, who played Damnien, told

781
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: this story in Altitude magazine. He said that quote the

782
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: other actor had shaved and he didn't take his hat off.

783
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: He was really playing it cool. People kept coming over

784
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: to him, like, you know, you should really take your

785
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: hat off, and then right after the table read he

786
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: got fired. I don't about you. That stinks of Franco. Franco.

787
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: While Bennett may not have been the first choice for Aaron,

788
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: the actor did tell Huffington Post that Faye told him

789
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: at one point he got the gig because he bore

790
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: a striking resemblance to Phase, former Weekend Update co anchor

791
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: and Jordan's personal nemesis, Jimmy Fallon. Boo, folks, if you

792
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: will tune into our last episode? Was it the last

793
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: episode t r L Yeah? Yeah, our last episode for

794
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: that important piece of Jordan's personal lore installed my date

795
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: when I was a freshman in college and she was

796
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: also a freshman in college, I might add. Bennett told

797
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: Cosmo UK they spent more time on my hair than

798
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: they did with some of the girls. The first shot

799
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: of me in the movie when you see my character

800
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: for the first time in that turnaround close up. I

801
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: was sent back to hair and makeup for them to

802
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: do my hair more. The director would say, it's got

803
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: to be smoother and more buttery. Just say that one

804
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: closer to the mica. Every time I want you to

805
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: redo a line, I'm gonna tell you it's gonna be

806
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: smoother and more buttery. Smoother and more buttery. It's in

807
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: my ears, It's in my ears. Bennett grew close to

808
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: Daniel Franzizi. He was playing Damian, with Daniel telling Cosmo Uk.

809
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: Jonathan and I had confided in each other that we

810
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: were gay, so we were able to be comfortable. That

811
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: is adorable and despite the Lord Michael's Tina fe connection.

812
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: The studio was learly about casting too many SNL names,

813
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: so getting Amy Poehler and Tim Meadows cast as Regina's

814
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: mom and Principal Duval, respectively, was an uphill battle, and

815
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: Anagastaire as Katie's mom. Yes, the studio quote had been

816
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: burned on some Saturday Night live movies that had come

817
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: from Lorne, so they didn't want many Saturday Night Live

818
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: actors and mean Girl. Mark Waters told Vulture, make Lord

819
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: feel we can't have too many of your people because

820
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: they give our movies a bad reputation. He said that

821
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: it might feel like an SNL movie and people might

822
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: shy away from it. I mean this is coming after

823
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, The Ladies Man night at the Roxbury Roxbury Yeah, uh,

824
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: superstar superstars Okay, Um, they made The Ladies Man and

825
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: they thought Tim Meadows is not a movie star. But

826
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: I was very adamant about it. I didn't know this.

827
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: The cast Tim Meadows is wearing in that movie is real.

828
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: He broke his wrist immediately before they started shooting and

829
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: was afraid he would have to drop out. And then

830
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: it was just like, well, right in a joke about it,

831
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: you're having carpet tunnel syndrome. Amy Poehler was only seven

832
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: years older than Rachel McAdams at the time, and she

833
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: could only fly into shoot for half days because she

834
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: was still working on SNL. But she contributed a ton

835
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: to the film, including Kevin Napoor's rap That's an Amy

836
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: Poehler original rap. Amy coached him on how to do

837
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: the rap, and she actually gave him some of the

838
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: moves and breography for it. Mark Water still Vulture. The

839
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: guy who plays Kevin Rajeev Surrendra, was a last minute

840
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: casting choice. That character was initially written as Korean, but

841
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: according to Waters, and this is a quote, we couldn't

842
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: find an Asian actor in Toronto who is good enough

843
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: to play him. And then the Sri Lankan kid comes

844
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: in and does it and we were like, okay, we're

845
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: gonna rewrite it. He's Kevin Napoor now, he says. He

846
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: also initially auditioned for the part of Damien. I read yeah,

847
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: and he and Richard McAdams bonded because they were the

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Speaker 1: only Vancouver Vancouver kids there or than an early version

849
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: of The Mean Girls script had Kevin g as a

850
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: drug dealer who sold you to his classmates, but then

851
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: the pills were confiscated by Tina Fey's character. And then

852
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: when tinack Phae's character gets accused of being a pusher

853
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: in the Burned Book, cops come and find Kevin's drugs

854
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: in her desk and she almost gets arrested, but then Damien,

855
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: for some reason takes the heat. I don't know, I

856
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: don't I don't like that ending the first draft I

857
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: do Yeah. Polar also ad libbed the part where her

858
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: character starts dancing along with the Plastics during their jingle

859
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: bell rock scene, which was well get another scene that

860
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: was toned down for to get her PG thirteen rating. Uh,

861
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: And then for the scene where the dog starts going

862
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: to town on her on her fake boobs. Rachel McAdams

863
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: told e W that they pinned a piece of Cocktail

864
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: Wiener into Amy Poehler's bra. She said, I thought this

865
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: dog was going to tear her apart. It was very effective.

866
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: She was such a pro through it. She's trying to

867
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: do her lines and being so professional, and this dog

868
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: is chomping on her fake boob. I'll never forget that. Lastly,

869
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: the guy who played the aforementioned Glenn Coco, he apparently

870
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: wasn't even supposed to be in the film at all.

871
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: In fact, he emphatically was turned down for it. Actor

872
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: David Real told Days Digital, I actually auditioned for a

873
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: different part in the movie. I didn't get it. What

874
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: happened was they ended up filming a lot of the

875
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: school stuff right across the park from my artment in Toronto.

876
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: One day. I sort of wandered onto the set to

877
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: see if I could watch some scenes being shot and

878
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: maybe get some free food. I sort of hung around

879
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: with the background performers and ended up getting lunch because

880
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: everybody just assumed I was actually hired to be there.

881
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: At one point, the director recognized me from my audition

882
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: and as a Constellation Prize said something like, Hey, I'm

883
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: gonna put you right in the front of this next scene,

884
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: and you'll have a name and everything. I never signed anything,

885
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: and so I was never paid. But the free lunch

886
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: was great. We're going to take a quick break, but

887
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more too much information and

888
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: just a moment. I mean, Girls was shot in two

889
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: thousand three, with Toronto standing in for Evanston, Illinois. I

890
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: had grown up with all the John Hughes movies. Tina

891
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: told the Chicago Tribune in two thousand nineteen. That was

892
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: American High School to me, the Chicago suburbs. I was

893
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: living in New York when I wrote the movie, but

894
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: it never occurred to me to set it there anymore

895
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: than it occurred to me to set it where I

896
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: was from. She's from outside of Philly. I said it

897
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: where American High School movies are from Tina Fe moved

898
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: to Chicago fresh out of college at UVA in Charlottesville.

899
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: She would stay in Chicago for five years before moving

900
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Speaker 1: to New York to follow the time honored Second City

901
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: to SNL. Pipeline Jorda a quick primer on Second City

902
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: for people who aren't from the century that that was

903
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: relevant in I guess, I guess it's still relevant relevant. Yeah.

904
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the comedy incubator of the Midwest. I mean,

905
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: so many SNL superstars went through there. I think also

906
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: Steve Correll and Colbert went through their Chris Farley went

907
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: through their Bill Murray and I think several of his

908
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: brothers went through there. I believe Gilda. Yeah, I mean,

909
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: it's just so many incredible people went through there. Yeah.

910
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: I went to a show there once. It was hilarious. Really,

911
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: this would have been in like two thousand four five,

912
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: and I oh, yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah, college choice

913
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: and yeah, although I don't, I didn't. I don't have

914
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: like a program or anything, so I can't like see

915
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: if there were anyone I actually saw had gone on

916
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: to be an SNL. But there's a conceivable chance. Yes,

917
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: um oh who Dan Ackroyd, John Belushi, Eugene Levy, Katherine O'Hara,

918
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: Tim Meadows, Colin Mockery, Ryan Styles, Mike Myers, Jordan Peel,

919
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: Amy Polo and t Na f a Ex Cicily Strong,

920
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 1: Adie Bryant. I mean, these are just the first names

921
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: at the very top of the Second City Wikipedia page.

922
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. Harold Ramos, Gilradner, John Candy Who. Yeah.

923
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: Tina Fey's first day job when she got to Chicago

924
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: was the early morning shift at the magaw Y m

925
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: c A in Evanston. I never set foot in neither

926
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: of the actual high schools, being as I was childless

927
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: adult back then, she told the Tribune. But I knew

928
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: Evanston and I knew the North Shore. Despite that, virtually

929
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: all of Me and Girls was filmed in and around

930
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: Toronto at Toby Coke a Collegiate Institute, and Atby Coke

931
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: Atobicoke a Tobacco Tobacco when im yeah, far up Atobico

932
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: Collegiate Institute stood in for the girls. High school and

933
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: exterior scenes. The math competition was filmed inside Convocation Hall

934
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: at the University of Toronto. In the scene immediately following

935
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: the competitions. The actors like Loan and t f A

936
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: are seen standing on King's College Circle with the historic

937
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: University College in the background. The mall frequented by characters

938
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: where Lizzie Kaplan's character works is Sherway Gardens in Toronto's

939
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: West End. And there are two Canadian celebrities of the

940
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: time cameoing the film, Avril Levine and Selene Bond via

941
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: posters bedroom walls, So that that counts, right. I just

942
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: kind of imagine that Celine Dion ever was like poster

943
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: level fame. Oh do you not know? Yeah, dude, heart

944
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: Will Gone Era. Well, no, I'm okay, that's not true,

945
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: and less about her fame and more of just like

946
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: the type of personality who was on a poster. Yeah,

947
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: I guess that's fair. Going into like a like a

948
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: Midwestern like Hesher's Bed, German Reeking of Bong Water and

949
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: right up next to like Grand Funk and metallicas Celine Dion.

950
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: It's like the led Zeppelin picture of them on the plane.

951
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: And then yeah, Bob Marley and legend, what's all, the

952
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: what's all? The dorm room, the Sublime, the Sublime, one

953
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: forty to Freedom and then Selindion maybe the pulp fiction

954
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: one of the all the all time college dorm room

955
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: poster hits John Belushi with a sweatshirt that says college

956
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and Seline Dion

957
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: d n f A later told Entertainment Weekly, we all

958
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: stayed in the same hotel at the time. I was

959
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: coming back and forth from SNL a lot from New York.

960
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't remember if I was weird about flying or

961
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: if it was the timing, but sometimes I would do SNL.

962
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: Then I would get in a Winnebago at two in

963
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: the morning and be driven to Toronto. It was so stupid.

964
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: They only had forty two days to shoot this movie

965
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: on a twenty two million dollar budget, which ain't a lot.

966
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: Director Mark Waters told Cosmo UK the movie didn't have

967
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: that auspicious feeling when we started. We were making a

968
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: movie for a relatively low budget in a studio that

969
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: was in the middle of making some very high profile,

970
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: expensive movies. They didn't really pay attention to what we

971
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: were doing. They were like, Okay, great, you guys, go

972
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: off to shoot in Toronto. Shooting was complicated by the

973
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: fact that it's star Lindsay Lohan, was just sixteen at

974
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: the time and therefore had her hours limited. Wow, I

975
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: forgot she was that young. Because Lindsay was a minor

976
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: at the time, we actually had a real struggle finding

977
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: time to choreograph the Talent Show dance routine. Mark Waters

978
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: told the w We hired a Corey bographer and it

979
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: was going to be a much more elaborate dance. But

980
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: then because we couldn't book the time with Lindsay ended

981
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: up being a little more rough shod and a little

982
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: messier than we were intending. But that ended up being

983
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: the greatest thing. Absolutely. Yeah, Like it looks like a

984
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: real lip sync. And also I guess the scene arrived

985
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: at jingle Bell Rock kind of as a last ditch effort.

986
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: Mark Waters solely w you'd be surprised how hard it

987
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: is to license Christmas songs. I didn't even know how

988
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: many things we tried before we got the rights to

989
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: the jingle Bell Rock. We were just happy to have

990
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: anybody say yes. Imagine if it was like a wonderful

991
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: Christmas time. I mean it must have. I mean, I'm

992
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: sure the number one was all I want for Christmas.

993
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: You it must have been yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And

994
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: Mariah says no, not until Love actually Love actually came out.

995
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: I think like four or five months before Mean Girls,

996
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: So maybe Mariah and she's like, sorry, just slicened it

997
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: out so I could add something to do with it. Um.

998
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: Another scene complicated by Lowen's age was the four way

999
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: phone call scene. Waters told Vulture, Lindsay was still a

1000
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: minor when we shot the movie, so and we only

1001
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: had about nine hours of shooting time with her. UM.

1002
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: So he had to shoot all of the actresses separately

1003
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: and composite together UM and achieve that all the masterful

1004
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: comic timing of that scene basically through deceit. He said.

1005
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: The trick behind it was that I shot everything at

1006
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: forty eight frames per second, which is basically a slow

1007
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: motion rate, but we recorded sinc sound, so in the

1008
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: editing room I could play it back at twenty four

1009
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: frames per second and have the characters talking like normal.

1010
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,959
Speaker 1: But when then they when they're listening. If I needed

1011
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: to mess with the time compression, I'd slip into slow motion.

1012
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: Your eye goes to the person who's talking, but for

1013
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: the people who aren't talking, unless they're doing some sort

1014
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: of vigorous activity, you won't notice if it goes into

1015
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: slow motion for a little bit and that neat. That's

1016
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: really interesting. Yeah, movie Magic. Most of the cast were

1017
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: older than Lohan, but not that old. Amanda say for

1018
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: you to just graduated high school. Lacy Ship turned twenty

1019
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: one while they were filming, Lizzie Kaplan was twenty two,

1020
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: Daniel Franzes he was one of the oldest at twenty six,

1021
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: and Jonathan Bennett was twenty three. Raggie's Surrender was actually

1022
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: younger than Lindsay Low and he was fifteen years old,

1023
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: but he was in the lead, so he obviously didn't

1024
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: have as much to do. Uh. Tinafe was thirty three

1025
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: when she wrote this. Uh. And in case you wanted

1026
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 1: to feel bad about what you've accomplished lately over the years.

1027
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: The one question I'm asked the most is if Lindsay

1028
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: is nice. Reggieves Surrendra said she is and was. She

1029
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: was one of the youngest people on set. She was

1030
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: sixteen years old, so I had to be tutored, have

1031
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: a chaperone, and had restricted working hours. She was very

1032
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: well respected for being professional and was capable of doing

1033
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: excellent work. This is really interesting to me and I'm

1034
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: so glad you found this. There were some interviews with

1035
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: the film's wardrobe and costume designer Mary Jane Ford. She

1036
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: was talking to Nylon in about her specific vision for

1037
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: the fashion in this film, and she said, I wanted

1038
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: it to be realistic but also have a timelessness. In

1039
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: costom design, you need to always project a little into

1040
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: the future. Because in this case, the movie came out

1041
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand of four, but we actually made it

1042
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: in two thousand three. It's something I never considered, so

1043
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: we had to be a little ahead of the game

1044
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: and look at a lot of different things. One of

1045
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: the first things you do when you want to go

1046
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: to the future in this country is you go to

1047
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: European fashion and see what they're doing, and then you

1048
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: take those colors and shapes and you try to modify

1049
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: it to fit a contemporary lifestyle for me and girls.

1050
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: We also went back into the world when women and

1051
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 1: girls actually dressed up to go to school in the fifties.

1052
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: Your nails were done, your hair was done, your dresses

1053
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: were impeccable. So it was a little bit of a

1054
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: combination of the future and the past to give it

1055
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: a contemporary feel. I just think that's really cool. Costom

1056
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: designer Mary Jane Ford continued, We read millions of teen

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Speaker 1: magazines and looked through millions of high school yearbooks from

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00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: all over the country, but real schools are not quite

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00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: as glossy, and we wanted a little more gloss given

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00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: the subject matter of the group. And as for the

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00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: individual plastics personalities, she explained, Regina sort of told everyone

1062
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: else what to do within the realm of that. Gretchen

1063
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: was a little more demere and a little sweeter, which

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00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: we sort of evoked with the cardigan, and Karen was

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00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: truly the follower. She would do a little bit of

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00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: either Regina or Gretchen and they would tell her what

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00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: to do, and she would do it. When you put

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00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: Katie into the mix and she begins to surpass Regina,

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00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: it became really fun. Regina slips into her juicy warmups,

1070
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,479
Speaker 1: which at the time was kind of couch potato week.

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00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: Lindsay had the most costume changes. She added probably around

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00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: fifty nine, but each one of them had over thirty changes,

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00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: and of course a lot of them took the clothes

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00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: home with them after filming wrapped. Fifty nine costume changes,

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00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: that's wild. I don't know any where else to put this,

1076
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: But I always thought this was funny because I was

1077
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: a big fan of movie Mortal Kombat as a kid,

1078
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: and so the ark of the Universe returns as it must. Um.

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00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: The song that plays over the closing credits of both

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00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: of those movies is Uh Hallicon plus all on and

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00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: On by Orbital. It's a techno dance song and because

1082
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: I owned the Mortal Kombat soundtrack is like nine minutes long. Yes,

1083
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: it's incredibly long. I recognized it instantly when I saw

1084
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: Mean Girls. That was like what and then learning about it.

1085
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: It's none of the film's official soundtrack, which is funny

1086
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: um because that's all like very era appropriate, like pop

1087
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: and pop punk adjacent stuff, But it is one of

1088
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: the most popular soundtrack choices of the era. When I

1089
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: started looking at it, I found it also appeared in Hackers,

1090
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: which is double whammy of being both in Mortal Kombat

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00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: and Hackers. That is power Uh and the second film

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00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: in Bammar Jerra's Camp Kill Yourself video series c K

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00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: Y two K, the song is oh Womp Womp. The

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00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: song is dedicated to the mother of one half of

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00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: the production team Orbital, Paul hartn all who was addicted

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00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: to the Tranquilizer houcy on for many years. So that's

1097
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: fun song I used to put on when I was

1098
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: literally ten eleven years old and had purchased the Mortal

1099
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: Kombat soundtrack. I think I asked for it for Christmas

1100
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: and received a little one boy rave. Well it was

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00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, the funniest thing about that soundtrack. It was

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00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: like a mix of dance and industrial music and like

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00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: Napalm Death is on there, so like I remember, but

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00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: like going through this soundtrack, it's like I was like

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00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: eleven years old listening to Eagle Eye Cherry and Semi

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00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: Sonic on the radio, and then I would go and

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00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: play the Mortal Kombat soundtrack and have it go from

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00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: Napalm Death to this orbital song and just sit in

1109
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: my room and be like, this is music. I mean,

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00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: it's like slightly more up tempo and really yeah oh yeah,

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00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, well on a less fun though, but still

1112
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: sort of fun. The song that Katie is eager to

1113
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: know at the school dance is built this way by

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00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: Samantha Ronson, who she would later date for a number

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00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: of years in the late two thousand's. That's that's a

1116
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: truly wild connection. Right, that's pretty good. As you mentioned earlier,

1117
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: Mean Girls opened on April four, debuting at number one

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00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: at the box office. Mark Waters told Cosmo UK the

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00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: week before, thirteen Going on thirty was released with Jennifer Garner,

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00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: which had a much bigger budget, more of a marketing

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00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: push behind it, so people thought it was going to

1122
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: crush us. Instead we crushed them, which was kind of surprising.

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Speaker 1: We were literally tracking to make twelve million and come

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00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: second the friday before we opened, and we were pleased

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Speaker 1: with that because the movie didn't cost a lot to make.

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00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: But then we opened with twenty five million at the

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00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: box office. It blew everyone's expectations away. For sure. I

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00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: didn't know it was going to be a big movie

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00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: the woman who started this whole thing, author Rosalind Wiseman,

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00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: told The Times. But the first time I saw Rachel

1131
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,479
Speaker 1: in the rough cut, I could not believe how good

1132
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: she was. My mom was with me, and I remember

1133
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: turning to her and saying, I can't believe how perfectly

1134
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: she got every mean girl I've ever worked with. Lizzie

1135
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: Kaplan added, I was much more naive about the business

1136
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: back then. I didn't know that much about say what

1137
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: a good opening weekend for a teen comedy was. But

1138
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: when I found out they were studying the movie in

1139
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: sociology classes at universities, that felt pretty big. The film

1140
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: has on Rotten Tomatoes currently. Roger Ebert gave it three

1141
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: out of four stars in his review, writing, in a

1142
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: waste land of dumb movies about teenagers, Mean Girls is

1143
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: a smart and funny one. Shockingly, it got some bad reviews.

1144
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: Richard Robert called it quote only kind of funny and

1145
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: so that he couldn't recommend it, and Anthony Lane of

1146
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: The New Yorker wrote, I would be more amused if

1147
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: the topic of rich material girls had not been worn

1148
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: to a thread elsewhere. These people are done. The movie

1149
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: has been lodged in best of lists of teen comedies

1150
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: and high school movies pretty much since its release, and

1151
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: it's obviously lived longest on the internet it and in

1152
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: the hearts and minds of its fans. Every cast member

1153
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: has stories about being confronted with lines from the film

1154
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: while they're out in public, and every Wednesday in October

1155
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: three you are statistically certain to run into screen grabs

1156
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: or gifts of the film on social media among me

1157
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: and girls prominent fans of the music world are Mariah

1158
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: carry who's two thousand nine single Obsessed begins with an

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01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: interlude quote where she says, and I was like, why

1160
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 1: are you so obsessed with me? Which is, of course

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01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: the line Regina George says in the movie. Ariana Grande

1162
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: obviously re enacted the film for her video for Thank

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01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: You next In, and most recently, British band wet Leg

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01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: quotes the film is your muffin buttered? Would you like

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01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: us to assign someone to butter your muffin? In the

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Speaker 1: song chaise long, let's say that in the French way,

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01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: chas long. That's my father, you saying that word. You've

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01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: said it a few times on this episode's is, for

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01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: some reason one of my favorite bits you do. Perhaps unsurprisingly,

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01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: Mean Girls was ignored by the major award shows that

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01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: we picked up teen Choice Awards for Lindsay Lohan in

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01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: three categories and MTB Movie Awards for Lohan McAdams, and

1173
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: then for all four Plastics for the Best on Screen Team.

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Speaker 1: This brings us to the question of why no sequels,

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01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: Tina Fey told Entertainment Weekly at the time, we did

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01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: want to start the conversation about the sequel, and for

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01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I was like, no, we shouldn't do that.

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Speaker 1: Now I look back and I'm like why, But now no,

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01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: it's too late now, she told Variety in eighteen. However,

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01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: maybe it's better because we can save all the energy

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01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: for this. With this being the aforementioned Mean Girls musical

1182
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: she wrote with her husband and thirty rock composer Jeff Richmond,

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01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: which premiered in Washington, d C. By Washington d C.

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01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: In two thousand and seventeen before opening on Broadway in aprilen.

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01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: Nominated for twelve Tony Awards and nine Drama Desk Awards

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01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: that year, it won Tina Fee an Award for Outstanding

1187
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: Book of a Musical at the Ladder And what has

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01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: been no sequel ever made. There has been a film

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01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: produced bearing the moniker Mean Girls Too, and this made

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01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: for TV sort of sequel aired on ABC Family which

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01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: is now free Form. In it was a standalone story

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01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: that actually had nothing to do with the original film

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01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: aside from having Tim Meadows reprises role as the school's principal.

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01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: This was not well received, but Hope Springs Eternal, not

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01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: least in the hearts and minds of the film stars

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01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: asked by Howard Stern in March two thousand sixteen, Tina

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Speaker 1: Fey said, in general, I don't know why I didn't

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Speaker 1: just try to do Mean Girls too. Everyone does sequels. Then,

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Speaker 1: in December of that year, Lohan told CNN that she

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Speaker 1: had already written a treatment for a potential sequel. She said,

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01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: I would love to have Jamie Lee, Curtis and Jimmy

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01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: Fallon in the movie. I've already written a treatment. I

1203
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: just need a response. I know Mark Waters, the director,

1204
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: he'd happily come back and in Jen c Lindsay Lindsay,

1205
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: Jamie Lee was in the other one, was in the

1206
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: other movie you did, Lindsay, No come back, don't go

1207
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: to Greece um. In January and the Wendy Williams Show,

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01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: Lohan told that host, I've harassed Tina and Lauren so

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01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: many times. It's becoming a bit stalker ish. I go

1210
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: to SNL when I'm in town, I go to Lauren,

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: I run to Steve Higgins. I think they're really focused

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01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: on the Broadway show right now. A year later, in

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01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: her Howard Stern interview, Lohan told him, I think they

1214
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: can't do it right now. I've spoken to Tina, but

1215
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: it can't happen without her and all of the cast.

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01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're like, it's just too soon to do it,

1217
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: But it's been fifteen years. I remember there being talk

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01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: of I think it was Warner Brothers, a New Line

1219
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: Cinema doing a spinoff with Jennifer Anderson the lead back

1220
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: in called Mean Moms, which was based on another book

1221
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Speaker 1: by Rosalind Wiseman, But then that got held up in

1222
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: development hell and seems to have died. Maybe Rosalind Wiseman

1223
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: was still pissed by getting burned from Mean Girls, and

1224
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: she killed it. I don't know. In April, but none

1225
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: of us had anything else on our minds Loewan was

1226
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: once again asked about Mean Girls Too by David Spade

1227
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Speaker 1: and confessed that she'd been hanging onto the idea of

1228
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: coming back to that project for a really long time,

1229
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: but that it was out of her hands to work

1230
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: with Tina Fee and the whole crew again and Mark Waters.

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01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: That was really what I wanted, she said. I was

1232
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: excited to do that, but that's all in their hands. Really. Oh,

1233
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,479
Speaker 1: I'm crashing and burning here. A few days later, Rachel

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01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: McAdams also expressed interest in reprising her role in a sequel,

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Speaker 1: after having declared in previous years that she would be

1236
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: up for it as long as Faye and was on board.

1237
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: She said, Tina was our master in chief on this one,

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01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: so if she's into it, then I'm into it. That's

1239
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: not Rachel, Rachel. That's not a term. No, it's master

1240
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: or commander and chief. You can't do both. I know

1241
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: they don't have either in Canada, but now maybe you

1242
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: don't know that. Maybe they have that. That's a position

1243
01:05:54,920 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: on the mountains or in rush Um. In August of two,

1244
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: Daniel Fronses talked on the Behind the Velvet Rope podcast

1245
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: with David Yomteff about a potential sequel reboot. He said,

1246
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: I would absolutely love it, and I would do it

1247
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: in any form whatsoever. I mean, I want to do

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01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: a whole movie with the whole cast. People would love that.

1249
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: You know, Tina PHE's got that power and she ain't

1250
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: pulling the trigger. So I don't know who else could

1251
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: do it. But considering the milestone coming up, he continued,

1252
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: I've been trying to write something now that has all

1253
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: of us in it. I think that within a year

1254
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: I could pitch it and you know it'll be fun.

1255
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: We're approaching the twentieth anniversary. What a great time to

1256
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: start something like that. A few months later, when of

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01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: Tina Fey's told us and l Buddies made a direct

1258
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: appeal to Tina herself. Asked by Jimmy Fallon in November

1259
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: two about Mean Girls Too, Lizzie Lohan answered, I think

1260
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: that's in Tina PHE's hands and Lauren Michael's and Jimmy

1261
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: turned directly into the camera and said, Tina, I know

1262
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: you're watching. Let's make that happen, which is the best

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01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: thing that Jimmy Fallon has ever done, and said basically,

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Speaker 1: he didn't break when he delivered that got him. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: the very last or at least most recent word that

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Speaker 1: I could find about this was for a December two

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Speaker 1: feature an Interview magazine where Amanda say Fried and Lindsay

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Speaker 1: Lohan discussed the sequel. Say Fried said I would kill

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Speaker 1: to do just one week all of us playing our

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Speaker 1: own roles on Mean Girls on Broadway. She was talking

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Speaker 1: about the musical because she said, Mean Girls two is

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Speaker 1: never going to happen, is it? And low End responded,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I heard something about it being a

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Speaker 1: movie musical, and I was like, oh, no, we can't

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Speaker 1: do that. It has to be the same tone, say

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Speaker 1: Freed continued. Anyway, Tina is busy, she'll get around to it.

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Speaker 1: So that is the final word for now. There are

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Speaker 1: treatments by Lindsay Lohan and Daniel Franzies out there, but

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Speaker 1: everyone says the balls in your court, Tina Fe, everyone

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Speaker 1: is game. Well. Mean Girls has obviously resoned with so

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Speaker 1: many because despite its caustic dressing, it has a good heart.

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Speaker 1: And I think, aside from its obvious quotability and instant

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Speaker 1: time capsule vibes as you say, that's why it stuck

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Speaker 1: so deeply in the pop culture. From him and Tina,

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Speaker 1: Fe told The New York Times Rosalind wanted the movie

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Speaker 1: to be positive, and I remember promising her that that

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Speaker 1: was the goal, to have a positive core, and damn it,

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Speaker 1: it does. Stephanie Drummond, who played Bethany Byrd, the character

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Speaker 1: with the aforementioned wideseat Vagina, told Cosmo. I remember eating

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Speaker 1: lunch with Tina and Amy as I was one of

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Speaker 1: the only supporting actors on set that day. We had

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Speaker 1: really good conversations because Tina had written us she was

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Speaker 1: so invested in us, it didn't ever feel divisive. I've

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Speaker 1: been on set afterwards that were far more divisive. I

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Speaker 1: still talked to pretty much everyone from Mean Girls Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Bennett played Aaron Samuel's told Cosmo, I talked to Lindsay yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I talked to Tina recently. I talked to Lacy and

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Speaker 1: Daniel all the time. Jan Carana right help me, jan

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Speaker 1: Core wanna my mom, and Emma and the Corona, who

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Speaker 1: plays one of the girls referred to as the girls

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Speaker 1: who eat their feelings told Cosmo uk I remember being

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Speaker 1: putting that group in the canteen was a little hard

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Speaker 1: because nobody wants to be known as that person. You

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Speaker 1: have to remember you're doing a job. But at the

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Speaker 1: same time, it did just make me feel a little

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Speaker 1: bit like, oh, this is what I am right now.

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Speaker 1: Later in the movie, my character calls Regina George a

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Speaker 1: fat ass, which is a bit of a come uppance

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Speaker 1: for her and a victory for Emma. But the genius

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Speaker 1: of Tina Phay's that later in the film, she basically says,

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Speaker 1: you can't make yourself feel better by making other people

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Speaker 1: feel worse. That is a perfect message. I looked at

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Speaker 1: the earlier canteen scene like this moment is for a

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Speaker 1: greater good. Because I knew how the movie was going

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Speaker 1: to end, with a message to stop judging women. I

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Speaker 1: was okay, I didn't feel exploited, and nobody ever made

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Speaker 1: me feel bad. May we all, even the meanest queen

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Speaker 1: bee among us, be so lucky or at very least,

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Speaker 1: may all over enemies get struck by a bus when

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Speaker 1: they least expected. Thank you for listening, folks, This has

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Speaker 1: been too much information. I'm Alex Heagle and I'm Jordan Runtalg.

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. The show's executive producers are

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Speaker 1: Noel Brown and Jordan run Talk. The show's supervising producer

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Speaker 1: is Michael Alder June. The show was researched, written, and

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