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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: Uh These are.

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Speaker 1: Some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited

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Speaker 1: together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: Miles.

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Speaker 1: We're thrilled to be joined in our third and fourth

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Speaker 1: by two of our favorite guests, a podcast producer and

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Speaker 1: a musician who hosted the Great Beauty Translated podcast celebrating

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Speaker 1: the trans experience and having a lot of fun along

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Speaker 1: the way. Please welcome Carmen larn and Janey Danger.

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Speaker 2: Cobler.

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Speaker 3: Zachi Kyler.

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Speaker 4: You're kind of channeling like a like an auction crier

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Speaker 4: at the beginning there.

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Speaker 5: Podcast every a very coveted scale that you have to

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Speaker 5: like go to school to learn how to do that.

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Speaker 4: Like that's like a fast like Buster rhymes could probably

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Speaker 4: be good out of Oh.

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Speaker 1: I don't any time, I know you can tell my Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Maybe now that there's no like space for them in

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Speaker 4: like popular music scene because of all the freaking mumble rap,

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Speaker 4: maybe they could.

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Speaker 3: They're all working as an auction crist is.

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Speaker 6: So hard to like process in the year of Our

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Speaker 6: Lord's twenty twenty four. Now, Like he did a video

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Speaker 6: recently on his social media where he was clearly just

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Speaker 6: somewhere where there was like a parked helicopter and he

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Speaker 6: had like an empty suitcase and he like hopped off

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Speaker 6: the rail. I was like, yo, I just got off

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Speaker 6: the helicopter and you're like, nothing's moving.

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Speaker 1: The door is shut and locked. Bro. I could tell

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Speaker 1: that case is so light. I'm like, why are we

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Speaker 1: still doing this?

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Speaker 4: Are not a helicopter. He's not allowed to be online.

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Speaker 4: Security is being dispatched immediately.

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Speaker 2: He's like the one security guard.

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Speaker 6: Good thing that He's like quickly, I love your album

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Speaker 6: Extreme Extinction Level Event, Bro.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, go ahead, you can hop on there. There's

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Speaker 4: like a guy. It's like a guy in a control

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Speaker 4: center like, yo, yeah, it's Buster Rhymes. You've got to

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Speaker 4: stop it, Like I'm sure it's him, Like yeah, multiple incidences.

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Speaker 1: Now, all the helipads across New York City just have

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Speaker 1: pictures of Buster Rhymes and he's off.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's always got to have a duffle on him,

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Speaker 6: just to pretend if you want to stunt, like, oh,

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Speaker 6: there's a park limitsine, let me pretend I got out.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we'll sup just got out the limbo. Do you

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Speaker 1: have anything after the preamble was just like, hey, you

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Speaker 1: know it's me anyway, get what happened.

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Speaker 6: I think everyone just kind of was so bummed out

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Speaker 6: by the action of just jumping out of like pretend

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Speaker 6: like you can almost feel like the camera guy gonna

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Speaker 6: be like and go you know what I mean, just

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Speaker 6: had the millennial pause. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just it was

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Speaker 6: so janky that yeah. I just everyone just is bummed out.

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Speaker 6: Didn't even hear the words.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, anyway, anyways, crazy right, that's what he says,

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Speaker 1: and I was about one ye. Yeah, I can't believe

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Speaker 1: those things can fly.

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Speaker 2: Anyways.

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Speaker 1: We do like to ask our guests, Carmen Jane, what

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Speaker 1: is something from your search history that is revealing about

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Speaker 1: who you are? Carmen, I will start with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Okay, my search history this week is actually quite boring,

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Speaker 5: and normally I'm searching some cool shit, but I've just

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Speaker 5: had three weeks ago. I'm going to talk about it

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Speaker 5: in my Underrated I just had a full FFS on

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Speaker 5: my face facial feminization surgery, and I don't like to

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Speaker 5: google these things before. I mean I do, I still do.

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Speaker 5: I just forget about I forget about cold. Yeah, I

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Speaker 5: like to go in cold. But now that I've had

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Speaker 5: everything done, I'm like googling each of the procedures. I

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Speaker 5: like to read the surgery notes that are in like

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Speaker 5: my mind chart app. And I also like to google

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Speaker 5: things to figure out what is what. And I'm just

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Speaker 5: looking at diagrams of like endoscopic brow lifts, PYPE three,

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Speaker 5: forehead reconstruction, right open rhinoplasty. I'm like really obsessed with

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Speaker 5: what they were doing to me while I was under.

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Speaker 1: So look amazing, congratulations three weeks later.

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Speaker 2: That's wild.

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Speaker 5: Yeah I never looked that bad. Actually it was all

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Speaker 5: thanks to pineapple juice and arnica. So drink your pineapple juice,

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Speaker 5: take your.

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Speaker 3: Pep.

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Speaker 5: It does not make your cum taste better, you know.

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Speaker 3: It kind of does.

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Speaker 4: I'm a truth about this. Car just hates pineapple, just

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Speaker 4: hates pineapples. Oh really, it doesn't make it better.

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Speaker 3: The only thing that makes your com taste better is

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Speaker 3: a beef burg and yawn.

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Speaker 5: The blin. It's supposed to help with bruising and swelling

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Speaker 5: as well as the arnica. So I like did a

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Speaker 5: double a double whammy. Wow, okay, Yeah, And I was

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Speaker 5: only bruised for about a week, so pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Oh is that is that the where'd you get that

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Speaker 1: cup from that looked like a hospital? Oh?

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Speaker 5: This is from my This is my little souvenir I

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Speaker 5: stole from the hospital university.

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Speaker 1: That's like, I love, I love a hospital ice cup.

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Speaker 3: It's been big.

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Speaker 1: That cup was designed to hold ice chips.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so yeah, I took it with me. I shout

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Speaker 5: out to Emory. They really got me together.

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Speaker 3: They're quite nice.

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Speaker 4: I got a sorr that would be good for like

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Speaker 4: bart and like making like a like a mint jewelip,

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Speaker 4: like something that needs like like crumbly ice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, you go in the hospital cup.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you call it the hospital or they don't walk

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Speaker 4: around the hospital drinking a mint jewel up Like I'm

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Speaker 4: at the Kentucky Derby. I'm likeating on who's gonna die

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Speaker 4: standing outside the hospital room like like within myself with

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Speaker 3: Come on, right, he's flat lining.

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Speaker 2: Come on.

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Speaker 3: They saved somebody's life, all right, Stop the count, stop

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Speaker 3: the keeping the nurses from going in. They're like, no,

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Speaker 3: I got a lot of money on this.

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Speaker 2: Something from your search history.

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Speaker 3: Oh you know my search history was kind of boring.

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Speaker 3: That's always funny.

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Speaker 4: It's like always like the same kind of like looking

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Speaker 4: up like I don't know, like how to find like

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Speaker 4: an item in Dark Souls or something, but like.

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Speaker 3: Something kind of interesting.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I want to go too far

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Speaker 4: into it because it's a lot and it's insane, But

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Speaker 4: you mentioned the like since Ariana Grande has been like

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Speaker 4: in the news so much lately, it reminded me of

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Speaker 4: this like very strange coincidence. If you google the words

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Speaker 4: death Grips, like the bands death Grips, like the Experimental

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Speaker 4: Wrap Trio and Ariana Grande, there's a lot of insane

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Speaker 4: like mash. Maybe maybe there's not no, it's it's darker

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Speaker 4: insane correlation between the band Death Gripts releasing their album

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Speaker 4: Steroids and the like bombing that happened in at a

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Speaker 4: Manchester like Ariana Grande concert where the album was released

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Speaker 4: on five, twenty two seventeen and its length is twenty

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Speaker 4: two minutes and thirty one seconds that the bombing occurred on.

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Speaker 4: Really wow, what do.

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Speaker 2: You want to do with it? Where were you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like I was at homegoings.

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Speaker 3: I fucking told you.

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Speaker 2: I told Janey, what did I tell you?

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Speaker 4: I'm should I should have just talked about how to

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Speaker 4: find the symbol of avarice and dark souls one.

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Speaker 6: There you go there, That's why I just go too. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: rab it, I'm the amount of things I'm seeing on

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Speaker 4: I my, yeah, are you looking it up? It is

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Speaker 4: like I don't know, it's not I don't like, I

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Speaker 4: don't know. I was thinking about this earlier this week

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Speaker 4: with the uh, did y'all talk about the Joe Rogan

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Speaker 4: believes in dragons kind of story that happened? Oh no,

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Speaker 4: my god no. So it was like a thing on

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Speaker 4: the View where one of those girls said, like, Joe

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Speaker 4: Rogan someone who like believes in dragons, And I'm not

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Speaker 4: a Joe Rogan fan, but the clip they were talking

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Speaker 4: about it kind of caused.

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Speaker 3: Like a flare up on like Twitter and stuff.

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Speaker 4: And the clip they were talking about was from like

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Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, when Joe Rogan was still like a little

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Speaker 4: bit like more on the more lighthearted, just like talking

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Speaker 3: You know, a monkey's really strong, you can grip your.

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Speaker 4: Face off, but yeah, it's like a it's like a hypothetical,

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Speaker 4: like what if like dragons were real, and like it's

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Speaker 4: just a more kind of fun conspiracy. It's a thing

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Speaker 4: that makes you go hm, as opposed to something that

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Speaker 4: like you just like lose your mind and you know,

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Speaker 4: end up doing like devastating things about So. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I just thought, I just think it's a very interesting

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Asking just asking some questions.

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Speaker 3: If there's any.

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Speaker 1: Anything other than interesting, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: If there's any if there's any Death Grips fans as listeners,

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Speaker 4: I bet they would.

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Speaker 3: They're probably a little weird as it is. They would

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Speaker 4: Bit of a bit, a bit of a hmm out

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Speaker 4: of this, or they'll lose their mind, or they'll be like,

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Speaker 4: this is talking directly to me.

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Speaker 2: There's a very.

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Speaker 1: Specific group of people who were arguing that Kendrick Lamar

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Speaker 1: and Father John Misty or somehow cosmically linked because the

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Speaker 1: albums at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Supposedly that is.

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Speaker 3: Really really weird.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially with this new one, because no one knew

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Speaker 4: this Kendrick Lamar album is coming out and fucking Father

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Speaker 4: Josh Till maybe he did, maybe that I haven't paid

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Speaker 4: the attention to Father John Mistis in a while, but

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Speaker 4: I do like the new album.

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Speaker 3: It's very pretty.

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Speaker 1: You play the Kendrick Lamar back album backwards and it's just.

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Speaker 2: Somehow.

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Speaker 4: Another another fun one like that is the like David

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Speaker 4: Bowie Kanye West one.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys know about that?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's like that.

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Speaker 4: If you look at the cover of Uh start Us

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Speaker 4: the Street, Yeah, the street he's standing on is cake.

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Speaker 2: I remember the.

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Speaker 3: Story is kind of like that.

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Speaker 4: The person that that Ziggy starred us or the person

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Speaker 4: that David Bowie is singing about who's like a rock

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Speaker 4: star who comes down to save the world and is

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Speaker 4: like a genre defining artist, is Kanye West. I feel

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Speaker 4: like we can probably put that one to bed by

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Speaker 4: everything about that checks out one unless unless what David

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Speaker 4: Billie meant was that like he's going to become like

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Speaker 4: an evil hit Larry and figure right the way that

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Speaker 4: maybe it.

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Speaker 1: Can restore balance to the force, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, and trains around on time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean he's doing great things for doing nitrous.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I think that you hear that

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Speaker 3: The only people that I knew who drank NOS were people.

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Speaker 4: There's also the new Little Uzivert album where allegedly there's

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Speaker 1: Bad after that. Yeah, it's not a thing I associate

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is something you think is underrated? The current

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Speaker 2: Lou Alessandro, I don't know what the fuck that guy's

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Speaker 1: Game is but I mean it seems like his endgame

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Speaker 2: And that's a thing, right, Lou Alexander. If people don't know,

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Speaker 2: But I think this is the same with Grush. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know Grush, I'm a grush boy. I'm a

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Speaker 2: Grush group is, yeah, networks, I mean it's gush. Social

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Speaker 6: But go ahead, Oh interesting, No, No, I mean I

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Speaker 1: Bro, I need us to not be alone, like I

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Speaker 6: This, but I also need to believe to needing need

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Speaker 2: You got to tune in brother the Tic takes the

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Speaker 2: Tic Take video from like three years ago. There was,

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Speaker 1: Like, just give me a fu something. Just give me

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Speaker 1: Just something a little bit more.

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Speaker 6: Because I think that's where most like, I think it

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Speaker 6: But now I'm like, what's the sort of next phase

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Speaker 1: Fucking right now, dude.

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Speaker 6: I mean they got a private gain that part too,

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Speaker 6: But but really, can I just make with it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't make sense that we have alien bodies

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Speaker 1: Trump hasn't done a press conference with one of them, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well, that wouldn't endorse him. So he's cut them off

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Speaker 6: But I mean, so, but what do you think because

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Speaker 1: Hey, I want to see him too. Let you see that.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Bro, I would love to smoke a joint

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Speaker 1: know you like to get wet.

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Speaker 2: PCP my man. Sure like when they sent Denis Robman

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Speaker 2: We love that song.

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Speaker 6: Drop it like it's hot. It just hit our airwaves

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I wouldn't want to smoke a joint with Neil

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Speaker 2: deGrasse Tyson, but I would with Snoop Dogg. No, no, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I feel like he would just start asking you what

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Speaker 1: you thought of him in various ways. Yeah, do you

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Speaker 2: Cousins? Well, you guys, this is interesting to me because

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Speaker 8: I feel like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't fuck with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then also just his general like there's a

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Speaker 2: And it just I don't know, I'm like, what are

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Speaker 1: Like, why why are you? Why are we even here?

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Speaker 1: and like sometimes I feel like he does that, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd never put my finger on it before, but

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 1: He just shows up places. That's a big stamp owned.

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Speaker 1: You've been degrassed, Yeah, Neil degrass. Tyson's punch out. The

442
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: worst any scam blake was something he thinks overrated.

443
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 9: George Armstrong Picket and his charge I think is incredibly overrated.

444
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 9: The man was massacred. No, I'm gonna go.

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00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: With actually that, I'm gonna go with that. I don't

446
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Speaker 1: know some more enough.

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00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 9: Okay, it was at Gettysburg Pickets charge. They ran up

448
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 9: a hill right into Union. Uh or in your world,

449
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 9: Jack the the other side, the bad guy, the Northern aggressors,

450
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 9: the Northern aggressors, and s.

451
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Speaker 6: George Armstrong is Custer by the way, Oh Custer was

452
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Speaker 6: George Armstrong Custer.

453
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Speaker 1: George ed George.

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Speaker 9: Pickett, Oh, George Edward Pickett.

455
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Speaker 3: Thank you, dude.

456
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Speaker 6: I pick up a lot from hanging out with Jack

457
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 6: because he shows me all of these cards and like.

458
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 1: And that was my passive aggressive way of correcting. You say, wow,

459
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: I don't I actually don't know that one a little

460
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: bit about it. You have a George Edward Oh you

461
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: mean George Edward Pickett.

462
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: Mistake.

463
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Speaker 9: I'm sorry.

464
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: I thought you knew about some Civil War battle that

465
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: I was unfamiliar with.

466
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 2: But you were wrong.

467
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 6: This is the weirdest lib version about arguing about the

468
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 6: Confederacy show.

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Speaker 9: In this scenario, Jack is just a bigot that I

470
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 9: got him a William to come say Sherman card and

471
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 9: he crossed out to come say so quick with a

472
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Speaker 9: with a permanent marker. And that's that's another general. And

473
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 9: if you want to correct me on that middle name,

474
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 9: you're fucking wrong.

475
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: You say George.

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Speaker 6: You said William to comes to Sherman, Right, yeah, yeah, George,

477
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 6: George Edward Pickett, excuse me, George Armstrong Custer. People say,

478
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 6: you know, he fucked up. Georgia is so bad. That's

479
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 6: why so much of the bad feelings about the Confederacy

480
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 6: rising up remained to this day.

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Speaker 9: He could have taken off the gas a little bit.

482
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 9: I think General Sherman was went a little too hard.

483
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Speaker 6: Hey, he said he'd make Georgia hal and he did.

484
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Speaker 6: He did not a liar yet, drunk but not. I

485
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 6: read his book a few of it. I really am

486
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 6: interested in Sherman. He's just kind of a fucking weird guy.

487
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 2: I read it pinned down.

488
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 6: He's hard to pin down where he stood on like slavery,

489
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 6: but he knew he hated people that liked slavery. It's

490
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 6: just like his writings are very all over the place.

491
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 6: But he hey, man, you can, I'll take it.

492
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for real.

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00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 6: What's crazy too, because all of his ship, he didn't

494
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 6: get to fight in any of the wars, so he

495
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 6: just spent his time riding his horse around the South

496
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 6: and then so and like he missed all these other

497
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 6: bigger wars like the Seminole Water showing up late.

498
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Speaker 1: He's getting passed over.

499
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Speaker 6: So then by the time the Civil War hit, He's like, bro,

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Speaker 6: I know this fucking entire map like the back of

501
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 6: my hand. I've just been listening to fucking emo music

502
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 6: on my horse this whole time.

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Speaker 9: I'm ready put me in. If that guy had like

504
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 9: four pent up wars.

505
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: In him and.

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00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, a little little freaky m m all right,

507
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Speaker 6: So that let's take a quick break.

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Speaker 2: Whatever that was that was your overhead thing, Okay, George.

509
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: Something, Edward Pickett's charge, Edward Pickett's charge. That's right, all right,

510
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Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. Well, come right back and

511
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Speaker 1: talk about Drake. We're Ryanan.

512
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: And we're back. We're back and we're back.

513
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is time press ask you both, what

514
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: is something you think is underrated? Janey, you want to

515
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: kick us off this underrated?

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00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 4: Okay, So this is another another one I've just been

518
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 4: kind of thinking about a lot lately as we like

519
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 4: further like descend into like horrific fascism. But I really

520
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 4: I really hate these people. I really hate like the

521
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 4: world right now. I really hate a lot of things.

522
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 4: But one thing that is really kind of like just

523
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 4: sticking with me, that has stuck with me, like since

524
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 4: the election is seeing all of these like tasteless losers

525
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 4: like gloating and being happy and you know not I

526
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 4: would never, by any means hand it to the Nazis,

527
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 4: But the Italians had some style, you know, they had

528
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 4: some swag.

529
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: You know.

530
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 4: In fact, I think if I remember my history correctly,

531
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 4: they were only in it for the suits. These people

532
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 4: like seeing these motherfuckers like be like, oh my god,

533
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 4: church is so aesthetic to going, like having a family

534
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 4: is so base, like all these like boring just boring

535
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 4: signifiers of like white Protestant Christianity and touting it as

536
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 4: this like aesthetic standard of like beauty.

537
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 3: It's like what happened to taste?

538
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 4: Like what happened to like I don't know, like I

539
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 4: seem to maybe like I'm retconning this in my mind,

540
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 4: but like I seem to remember like evil fascists had

541
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 4: some form of like I don't know, like taste like

542
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: like salo like like they were like I don't know,

543
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 4: like they were they had they had some kind of

544
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 4: evil elegance to them. But I guess it's just like

545
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: distinctly American that like our form of fascism is like

546
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: they're making beef tellow come back to McDonald but it's

547
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 4: so gross.

548
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 5: I mean, the only I use as beefcallo.

549
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but is actually it's just so gross.

550
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: Like I maybe we were cool after all all along

551
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: because president, because we're in power the thing that's always cool, right,

552
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand the theory that they they're

553
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: like we won the guy we like won the presidential election,

554
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: and therefore maybe we were cool.

555
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: Right, that's presidents aren't cool.

556
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

557
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 4: It also it also ties them with the whole like

558
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 4: people like being like the whole kind of push to

559
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 4: make conservatism seem like countercultural, seem like punk rock and stuff.

560
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, well, now you control every chamber of government.

561
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 4: How fucking punk rock is that? Like how rage against

562
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 4: the machine is that?

563
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 3: Dude? Like it's it's fucking ridiculous.

564
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: Like it's just these people make no good art, no

565
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 4: good music, no good nothing, and they get to walk

566
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 4: around like they're like the symbols of like aesthetic beauty,

567
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 4: and I hate it.

568
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: It makes me so what are there?

569
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? I heard somebody bring this up.

570
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: I forget who it was, but I do, Like I'm

571
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna listen, but who I want somebody to

572
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: listen to their podcasts Once Trump is an off, Like

573
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: what are they They're gonna just be like, man, the

574
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: president is cool?

575
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah.

576
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 4: And Also another weird thing is how like all these

577
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 4: like especially if you're like still like on Twitter, like

578
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 4: all of these like right wing accounts like to use

579
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 4: like AI, which is like I thought you guys were

580
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 4: the ones that had like bronze age statues as like

581
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: your avatars and.

582
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: Being like this is like peak like blah blah blah.

583
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 4: It's like but now you're all like proudly touting like

584
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 4: AI slop like it's it's ugly. Every everything is ugly,

585
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 4: and it's I just hate it. I hate not that,

586
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 4: like fascism would be better if it was pretty, so

587
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: it's for the record, it would still be horrible.

588
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: But they're not even bothering with that part.

589
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 4: Yes, I think that's what is that we're not even

590
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: bothering with Like yeah, it's just everything's ugly.

591
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 3: Everything is a mara fat and gross and I hate it.

592
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like when history books look back on this period

593
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: of fascism, it's gonna be like, wait, how did they

594
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: fall for this ship?

595
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: It so awful, I know, Yeah yeah.

596
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not who who made the quote about like

597
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 4: we couldn't like destroy any American cultural landmark because their

598
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 4: cultural landmarks are like McDonald's and SpongeBob.

599
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: You know, we spread them out like oxygen, trying to

600
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: take us down, try and take it.

601
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and isn't that what's cool?

602
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

603
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, if they if they if we don't get the

604
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 4: Beef's sallow backs a terrorist one.

605
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: That's right, right exactly. Carmen was something you thinks underrated.

606
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 5: Oh, I think getting your whole face done is so underrated.

607
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 5: And this is for assists people too. If you if

608
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 5: you don't like something about your face, go and see

609
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 5: a plastic surgeon. Baby. Now, granted, mine was covered by insurance,

610
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 5: and it did cost two hundred thousand dollars for the insurance,

611
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 5: not for me, but I got a ten hour surgery

612
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 5: on the day before election day, and Janie came and

613
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 5: visited me in the hospitals. But the day with me

614
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 5: in the hospital in fact on election day, and it

615
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 5: was just a great time. I loved getting surgery. I

616
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 5: love being in the hospital. I you know, it's great.

617
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: And I'm the one person who had a good election day.

618
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: Wow, horrible election day.

620
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I will say I was watching from my bed

621
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 5: in the hospital and I was like, you know what

622
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 5: this is.

623
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: This fucking sucks.

624
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 5: And I quickly emailed my my other surgeon to schedule

625
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 5: my fucking breast augmentation.

626
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 4: So I was trying to make her feel better too,

627
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 4: Like I was like, I brought her some soup, like

628
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: we're hanging out.

629
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: She was like a little worried about it. I was like,

630
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: you know, I think it's going to be close.

631
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 4: And this was my opinion for a long time, like

632
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be really close, but I

633
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: think she'll eke it out at the end. I even

634
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 4: had a kind of fun theory in my head that

635
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: maybe the Democrats would lose the popular vote. But when

636
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 4: the Electoral College obviously none of this, none of this

637
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 4: came to be. But I felt like bad because like

638
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 4: I I lied to her. Yeah, I told her everything

639
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 4: was going to be okay, and.

640
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: I was just I don't know.

641
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 4: I felt bad because I pay attention to this stuff,

642
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 4: and I like, I mean not saying Carmen doesn't, but

643
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: like all of my people that I knew, I was

644
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 4: trying to like reassure them, like, look, I think she'll

645
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 4: eak it out. I think it's gonna be okay. Yeah right,

646
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 4: And I was not really wrong. They hand down the

647
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 4: road for a couple more years.

648
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fine.

649
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: Guys. Trump was so cool the first time. Everything he

650
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: was so dumb.

651
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: He was so dumb.

652
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: He couldn't even do nothing. Oh my god, night is

653
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: about to get so funny.

654
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 4: Punk, We're about to get another American idiot guys like

655
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: I won't say real quick. I spent election night playing

656
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 4: a board game called Storm the Capitol with my bandmates.

657
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 4: We were supposed to be practicing, but I was like, God,

658
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 4: I'm too distracted. Can we just play this board game?

659
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: And it's a board game made like by J six

660
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: No it was it was made by Yeah, it was

661
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: made by like ironic, like lefty, like podcaster type.

662
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 4: It's a very fun board game. It shouts out to

663
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: the Storm the Capitol. Board game you play is like

664
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Speaker 4: The Capitol Police versus. It's like it's like an insurrection

665
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 4: Monopoly mixed with like a Magic the Gathering type combat system.

666
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: It's really fun.

667
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 6: Like so then are you as Capitol Police like faced

668
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 6: with like a card. It's like do you acknowledge your

669
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 6: inner inclinations to support these people and look.

670
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: The other way? Or do you do your job?

671
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: No, it's more like it with Biked Alaska.

672
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 4: I have like the Capitol Police is like the Dungeon

673
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: Master kind of and you control like three different police

674
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: officers and then everyone else is like the insurrectionists and

675
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 4: they have to go through flipping desks to find ballots

676
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 4: and once they find enough ballots, they have to get

677
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 4: to the Great Rotunda, climb onto the roof, and go

678
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: and meet President Trump for his victory. And I'm trying

679
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: to stop that and you get like car there's like

680
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 4: event cards where you have to like sing the national

681
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: anthem and its entirety. There's one that's like a fuck

682
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 4: Mary Kill type thing. The event cards are really fun.

683
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 4: It's really fun and it's entirety, like with the slavery

684
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 4: versus I don't know, we don't know about that. As

685
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 4: the dungeon Master, when I did that, I well, my

686
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 4: friend didn't know the national anthem, so I don't think

687
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 4: he would have known the I don't think he would

688
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 4: have known. The remix of it.

689
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: No, I just feel like that would be like the

690
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: deep cut of that game. It's like, no, the full version.

691
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 4: Well, if you're playing as Capitol Police, you can. You

692
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: have free will to to throw in things like that

693
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 4: if you want.

694
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: I feel like it's gonna be uh, it's gonna have

695
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: the same evolution as the game Monopoly, where like Monopoly

696
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: started as a satire of capitalism.

697
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: Now it's just like, oh yeah, yeah, it would be

698
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 4: funny seeing conservatives like they're in prison playing.

699
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: Start to get bought by Parker Brothers.

700
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 3: There's nothing like the real thing. What is something, Carmen

701
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: that you think it is overrated?

702
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think it's gonna anyone's surprised. But the US,

703
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 5: the US sucks. I went on. I left the country

704
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 5: for the first time in October. I went to Miles's

705
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 5: homeland of.

706
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: Age, Japan with my mom, who knows based on what

707
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: Trump does.

708
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what do it?

709
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 5: Because you can buy a really nice house in Japan

710
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 5: for not much money, which is pretty great. But I'm

711
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 5: a total wiaboo now because they fucking blew my mind

712
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 5: with the public transportation over there. Imagine that every city

713
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 5: has inner city transportation on a train that comes like

714
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 5: every two minutes. And imagine that you could get on

715
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 5: a bullet train and go fucking anywhere you want to

716
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 5: in the country. And imagine that the trains don't smell

717
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 5: like piss.

718
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: Because they smell like pooh.

719
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: Don't smell like poo galaxy gas flavor galaxy.

720
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 5: But imagine that every train station and is a fucking

721
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 5: mall with public restrooms and like shops and like lockers

722
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 5: and all of this shit. I'm just like, wow, they

723
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 5: are like in the year like four thousand and twenty four.

724
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: I feel like you're describing so many sci fi universes

725
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: that I've seen, and it's just like, nah, we just

726
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: went to Japan and like showed all what looks like.

727
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: And you guys were like, wow, sandwich on the train platform.

728
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, imagine if we fucking cared enough about our

729
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 5: own people to do public transportation right like that, it

730
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 5: would never happen.

731
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: And they get to be a fascist country too.

732
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: They did it.

733
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they did their things.

734
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 5: I was actually there during up the political uh, like

735
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 5: when the election campaign was kicking off, so I saw

736
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 5: a bunch of like stump speeches, and some of them

737
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 5: sound I obviously didn't know what they were saying, but

738
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 5: the tenor was yes, you know, and I know that

739
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 5: they do have very nationalists like politics.

740
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

741
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 8: Yeah.

742
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 6: So it's like even for me, like I love being

743
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 6: in Japan, but like there's still that part where like

744
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 6: I'm not really considered Japanese like so broadly in through

745
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 6: the eyes of like traditional Japanese culture, which fucking sucks

746
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 6: because I speak Japanese fluently without an accent and people are.

747
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: Like, where'd you learn how to talk like that?

748
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: And I'm always like, because I'm Japanese right right.

749
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 4: You're like the uh you know those YouTube videos where

750
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: it's like white boy goes to Chinese village speaks fluent Mandara.

751
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: And locals.

752
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: Like how would you do that? Brown skin?

753
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 5: And I'm like, my mother had several moments where they

754
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,479
Speaker 5: made fun of me for because I tried to speak

755
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 5: as much Japanese as I possibly could, because I understood

756
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 5: that like that's the most one of the most respectful

757
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 5: things that you can do, and I, you know, try

758
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 5: to follow like the customs and stuff for as best

759
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 5: I could. But one time, you know, I was like, Ohio,

760
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 5: because I'm you know, like to the like attendant at

761
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 5: the seven eleven, and then the guy, the Japanese guy

762
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 5: who came after me was like, good morning, and I

763
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 5: was like, fun of me.

764
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: Right now, I do the same thing when I'm practicing Spanish,

765
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 4: Like when I'm like working somewhere with a bunch of

766
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 4: Spanish people, I'll well, I'll try to like practice my

767
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 4: Spanish and they'll be like, oh no, it's okay, Like

768
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 4: like I feel like the only way I could learn

769
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 4: is if I was like, had like a dialogue with someone,

770
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 4: but don't like they just they don't. I guess it's

771
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 4: not their emotional labor to teach me Spanish, right.

772
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, no, I want to. I want to.

773
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 2: I want to do it. I want to Kiero yo,

774
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: Kiero to do it.

775
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: Caro practice card Spanol.

776
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: No, okay, I want to be like Denzel Washington and

777
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 3: training day.

778
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: Right right right, yeah, you want to be smooth with it.

779
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: I get I'll tell you, man, somebody smoke PCP.

780
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: You never get a ride with Janie. Watch you hit

781
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: this real quick. Damn Carmen, I didn't know he got wet.

782
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, Carmen, that's galaxy.

783
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 5: That's what she did on the day she came to

784
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 5: visit me in the hospital.

785
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: I just ripped my face off.

786
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: I was like, I gave you the bowl of soup.

787
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: He has some super like oh ship, Carmen.

788
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: I like to get wet like this soup. No.

789
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: I walked in.

790
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 4: I walked in there and some biton that brings the

791
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 4: nurse and I was like, she's in pain. I like

792
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 4: took the percocets from her. I was like thanks.

793
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: I walked out.

794
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: See you later, Karmen, good luck with face, Janie.

795
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 2: What's something he thinks overrated?

796
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 3: Percocets and Galaxy Gas? No, just kidding.

797
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say. I don't know if you'll talk about this,

798
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: but Blue Sky is overrated. Okay, the Twitter alternative is overrated.

799
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: And I'm only saying this because I will acknowledge it

800
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 4: is a lot better than Twitter as a social media

801
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: app because there's you know, you can log on see

802
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 4: people do all the things Twitter does, and there's just

803
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 4: like ninety nine percent less little hitler's running around and

804
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 4: ruining everyone's day. But I see a lot of people

805
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: make kind of like small bean posting about it, like oh.

806
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: It's so nice.

807
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 3: It's so nice have a little like safe pace like that, And.

808
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 4: It's making me feel crazy because have we not forgotten that,

809
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 4: Like social media is just like bad, like like the

810
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 4: concept of social media is not good. Like every time

811
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 4: every second you spend on it, you'd be better off suited,

812
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 4: like reading a book or.

813
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: Like tea, Like, yeah, I don't doing anything else.

814
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: This guy is health food. It's what I'm going to

815
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: be doing instead of spending time with my children. Yeah,

816
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: I know, George ti Kai's posts are fairly wholesome. Yeah,

817
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: because AOC is here and she yeah, like it's just

818
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: it's I don't want to say it's I am on

819
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: Blue Sky as an alternative to Twitter, but I also

820
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: have the same It was in the running for my

821
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: over age. I know you were going to say that yesterday.

822
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: I remember that.

823
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 8: Yeah.

824
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: Wow. I just there's so much of it as like

825
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: people being and I'm not siding with because I think

826
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: like Nazis are also like coming and being like blue

827
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: Sky sucks.

828
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 3: It's like an echo chamber.

829
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, just spent forty four billion dollars making

830
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: your own echo chamber.

831
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: So like, but it does just feel like a.

832
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: Lot of the content that gets surfaced is people talking

833
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: about how good blue blue, how good it feels to

834
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: be on Blue Sky. Yeah, like not enough, just like oh,

835
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: this is what I would get on Twitter, except without

836
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: the Nazis, which is what I'm there for.

837
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 6: I think it's like the difference between like drowning and

838
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 6: water and drowning in boiling water, where it's like Twitter

839
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 6: for like, oh I was drowning and boiling water is terrible. Yeah,

840
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 6: so nice to be drowning in a regular water.

841
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 5: High also it's doom.

842
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. True.

843
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 4: It makes me like even before Elon Musk bought Twitter,

844
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 4: you were having like these same people being like oh

845
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 4: another day on late bird app hell sites and it's

846
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 4: like you were calling this a hell site before, Like

847
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 4: now you have another hell site, like you have another

848
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 4: Like the whole point of Twitter is just to like

849
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 4: see things that make you kind of mad real quick,

850
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 4: like to see things that make you like disagree, start conversations.

851
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 4: And Blue Sky really isn't that much different, Like I mean,

852
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 4: there's a lot of the fun things. There's a lot

853
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 4: of people I like that are funny. There's a lot

854
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 4: of funny jokes, Like social media can be like fun,

855
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 4: and blue Sky has the legs for it to be

856
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 4: like fun now that it has like people on it.

857
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 4: But let's just not like kid ourselves, Like social media

858
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 4: is not like good and like making like another one

859
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 4: even though it's less you know, overtly hitilari and it's

860
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: not really like good for you.

861
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

862
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 6: Well, And I think the other part too is when

863
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 6: you really think about it, Like I obviously once after

864
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 6: the election, I'm like, all right, thish's fully cooked. But

865
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 6: a lot of the thing too, I feel like there

866
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 6: are a lot of like libs who were like don't

867
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 6: want to face the Twitter reality of it, and they

868
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 6: want to go to the blue sky version of whatever

869
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 6: political reality they want to be in. And because the

870
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 6: moderation is better, they're interacting less with the posts that

871
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 6: are like reminding them of like how terrible the campaign

872
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 6: was and how it failed, and you can sort of

873
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 6: surround yourself with like other people.

874
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: And like, oh, I mean the Dems did pretty good, man,

875
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: for like you.

876
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 5: Think about it with the Chinese great idea?

877
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean like yeah, for me,

878
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 6: I think the one good thing is like it does

879
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 6: feel like if the people I talk to are who

880
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 6: they are and it's moderated.

881
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: But again that's a slippery slope because.

882
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 6: You excel you we look like a couple of years

883
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 6: down the line, and inevitably it's gonna have the same

884
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 6: problems Twitter did.

885
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, quite it is.

886
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 4: It is like it does feel better, like I like,

887
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 4: as opposed to Twitter. It certainly does feel better not

888
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 4: having like the blue checks, not having all the gimmick posts,

889
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 4: not having as much AI slop, and not having to

890
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 4: deal with again just millions of little fucking Hitler's running around,

891
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 4: But I mean, I don't know, I don't know how

892
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 4: happy I should really be about that, Like I don't know,

893
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 4: like and also it's very concerning that like Twitter, like one,

894
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 4: Like it's very concerning that like Elon Musk, like his

895
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 4: like whole gambit like that he didn't even want to

896
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 4: do to begin with that. He tried to wriggle his

897
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 4: way out of that. It eventually worked. He turned it

898
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 4: into a right wing media sphere. And I mean, I

899
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 4: can't I'm not gonna confidently say like that like swung

900
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 4: the election anyway, but like it worked, you know, like

901
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 4: like all these other things, like true social parlor, all

902
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 4: those like conservative things didn't work. But buying Twitter and

903
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 4: transforming it in the way that he did obviously had

904
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: some kind of like net benefit.

905
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 3: And that is a bit concerning.

906
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 4: Like who's to say, like, I don't know, someone else

907
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 4: doesn't come along and do this to Facebook meta like Instagram,

908
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, China, please hold onto TikTok, we

909
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 4: need you, President G. I'm still in line to vote

910
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 4: for President G.

911
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: In line.

912
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 9: Yeah.

913
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: I feel like the tech billionaires might do it themselves.

914
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: They might do it for like Mark Zuckerberg might not need.

915
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: To sell face.

916
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: No exactly, That's what I'm saying.

917
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: It seems to just be damnit.

918
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 6: He wants to actually pretty cool so he can keep

919
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 6: putting up his SoundCloud wrap tracks with T Page.

920
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: That's all like.

921
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 6: Thank be, Like, I don't want to do all that

922
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 6: faschip dude. I just kind of want to wear chains

923
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 6: and kind of let y'all know. I'm I kind of

924
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 6: low key wish. I wish I was a black guy in.

925
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 4: College outside that we were supposed to get the like

926
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 4: Elon Mark Zuckerberg fight that would have actually been like

927
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 4: kind of fun and entertaining.

928
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: To shake Paul Mike Tyson fight. It's not too late, though.

929
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 6: We are just in like open oligarchy now, so I

930
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 6: think like maybe we're we as the you know HOI

931
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 6: POLLOI we can we can maybe motivate them to fight

932
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 6: each other to prove to us who we should follow.

933
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: What happens to feel like a Trump's version of Putin's

934
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: oligarchy would be instead of like god, damn, these people

935
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: have the slipperiest balconies at their uh their windows, keep

936
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: following the he would just have them like fight to

937
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: the death for his entertainment and the Octagon.

938
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of on Netflix Audiator glad Jator, Yes, Gladiator.

939
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: So all right, let's take another break. We're going to

940
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: come back and we will hit a couple of news stories.

941
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: We'll be right back and we're back.

942
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: And it is that time of the year where news

943
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: stories have to be written in advance as journalists go

944
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: on vacation, and so the dictionaries of the world come

945
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: together and give them a little a nice little layup

946
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: with by naming a bunch of words of the year

947
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: or a new word that we're adding to the dictionary

948
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: this year. And they're hit and miss, you know, like

949
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: Miriam Webster like hits hits sometimes with like one, it's like, yeah,

950
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's so weird. That wasn't a word this

951
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: time last year, and now it's like in the lexicon.

952
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 6: I think it was authentic was their Webster's Disha word

953
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 6: of the year. But we know about on that before,

954
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 6: but that that one was number two. But riz riz

955
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 6: is like a word that's I can't stop here. I

956
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 6: love as young people are just telling me. I've got

957
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 6: it constantly everywhere I go. But I feel like the

958
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 6: one thing we can count on is dictionary dot com

959
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 6: is going to fuck it up. So last year their

960
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 6: word of the year was hallucinate, as in AI hallucinates,

961
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 6: which is bullshit, Like that's that's AI is not hallucinating.

962
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: AI is just making ship up because it's long, because

963
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: it's bad technology, and it's they just like chose a

964
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: like buzzword used by AI marketers to try and like

965
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: spice up what their how their AI fucks up to be.

966
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 6: Like trying to use that in your job when you

967
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 6: fuck up and see if you don't get fired and

968
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 6: you're like, oh, sorry, hallucinating like a motherfucker back.

969
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: Sorry, I crashed the folk left I was hallucinating. Why

970
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 2: how would I need to get into the y?

971
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean every time your auto correct like puts

972
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: the wrong word in, call that a hallucination like that,

973
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: because that's essentially all the AI is doing.

974
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 2: It's just being.

975
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: Programmed incorrectly and like pointing in the wrong direction.

976
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 2: And making things.

977
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: I mean, really, what it is is AI is designed

978
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: to give you an answer, whether it has the right

979
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: answer or not, and so it will make one up. Anyways,

980
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: this year, dictionary dot Com went with demure as the

981
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: word of the year for twenty before.

982
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: I like the video that used demure.

983
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: I haven't enjoyed a single reference, like a single person

984
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: being like this is very demure, like in reference.

985
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: To that video right now.

986
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: It does.

987
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: It just was immediately like nobody's like really used it

988
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: in a fun way.

989
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: It sucked right away.

990
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 6: I feel like, yeah, it's it's it's fine, like whatever,

991
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 6: Like you're just saying like that was a cool moment

992
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 6: on TikTok. But then it's also a thing where now,

993
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 6: like you, a lot of us are like, dude, stop

994
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 6: fucking saying that, like just like, yeah, shit is cooked already,

995
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 6: Like we're done. That's why I guess hallucinate is better

996
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 6: and more because it's referencing something that is going to

997
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 6: affect all of us and even if they're not, you know,

998
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 6: sort of interrogating that in a more meaningful way.

999
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: It's the word is hallucinate.

1000
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 6: Whereas again, when you look at oh, you said, oh,

1001
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 6: of course, yeah, I understand the trans girlies love and

1002
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 6: demure because I know the creator of that. There was

1003
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 6: a whole thing I remember because the IP got stolen

1004
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 6: and there's all this problem who can use demure and

1005
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 6: all this other shit but the thing with like you

1006
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 6: look at like just other words of the year that

1007
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 6: feel that they encapsulate things they feel.

1008
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess who partying me is like,

1009
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: why do I even give a fuck? The world's fucking.

1010
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 6: Ending man, and we're talking about TM mirror because in

1011
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 6: shitification was the I don't know, I've never heard of

1012
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 6: this dictionary, probably because I'm American.

1013
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: The Macquarie Dictionaries word of the Year.

1014
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: Christ was Squary, the guy who wrote Usual Suspects.

1015
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, is in shitification. But it's also interesting the

1016
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 6: honorable mention. One of the honorable mentions is raw dogging,

1017
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 6: So maybe we always do need to reference something from

1018
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 6: social media as our word of the year.

1019
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: I'll, i'll yeah raw dog.

1020
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 6: But even then I'm even dubious about people that are

1021
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 6: actually raw dogging flights. I know there are some people

1022
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 6: who literally don't need anything, but to so many people

1023
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 6: were posted shit like ya, I just raw dog the

1024
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 6: whole flight, the fucking Berlin fam.

1025
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: No you didn't wait, did it? Sorry? Did one of

1026
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 2: the dictionaries leaned its hift of word the year to

1027
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: rule dogging or was it like a finalist that was.

1028
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: For Acquari's yeah, that was a honorable mentions out and

1029
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: gertification word of the year, I mean, right to disconnect

1030
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: and raw dogging we're honorable, man. Yeah, basically a word

1031
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: for sobriety.

1032
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 2: I like, well, let's be real, raw dogging is having

1033
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: six without a condom on, Like that's what that is,

1034
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: what there comes from that They are mainlining, you know

1035
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 2: the term the dictionary, the stage square poindixters at the dictionary.

1036
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 2: You know what we fucked too, raw dogging? Will we're

1037
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: actually cool guys and we got to parties. Yeah, yeah,

1038
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: well look we'll see, we'll see.

1039
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 6: We don't still don't know Webster's word of the year,

1040
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 6: and we'll cover year and review of.

1041
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: The years and review articles that we do at the

1042
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: end of the year. Did you were the were the

1043
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 1: youths of New Zealand using demurror a lot?

1044
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: Do you know?

1045
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: I mean obviously cause social media has created such a

1046
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: global culture.

1047
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, did you hear? Definitely ahead of my I

1048
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: produce too Queer podcast basically, and yeah, demure he hit

1049
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: a big moment. But it's like culture moves so quickly.

1050
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: Now these memes like move through the population. They go

1051
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: they hit so big and they're there for about three

1052
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: afternoons and then it's on to the next thing, which

1053
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: does make it tricky. You know, if you're going to

1054
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 2: start leaning into internet culture to determine your word of

1055
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 2: the year, it's like dog shit has gone way too quick.

1056
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wait, I think that's what I'm like. It

1057
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: just immediately felt like a fifty five year old magazine

1058
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: editor was like, all right, you need to get me

1059
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: five headlines with demure in it. Like every time I

1060
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: saw it used after the initial video was just just

1061
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: felt like people trying to fucking fit it in and

1062
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: like having no familiarity with the culture and like how

1063
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: how it was being used.

1064
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: Just felt like, l city, Can I throw something up

1065
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: at you guys and you can, like feel free to

1066
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: you cut this right, yeah if you want. I just

1067
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 2: like I think the whole the hikoy thing in the

1068
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: treaty moment we're heaving in New Zealand at the moment,

1069
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: I would feel bad to not at least float the

1070
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: balloon to talk about that as a dude from New

1071
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: Zealand with the audience that you guys have. And I'm

1072
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: not very like super well versed on it, but I

1073
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 2: just think it's such a crazy important thing that's happening

1074
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: at the moment, and if you guys wanted a little

1075
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: sort of information on the ground about.

1076
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: That, yeah, I would love to hear about how it

1077
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: feels in New Zealand right now, and yeah, just what's happening.

1078
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 6: But tim, I do want to ask because in America

1079
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 6: we get very narrow sort of depictions of what is

1080
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 6: happening outside of the US, especially if it's intersecting with

1081
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 6: things like indigenous culture. But I know, a few weeks ago,

1082
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 6: or maybe it was last week now, at this point,

1083
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 6: time flies so slow and fast. At the same time,

1084
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 6: I think a lot of people on the internet were like, yo,

1085
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 6: they're doing the hakka like in parliament in New Zealand,

1086
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 6: and most of the discourse sort of ends like that,

1087
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 6: shit's sick me look at it, like looking at like

1088
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 6: a broader historical context than in terms of colonialism and

1089
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 6: stuffing like this is amazing and also a heartbreak, like

1090
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 6: what can you just sort of break that down for

1091
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 6: our audience as well, because I don't want everybody to

1092
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 6: think it was like that's sick. They just did the

1093
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 6: hakka and and everything is okay, because that's for most

1094
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 6: of us tuned in. It sort of came across.

1095
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you asked about this. It is such

1096
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Speaker 2: an incredible moment to be living through, like as New

1097
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: Zealander and Altiro and New Zealand at the moment. So

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00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: a bit of beck story with this. There is a

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00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: guy called David Seymour who was the leader of a

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00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: right wing libertarian party here called Act and he is

1101
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 2: this very weird guy who has just stuck around and

1102
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 2: been funded by very rich people. I don't know if

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00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 2: you guys have talked about the Atlas network before, which

1104
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: is like this super capitalized right wing media and political

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00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: network that exists around the world. You've got a couple,

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00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: you got quite a few, but.

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00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: Basically all libertarians are so well funded, and.

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00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: It's always it's always these like super opaque, invisible like

1109
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: trust situations where the funders are hidden from public view,

1110
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: and these public interest groups just pop up and they've

1111
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: got like incredibly slick advertising and they employ like fifty

1112
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: people even though no one votes for them. In New Zealand,

1113
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: it's like where the fuck you guys getting your money?

1114
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: And a lot of really good journalists have dug around

1115
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 2: and tried to figure that out, and I think the

1116
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: short answer is billionaires from America mainly. So this guy,

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00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 2: David Seymour has proposed essentially to lay down in law

1118
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: some different definitions of the Treaty of White Tonguy. The

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00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 2: Treaty of White Toungy is the legal document that is

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00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: sort of the foundational document of New Zealand that was

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00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: signed in eighteen forty. It is the legal basis for

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00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: white people such as myself to sort of be in

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00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: this country, which had the sovereignty of was looked after

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00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: by the Maldi people, who are the indigenous people here

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00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. So when Europeans started coming here, British

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00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 2: people came here, there was a lot of terrible shit

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00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: that they were doing. They're basically like criminals and causing

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00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: a lot of trouble and they kept coming and so

1129
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: a lot of the Ewe, which Ewi is the name

1130
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: for a tribe like a Maldi tribe. So they kind

1131
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: of came together and they were like, hey, you guys

1132
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: got to sort your shit out, like we will allow

1133
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: you to form a governmental structure in New Zealand because

1134
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 2: you need to sort all of these trouble making British

1135
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: people out who were like drunks and thieves and starting

1136
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: violence and raping our women and all this sort of stuff.

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00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: So there is two versions of this document. There is

1138
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: the English language version, the Treaty of White Tongue, and

1139
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: then there is the Maori language version, which is ted.

1140
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: The definitions, as you could probably guess in the two

1141
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: with the language that are used, are quite different. So

1142
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: we've got a problem here. We've got this one document

1143
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: which is supposed to mean the same thing, but in

1144
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 2: two languages, which actually means quite different things and guarantees

1145
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: different rights and responsibilities to each party. And there has

1146
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: been a long, storied, slow productive sort of march of

1147
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: progress of people over the many decades since we've had

1148
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: like real low points in our national history trying to

1149
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: deal with this issue. But there's from about nineteen seventy,

1150
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: which was when there was a resurgence of Maori language

1151
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. So Maori have their own language, Terreo,

1152
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: and it got beaten out of them at school, like

1153
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 2: they could not use it by dint of violence. There

1154
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 2: was a resurgence of that that started in seventies which

1155
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 2: has started a real revitalization of the culture and the

1156
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 2: whole Maori worldview, which is like being this really beautiful

1157
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: and kind of world leading indigenous movement and a real

1158
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: beacon of hope to other Indigenous people around the world.

1159
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 2: And like most kiwi's really embrace this, Like average kiwis

1160
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 2: really embrace this thing.

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01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 3: They love it.

1162
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 2: Of course it's got its detractors and stuff at the

1163
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 2: at the right fringes in particular, but like it's been

1164
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: a really beautiful, slow moving sort of journey towards how

1165
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: we get this thing together. This politician, David Seymour, libertarian,

1166
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: really well funded by overseas donors, has managed to just

1167
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 2: by sticking around and taking slings and arrows over the years.

1168
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: He's now the Deputy Prime Minister of New Zealand and

1169
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 2: this weird coalition right wing government that we've got, and

1170
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: he has proposed a bill which all the other parties said,

1171
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: we're not going to like endorse this whatsoever, but he's

1172
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 2: got a first reading of it which would try to

1173
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: redefine basically the terms of the treaty. And it has

1174
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: been one of the proudest moments of my New Zealand

1175
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: life to just see every mild you know, group and

1176
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: all of their allies come together and just say not

1177
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 2: on your fucking life, dog. Now we've made way too

1178
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 2: much progress for you to come in here and fuck

1179
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: this shit up. So there was a what's called ahkoy,

1180
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: which is a peaceful walk that went like what is

1181
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: this I think is about eight hundred kilometers from Auckland

1182
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 2: to Wellington and they even started further north. So they

1183
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 2: did this huge march down the country where they gained

1184
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of people along the way to come

1185
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 2: to the to the seed of power at Parliament and

1186
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: go nah. And then you've seen like the hacker that

1187
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 2: was in Parliament, TJ Pernada, who's an All Black. He

1188
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: did a very specific haucker targeted around this issue during

1189
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 2: an All Blacks game recently, and there's just been it's

1190
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 2: like against France, yes, yeah, yeah, that's right, yeah right,

1191
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 2: and it's oh Italy maybe Italy actually Italy match It's

1192
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: I would implore people to kind of, if you've got

1193
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: the time and nation, dig into this issue because I

1194
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: think New Zealand could act as a real beacon for

1195
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: how other countries could try and deal with this. We're

1196
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 2: by no means perfect, obviously, but I think just there

1197
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: has been a genuine, concerned effort in my lifetime for

1198
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 2: us to try and figure out how to live together

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Speaker 2: and sort of enrich the Maori culture and also like

1200
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: help this systemically oppressed people who are represented terribly and

1201
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 2: all the statistics you would expect like health and imprisonment

1202
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: and education and stuff, because we fucking beat the shit

1203
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 2: out of them and took their language away and their

1204
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 2: land away, and all of this stuff is guess what

1205
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 2: these implications of that down the line. And my fear

1206
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: at the moment is that this story is bubbled up

1207
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: on the world stage a bit and it's kind of

1208
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: drawn the attention of all these right wing you know,

1209
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: sort of manosphere podcast types where they just see the

1210
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 2: surface level and I've already seen like just little glimpses

1211
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 2: of the commentary on that, and I'm like, fuck, that's

1212
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 2: such a it feels to me such a dangerous thing

1213
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: that these guys with massive platforms who have zero context

1214
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: for what's actually going on on the ground here just

1215
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: making these flippant comments. There's one there's an interview in particular,

1216
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: which like, I don't know if it'll translate super well

1217
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: if you don't have New Zealand context, but a guy

1218
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: called Jack Tame, who's one of our journalists for TV

1219
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 2: New Zealand here, interviewed David Seymour last week and kind

1220
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 2: of dismantled his argument pretty well. I thought he was like,

1221
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 2: if you've got an agreement between two parties, isn't it

1222
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: completely unjust that one of the parties, which is the government,

1223
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 2: gets to completely redefine the terms of it just edits behest. Yeah,

1224
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: so it's an interesting moment to be living through. And yeah,

1225
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 2: I think David Seymour has underestimated just how much he's

1226
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: like kept the hornets nest here, right, which is kind

1227
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 2: of cool to see.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think, I mean, like the one

1229
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 6: article I read that was like an on from nbcnews

1230
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 6: dot Com was just so like devoid of details. It

1231
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 6: was just kind of like they're talking about negotia redefining

1232
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 6: a contract to the certain support without really kind of

1233
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 6: got drilling into the humanity of it and the history

1234
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 6: of it, because that's what's so important. And I think

1235
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 6: for an American audience who obviously has its own terribly

1236
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 6: sordid history with how the government was interacting with Indigenous people.

1237
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 6: It's like a like unfathomable like that. They're like wow,

1238
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 6: because the way this there was no treaty or anything.

1239
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 6: This was just merely like reforced relocation. And now we're saying, well,

1240
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 6: like you know, you want to be your own coruntry,

1241
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 6: then don't ask us for help and here you go,

1242
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 6: and we'll turn our backs on you and then wonder

1243
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 6: why things are falling apart. And yeah, I'm I'm always

1244
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 6: very heartened when I see how just how different our

1245
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 6: cultures are in that respect. And yeah, I mean, I

1246
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 6: there is something to that that I would hope could

1247
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 6: be like something inspirational. But how are these like chud

1248
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 6: dudes trying to sort of hijack the conversation around.

1249
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: It's while that the manisphere has sided with like a

1250
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: politician who went on Dancing with the Stars and.

1251
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 2: Dare and like not the all black like you know Rugby.

1252
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: It's like any credibility, any claim, like where there America

1253
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: is like having this crisis in media where they're like,

1254
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: how do we attract men like and be like more

1255
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: manly to attract and it's like it has nothing to

1256
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: do it.

1257
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 2: They just want to be fucking racist. They're just like that.

1258
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much of it is just them looking for

1259
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: a fucking excuse to be fucking racist pieces of shit

1260
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: and like it has nothing to do like it. If,

1261
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: if ever there was an opportunity for them to be

1262
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: like okay, which is the cooler, more manosphere thing, I

1263
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: think it would be siding with the Maori, not a

1264
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: hundred billionaire libertarians.

1265
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 2: The thing is that they have the side of this

1266
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: is like, isn't it sort of pot of you know,

1267
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 2: taste offster and fuel man culture to be against the

1268
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 2: man like, well, you are archetypes and the hero supposed

1269
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: to be the guy who's like going against the system

1270
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 2: and defending you know, the downtrodden.

1271
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: That is.

1272
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 2: I don't think there could be a more stark example

1273
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 2: right now in New Zealand. Then the interest that David

1274
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 2: Seymour is representing and the Malden people who are like

1275
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: just standing proud and strong and developing their own systems

1276
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: to enshrine their culture and their language and their rights

1277
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 2: you know that were given to them not that long

1278
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 2: ago in a legal fucking document, which is the whole

1279
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: reason why white people are here in New Zealand, Like,

1280
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 2: surely they are there if you're looking for those kind

1281
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 2: of comic book style superhero archetypes, like you got one

1282
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: steering you in the face. But unfortunately, yeah, you would

1283
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: have to probably let go of a bit of your

1284
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: racism and intense kind of right wing libertarian economic political view,

1285
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 2: which is what a lot of this spoils down to.

1286
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the bit that I find exciting

1287
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 2: is what is good for maldi is good for everyone

1288
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 2: like it is it is It is stewarding the environment.

1289
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 2: It's like a deep connection and protection of the environment

1290
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: in saying like we need to protect the water that

1291
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 2: we fucking drink and the wildlife that lives in the

1292
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 2: environment that we inhabit, and the whole concept of land ownership,

1293
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 2: like I know this is a common story with indigenous

1294
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 2: people around the world, but it's just like, what are

1295
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: you talking about. You don't own land, you fucko. You

1296
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: walk around on it and you kind of you can

1297
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 2: like take resources from it to sustain yourself. But reasonalce

1298
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 2: extraction and stuff is just so antithetical to the multi

1299
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: worldview by and large. And I always I don't want

1300
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 2: to get too out in front of my skis. I'm

1301
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 2: not Maulori, so I don't want to represent the whole

1302
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 2: multi worldview, but it's a cool thing to watch as

1303
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 2: a New Zealander at the moment, the pushback because it

1304
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 2: has been bigger and broader and louder than expected, and

1305
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 2: it is kind of nice to see around the world,

1306
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 2: even though it's during the attention of these right wing

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Speaker 2: podcast dudes. The bulk of things that I'm seeing as well,

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Speaker 2: like on read it and there are going this looks

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Speaker 2: fucking what's going on in your parliament? Dude? That looks cool?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it is interesting to see how

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Speaker 6: I think it makes sense though, the two that like

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Speaker 6: in the manisphere, they only respect sort of like violence

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Speaker 6: and absolute power, so they would eventually suicide with colonizers

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Speaker 6: to be like, well, you know they got colonized, dude,

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Speaker 6: it is.

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Speaker 2: What it is exactly, dude.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think that's what's kind of that's that's

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Speaker 6: something that I think, I mean, I hope to see

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Speaker 6: sort of that sentiment change. But the one thing that

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Speaker 6: it feels like is becoming a theme more and more

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Speaker 6: is like you get these sort of right wingers really

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Speaker 6: get gassed up on their own bullshit and then they're like, oh,

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Speaker 6: not everyone thinks like this and it's actually getting a

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Speaker 6: massive response. Those are the kinds of things, and like

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Speaker 6: we need to keep our eyes on because I think

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Speaker 6: at the moment we're in this country, a lot of

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Speaker 6: people are not sure what to do about anything, and

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Speaker 6: summerre just like do I just retreat to comfort? Do

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Speaker 6: I just keep my head down? And I think a

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Speaker 6: big thing is going to be about making yourself, like

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Speaker 6: making it be known where you stand and what you

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Speaker 6: stand for are in a much deeper level. But that

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Speaker 6: bridge will be crossed fairly short.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: Please like and review the show if you like. The

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Speaker 2: show means the world.

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Speaker 1: De Miles he he needs your validation.

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Speaker 2: Folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to you Monday.

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Speaker 2: By