WEBVTT - Big Woo joins Brewer Territory 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:07.560 Hello, and welcome into Brewer Territory, part of the Foul 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.520 Territory Network. I'm your host Kurt Hogue. Corey Cannable is 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.600 with me as well, and we have a special guest today. Corey, 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:17.920 you are a seventeen NASH League All Star, as I 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.439 often recognize you as the start of this we have 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:24.600 another All Star, your former teammate Big Woo Woody Brandon 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:28.080 Woodruff joining us live from beautiful Sunny. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:28.600 It's sunny. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:29.360 It's sunny down there. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.280 Not Sonny Son just went down. 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:38.000 It looked nice today from beautiful Arizona. How are you doing. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:38.720 How's spring going? 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.479 It's good, man, just another year. This is. 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:49.239 Twelve year now. Gosh, that's going by fast. But just 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:50.720 getting ready for a new season. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:51.360 Man, It's. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:57.320 It's a slow progression, but it's it's good. Just taking 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.320 a day at a time and getting the end of 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.880 spring training and then go right into the season. 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.800 Yep, twelve year man, in ten years in the big 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:07.920 leagues with the Brewers. 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.679 All right, Yeah, this'll be my tenth season. 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.759 Yeap in season with the Brewers. Two All Stars nineteen 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.320 to twenty one. Man, It's it's been one heck of 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:19.520 a ride, man. 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:21.800 Dude, it's uh, and it's going by too fast. That's 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:22.440 the problem. 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.760 Uh. You know, when you're when you're having. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.440 Fun, those days fly by and uh, here we sit 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.240 and this is my yeah, gosh, twelve years dude. It's 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.320 I'm trying to get back to that level. Man, see 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:36.920 if I can get back to that level, and kind 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.080 of I don't. I don't want to say turn the 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:40.880 clock back a little bit, because I don't. I don't 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:42.760 feel I just turned thirty three, but I don't feel 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:46.000 thirty three. Uh, So I'm trying to, I guess, in 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:47.720 a sense, turn it back a little bit and see 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.200 if I can, you know, do it for a full season. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.280 So I'm just, uh, that's that's my main goal this year. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.600 Just be on the field whatever capacity. 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.440 Of course. Man, I mean you've look you throw hard 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.520 through gas. You got a banger of a slider. I mean, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.600 obviously you know. The injuries, it's it's part of it. 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:09.440 And I know it's just kind of sidelined you a 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.760 couple of times, and especially now with your shoulder, but 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.440 I understand you know everything is starting to come back 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:20.799 and you're feeling great, still on still on point to 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:21.880 be good for opening day. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.480 Yeah, so we're we're trending that way. 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.000 It's you know that the lapt strain at the end 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.280 of last year just was kind of a byproduct of 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:32.200 just a long year. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:32.440 Man. 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:36.160 I'd gotten fatigued pretty much at the end, and yeah, 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.919 just kind of lost mechanics and and that was kind 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.519 of just a byproduct of just fatigue and had to 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.360 let that that lat train get held up this this 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.519 winter and before I could really you know, start giving 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.280 some good intent and building up and you know, once 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.680 that was kind of full go, then we set forth 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.800 a good plan with the medical staff and and you know, 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.959 Hooky and the pitching staff, and you know, it's it's 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.839 a it's a good plan. So as of right now, 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.480 we're just kind of on a slow, steady climb and 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.840 progressing through. You know, I don't really know what is 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.040 a normal spring training anymore, you know what I mean. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:19.079 So it's uh normal for me. So it's yeah, it's 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:23.120 it's good. I feel good, and it's just uh checking 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.400 those boxes every week and just getting built up. So 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.839 I mean, you're sorry, Kurt, but you've been there. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.880 Do you do your thing? We were talking before that 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.120 before the show started. I'm like dude, I what he 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:36.680 probably wants, no questions for me. 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:38.480 Oh you're good man. 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.680 We walk we walk in, we walk in there after 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.120 the game, and it's like not the. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:45.120 Do think. 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:51.400 So yeah? No, I mean, look, obviously, you know, like 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.320 you said, twelve years with the Brewers, twelve years in 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.080 professional baseball, You've been there, done that. With spring training, 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.560 you also understand what spring training is, how important it 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.800 is to obviously the younger guys, and yeah obviously for 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.560 you too, you know, to get your innings in, start 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:10.440 getting ready. But you also understand how important it is 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.720 to stay healthy all season. Right, It's a long season. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:16.679 It's tough to stay healthy all season. And we've seen 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:18.800 you know, your numbers on what you do in the 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:23.040 playoffs for the Brewers especially, And I mean I think 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.760 we would all agree that if when Wu is healthy 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.919 in the postseason, man, then the Brewers are dangerous. So 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.479 you know, that's one thing obviously I wanted to ask 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:38.080 you about. You know, your preparation going into it. You 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:42.240 know what what you kind of do when you lock in, 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.080 you know what you're doing to kind of take breaks. Obviously, 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.320 you know with the pitch clock, and you know the 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.080 amount of times you can step off. I know there's 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.440 a lot of factors in it. Now, you know, what 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.200 have you done to kind of prepare yourself from in 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.159 twenty seventeen when you got called up to now? 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.000 Way different man? The game is. 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:01.720 You know, you feel like you hear those older guys 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.960 say the game has changed so much, but I mean 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:09.000 it really, it truly has. And spring training is all 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.320 about now. The more you go through it, the more 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.520 you really understand. Uh, it's all about getting ready. And 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:18.880 when I was younger, like I was, I was really 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.840 coming in and not that I'm not ready, but I 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.520 was coming in trying to earn a job. And you 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.400 see it now, you see it time and time again, 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.279 younger guys who may not may or may kind of 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.560 be on the fringe of the roster, and it's it's 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:35.679 trying to prove themselves. 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.600 And I you know, we all we've been there. 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:42.000 So but at this point in my career, you know, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.240 I've I know, I've I've got a job. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.719 So now my main priority. 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.720 Is is trying to build the building blocks, the foundation 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:51.560 in spring training to be able to last for the 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.479 whole season. And it's it's tough, it doesn't matter matter 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.320 who you are and how many times you go through it, 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.840 because every year is different. Your body change is you've 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.200 got to learn it on the fly essentially, and you 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.520 know you've got a good routine, but that changes over time, 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.159 and mine has changed a ton since shoulder surgery. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:15.760 And you know, it's you really when you look back 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:17.160 on it, you really wouldn't trade it, you know what 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:17.480 I mean. 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.040 It's it's part of the game, it's part of the experience, 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:25.560 it's part of your growth in baseball. But you know, honestly, 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.360 I learned a long time ago, like preparation is the 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.640 biggest key in being ready for a major League baseball game. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.320 It's I mean, you're facing the best hitters in the 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.760 world and it's not easy, but being prepared is one 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.280 thing you can control. And that's what I try to 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.880 fry myself on is just making sure I checked my 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:51.279 boxes in between starts of being prepared, looking at the hitters, 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.680 looking at you know, the scouting reports and and video 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:59.160 and making sure them get my body ready. And but yeah, 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.440 as far as getting locked in, man, I try to 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:05.880 stay as loose as possible up into about two and 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.479 a half hours for the game. I'll go in and 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.480 get me a good little nap. And when I when I, 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.080 when I come out of the nap, it's kind of like, 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.760 all right, it's time to get into a routine and 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.840 it's time to go and then and that's that's changed 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:18.680 a lot over the years. 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:18.880 Man. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.120 I used to come in when I was younger, and 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:25.480 I would be mentally just worn down, absolutely worn down 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:28.880 after a game and uh, you know, just leading up 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:30.760 the whole day, trying to wait on the whole day, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.360 and and uh so I've got better at that, and 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.960 that's you know, kids have helped that process a lot, 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.440 a lot more and well, yeah, just uh, the more 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.040 and more you stay in this game, you you realize 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.040 who you are as a player and and you know 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.440 what it takes to get ready. 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You got thirty five thousand, So that 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.520 was that was That was pretty pretty special to watch 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.960 you guys last year. Now, you said something there about 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:02.920 you know you've got a job now, and that much 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:04.679 is very true. You're on a pitching staff where a 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.480 lot of guys, you know, maybe some of them feel like. 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:08.840 They they've got a job. 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:12.640 But really no one really has that big league experience. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.720 But so you've got the job. What I'm curious about 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.199 is is heading going back to the offseason when you 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:19.960 got when you got that job, when you sign this 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:21.880 deal with the Brewers, Right, so there's that little period 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.040 of time where you've got the qualifying offer extended and 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.760 you can kind of feel out maybe what your market is. 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.120 What does that look like for you? How do you 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.600 weigh this versus like, you know, we see starting pitchers 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.920 get multi year deals pretty regularly, like there's there's a 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.280 premium for what you guys can do. And then also 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.360 on top of that two part question, do you like, 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.200 do you feel any pressure and any added pressure compared 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.640 to just, you know, the standard pressure of being a 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.440 big leaguer with the price tag that comes with a 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:53.800 contract like that in Milwaukee. 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.160 I'll answer that question first because I've already been asked 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:00.040 that a few times and the answer is no, I 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:04.880 don't feel any more pressure. And it's it's a thing 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.320 that it just comes along. It's the it's it's part 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.040 of the game. It's part of the territory. Like if 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.480 you go out and you do well, that's that's what's 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.920 supposed to happen. And so I don't feel any extra pressure. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.800 And you know, it's at the end of the day, 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.280 it's baseball. I'm going to prepare and do the same 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:26.280 things I've done for you know, twelve years, even though 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.600 it's changed over time. I'm still gonna prepare myself to 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.280 go out and pitch and and and and you know, 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:36.640 play the game. So that part of it never changes. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.959 So there's comfort in that. There's comfort in this. You're 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.240 just going to play baseball, man, and uh, you're gonna 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.320 do the same things you do, you know. And but 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:51.319 to answer your you know first question, that's uh. Once 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.120 once the qualifying offer was extended to me, you know, 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:57.760 we have twelve days there to make a decision. And 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.480 to be quite honest, after about fourt as, I had 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.319 a pretty good understanding. 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:04.560 Of what was going to happen. 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.920 But you know, myself and my agent, we did our 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:10.760 due diligence and be able to see kind of what 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.720 the market was. And and it's so early in the 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.920 off season that teams are I wouldn't say they're not 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.120 prepared for for signing free agents, but. 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:21.480 It's the it's not moving. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.680 There's not much action unless you're just uh, you know, 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.439 the lab strain probably hampered me a little bit, but 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.840 then there's little caveats with with the the qualifying offer. 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:35.880 You know, if a team signed you, they lose draft picks, 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.600 so that turns a lot of teams off and you 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.480 kind of see what you know, Zach Gallan ended up 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.640 signing and going back to Arizona, Michael Keane going back 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.400 to the Padres. So they a couple of guys ended up, 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.480 you know that didn't take it signing back with the 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.120 same team you know they were on. So just a 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.400 strange year in terms of that. I don't know if 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.920 it was a record for guys accepting the qualifying offer, 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.880 but uh, I looked at it in terms of once 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.920 I kind of knew what was going on, There's there's 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.839 no place in the big leagues I would rather spend 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:14.360 to pitch one year and go prove myself again than 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.560 in Milwaukee. I mean, it's it's the place I've known, 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:18.880 it's a place I've grown up. It's all I know. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:24.160 So when it came to that decision, that was pretty 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.800 pretty easy, and it was just too early in the 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.160 off season. You know, you had your you had your 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:31.960 guys who were the home run guys who were gonna, 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:36.400 you know, get the bigger contracts. But my situation was 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:40.200 a little different and you know, the Brewers showed confidence 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.880 in me, and you know, and I was. I was 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.400 very thankful for that. And there's no other place I 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.040 would rather pitch, you know, for a year than this uniform. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:53.680 So it was an easy decision in that in that context, I. 0:13:53.679 --> 0:14:00.920 Would agree as a Brewer fan. Yeah, you know, speaking 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.839 of numbers, man, I wanted to ask you something also 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:09.240 about uh, your pitching numbers. Obviously I didn't. I wasn't, 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.240 you know, too big into all the metrics. I didn't 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.560 understand as much you know it was it was pulled 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.480 out right. Yeah, let me grip it, let me tell 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.000 it as hard as I can. You know, I know 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.800 Kurt's real big into the numbers. So what I wanted 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.440 to ask you, Obviously, you know you are with a 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.840 pitching coach who is huge into those numbers too. You've 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.320 had Hookie in Double A in sixteen and now you 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.480 got Hookie again. You've gone through a lot of different 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.600 pitching coaches. So and obviously I know you you know 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.320 your your pitching style has changed a lot as well, 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.360 you know, with different pitches in your arsenal, So you know, 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:52.560 how much are you looking at your metrics? I guess 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.960 in between starts, you know, before the season starts. How 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:57.560 big of a deal is it for you? 0:14:58.040 --> 0:14:58.280 Man? 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.200 That's that has changed for me so much over my career. 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.360 I'll never forget the first day that they brought the 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:08.600 track man into the bullpen. That was back in twenty nineteen, 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:13.000 first full year starting in the big leagues, and they 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.880 bring the track man into the bullpen, and it kind 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.080 of just it was odd. And so then it became like, 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.080 we're trying to throw to some numbers here, We're trying 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:22.480 to get a certain tilt, We're trying to get a 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:26.680 certain this and that. And I really had a hard time, 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.640 you know, dealing with that because I would throw a 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.160 pitch that would have the right spin and tilt to it, 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:37.080 but it was over the batter's head. So you know, 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.800 it's like I just mad. Yeah, I understood who I 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:45.080 was and as a pitcher. So then it became from 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.960 that point forward and bullpens like I need to be 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.080 able to at the end of the day and need 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.000 to be able to throw to a good spot. He'd 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.680 be able to change speeds and out up, down, and 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.920 but when, like you said, in between starts, I will 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.440 I know who I am it's very objective, like here's 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:03.320 here's who you are as a picture, here's how your 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.120 stuff plays, here's how it comes out this and that. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:07.920 So I do pay attention to that. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.800 Then it became like, all right, how do I maximize 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:12.640 the four seam fastball? 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:14.760 How do I maximize the two seam fastball? 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.080 And that foundation was laid in twenty eighteen for me, 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:23.440 and that's how you know, that evolved for me. But 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.200 at the end of the day, I try to be 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:26.760 a pitcher. 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:32.040 I try to pitch like I've I've got like I'm 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:33.760 throwing eighty eight and I've got to get. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:38.800 Big leaguers out. And that's how I tried to approach it. 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.120 But knowing who I was as a pitcher and the 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.920 objective measurements of you know, my pitches, and I just 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.200 try to maximize them, and then once you get in 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.400 the game, all that goes out the window. Then it 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:55.000 just becomes I really try to pride myself on having 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:56.800 a good feel for the game and good feel for 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:01.680 what the hitters are trying to do, reading swings, and 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.800 I get this all the time, and Kurt, you guys 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:05.560 asked this all the time, why do you throw a 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.840 certain pitch more in one game than you do another game. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.399 It's pretty simple. I throw what the hitter's telling me 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.480 to throw, and there's no rhyme or reason. And you know, 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:15.680 at the end of the day, I know what I'm 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:17.920 good at. But if there's a pitch that the guys 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:19.680 are not handling, I'm want to go to it more. 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.040 And so that's all evolved. And then you know, have 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:28.040 after coming back from the surgery. You know, metrically, stuff 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:32.240 has been a little different, a little different arm swing. Obviously, 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.400 velosity was down a little bit. So I had to 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:39.120 figure out ways to get these guys out and how 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:40.280 my stuff was gonna play. 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.160 And truth truthfully, I didn't figure any of that. 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.520 Out until I was going through rehab and I was 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.840 getting in these rehab starts and and then I you know, 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.520 I showed up in Miami on that first start back 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:55.400 and we get in the in the you know, pregame 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.119 scouting report meeting, and I straight up just told everybody. 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:00.679 I was like, look, I don't know how this is 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:01.080 gonna go. 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.639 I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna go give it my best, 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.600 But I was like, we'll figure it out on the fly, 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.360 and Thank goodness, I was able to kind of throw 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:10.760 the ball where I wanted to that day and it 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:15.480 worked out. So it's just we've got all these numbers, man, 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.280 and you can really use them to your advantage. 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:20.320 And and and. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:25.080 Hooky knows when and how to present that to me 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.480 because he knows I'm not. Uh, I don't lean on 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:31.800 the numbers to tell me all the time. But if 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.080 there's some stuff that's glaring going on, he will bring up, like, hey, 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.040 you know, we need to pay attention to this or 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.520 and it may be something as simple as just I'm 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.440 getting too far over on the rubber and my release 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.800 side is getting a little, you know, out of hand 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.600 or whatever. It is, so kind of simple stuff we 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.680 and and that's kind of how our relationship has evolved. 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:55.960 And I mean he took me from Double eight this slow, 0:18:56.200 --> 0:19:00.479 methodical delivery to speed me up and be able to 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:05.200 use my fourth seamer up top, and it kind of 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.760 learning that process. And then he was the pitching coordinator 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:11.200 after that. So I dealt with him a lot in 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.800 Triple A before I got caught up, and then obviously 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.800 in nineteen I've been with him since then, so he's 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.240 seen me throw about every pitch I've thrown in professional 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.640 baseball almost so we used the eye test a lot 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.399 and that has a lot to do with it. So 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.920 but yeah, numbers are a huge part of the game. 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:31.560 I do like him. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.440 I don't dismiss him at all, but it's not the 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.280 end all be all for me as a pitcher. 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.320 Did the numbers tell you the sweeper was good before 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:40.399 you started throwing the sweeper? 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.040 Well, I gave up a homer on a sweeper and 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:43.359 I didn't throw it for about a month. 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:47.119 So then the eye test said, I heard that it 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:48.400 got me a strikeout. 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.960 But then after that I hung a few and they 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:53.600