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Speaker 1: the Black and Gold s Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Drive. I'm Dale Ally here with Matt Williamson and Matt.

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Speaker 1: We're closing in on April. That means we're now, but

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Speaker 1: we're actually officially a week into I guess free agents.

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Speaker 1: He now because the legal tampering period started a week

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Speaker 1: ago today. Um. The Steelers of course made five signings

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Speaker 1: Uh right, I've never been that that that active and

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Speaker 1: been getting a lot of questions on on d K

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Sports doing my live cues and stuff today, um

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Speaker 1: as I do you typically do on Mondays. And all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, now Steeler fans are like, oh, we

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Speaker 1: guy and this guy, and what's going on? Like calm down, folks,

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Speaker 1: like get it. You're excited about the team going up

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Speaker 1: and making moves here, but realistically, this is about the

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Speaker 1: time when when the teams, who particularly the Steelers, start

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Speaker 1: sifting through that that first wave and then finding the bargains.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know, this is usually whenever they're you know,

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Speaker 1: starting to get active. Not holy cow, how could they

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Speaker 1: have a wide receiver hole on April? They don't have

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Speaker 1: a strong safety, my safety. What are they do? And

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Speaker 1: you know, before it was like, oh this is kind

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Speaker 1: know once in a while, you know, they get getting

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Speaker 1: they want. But there's still so many free agents out

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Speaker 1: there that are gonna be NFL players, And of course

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Speaker 1: there's some quarterback carouseling still to be done around the league,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we Sawante Adams trade and things like that.

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Speaker 1: So there's still a lot of big things happening. But

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Speaker 1: it's pretty soon it's gonna be bargain time for the shoppers,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and that's gonna work out really well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably that's about right. And there were more than eight

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Speaker 1: taraut they need to go out and sign Terrell Edmonds. Now,

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Speaker 1: like you can wait in a way, and it's getting

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Speaker 1: better and better for you to wait. Yeah. That that

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Speaker 1: safety market in particular has been kind of slow. It's

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Speaker 1: I was a little shocked the bargains teams including the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: want to bring back Edmunds or whomever, someone similar, same

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Speaker 1: not you know, you're not in. Norwood has done some stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a uh firmer, stronger McLeod, you know, he's a he's

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Speaker 1: hours later, the Steelers had lost McLeod, Juju Smith, Schuster,

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Speaker 1: but on the position, I'm putting one on wide receiver. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I might take Jamar Chase and he goes top five

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Speaker 1: still think the theory behind it is dead on that

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